So who wants to hear some BS?????

[CamaroGirlie]

So for all of you who don't know, last month I was planning on buying a 2008 Pontiac G8 GT. Well when I went to Coleman Buick Pontiac GMC in Lawrence, they gave me the price and it had a $2,000 mark up becuase it was a "rare" car. He also told me, that even with $3,000 down I would be paying $850 per month. So yea for obvious reason I went down the road to Dick Greenfiel Dodge and leased a 2008 Dodge Charger RT at $34,000. Which was the same price as the G8 before the $2,000 mark up. I put $5,000 down on the charger and only pay mid 6's per month for it. So the douchebag from coleman called me and told me that they would drop the markup and get me the payment I wanted......all this 3 weeks after I bought the charger. All this AFTER he swore up and down he couldn't do anything for me.......go figure.
---Christine

[Mike]

thats a big lease payment.......roll a lot into it?

[alamantia]

There will be a G8 GXP next year i would have waited for that anyway. Charger looks better anyway.

[ChevyQueen]

Someone at my work just told me that yesterday. She went to look at one and the dealer was adding like $5000 to the car because it is one of the first 888 cars of the line. Needless to say, she left the dealership without the car too. I told her to wait until the GXP comes out.

[CamaroGirlie]

thats a big lease payment.......roll a lot into it?


Yea I traded in my 02 gtp and 02 z28.....I owed 11 on the z and they gave me 10 and I owed 12 on the gtp and they gave me 4 but at least now after a 3 year lease ill be free and clear

[Iroc-z86]

damn, i wish you were looking to get rid of that 02 gtp a few months ago, i would have taken it off your hands...my gp at the time had a bad trans and didnt want to fix it, so i screwed over a dealer and traded it in on my jeep. somehow i still got raped...ugh.

[foff667]

Yeah GM dealers did the same thing with the GTO which im sure you all remember. The dealers are fing themselves & GM over.

[CamaroGirlie]

As of right now I'm happy with my decision....I absolutely refused to pay that $2000 mark up especially when blackbirdws6 told me they didn't have one on the g8 he bought. The charger is a decent car and since I bought the rt its pretty quick. Plus It gets better gas mileage then the z did.

[DaSkinnyGuy]

This is what happens when you do some homework. I have learned that delaware state dealerships have better deals. So if this makes you feel any better heres what a dealership has to offer. Depending on where you live it could be a 3 hour drive to save a few grand.

http://www.unionparkgmc.com/VehicleDetails/1005182644

[79CamaroDiva]

Plus It gets better gas mileage then the z did.

really? whats your mpg?

[98tadriver]

really? whats your mpg?

im intrigued as well. with me driving my 98 t/a M6 with 411 gears id get 18/24

[79CamaroDiva]

im intrigued as well. with me driving my 98 t/a M6 with 411 gears id get 18/24

yeah, i've gotten up to 28-29 cruising in 6th gear at 80 mph all the way back from carlisle

[CamaroGirlie]

really? whats your mpg?


Its 15 city 23 highway but I notice on average I get 20 I usually can go 300 miles on one tank when in the z I could only go 250 - 275. Plus with the charger I can put midgrade when I had to put premium in the z. Which I don't thinbk is too bad for a 5.7l engine with 340 horses lol

[98tadriver]

does that have the displacement on demand feature, where it shuts down a couple cylinders?

i also noticed the charger has a 19 gallon tank, as opposed the Z's 16.8 gallons, you would see a lil more range with the charger, since the tank is bigger.

[SteveR]

you paid sticker price?

[CamaroGirlie]

does that have the displacement on demand feature, where it shuts down a couple cylinders?

i also noticed the charger has a 19 gallon tank, as opposed the Z's 16.8 gallons, you would see a lil more range with the charger, since the tank is bigger.

Yea it goes from 8 to 4 cylinders. Yea and the tank is bigger.....I can tell by the $58 a week I put in for gas. Lol

[CamaroGirlie]

you paid sticker price?


