hmmm challenger

[maroman88]

dodge of paramus has a black challenger with the gray stripes and i hafta say the front of that thing looks pretty mean in person. i stopped there tonite but it was inside so i couldnt get a good look...

[SteveR]

nice, I'll have to go take a look

[r0nin89]

I saw one on 78 and I almost crashed.

[Tsar]

Inb4Camaronutswingers

[WildBillyT]

Inb4Camaronutswingers

:rofl::rofl:

[79T/A]

Franklin Sussex Automall has an orange one with black stripes parked right at their entrance outside on Route 23 in Wantage. I haven't stopped yet, but it does look pretty good. I still prefer the new 'maro, though.

[LS1Hawk]

Every time I pass by a Dodge dealership I slow down to see if there are any. Haven't spotted one yet but I'm going to be up in Paramus in a bit. Hopefully they have it out.

[87GTA]

i'll tell you what i go down south and out west alot and man like 2 weeks age i went out to iowa and i saw 3 the 1st on was in indianapolis.IN and it was sliver with black strips and the 2nd one i saw was on a car carrier in Illinois and the 3rd one i saw was in a small town in iowa call Ft.Madison at a arby's the other 2 were the orange

[sweetbmxrider]

i've seen a couple. they are something. my buddy has a 72 challenger. wanna get a side by side pic

[band77one]

theres a body shop in front of my work on rt 130 up in yardville/trenton. and the owner Ronny has a ford gt, 2 lambo;s and the other day picked one uip, black with the carbon fiber stripes.....man these cars are GORGEOUS up close and personal. absolutely awesome looking. they really arent as big as many magazine articles made them out to be, they are actually small looking when u get up close to them. even came with a light touch of metal flake in the paint.

[12secondv6]

Inb4Camaronutswingers

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

Inb4Camaronutswingers

Inb4go****yourself.

Challenger is a big 2 ton turd.

[Jam]

did you guys see the pictures of some Challenger with 24Inch rims. ... It's sad how people can kill it sooo soon

[bad64chevelle]

Inb4go****yourself.

Challenger is a big 2 ton turd.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Broken ****ing record.

[Ian]

http://l.yimg.com/k/omg/us/img/28/2b/6547_9694322352.jpg?y=526&x=595&q=75&n=1&sig=CiJ5dO8IQBNcL5KdBBywBg--

[BigAls87Z28]

The govenator looks like he traded in his hybrid hummer for a Challenger.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Dover Dodge has a black one....Me likey

[Frosty]

Gary Barbara has an orange one up here, it's sexy.

[ar0ck]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/doctormikescott/233bba5d.jpg

I like the Road & Track Vanishing Point recreation. The foose wheels add a nice touch.

[WildBillyT]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/doctormikescott/233bba5d.jpg

I like the Road & Track Vanishing Point recreation. The foose wheels add a nice touch.

I guess you and I have different tastes, Alex. :D I think that looks like crap. Totally slab sided, wheels are terrible.

Edit: Actually, it doesn't look like crap, it looks like somebody was trying to carve a car out of a bar of Ivory soap and then said **** it halfway through.

[12secondv6]

I saw an orange one on rt 17 today - it was going the opposite direction from me.... still looked incredible!

[Ian]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/doctormikescott/233bba5d.jpg

I like the Road & Track Vanishing Point recreation. The foose wheels add a nice touch.

those wheels are garbage! I haven't seen wheels that bad looking in a long time.

[SteveR]

Dover Dodge has a black one....Me likey

Looks like I'll be stopping by there in the morning :D

[Savage_Messiah]

i've seen a couple. they are something. my buddy has a 72 challenger. wanna get a side by side pic

All you gotta do is put a big mirror next to his car and take a picture, would be the same result.



They put ZERO creativity into this car.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Looks like I'll be stopping by there in the morning :D

Come visit me then. I'm like .3 miles away...I leave for work in like 5 minutes. :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

I guess you and I have different tastes, Alex. :D I think that looks like crap. Totally slab sided, wheels are terrible.

Edit: Actually, it doesn't look like crap, it looks like somebody was trying to carve a car out of a bar of Ivory soap and then said **** it halfway through.

While the wheels you can change, the slab-sidedness is something this car is stuck with.
All the LX cars are slab-sided.

http://www.chrysler.com.au/300c/img/300c_sedan_home.jpg


http://www.psp-themes.net/data/media/12/Dodge%20Charger%20Theme.jpg




http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Dodge/Odds/dodge_magnum_small.jpg



To see what Un-Slab sidedness looks like

http://www.newcarpark.com/blog/images2/2010-Chevrolet-Camaro.jpg



Nut Hug on that.

