nascar cutting down toyota HP

[baddest434]

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/bg/07/23/engine.rule.amendment/index.html

[nj85z28]

about time

[SupermanX24]

Toyota reacts to Nationwide Series engine ruling
"We're extremely disappointed in NASCAR's decision. In our opinion, there is no technical justification to penalize the Toyota engine utilized in the Nationwide Series."

wth, Nascar is supposed to be a field of cars with an "equal" advantage. The engines need to be around the same ballpark of hp. I think someone's upset because the field is actually fair now.

[WildBillyT]

NO ****ING ****. YOU DON'T ****ING SAY.

Gee, I wonder why Kyle Busch hasn't had competition this year. Toyota sucked a fat one last year and now all the sudden they are untouchable. Overcorrection, anybody?

[SupermanX24]

well according to the article it's only the nationwide cars

[WildBillyT]

well according to the article it's only the nationwide cars

I understand this. :mrgreen: I think it will show up in the Sprint Cup soon as well.

[Tru2Chevy]

I still say NASCAR would be way better if they stuck with what their name implies - "stock" cars.

Slap a 4" spoiler on the front and back of a stock body, toss a cage in it, and only allow whatever the top motor the manufacturer sticks in 'em on the assembly line. Then we'll see who's really better :D

- Justin

[deadtrend1]

I agree with you 100% justin

[SteveR]

I still say NASCAR would be way better if they stuck with what their name implies - "stock" cars.

Slap a 4" spoiler on the front and back of a stock body, toss a cage in it, and only allow whatever the top motor the manufacturer sticks in 'em on the assembly line. Then we'll see who's really better :D

- Justin

hell yea! nascar is teh uber ghey now. nascar is even worse than indy in terms of its ultra conformative rules. all the cars are the same, and now the motors have to all be the same.

[edpontiac91]

I believe one report that said leave Toyota alone and let Chevy, Ford and Dodge develop newer engines. The SB2 Chevy engine has been talked about forever. Toyota found an honest way to put more power into their motors. I hate that a foreign car company takes a Good Ole Boy sport and sticks it up our ass in only one year. Loosen up the restrictions on the big 3 and get the cars back up to speed. Seeing them run around 200 mph would up the excitement zone instead of having them run speeds they were running back in the late 60's. The winged Dodge Daytona's were running 200+ in 1970.

[BTK79]

I still say NASCAR would be way better if they stuck with what their name implies - "stock" cars.

Slap a 4" spoiler on the front and back of a stock body, toss a cage in it, and only allow whatever the top motor the manufacturer sticks in 'em on the assembly line. Then we'll see who's really better :D

- Justin

I must agree , the cars now couldn't be further from stock.

[SteveR]

I believe one report that said leave Toyota alone and let Chevy, Ford and Dodge develop newer engines. The SB2 Chevy engine has been talked about forever. Toyota found an honest way to put more power into their motors. I hate that a foreign car company takes a Good Ole Boy sport and sticks it up our ass in only one year. Loosen up the restrictions on the big 3 and get the cars back up to speed. Seeing them run around 200 mph would up the excitement zone instead of having them run speeds they were running back in the late 60's. The winged Dodge Daytona's were running 200+ in 1970.

Didnt Toyota during the off season find more power by switching to Chevy motors? Thats just one rumor I heard.

[baddest434]

Didnt Toyota during the off season find more power by switching to Chevy motors? Thats just one rumor I heard.

wheres BigAl he would have the answer.

[BonzoHansen]

wheres BigAl he would have the answer.

He only knows OE. Come on!


NASCAR is FTL.

[baddest434]

NASCAR is FTL.

come on cars going around and around in circles for hours doesn't amuse you :lol:

i'm not addicted to it but i'll watch it and i have interest in it. but i kinda understand the ftl it's not for everyone.

[redbanditZ28]

So when is Nissan and Honda throwing their hats into the Nascar ring?
I still can't believe Toyota is involved. I wonder how southern rebels feel about that, with their American pride and all.

Does Jeff Burton, Terry Labonte, Chad Little, and Greg Biffle still drive?

[Mike]

juff burton yes, terry labonte sometimes, chad little retired in 2002, and biffle yes

[redbanditZ28]

Hate to hijack the thread, but does Bobby Hamilton or Mark Martin still drive?

Also, how is the field spreadout for every race in terms of how many people drive Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Pontiac, and Toyota?

I mean what seems to be the majority in the sport?

[baddest434]

Hate to hijack the thread, but does Bobby Hamilton or Mark Martin still drive?

Also, how is the field spreadout for every race in terms of how many people drive Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Pontiac, and Toyota?

I mean what seems to be the majority in the sport?

mark martin yes not sure about hamilton.

from the last race out of 43 cars, 14 chevys..8 fords..10 toyotas..11 dodges

[Featherburner]

mark martin yes not sure about hamilton.
Bobby Hamilton died last year from cancer.

[baddest434]

ouch i didn't know that thx.

[redbanditZ28]

That sucks about Hamilton. He was a good legendary racer. I always remember him in the STP car more than anything.

I miss the days when Jeff Burton drove the 99 exide, Darrell ? drove the quality care, Rudd drove the Tide, Terry Labonte drove the Kellogs number 5, Michael Waltrip drove the Citgo car, and Earnhardt Sr. was still alive. The good ol days before Stewart, Harvick, and Erhardt Jr came along.

I can't believe so many sponsors went with Toyotas. I am glad to see that there are at least more Chevys than Toyotas. I never thought I'd see the day where they outnumber Dodge and Ford though. Are the Toyotas aerodynamically efficient more than the others? Or do they just get better fuel economy? lol.

I remember when they initially switched from the Luminas to the Monte Carlos, they had wedge problems with the aerodynamics on the Chevys.

The sponsors should boycott Toyotas. Nothing against them, but they just don't belong in Nascar. Maybe one day we'll see Chevrolet or Dodge enter Formula one. lol.

[WildBillyT]

The sponsors should boycott Toyotas. Nothing against them, but they just don't belong in Nascar. Maybe one day we'll see Chevrolet or Dodge enter Formula one. lol.

It's all about the $$$. They would drive Kias if they got paid enough. The word whores comes to mind.

[redbanditZ28]

What a bunch of sell outs. lol. The legends must be rolling over in their graves.

I mean I know its about money, but the sport has even changed a good amount since the late 1990s by the looks of it.

So you guys think Nissan, Hyundai, or Honda/Acura will join the party anytime soon? lol.

[WildBillyT]

What a bunch of sell outs. lol. The legends must be rolling over in their graves.

I mean I know its about money, but the sport has even changed a good amount since the late 1990s by the looks of it.

So you guys think Nissan, Hyundai, or Honda/Acura will join the party anytime soon? lol.

Eh, it's like a lot of things. Something gets popular and then it collectively gets ****ed into the ground in search of $.

Examples:
1.) NASCAR
2.) Chopper Motorcycles
3.) MTV
4.) Comic book movies
5.) Retro movies (70s tv series)
6.) Football
7.) Baseball (to a lesser extent)
8.) The works of Will Ferrell and Adam Sandler
9.) Pro Touring '69 Camaros (*sigh*)

and so on.

[redbanditZ28]

spot on, spot on. So true. Just coincidental that I stopped watching nascar the year Earnhardt Sr. died.

[SteveR]

Rudd drove the Tide

The paint job on that car was really cool. I had a model of it when I was a kid and always wanted to buy a car and paint it like that lol

[redbanditZ28]

I always thought the same thing. I remember when Ricky Rudd did this insanely long race at Watkins Glenn, one of those tracks where there are turns and hair pins and I am not sure if it was that he didn't make a pit stop for a long time or something, but I remember he won that race years ago and I think he almost died from dehydration or heat exhaustion in the process.

Good memories. When I just visited nascar.com, I only recognize a hand full of the guys now. I am surprised to see such a mix of drivers in terms of ethnicity and nationality.

Happy to see that Jeff Burton is number 3 in the points standing. Who's number 1 though?

[Featherburner]

Eh, it's like a lot of things. Something gets popular and then it collectively gets ****ed into the ground in search of $.

Examples:
1.) NASCAR
2.) Chopper Motorcycles
3.) MTV
4.) Comic book movies
5.) Retro movies (70s tv series)
6.) Football
7.) Baseball (to a lesser extent)
8.) The works of Will Ferrell and Adam Sandler
9.) Pro Touring '69 Camaros (*sigh*)

and so on.
Hey Bill, how is that Pro Touring 69 Camaro coming? :mrgreen:

[SteveR]

2.) Chopper Motorcycles


yea they really over played that to death. OCC, WCC, souther choppers or whatever, chopper build off etc. I still like watching American Choppers though :)

[baddest434]

Happy to see that Jeff Burton is number 3 in the points standing. Who's number 1 though?

1 Kyle Busch
2 Dale Earnhardt Jr.
3 Jeff Burton
4 Carl Edwards
5 Jimmie Johnson
6 Jeff Gordon
7 Greg Biffle
8 Matt Kenseth
9 Kevin Harvick
10 Tony Stewart

[NastyEllEssWon]

stock cars have a double meaning. originally stock cars were built to travel cross the bible belt with loads of illegal alcohol. they were light small cars that were heavily modified to outrun the law enforcement. everything was was pretty much modified except for the rolling 'stock'.

stock cars have nothing to do with the level of mods but to do with the fact that theyre modified production cars. well not anymore, but they used to be

[SupermanX24]

I always thought the same thing. I remember when Ricky Rudd did this insanely long race at Watkins Glenn, one of those tracks where there are turns and hair pins and I am not sure if it was that he didn't make a pit stop for a long time or something, but I remember he won that race years ago and I think he almost died from dehydration or heat exhaustion in the process.

Good memories. When I just visited nascar.com, I only recognize a hand full of the guys now. I am surprised to see such a mix of drivers in terms of ethnicity and nationality.

Happy to see that Jeff Burton is number 3 in the points standing. Who's number 1 though?

That was the Fall race at Martinsville. I think either 97 or 98

[redbanditZ28]

Wow, I can't belive that the race was that long ago. Thanks for that reply. I always like watching the races at Sears Point and Watkins Glen.

[bubba428]

I still say NASCAR would be way better if they stuck with what their name implies - "stock" cars.

Slap a 4" spoiler on the front and back of a stock body, toss a cage in it, and only allow whatever the top motor the manufacturer sticks in 'em on the assembly line. Then we'll see who's really better :D

- Justin

Well the name come from the roots of nascar...Bootleggers transporting whiskey stock in hopped up cars...I don't know where the whole equal advantage thing came from

[edpontiac91]

It really didn't affect Toyota if they took away 10-15 HP, since BUSCH won the race Sat. nite again anyway.

[Tru2Chevy]

Only 3 Toyotas in the top 15 at Indy today though :)

- Justin

[Frosty]

I still say NASCAR would be way better if they stuck with what their name implies - "stock" cars.

Slap a 4" spoiler on the front and back of a stock body, toss a cage in it, and only allow whatever the top motor the manufacturer sticks in 'em on the assembly line. Then we'll see who's really better :D

- Justin

If they did that I might actually watch it.

[maroman88]

looks like they lost tony for next year.... back to a chevy and his own team!