The sticker price was $34 and some change.....I'm paying $28652 cuz I leased it and I was under in my trade ins by $9k

[Demonicbird00]

So for all of you who don't know, last month I was planning on buying a 2008 Pontiac G8 GT. Well when I went to Coleman Buick Pontiac GMC in Lawrence, they gave me the price and it had a $2,000 mark up becuase it was a "rare" car. He also told me, that even with $3,000 down I would be paying $850 per month. So yea for obvious reason I went down the road to Dick Greenfiel Dodge and leased a 2008 Dodge Charger RT at $34,000. Which was the same price as the G8 before the $2,000 mark up. I put $5,000 down on the charger and only pay mid 6's per month for it. So the douchebag from coleman called me and told me that they would drop the markup and get me the payment I wanted......all this 3 weeks after I bought the charger. All this AFTER he swore up and down he couldn't do anything for me.......go figure.
---Christine

wow that sux to hear. down in woodbury they are 28k and 30 w/ th markup. be glad its only 2k mark up and not close to 10k like the gto was.

on a side note, why lease a car? mid 6s ugh

-brandon

[CamaroGirlie]

wow that sux to hear. down in woodbury they are 28k and 30 w/ th markup. be glad its only 2k mark up and not close to 10k like the gto was.

on a side note, why lease a car? mid 6s ugh

-brandon

I have owned 7 cars in the last 8 years.....I don't keep cars long enough to actually buy them.....THAT'S why I lease lol

[Tru2Chevy]

I have owned 7 cars in the last 8 years.....I don't keep cars long enough to actually buy them.....THAT'S why I lease lol

It's still cheaper to buy and resell than to lease most of the time....

- Justin

[jims69camaro]

all that really matter is that you are happy with your car.

[procamaroz28]

new month so dealership needs to push some #s and programs change, they do that

[CamaroGirlie]

It's still cheaper to buy and resell than to lease most of the time....

- Justin

I tried selling the camaro for a year and no one was interested.....lot easier to just trade em in.....I won't keep a car long enough to finish the finance term to pay it off and sell it

[Tru2Chevy]

I tried selling the camaro for a year and no one was interested.....lot easier to just trade em in.....I won't keep a car long enough to finish the finance term to pay it off and sell it

You never posted it in the Classifieds here..... :-P

BTW - I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here....glad you are happy with your car and all.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

G8 will suffer like the Solstice and GTO did before it. Pontiac dealers are dying for a good product, and they will rape and pillage to get what they can.

600 for a lease?

[Tru2Chevy]

G8 will suffer like the Solstice and GTO did before it. Pontiac dealers are dying for a good product, and they will rape and pillage to get what they can.

600 for a lease?

She owed a combined $23k on her Camaro and GTP, and they only gave her $14k in trade for both, so the other $9k got rolled into the lease payment.

- Justin

[79CamaroDiva]

Losing $9k on thhose cars sounds like a raping and a half to me. OUCH! :shock:

[BigAls87Z28]

I guess...shesh 600. My brother had lower payments with a 5 year loan on a 45k Avalanch with just his Explorer that he traded in for under 10k.


And only 275miles to a tank? 300 miles to the tank on the Charger? 19 gallons and 300 miles to a tank = 15.789 mpg. If she is getting a combined 20mpg, which is awesome for that car, a 19 gallons should get you 380miles.


9k on top of the 34k is a 43k car!! Shesh!! I would have just toughed it out, sold the Camaro for as much as I could, payed it off, and work on paying off the GP.

[maroman88]

buying used cars in great condition FTW!~

[Frosty]

Losing $9k on thhose cars sounds like a raping and a half to me. OUCH! :shock:

:werd:

[DaSkinnyGuy]

Losing $9k on thhose cars sounds like a raping and a half to me. OUCH! :shock:

Someone did not do their homework. I give this thread a D+, lost points on buying a mopar and lost points on losing 9k.I gave simpathy in your grade due to the fact you have to pay $600 a month on a mopar. Many choices we make end up kicking our selfs right where it counts, in the wallet.