[Tru2Chevy]

.....am I gonna have to ban all Challenger threads?

:mutters to self "Kids these days":

- Justin

[79CamaroDiva]

we stopped by and saw dover dodges challenger. Holy Crap is all i have to say. the car is amazing. I have a feeling steve will be ordering one (maybe two? :flower:) by the end of the year.

[SteveR]

yea, that car was nothing but hotness. It looks ten times better in person than in pics. A test drive is required now :D

[SteveR]

Come visit me then. I'm like .3 miles away...I leave for work in like 5 minutes. :lol:

thats a little too early for me :lol: where do you work?

[Mark B]

Another black challenger spotted at Cherry Hill Dodge on Rt 70

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

thats a little too early for me :lol: where do you work?

Fania roofing on E. Blackwell in Dover...

[79CamaroDiva]

Fania roofing on E. Blackwell in Dover...

Dover Dodge moved their showroom while they're doing construction. now you're probably a whole 3 minutes away.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Yeah I know. They keep the Challenger in front of the old one though, on Salem Street so that I can stare at it while I fill up at the gas station across the street. How thoughtful of them :nod:

[Savage_Messiah]

Some guy snapped this pic locally down in the South (liek florida/georgia/etc south):

http://www.fullthrottlev6.com/upload/files/57/challenger%252520006.jpg

You guys can NOT tell me this car is worth $80k to you.

[SteveR]

Guy in Florida snapped this pic locally:

http://www.fullthrottlev6.com/upload/files/57/challenger%252520006.jpg

You guys can NOT tell me this car is worth $80k to you.

you're right, its not, MSRP is 41k. If some retard buys it for double the sticker price, then hes pretty damn dumb.

[Savage_Messiah]

I'm really curious how much the dealers you guys see them at are marking the cars up, especially with Dodge's financial situation. Research experiment anyone?

[V]

wow 13/18 mpg ratings??? what crap is that?

i figured with displacement on demand or some stuff like that it would be better, my friends charger R/T gets like 26 highway.

[79CamaroDiva]

wow 13/18 mpg ratings??? what crap is that?

i figured with displacement on demand or some stuff like that it would be better, my friends charger R/T gets like 26 highway.

only the srt-8 is out right now. i dont think it has displacement on demand.

[SteveR]

I'm really curious how much the dealers you guys see them at are marking the cars up, especially with Dodge's financial situation. Research experiment anyone?

Its not like this is the first time this has happened. With every new model that comes out by any manufacturer, the dealers look to make as much as possible on them. Same thing happened when the C6 came out, the new Mustang, the Ford GT, all the hybrids, etc. If you think thats a high mark up, wait til the ZR-1 comes out. I bet dealers will be asking 200k.

[BigAls87Z28]

wow 13/18 mpg ratings??? what crap is that?

i figured with displacement on demand or some stuff like that it would be better, my friends charger R/T gets like 26 highway.

only the srt-8 is out right now. i dont think it has displacement on demand.

Bingo. The SRT8's have the 6.1 V8 making 425 with no displacement on demand.
The new RT's will get the 2nd gen Hemi's with the VVT system and better head making 370hp and 408ftlbs of torque. The RT seems like the better buy for now. But the SE and RT wont be available for another month or so.

[SteveR]

Bingo. The SRT8's have the 6.1 V8 making 425 with no displacement on demand.
The new RT's will get the 2nd gen Hemi's with the VVT system and better head making 370hp and 408ftlbs of torque. The RT seems like the better buy for now. But the SE and RT wont be available for another month or so.

The R/T definitely looks like the better deal. A few thousand less, better mileage, and cool retro R/T badges. You can mod an R/T and have it make more than 425hp for less than what it would cost to order an SRT8, and probably still get better gas mileage.

[BigAls87Z28]

Problem is that camshaft. That twin-camshaft design for the VVT set up is gunna pose problems for cam shaft replacement for performance.

[Savage_Messiah]

The R/T definitely looks like the better deal. A few thousand less, better mileage, and cool retro R/T badges. You can mod an R/T and have it make more than 425hp for less than what it would cost to order an SRT8, and probably still get better gas mileage.

And you can have a 3rd pedal if you so desire

[V]

i figured as much, alright then, but still...dam... lol

but regardless, i dunno the car just doesnt do it for me, dont get me wrong it is very very nice. I started as a Mopar guy, 1st car a 1973 dodge coronet, but my 88 GTA pulled me away. And that pic of the 2 door charger...sick, id rock that anyday, lol, if it was free. still buying the new camaro though.

