cop kills driver

[baddest434]

another reason to STOP when you get pulled over. i got a summer home on a lake in this town:shock:

http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080627/NEWS03/806270413/0/NEWS

[79CamaroDiva]

:shock: that's right down the road from me. its a shame, but ill hold off making any judgements until further details are revealed

[GP99GT]

twas a mustang crashed into the pool too

[Knipps]

:nod: the guy was home from Texas for his little brother's graduation.. supposedly there were several witnesses but for the time it happened I think it's a little odd.

[baddest434]

:shock: that's right down the road from me. its a shame, but ill hold off making any judgements until further details are revealed


same here but..................the pools open:rofl:

[wretched73]

Just seems a little extreme.... And i wish we could know more details

[r0nin89]

We entrust the police the the authority to make the judgment as to whether or not they are endangered by someones behavior. 94% of the time things move along fine and they carry out their job. In an instance like this you cannot blame an officer for feeling threatened by someone refusing to cooperate. A car is a weapon.

I do agree more detail is needed though.

[BonzoHansen]

same here but..................the pools open:rofl:

Always look on the bright side of life....

[r0nin89]

Wow so that kid turned out to be, get this, one of my dads co-workers, sons best friends.

God...

[baddest434]

I do agree more detail is needed though.

Wow so that kid turned out to be, get this, one of my dads co-workers, sons best friends.

God...

well there is a little more detail:shock:

why people run from cops is beyond me. it never ends up good.

[r0nin89]

well there is a little more detail:shock:

why people run from cops is beyond me. it never ends up good.

Yeah he had a history or DWI and evading police.

[baddest434]

Yeah he had a history or DWI and evading police.

see and it did'nt end up good

[procamaroz28]

idiot why run from cop?? and retarded ass cop shoots a young guy 5 times!?!?!?!... gotta read some more details before i get into this

[maroman88]

idiot why run from cop?? and retarded ass cop shoots a young guy 5 times!?!?!?!... gotta read some more details before i get into this

try being in his shoes, he was dragged by thte car like 150ft i think it said, your guna try n do watever it takes to stop that car / save ur ass, and try being in a situation like that and only firing once, wat if that one shot missed? guess what your still goin for a ride. unload that clip and u got a better chance of stopping the suspect, the fact he hit him all 5 times is great i think..... but wata i know

[Knipps]

Always look on the bright side of life....

This came on the PA after the Maiden concert. :lol:
/hijack.

[BurninrubberGT]

trust me, it was 0% the officers fault, when the full story is out you'll understand

[r0nin89]

trust me, it was 0% the officers fault, when the full story is out you'll understand

Yeah I believe. That you cant blame the officer for firing more than 1 shot as said above. They are human. And being that they are they are entitled to panic when put in said danger.

I mean what you want the cop to go "Hmmm I'm being dragged off by a car. Wonder if I carefully shoot out the front tire then wing a shot into the oil pan so the car looses oil pressure. Should seize up before we hit that tree."

[98tadriver]

try being in his shoes, he was dragged by thte car like 150ft i think it said, your guna try n do watever it takes to stop that car / save ur ass, and try being in a situation like that and only firing once, wat if that one shot missed? guess what your still goin for a ride. unload that clip and u got a better chance of stopping the suspect, the fact he hit him all 5 times is great i think..... but wata i know


yeah he hit him all 5x. which leads me to believe that he was somewhere by the driverside window with a perfectly clear shot. unless he pulled a die hard and shot thru the door a bunch of times but i dont see that happening. and how did the officer get dragged by the car? was there a bunch of hooks hanging off of the car to snag him?

the cop was probabaly hanging onto the door when the suspect decided to flee. there was really no need for the cop to try and be a hero, because im sure the cop already had his license plate in his computer and he couldve easily radio'd in when the suspect chose to elude/resist arrest..

now a family is without a loved one.

and what if there were people in the swimming pool?

[r0nin89]

yeah he hit him all 5x. which leads me to believe that he was somewhere by the driverside window with a perfectly clear shot. unless he pulled a die hard and shot thru the door a bunch of times but i dont see that happening. and how did the officer get dragged by the car? was there a bunch of hooks hanging off of the car to snag him?

the cop was probabaly hanging onto the door when the suspect decided to flee. there was really no need for the cop to try and be a hero, because im sure the cop already had his license plate in his computer and he couldve easily radio'd in when the suspect chose to elude/resist arrest..

now a family is without a loved one.

and what if there were people in the swimming pool?