[79CamaroDiva]

Someone did not do their homework. I give this thread a D+, lost points on buying a mopar and lost points on losing 9k.I gave simpathy in your grade due to the fact you have to pay $600 a month on a mopar. Many choices we make end up kicking our selfs right where it counts, in the wallet.

:twak: we don't bash mopars here....

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes we do.

Challenger = Tank
Avenger = ugly turd
Charger....eh it was cool till Pontiac brought the G8.

[Blackbirdws6]

As I told you at the trucks, the dealer I bought mine from was attempting to charge a mark-up on the car but after breaking them down...and myself for 2 hrs, they finally met my number I would pay. I simply told them I don't want to feel like an idiot paying for this car. I like it and the one you have coming in is my first choice....however my second choice is at another dealer so unless you meet me where I wanna be, you are not selling the car to me today.

It sucks they have to play games with this car because even I know after the hype is gone and the new wears off, they will be throwing some money on the hoods. The car should continue to sell well but no way over sticker.

Sucks to hear you were so upside down on your trades, but in 3 years you will be clear....unless you try and trade the charger in for something else.

-Brian

[CamaroGirlie]

As I told you at the trucks, the dealer I bought mine from was attempting to charge a mark-up on the car but after breaking them down...and myself for 2 hrs, they finally met my number I would pay. I simply told them I don't want to feel like an idiot paying for this car. I like it and the one you have coming in is my first choice....however my second choice is at another dealer so unless you meet me where I wanna be, you are not selling the car to me today.

It sucks they have to play games with this car because even I know after the hype is gone and the new wears off, they will be throwing some money on the hoods. The car should continue to sell well but no way over sticker.

Sucks to hear you were so upside down on your trades, but in 3 years you will be clear....unless you try and trade the charger in for something else.

-Brian

Yea....car salesmen suck I wish I was an obnoxious prick cuz then that would be a great job I was paying $725 for my z and gtp so I'm happy to pay less for the charger.....I'm planning on keeping in till january of 2011 cuz u can get out of their leases 3 months early and then ill prolly be getting a new challenger I'm happy with my decision and I think its the best car I've had out of the 7 I've owned.

[SteveR]

Losing $9k on thhose cars sounds like a raping and a half to me. OUCH! :shock:

Yea, dealerships now compete with each other on how low they can buy cars from people. I forget the software name, but Fette has it. Basically you enter the possible trade into it and it shows what every other dealer paid nationwide on that trade and you are ranked on how low you can get it. Then the dealership puts in on the lot and marks it up 10k.

[jims69camaro]

Then the dealership puts in on the lot and marks it up 10k.

remember, market value is what people are willing to pay for something. if you ain't willing to pay it, then move on.

really, i don't see the reason to brow-beat this girl on her decision. she made out, and she is happy with her car. how can you possibly fault that? the key, of course, is, that you learn from your mistakes (ie the Z and GT, and how you got to where you were with them). not everyone can play the game that the dealerships play successfully. they play the game everyday and you buy a car, what, every three to ten years? they are much better at it than most people, and unless you have great stamina they will eventually wear you down. even so, they often T/O an educated customer so that "fresh eyes" are constantly banging the customer's head against the desk. it's not like you bring a tag-team partner to the dealer to help you out when your stamina gets low...

the only thing i can see that sucks is their faith in their vehicle. from what i can gather between the lines here, they are saying their car will only be worth 12k after 3 years. that's a big hit of depreciation.