[NastyEllEssWon]

the new camaro fails in comparison to the challenger.
the only reason dodge didnt put any 'creativity' into it
is because its exactly what it should be. the challenger
never evolved because it was a one generation car. the
camaro had 4 generations to evolve into the '5th gen' if
you can even call it that. the challenger has done exactly
what i have been wishing chevy to do....bring out a retro-rod
that recalls their glory days. i want a first gen. dont want to
pay 30k for a car that rides like a school bus. if they took
a first gen body and updated it like they did the challenger it
would own. but they didnt...so the new 'camaro' will end up in
the graveyard with the firebird.

the fbody died in 02. the '5th gen' should be called the next-gen.

fyi....the new camaro is going to be just as heavy as the challenger:wink:

[BigAls87Z28]

the new camaro fails in comparison to the challenger.
the only reason dodge didnt put any 'creativity' into it
is because its exactly what it should be. the challenger
never evolved because it was a one generation car. the
camaro had 4 generations to evolve into the '5th gen' if
you can even call it that. the challenger has done exactly
what i have been wishing chevy to do....bring out a retro-rod
that recalls their glory days. i want a first gen. dont want to
pay 30k for a car that rides like a school bus. if they took
a first gen body and updated it like they did the challenger it
would own. but they didnt...so the new 'camaro' will end up in
the graveyard with the firebird.

the fbody died in 02. the '5th gen' should be called the next-gen.

fyi....the new camaro is going to be just as heavy as the challenger:wink:


First off, Camaro will be lighter then the Challenger in every way.
2nd, Camaro never "died". It went on hiatus. This would make it teh 5th generation.

As for making it look like a First gen...uh, yeah, thats exactly what it looks like. A modern first gen.
Handle like a bus? So I assume you have driven it? Or perhaps maybe you should take a look at reviews of teh G8 GT vs the Charger, and the handling of the G8 easily outdoes the Charger in every way.
Dont wana spend 30k on a car that handles like a school bus...I suggest NOT getting the Challenger.

[NastyEllEssWon]

if you re-read my post you would notice this is what was meant...ill clarify

the point of the challenger is for people who want a challenger but cant
justify spending the same amount for an old car, but rather a newer car
that looks like the old one. its all about creature comforts.

i meant the fact that the new camaros arent actually fbodies

the fbody died in 02. the '5th gen' should be called the next-gen. :mrgreen:

thats the reason i dont consider the new camaro a 5th gen but rather
the next-gen. its the first generation of a whole new camaro. much like
the way a new beetle isnt a generation of the old beetle in context.

the new camaro is going to weigh in close to 4k. its by no means a lightweight contender.

as for the looks....i said i would rather have a first gen updated with new
technology.

i want a first gen. dont want to
pay 30k for a car that rides like a school bus. if they took
a first gen body and updated it like they did the challenger it
would own.


the 4th generation was the pinnacle of the fbody.

the new camaro has first gen similarities but can also
say the rear 1/4 looks very corvette to me. the new
challenger can stand side by side with the old one and
almost look identical. thats what owns about it. i can
have the old school mopar look without sacrificing driveability
and safety.

first gens handle like a school bus. i didnt say the 5th gens.

i want a first gen. dont want to
pay 30k for a car that rides like a school bus


you my friend have misread my post. just clarifying for ya :nod:

[BigAls87Z28]

Well, you are misreading my post. The Challenger will most deffinatly handle like a school bus compared to Camaro.
While Camaro will not be a light weight fighter, it sure as hell wont be as heavy as the Challenger.
So the new Camaro isnt an Fbody because...its not called Fbody?
Is the third/4th gen not an fbody becaues its not the same platform?
Is the 4th gen not an fbody because it was built in Canada?
Is it 5th gen not an fbody because it has IRS? Cause there is no Firebird?

I dont get it, Camaro looks like a Camaro from every angle. Front, side, rear, 3/4, top and bottom.

Here is the "Clown Car" Camaro clay model design prototype next to VP of Design Ed Welburn's 69 Camaro

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2006/2006-Chevrolet-Camaro-Concept-Creation-1969-1600x1200.jpg

[BigAls87Z28]

The side of teh Camaro concept we see is the failed design, the other half of the car, the part you cant see, is what the concept turned out to be.

[bad64chevelle]

the one on the right looks better.

[V]

i stopped by yesterday at a dealer to look at one, i cant say i was impressed. first off, as i pulled up to it, i realized it is kinda short, and short like boxy short bus short. then i look at the seats, they are like 1st class airplane seats, and boxy where they block off almost the rest of the interior, almost too big and chiseled for my taste. not to then mention the near non-existant rear leg room... wow it shouldnt even be a 4 seater. to top that off, the interior is pretty plain but ok.

now keep in mind, i never bashed this car, i thought it was always cool just i liked the camaro more. and yet after seeing a srt8 in person im definately going camaro, unless that comes out as bad, lol.

[Savage_Messiah]

not to then mention the near non-existant rear leg room... wow it shouldnt even be a 4 seater. to top that off, the interior is pretty plain but ok.


They manage to make it worse than a 4th gen?

[V]

They manage to make it worse than a 4th gen?



with the seats at what appeared be be normal dsiatnce for your average driver, i saw like 8" of leg room

[Fleetwiz]

One of the other boards I frequent in Cali they had "market Adjustment Price" of 20K
I'll go find the link

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126103

about 2/3 way down

[Savage_Messiah]

I dug thru the link so nobody else would have to:


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/dwright406/7-11%20show/43127481.jpg

[Fleetwiz]

Thanks... aint no way it's worth 62K+

[V]

the one i looked at was sticker at 41,xxx

[maroman88]

they had 2 at wiskey last night with the windows stickers in em with a 30k market adjustment.... over 70k! for a 41k$ car that in a month will sell for 40k new

[JL8Jeff]

Ho Humm, these Challengers are everywhere already. They planned it out to swamp the market with the release. No way I would even pay $41K for one of those cars, but it's a nice retro car. Too bad it's built by Dodge! They're played out already! :mrgreen:

-

[SteveR]

I dug thru the link so nobody else would have to:


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/dwright406/7-11%20show/43127481.jpg

there really should be a law against dealerships pulling that crap.

[sweetbmxrider]

maybe if the jackasses with money didn't buy them, the new car world would be a better place

[SteveR]

maybe if the jackasses with money didn't buy them, the new car world would be a better place

yea, I agree, but good luck with that :lol: From the Ford GT going for double sticker, to the Shelby GT500s going for 20 over, to the Challenger, tho the ZR-1, and most certainly, the new Camaro. With all the hype and the fact the prototype was out before the dinosaurs were extinct, I bet they'll mark the crap up out of it. But dummies will still buy them marked up.

[Jam]

yea, I agree, but good luck with that :lol: From the Ford GT going for double sticker, to the Shelby GT500s going for 20 over, to the Challenger, tho the ZR-1, and most certainly, the new Camaro. With all the hype and the fact the prototype was out before the dinosaurs were extinct, I bet they'll mark the crap up out of it. But dummies will still buy them marked up.

sooooooooo true

[sweetbmxrider]

:hail:$

[WildBillyT]

yea, I agree, but good luck with that :lol: From the Ford GT going for double sticker, to the Shelby GT500s going for 20 over, to the Challenger, tho the ZR-1, and most certainly, the new Camaro. With all the hype and the fact the prototype was out before the dinosaurs were extinct, I bet they'll mark the crap up out of it. But dummies will still buy them marked up.

It's nothing new. When the C5 Vette came out dealers were charging $50 for the brochure. Again it's simple supply and demand dictating prices.

[79CamaroDiva]

anybody other than me and steve see the commercial during the race sunday night for the new drag race package car? :drool:mmmmmm


Mopar Reveals Dodge Challenger Drag Race Package Cars

Mopar® is bringing the iconic Dodge Challenger muscle car to National Hot Road Association (NHRA) drag-racing competition. Mopar revealed two Dodge Challenger Drag Race Package Cars at the 29th Annual Mopar Mile-High Nationals today before thrilled fans at Bandimere Speedway in Morrison, Colo. Mopar Mile-High Nationals is the longest-running NHRA sponsorship.

“Big Daddy” Don Garlits and Judy “Miss Mighty Mopar” Lilly were behind the wheels for their inaugural track run. Garlits drove the car featuring the Stone White paint scheme. Lilly was behind the wheel of the “Mopar Liquid Metal” prototype. NHRA named Garlits the #1 driver of the Top 50 drivers from its first 50 years. His victories and accomplishments are virtually unmatched in drag-racing history. “Miss Mighty Mopar” is one of the female pioneers in drag racing. Spending 12 years on the NHRA circuit, Lilly is the only female driver to win two NHRA national events in one year.

Mopar built the first two Challenger Drag Race Package Cars for development and testing for its new Challenger Package Car program. Based on the Challenger SRT8®, the prototypes were finished in Stock Eliminator configuration. They ran successfully in June 2008 as proof-of-concept and for NHRA certification. Mopar dropped approximately 1,000 lbs. off the production Challenger SRT8 by eliminating major production components and systems. To accentuate the weight savings, they also feature added composite, polycarbonate and lightweight components designed for drag racing that will be part of the new Package Car program.