All the what ifs lead back to why the **** are you running from the police?!

[maroman88]

All the what ifs lead back to why the **** are you running from the police?!

:nod:

[79T/A]

yeah he hit him all 5x. which leads me to believe that he was somewhere by the driverside window with a perfectly clear shot. unless he pulled a die hard and shot thru the door a bunch of times but i dont see that happening. and how did the officer get dragged by the car? was there a bunch of hooks hanging off of the car to snag him?

the cop was probabaly hanging onto the door when the suspect decided to flee. there was really no need for the cop to try and be a hero, because im sure the cop already had his license plate in his computer and he couldve easily radio'd in when the suspect chose to elude/resist arrest..

now a family is without a loved one.

and what if there were people in the swimming pool?

As this is a performance car forum, I expect a little animosity when it comes to the police, who often give tickets to performance car enthusiasts. So I take a lot of what is said here about law enforcement with a grain of salt. But I can't stomach this one.

All of the facts have yet to surface. All we know is a cop was somehow dragged, shot the guy five times and killed him.

What we DON'T know is what happened when the officer walked up to that car. We don't know if there was a gun or knife in plain view, we don't know if the guy tried to assault the officer, we just plain don't know.

If we're going to make assumptions, here's one: For whatever reason, the guy struggles with the officer while he's still in the car, and during the struggle, decides to drive off. The officer is now in a fight or flight situation: If he lets go, he could be seriously injured or killed by the vehicle. Also, the guy, who has now MADE HIMSELF A THREAT TO THE LIVES OF OTHERS, is now getting away and can cause the death of someone else. The officer draws his weapon (If he doesn't have it out already) and fires until the threat is neutralized.

What if someone had been in the pool? Well, we can play this game all day and all night. What if the guy had driven away from the cops and smashed into the pool anyway? What if he'd run over someone who was putting out their trash or walking their dog?

Of course the media has already released a smiling picture of the deceased. Anytime an officer is forced to shoot someone, you always see the happy smiling picture, sometimes the high school graduation photo or the altar boy photo. Then, a week or two later, you find out the facts, like the guy's lengthy criminal history.

The cop wasn't trying to be a hero; at that point, he was trying to SURVIVE. Shootings don't happen like on the television. The hero doesn't calmly draw his weapon, aim carefully, and shoot the guy in the leg or kill the bad guy with one carefully placed shot. The cop shoots until the threat is gone. Period.

If you want to pass judgment, please wait until ALL of the facts come out. If the shoot was wrong, he'll be charged criminally and face trial. If the shoot was RIGHT, guess what? The cop's life will NEVER be the same again. Undoubtedly, the family of the deceased will launch a civil suit against the department and the cop, which drags on for years. The cop will be dragged through the wringer by internal affairs. And when all the legal smoke clears, life will STILL not be normal for him. He'll still have to live with the fact that he took a life. He'll spend time every day trying to figure out if there was something, ANYTHING he could've done differently.

If we want to play a guessing game, fine. I just wish we could reserve judgment until we know all the facts. Until then, statements like those made above are nothing more than armchair quarterbacking. Have you ever loaded a firearm and strapped it to your side, pinned on a badge, kissed your family goodbye and then left your house with the thought that you may never see them again in the back of your head?

Likewise, I have never been stopped and thought, "I have to run." I don't know his reasons for doing what he did, and I don't know what, if anything, was in his car or what his condition was that made him run. Therefore, I'm not going to just assume the cop was right and that the guy was a scumbag. We just don't know yet.

Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.

[nj96z28]

As this is a performance car forum, I expect a little animosity when it comes to the police, who often give tickets to performance car enthusiasts. So I take a lot of what is said here about law enforcement with a grain of salt. But I can't stomach this one.

All of the facts have yet to surface. All we know is a cop was somehow dragged, shot the guy five times and killed him.

What we DON'T know is what happened when the officer walked up to that car. We don't know if there was a gun or knife in plain view, we don't know if the guy tried to assault the officer, we just plain don't know.

If we're going to make assumptions, here's one: For whatever reason, the guy struggles with the officer while he's still in the car, and during the struggle, decides to drive off. The officer is now in a fight or flight situation: If he lets go, he could be seriously injured or killed by the vehicle. Also, the guy, who has now MADE HIMSELF A THREAT TO THE LIVES OF OTHERS, is now getting away and can cause the death of someone else. The officer draws his weapon (If he doesn't have it out already) and fires until the threat is neutralized.

What if someone had been in the pool? Well, we can play this game all day and all night. What if the guy had driven away from the cops and smashed into the pool anyway? What if he'd run over someone who was putting out their trash or walking their dog?

Of course the media has already released a smiling picture of the deceased. Anytime an officer is forced to shoot someone, you always see the happy smiling picture, sometimes the high school graduation photo or the altar boy photo. Then, a week or two later, you find out the facts, like the guy's lengthy criminal history.

The cop wasn't trying to be a hero; at that point, he was trying to SURVIVE. Shootings don't happen like on the television. The hero doesn't calmly draw his weapon, aim carefully, and shoot the guy in the leg or kill the bad guy with one carefully placed shot. The cop shoots until the threat is gone. Period.

If you want to pass judgment, please wait until ALL of the facts come out. If the shoot was wrong, he'll be charged criminally and face trial. If the shoot was RIGHT, guess what? The cop's life will NEVER be the same again. Undoubtedly, the family of the deceased will launch a civil suit against the department and the cop, which drags on for years. The cop will be dragged through the wringer by internal affairs. And when all the legal smoke clears, life will STILL not be normal for him. He'll still have to live with the fact that he took a life. He'll spend time every day trying to figure out if there was something, ANYTHING he could've done differently.

If we want to play a guessing game, fine. I just wish we could reserve judgment until we know all the facts. Until then, statements like those made above are nothing more than armchair quarterbacking. Have you ever loaded a firearm and strapped it to your side, pinned on a badge, kissed your family goodbye and then left your house with the thought that you may never see them again in the back of your head?

Likewise, I have never been stopped and thought, "I have to run." I don't know his reasons for doing what he did, and I don't know what, if anything, was in his car or what his condition was that made him run. Therefore, I'm not going to just assume the cop was right and that the guy was a scumbag. We just don't know yet.

Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.

Most of my friends are town cops around my area, I tell them constantly their cocky bastards (something about getting your shield makes you god , apparently). They admit this. I respect Police of all kinds and hate when i get caught doing dumb ****. Nevertheless, I have to admit that he didnt pump 51 rounds into the kid so at least he showed some restraint, the situation is unfortunate and from what I read in the bergen record the kid was the protagonist.

[jims69camaro]

maybe more will come out later. until then, i'm not getting into it.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/Brother_of_21-year-old_killed_by_cop.html

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212154825.shtml

http://www.mycentraljersey.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080628/STATE/80628009

[NastyEllEssWon]

we dont have the details so all this is speculations but...


if your being dragged by a car...a mustang let alone i don see how you can get off 5 clean shots into the car from the rear end of the car. if he was hanging onto the door he had a clean shot...but couldve just let go.

this doesnt seem right...cause if im fearing for my life im emptying all the bullets i have...seems he stopped when he knew the job was done.

he shot to kill


just my take from the situation

[nj96z28]

as a gun toting angryman (legal carry or not) I can safely say its pretty goddam hard to fire off 5 shots into a vehicle and hit and kill someone .I know gums and I know them real well. especially when ur supposedly being dragged by said vehicle, well see what the stormtroopers video has to say about the whole thing, most cops seem to forget their being recorded constantly.

[Featherburner]

he shot to kill
That's the whole idea.

[Squirrel]

shouldnt have ran and not gotten away, so he failed, failage = death, cop FTW
/thread

[jin1481]

it is very silly to run from cops they have two things that travel a lot faster then any car can, Bullets and a Radio

[IROCZBeast]

People tend to forget that a car can kill you just as easily as a gun can. If this guy pulled out a gun and aimed it at the officer then no one would have a problem with the officer shooting but if this guy starts driving his car at the officer and the officer shoots then everyone asks why.

Like I said a car and kill you just as easily and as quickly as a gun can. More than likely the officer was justified.