[jims69camaro]

btw, if you turn the car in early, you lose. then they don't have to abide by what they said the car was going to be worth, and the mileage and everything else about the car could end up costing you big time.

just so you know, books have been written about the dealership experience and what to look for and all of that. one whole chapter was devoted to leases because they can be so complex and involved (in one book i read). unless you really know what you are doing, you can't read a lease agreement and know exactly how much the car is costing you for the time that you have the use of it. never turn a car in early is all the advice i can give you at this point. you want to stay out of the hole you just dug yourself out of, right? keep moving in a positive direction and all of that. :mrgreen:

[CamaroGirlie]

Chrysler has a program when u lease a car that u can trade it in 3 months early for another chrysler/dodge/isuzu car and u won't be penalized.....its on all the paper work that I received from the dealership. Plus I have either leased or financed 7 cars in the last year from various car dealerships so I'm pretty up to date with the games they play lol

[DaSkinnyGuy]

:twak: we don't bash mopars here....

believe me I am not walking over the mopars, just I perfer the G8 over the Charger. But!!! I perfer the new challenger over the new camaro. Now theres a twist. 8-)

[Slo86Bird]

matt, yer gay, shut up.

[PolarBear]

I saw the markups at Coleman and said a big F U to them. I went on Pontiac.com that night and searched other dealerships in NJ and started calling around and found that Greenbrook Pontiac, about an hour north of Coleman, and paid sticker for my Solstice. I didnt mind paying "full" price compared to a BS dealer markup.
I do think it is ironic that they charge this markup when their slogan is "We will never lose a sale because of price" :rofl:

[79CamaroDiva]

I saw the markups at Coleman and said a big F U to them. I went on Pontiac.com that night and searched other dealerships in NJ and started calling around and found that Greenbrook Pontiac, about an hour north of Coleman, and paid sticker for my Solstice. I didnt mind paying "full" price compared to a BS dealer markup.
I do think it is ironic that they charge this markup when their slogan is "We will never lose a sale because of price" :rofl:

the salesman that you paid sticker to made a KILLING in commission. There's always a lot of money rolled into that sticker price that can be talked out..

[BigAls87Z28]

Eh...not really. The Solstice isnt a high profit car, in fact its on the lower end. I was talking to a Saturn salesperson and they said average Sky, which retails more then the Solstice on average, makes the dealer about 400-600 bucks, with the commission to the salesperson about 150.
Id rather pay sticker then getting my ahole ripped for an additional 5k mark up.

[BonzoHansen]

For an uber-hot car paying sticker is not unreasonable - to me that is the extra you pay for wanting it now. For instance, if I wanted a new Camaro so bad I had to get one in the 1st few weeks it is out, I'd expect to pay sticker - but not over. 6 months later my story may change.

[PolarBear]

Id rather pay sticker then getting my ahole ripped for an additional 5k mark up.

Exactly, that is what Colemen has on the GXP Solstice...

[CamaroGirlie]

Exactly, that is what Colemen has on the GXP Solstice...

Coleman honestly sucks

[jims69camaro]

they all suck, to varying degrees. next time you are in a dealership, seriously take a look around. all of that nice stuff cost money and guess where the money came from... and remember, that just as many people you see on the sales floor, there are as many working "behind closed doors" that get a salary, too. it's not easy making enough money to keep the doors open, but it sure helps when someone pays "sticker" or more...

oh, and take a look at your "sticker" and tell me if the dealer added anything to the original Monroney that all new cars are supposed to have "by law". i'd bet dollars to doughnuts the dealer added things like "pin stripe, vehicle VIN etching, undercoat, special paint clearcoat treatment" and things like that. now, tell me one manufacturer that needs "special paint clearcoat treatment" (or something like it) applied to their factory fresh paint jobs... btw, there are other ways for the dealer to jack up the "sticker" price of the car, but there isn't enough room here to list them all.

while you may think you are "aware of their games", just know they there are more ways to "shear a sheep" than there are dealerships out there. each of them has their own ways of "paying for the lights". be happy with your car and the fact that you won't have to deal with the dealer for three whole years. that's enough in itself to be content with. :mrgreen: