McCain picks a woman running mate!

[its Jeanne-Marie]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25970882


wild! he was already stealing some hillary supporters after the big divide between them and the obama people...this just might push more over to the republican ticket

[ZCarr]

Where did this woman come from. I would never vote for Obama but reading up on this woman doesn't give me much hope for the Republican party.:-?

[SteveR]

LOL so McCain tries to smear Obama by saying he has no experience, then nominates Palin who actually has no experience, other than the two years as Governor :rofl: And she's also trying to push the 'turn Alaska into an oil refinery'. How fitting. I don't think this will in any way attract Hillary supporters.

[12secondv6]

Workks for me.

And.... alaska as a refinery..... fine with me

[LS1Hawk]

23% of Hilary supporters already said they are going to vote for McCain after Obama got the delegates. And most people that were going to vote for Hilary were only going to because she's a woman, so I wouldn't be surprised he if attracts more now.

[Frosty]

Workks for me.

And.... alaska as a refinery..... fine with me

:werd:

[Frosty]

Where did this woman come from. I would never vote for Obama but reading up on this woman doesn't give me much hope for the Republican party.:-?

She's not a stupid lady, she has a no nonsense attitude. We'll see how it pans out.

[SteveR]

She's not a stupid lady, she has a no nonsense attitude. We'll see how it pans out.

With what experience though? She was only sworn in 20 months ago! :rofl: Oh wait, I forgot, she was the mayor of some small town of 7000 in the isolated Alaskan tundra for six years :rofl: She was 'no nonsense' in her fight to get that moose crossing sign erected :lol:

[SteveR]

In all seriousness though, what experience does she have to qualify her for VP? NONE. Whats her foreign policy experience? NONE. Has she toured the globe on a humanitarian effort? NO. Years of experience in Washington? NO. Years of experience dealing with security and military issues? NO. She has absolutely no experience what so ever. This has to be one of the biggest mistakes McCain could have made. He structured a majority of his campaign on reiterating that Obama does not have enough experience to be in office. Then he does this. How does that make him look? It shows that he has NO regard for the integrity of the office in which both he is seeking, and that of the VP as well, by nominating a person that has absolutely NO right serving in it, and that will not even be able to come close to the expected requirements for which the office of the VP is intended.

[Frosty]

Just curious, what role does the VP truly play in the grand scheme of things? People are putting so much emphasis on the VP. Is this a wise choice? Eh probably not due to the experience. I'm surprised the governor from MN wasn't picked, same with Romney. However, in the grand scheme of things I don't really think it's THAT important. When we have a Congress with the worst approval rating in history and a Congress that has accomplished NOTHING in 2yrs(is that Bush's fault too??) who the hell cares about a VP :lol:

[Frosty]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/Superado/McCAIN_MILF.jpg

[SteveR]

Just curious, what role does the VP truly play in the grand scheme of things? People are putting so much emphasis on the VP. Is this a wise choice? Eh probably not due to the experience. I'm surprised the governor from MN wasn't picked, same with Romney. However, in the grand scheme of things I don't really think it's THAT important. When we have a Congress with the worst approval rating in history and a Congress that has accomplished NOTHING in 2yrs(is that Bush's fault too??) who the hell cares about a VP :lol:

The VP role is supposed to be the one that actually gets dirty. They are the one that travels aiding foreign policy, initiating programs, coordinating issues, meeting with leaders, assisting in policy development, speaking to the public, both at home and abroad, attending planning meetings, making appearances at events. The VP role is very important. America has forgotten that because the current VP has spent eight years in his basement in his underwear playing stratego.

[JL8Jeff]

Looks like some form of political history will be made this year either way. I'm not thrilled with either combination so once again it turns into who you want to vote against and not who you want to vote for. That is the problem with our 2 party setup.

Now remember to keep any discussion civil or it will be locked.

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[Frosty]

What's wrong with stratego?????? :D

We'll see what happens, her experience hurts her but like I said she's not stupid. I bet she attracts a good amount of Billary supports that are on the fence.

[LS1Hawk]

He structured a majority of his campaign on reiterating that Obama does not have enough experience to be in office. The he does this.