The engine was repositioned to improve driveline angle and weight distribution. The 116-inch wheelbase was shortened by ½ inch. They also feature a front cradle with bolt-in crossmember and solid engine mounts.

“Today is a great day for Mopar, Dodge, SRT, drag racers and motorsports enthusiasts everywhere. Not made for the streets, our drag-race-only Challengers will be running soon in NHRA competition—the best grassroots racing series in the world,” said Sunil Lahoti, Mopar Marketing and Brand Manager, Chrysler LLC. “And who better to drive our new Challenger Package Cars on their inaugural track run than ‘Big Daddy’ and ‘Miss Mighty Mopar’—the greatest drag racer of all time and a female pioneer of the sport.”

New Dodge Challenger Drag Race Package Car Program by Mopar

The first drag-race, factory-prepped package cars built in 40 years, the new Challenger Drag Race Package Car by Mopar builds on the heritage of the limited-edition 1968 HEMI®-powered Package Cars. Those ‘68 Dodge Darts and Plymouth Barracudas solidified the Mopar brand as a quarter-mile force.

Mopar will build a minimum of 100 Challenger Drag Race Package Cars to meet NHRA requirements. Based on the production Dodge Challenger SRT8, Mopar’s modern factory-prepped Challenger Drag Race Package Car will begin as a special Body-in-White (BIW) from Chrysler’s Brampton, Ontario, Canada, assembly plant. The body sealer, sound deadener and undercoat will be eliminated. To reduce vehicle weight, major production component and systems will also be eliminated including: windshield wiper assembly, complete HVAC system, all airbag components, rear seats, power steering system, exhaust system and underbody heat shields, cross-car and side impact door beams, rear bumper beam and rear deck lid spoiler.

The drag racer has three engine options—6.1-liter or 5.7-liter HEMI or 5.9-liter Magnum® Wedge—as well as manual or automatic transmission.

A build book/owner’s manual will be provided to document the modifications made to the Challenger SRT8 as well as provide recommendations to finish the Package Car for Stock Eliminator competition. To accentuate weight savings, there are unique drag-race components in the Package Car program including: composite lift-off hood with functional scoop, Viper-style front seats, polycarbonate door windows, lightweight cooling module with electric fan, manual rack and pinion steering, special cable-operated deck lid release, special lightweight front brake assembly and special cable-operated throttle linkage and pedal assembly.

The Challenger Drag Race Package Car will be eligible to run in three Eliminator categories—Comp, Super Stock and Stock—and potentially 40 classes.

Depending upon the configuration selected, the U.S. Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for the Challenger Drag Race Package Car program will range from the low to mid $30s. Each car will carry an identification plate with sequential serial number.

The Challenger Drag Race Package Car will be available for order in late August to early September. A toll-free number will be designated for ordering. Details will be posted on www.mopar.com.
Now in its fifth decade, NHRA is the world’s largest motorsports sanctioning body with 80,000 members, 140 member tracks, more than 35,000 licensed competitors and more than 5,000 member-track events. NHRA is second only to NASCAR in terms of fan attendance.

[Jam]

wow approximately 1000lbs eliminated.......:drool:

[Ian]

I stopped at a near by dodge dealership today while I was test driving a customers car :lol: the mark up was 15K putting the price at about 57K. sorry for the quality, its just a cell phone pic.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Ian_F/0715081215.jpg

[sweetbmxrider]

cool hood

[JL8Jeff]

Hmmmm, are these race package cars going to be street legal and pass all safety stuff? Or are they "for off-road use only" like the old stuff?

-

[SteveR]

Hmmmm, are these race package cars going to be street legal and pass all safety stuff? Or are they "for off-road use only" like the old stuff?

-

race only, no interior, no airbags, plastic windows etc.

Both cars at the race on Sunday went 11.2x :)

[SteveR]

anybody other than me and steve see the commercial during the race sunday night for the new drag race package car? :drool:mmmmmm

what!!!! It'll only be in the 30k range?! Oh yeaaaaaaa

[79CamaroDiva]

what!!!! It'll only be in the 30k range?! Oh yeaaaaaaa

alright, so you can buy the race car for you, and the street car for me.... deal?

[SteveR]

alright, so you can buy the race car for you, and the street car for me.... deal?

Or you buy me the street car and the race car :D

[Camaro.Joe.LT1]

I saw two orange challangers at the whiskey cafe last saturday.
One was owned by a young kid,who was about 20, the other by and old guy like me.
lol.