But it's true. Obama doesn't have enough experience. Just watch one of his supporters try to come up with an accomplishment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xod9wV6NKeg

[SteveR]

What's wrong with stratego?????? :D


:rofl:


I'm just saying, he has completely ignored the responsibilities of his office, and instead, waged his own personal war from his basement. Biden has all of the experience and criteria to be a great VP, that was a very good choice. McCain on the other hand, went with an underqualified superficial selection. The only people he will attract with this move from the Hillary camp are the ones that have no clue about politics to begin with and like a little kid, are going to vote based on the shiny thing they see.

Look at it like this, all of us here are individuals, each with our own lives. Most of us all work, and have a chosen career field. We have chosen our field and studied it, went to school for it, or learned about it from our current and previous jobs. We are IT personnel, sanitation workers, managers, Corrections Officers, Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Military members, contractors. We have worked our way up over time, learning as we go. We get raises from time to time based on our past performance, and or recognition of being able to perform the duties of the next higher level. Joe Biden has worked his way up over time, strengthening his experience, and abilities. Palin, has not. To consider her for the position of the Vice President of the United States of America would be like any one of us getting out of school with a minor in computer science, getting a job working for a computer company, and 20 months later, being nominated for CEO of Microsoft. That is just ludicrous.

[SteveR]

But it's true. Obama doesn't have enough experience. Just watch one of his supporters try to come up with an accomplishment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xod9wV6NKeg

You cant fault the man because one of his supporters isnt informed.

[CHRIS67]

I can't help to think that he had her in mind after seeing how well Hillry was doing. I think it is about time to have someone else in the white house besides a white guy. Either vote you cast will rock the boat.

[enRo]

IBTL :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock:

[JerzyIroc]

Picking her was such a slap in the face to so many people in so many ways. Way to pick a VP not based on any actual qualifications. Nope. Pick one because she's a woman! YAY! Is he kidding me? At least hillary would have been deserving of such a role. You may not like her but least she's busted her as to get to where she got. You have to at least give her that respect. What the hell has this woman done?!?! NOTHING!!! And i hate to be morbid but with McCain being as old as he is and the fact that well... **** happens... What in gods green earth would happen if he passes away and this woman becomes the president???????? you REALLY think she would have any clue what so ever of what to do? This move was such a joke and it mocks the potential for such a historic moment. This country is in deep ****. With a tag team that includes one person who basically vows to follow the footsteps of what is probably the worst leader in this history of this country and a sidekick that has as much experience as a video store manager i dont understand how anyone could possibly even consider such a joke. I'd rather take a chance with someone who actually seems like he wants change than someone who wants to do the same exact thing as bush. is he a great choice? no, but who ever is? but at the end of the day this country needs a whle new direction. picking someone whos a shadow of the current problem and his sidekick who is nothing short of pathetic is not the right direction

[ins0mnia24]

The options for this presidential election suck with both parties..

[Savage_Messiah]

Just curious, what role does the VP truly play in the grand scheme of things? People are putting so much emphasis on the VP. Is this a wise choice? Eh probably not due to the experience. I'm surprised the governor from MN wasn't picked, same with Romney. However, in the grand scheme of things I don't really think it's THAT important. When we have a Congress with the worst approval rating in history and a Congress that has accomplished NOTHING in 2yrs(is that Bush's fault too??) who the hell cares about a VP :lol:

With what Steve said aside, if the republican party wins, then when that old bastard croaks over she takes the Presidency :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

LOL so McCain tries to smear Obama by saying he has no experience, then nominates Palin who actually has no experience, other than the two years as Governor :rofl: And she's also trying to push the 'turn Alaska into an oil refinery'. How fitting. I don't think this will in any way attract Hillary supporters.

Agreed. All the dems have to do to stir the pot is say that this just means more dilling, more of what will not get us off oil.

I dont see how people who liked Hillary's far left side view on things will all of a sudden go to the republicans, even if McCain isnt as right as Bush was.
If Hillary's supporters go to McCain, they are doing out of it cause they didnt get thier way.

23% of Hilary supporters already said they are going to vote for McCain after Obama got the delegates. And most people that were going to vote for Hilary were only going to because she's a woman, so I wouldn't be surprised he if attracts more now.

Saying and doing are two different things. Dems have to continue to drum up the Bush stuff, and they can coast themselves into office.


The VP role is supposed to be the one that actually gets dirty. They are the one that travels aiding foreign policy, initiating programs, coordinating issues, meeting with leaders, assisting in policy development, speaking to the public, both at home and abroad, attending planning meetings, making appearances at events. The VP role is very important. America has forgotten that because the current VP has spent eight years in his basement in his underwear playing stratego.

VP is also the President of the Senate. So a 50/50 tie could be decided by the VP of the US. VP has a lot of power, you just dont hear about it.


I just find it odd that a woman that no one knows, that was just sworn in as gov. of Alaska less then 2 years ago, has risen to possibly be the 2nd most powerful person in the free world?
Does no one question that?

[cdacda13]

I just find it odd that a woman that no one knows, that was just sworn in as gov. of Alaska less then 2 years ago, has risen to possibly be the 2nd most powerful person in the free world?
Does no one question that?
That's the best part about America.

[ar0ck]

Vote for McCain, you're racist.

Vote for Obama, you're sexist.

I love it! Obama doesn't stand a chance now.

[Tsar]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Shaggyskadude/mccain1.jpg

[12secondv6]

:rofl:

[SteveR]

:lol: !!! blue dress part two!!! wheres the smoking cigar! :rofl:

[SteveR]

That's the best part about America.

I understand the sentimentalism and symbolism you're inferring, but there are certain prerequisites for you know, being second in charge for like, 350 million people lol

[Mark B]

I would like some time to research what this woman has done before I talk too much about it... But I think McCain just sealed up his victory. If she is as inexpirenced as you guys say, hopefully McCains expirence will compensate.

[BigAls87Z28]

Vote for McCain, you're racist.

Vote for Obama, you're sexist.

I love it! Obama doesn't stand a chance now.

I would like some time to research what this woman has done before I talk too much about it... But I think McCain just sealed up his victory. If she is as inexpirenced as you guys say, hopefully McCains expirence will compensate.


Sealed up the victory?
Doesn't stand the chance?
Have you guys been living in the same country I have for the past 8 years?

Republicans have a huge image to get over. When the current president has a less then 25% approval rating,t hat means when he sits down with his wife and his two daughters for dinner, only one person at that table things he is doing a good job running the country.

McCain was very Anti-Bush 8 years ago, and I wished that he would have won the nod back in 2000. Now, he talks the same line, only without the religious background.

If anything, Obama and Biden have this thing sealed. McCain is gunna need a lot to win this...a lot.

[SteveR]

... But I think McCain just sealed up his victory.

How so? By nominating someone who wont be able to fulfill the requirements of the job? Wouldnt he have just sealed his defeat?

[BigAls87Z28]

I STILL cant belive this. Very left field. If I was a boarder line republican, a call like this would make me question his choice, therefor question everything.
I really like McCain, and I really wished he would pull away from the standard Republican bs that we have been choking down for 8 years. He used to be almost dead center.

The Dems have a dynomite ticket. This choice from McCain is odd IMO. This has more to do with oil then anything else...it would be easy to pass oil drilling bills in the senate if the President of the Senate just so happend to have the key vote, also has a lot of ties and relationships to Alaska.

[maroman88]

sealed the vote for me!! she was runner up for miss alaska!!! and used the money to pay for college. her husband is a pro fisherman on one of them big boats up there! bout time we get some "normal" people in charge

[JL8Jeff]

How is she any less qualified than Hillary who bought her NY Senate seat with no political background or Obama who hasn't done anything either? Both tickets now have experienced people and sophmores. But your choice comes down to having the sophmore as President vs the sophmore as VP.

[89 Trans Am WS6]

LOL so McCain tries to smear Obama by saying he has no experience, then nominates Palin who actually has no experience, other than the two years as Governor :rofl: And she's also trying to push the 'turn Alaska into an oil refinery'. How fitting. I don't think this will in any way attract Hillary supporters.



So let me get this straight...

No experience...

So we may actually get someone who hasnt been around in the political scene for ever..who has not been currupted by it, and hasnt had there name dragged all around for things they have done in office (Since im sure they will find stuff she did as a 23 year old college girl or something..)

They dont know our foriegn policy...oh **** no..what if we have to stand on our own again as a country!

REFINE OUR OWN OIL?!?!?! FOR OURSELVES?!?!?! Can we do that?

I dunno guys, maybe someone who is fresh to it all isnt a bad thing.

Just my .02

[BigAls87Z28]

Well then the same coudl be said about Obama?

This move makes me less likely to vote for McCain.

When the Reps talk about Obama's experiance, they talk in negitives.
When the Reps defend Palin, they talk about how she will do allt his great stuff, or she is a fresh face, a new commer to the system...
Cant talk about inexperiance in poor light and then pick a VP who has less then 2 years of any high office under his or her belt.

[JerzyIroc]

i dont know of any miss america or any miss anything for that matter.... i DO know of people that grew up with a single parent. or grew up with their grandparents like myself. i do know of people who chose a different life to help others. i do know of people who made insane sacrifices, like my mom, to make a change in my life. I do know of people who has fought time and time again to make some kind of change in our little city just for some idiot to ruin it but never backed down. i do know of people who HAVENT come from an ivy league family or a rich millionaire family but somehow was able to make something of themselves with something called hard work and dedication. with that said how is obama not a normal person? how is biden not a normal person? i know a hell of a lot more people with a similar life story as biden and obama than i do with mccain or that other whats her name...

and how in the world can anyone compare hillary and that chick??? what hillary did as a first lady alone was more than palin has ever done in her life. hillary wasnt just some chick that said hey let me run. shes married to a former president. she KNEW how the white house ran. she knew what it was about. lol obviously didnt know much about what was going on in the oval office, but she at least had a damn better idea of what was going on in politics than palin who is a gov of Alaska for god sakes.... and wtf man. when will people realize that we can drill every single inch of this country, it doesnt mean its the best idea. we NEED to start getting involved in other forms of fuel. Why are we so insistent on going after a product that has no advantages as some of the ground breaking alternatives thats available? and you guys really think that we'll actually see most of the oil that gets drilled??? HA. Mccain voted a few yearsback to drill, BUT to SELL the oil to other countries instead of using it here. do the research. yup. lets drill...

[SteveR]

It's this strange concept that inexperience is a plus thats got this country in the crapper as it is now. The notion that you can take some shmo off the street and make them the second in command of the free world is unsettling, and to see so many Americans thinking its a good idea that further confirms my growing theory that Americans by and large are in fact too stupid to make a choice for themselves. Maybe Reagan's "New World Order" concept model of one giant spoon-fed police state was a good idea. Maybe the fact that the Electoral College actually chooses the next president and the public does not is a good thing, as we really do seem too mentally challenged as a whole to grasp complex issues and concepts. Shiny things, bright flashing lights, superficial ideals, and simple coercion. Bring on the rubber bullets! Bring on the flash grenades! Bring on the forced curfews! Bring on the mindless tv shows! Bring on the fast food! Connect our brains to the central belief center! Assimilate me! Make me like the rest of the mindless gutless spineless sheep! I dont want to have to think for myself! I dont want to be an individual! Where is Mao in America when we need him!

[JerzyIroc]

i think we need to elect your sheep...

[SupermanX24]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/Superado/McCAIN_MILF.jpg

indeed!

[SteveR]

i think we need to elect your sheep...

a stuffed toy sheep would have been a more intelligent choice. At least then American's could have a laugh as the Republican candidate spit in our collective faces.

[JL8Jeff]

So you guys are saying JFK was a bad choice as well as Jimmy Carter because of inexperience. Oh yeah, JFK came from a family of millionaires as well. You need to use a balanced argument and you guys are not. Like I said, we obviously have 2 experience people and 2 sophmores. You can't do anything to change the choices now so make your pick, but don't force feed your opinion on people. This thread will most likely get locked soon if you keep overreacting. Post up valid points or don't post.

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[LTb1ow]

Bah, vote for the green party.

[Mark B]

Americans want change. Obama has based his campain on it. Now McCain has offered americans a chance for change (weather its real or not.) But at the same time, we get to keep the security that the republican party has given us. Everyone hates the fact that we are at war... But I hope most americans realize that we cant leave Iraq. If we do, it will open season for terrorists.

[LTb1ow]

But at the same time, we get to keep the security that the republican party has given us.


:rofl:

[JerzyIroc]

no im definatly not. i apologize if im coming out that way :-D.. inexperience is one thing. heck clinton didnt have much experience himself and was only 42 and look what he did. but its impossible to compare the experience between obama who has faught in chicago for YEARS and has served in the senate for a few years as well to a person who JUST became a gov of ALASKA. And before that she was the mayor of a town with less than 10,000 people where their biggest issue was about some dog race..... There's a huge difference. the millionaire comment was in response to the comment made about her being "normal" because her husband is a fisherman...... i feel the examples i gave are much more common in this country than a fisherman. but what do i know. im not over reacting nor am i trying to push my opinion on anyone. i just cant grasp the concept of how anyone thinking this chick is even remotely CLOSE to being ready to lead a walk-a-thon let alone a VP or even an actual President god forbid something happens to McCain. And bush has hardly made this country more safe. Hell more people hate this country than ever before. we've managed to piss off and strain our friendships with our closest allies. i would hardly call that being protected. i feel MUCH safer knowing that there is someone who would be willing to negotiate and talk things over like a normal mature human BUT will throw down when its time to throw down rather than acting like an animal and geting into a fight with everyone. its simple grammar school logic. stay cool. if someone pisses you off try n talk it over. but the moment that person swings then its time to bang out and get dirty...... and if we were in war with the people responsible for the attacks on 9/11 it would be one thing. but to be lied to and have our emotions after 9/11 used against us just to get an excuse to go to war with iraq is just ridiculous.

So you guys are saying JFK was a bad choice as well as Jimmy Carter because of inexperience. Oh yeah, JFK came from a family of millionaires as well. You need to use a balanced argument and you guys are not. Like I said, we obviously have 2 experience people and 2 sophmores. You can't do anything to change the choices now so make your pick, but don't force feed your opinion on people. This thread will most likely get locked soon if you keep overreacting. Post up valid points or don't post.

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[SteveR]

Americans want change. Obama has based his campain on it. Now McCain has offered americans a chance for change (weather its real or not.) But at the same time, we get to keep the security that the republican party has given us. Everyone hates the fact that we are at war... But I hope most americans realize that we cant leave Iraq. If we do, it will open season for terrorists.

First, what security have they given us? We now have the highest national debt in American history, more than 25% of the entire country is in foreclosure, more American jobs have been outsourced to other countries in the last 8 years than in the previous 224 years of this nation combined, our real estate market is in the toilet, business are going out of business at an accelerated rate, unemployment is on the rise, wages are lower today than five years ago, yet inflation is growing to over 5% a year, gas is nearly double what it was two years ago, our automobile industry is on the verge of collapse, our foreign policy for the last 8 years has led to every single other country hating us, and Americans can hardly pay their bills, yet big business has been reporting record profits every single quarter for years. What kind of security is that?

Second, we cant leave Iraq? Have you not been watching the news? The Iraqi government has declared that the US must be fully withdrawn from Iraq by December 2011, and the drawdown must begin this December, giving us three years to have every single American troop out of there. If we dont, we will be declaring war on the Iraqi government THAT WE CREATED!

[LTb1ow]

Well said, and security from false illusions of danger is not helpful.

[johnjzjz]

it was put out no political posts so by me saying you have to be mature to understand the reason he picked a very good woman for the VP spot who BTW wont be an al gore in the closet, and she is just the thing he wanted to put him completely over the top - do i get badgered for my political view or no equal thinking allowed -- the nobamma crew mostly young and impressionable buy the drive buy media have a lot to learn before they think the likes of nobamma will get to be in the white house < now call me a racist its a badge i can wear but all the skinny dude can do is talk their is nothing behind the rhetoric -- jz

[SteveR]

it was put out no political posts so by me saying you have to be mature to understand the reason he picked a very good woman for the VP spot who BTW wont be an al gore in the closet, and she is just the thing he wanted to put him completely over the top - do i get badgered for my political view or no equal thinking allowed -- the nobamma crew mostly young and impressionable buy the drive buy media have a lot to learn before they think the likes of nobamma will get to be in the white house < now call me a racist its a badge i can wear but all the skinny dude can do is talk their is nothing behind the rhetoric -- jz

Explain why she's a good pick.

[LTb1ow]

She was in charge of Alaska's national guard.

[johnjzjz]

1-first off she is a mother of 5 eldest son on his way to irak she understands what it means to have a boy over their in harms way
2 - Alaska in the most environmentally conscious state in the union and she won the job by pointing out the corrupt stuff that had been going on by the Washington insiders
3- with in a few weeks and days you might hear she is a no nonsense person who gets the job done and is not looking to be patted on the back
4-having a non Washington insider like biden is for sure is a big plus with real Americans today away from the metros like NYC and LA i could go on but i think you should look for your self before you automatically point a blind finger

[SteveR]

1-first off she is a mother of 5 eldest son on his way to irak she understands what it means to have a boy over their in harms way

2 - Alaska in the most environmentally conscious state in the union and she won the job by pointing out the corrupt stuff that had been going on by the Washington insiders

3- with in a few weeks and days you might hear she is a no nonsense person who gets the job done and is not looking to be patted on the back

4-having a non Washington insider like biden is for sure is a big plus with real Americans today away from the metros like NYC and LA i could go on but i think you should look for your self before you automatically point a blind finger

1. Biden was the father of four, his one child and wife killed in a car accident, and his son is also in the Army and is headed off to Iraq

2. Yet she is a strong supporter of the idea of turning Alaska into Linden, by digging the state up and drilling for oil, and is a supporter and voted for the largest natural gas pipeline system in North America in Alaska.

3. Gets the job done? lol What, in the year and a half shes actually had a job in major politics?

4. I have looked, and I study, evaluate, and listen. And I conclude that this is a sexist, insulting, superficial nomination that undermines the very integrity of both the office of the Vice President, and that of the President of the United States of America itself.

[johnjzjz]

and thats just your opinion based on the place you looked to get your info -- unfortunate for all of us the truth is swayed to the writers opinion and not necessarily really the truth as you and i would want -- jz

[LS1Hawk]

4. I have looked, and I study, evaluate, and listen. And I conclude that this is a sexist, insulting, superficial nomination that undermines the very integrity of both the office of the Vice President, and that of the President of the United States of America itself.

So I guess it's better to choose a running mate who during the democratic primary debates would constantly roll his eyes at everything Obama said, has been quoted saying about Obama that the presidency shouldn't be for someone looking for on-the-job training, and had many times said he did not want to be asked and would not be interested in being VP? McCain picked someone who agrees with him on the issues and believes in his candidacy.

[BigAls87Z28]

First, what security have they given us? We now have the highest national debt in American history, more than 25% of the entire country is in foreclosure, more American jobs have been outsourced to other countries in the last 8 years than in the previous 224 years of this nation combined, our real estate market is in the toilet, business are going out of business at an accelerated rate, unemployment is on the rise, wages are lower today than five years ago, yet inflation is growing to over 5% a year, gas is nearly double what it was two years ago, our automobile industry is on the verge of collapse, our foreign policy for the last 8 years has led to every single other country hating us, and Americans can hardly pay their bills, yet big business has been reporting record profits every single quarter for years. What kind of security is that?

Second, we cant leave Iraq? Have you not been watching the news? The Iraqi government has declared that the US must be fully withdrawn from Iraq by December 2011, and the drawdown must begin this December, giving us three years to have every single American troop out of there. If we dont, we will be declaring war on the Iraqi government THAT WE CREATED!

Bravo Steve...Bravo.

Reps have given us a false sense of security. We have trumped up several nations as big bad evil people when nations are not what are flying planes into towers, not blowing up buildings, and not killing American and other Allied troops.

Mosf of American is tired of the same old crap. McCain is gunna have to pull some magical bunny out of his hat (read: ass) to pull off this election. This time, he wont have a little brother to fudge the voting numbers.

We have sacraficed everything, our country has gone down the tubes in every way shape and form.

[BigAls87Z28]

So I guess it's better to choose a running mate who during the democratic primary debates would constantly roll his eyes at everything Obama said, has been quoted saying about Obama that the presidency shouldn't be for someone looking for on-the-job training, and had many times said he did not want to be asked and would not be interested in being VP? McCain picked someone who agrees with him on the issues and believes in his candidacy.

Biden said he would not like to be VP, but if Obama (or Hillary) were to ask him, he would do the job.

[SteveR]

and thats just your opinion based on the place you looked to get your info -- unfortunate for all of us the truth is swayed to the writers opinion and not necessarily really the truth as you and i would want -- jz

Out of the statements I made, tell me which ones are not facts.

[johnjzjz]

Bravo Steve...Bravo.

Reps have given us a false sense of security. We have trumped up several nations as big bad evil people when nations are not what are flying planes into towers, not blowing up buildings, and not killing American and other Allied troops.

Mosf of American is tired of the same old crap. McCain is gunna have to pull some magical bunny out of his hat (read: ass) to pull off this election. This time, he wont have a little brother to fudge the voting numbers.

We have sacraficed everything, our country has gone down the tubes in every way shape and form.

and i guess nancy and her ilk have done such a great job owning both houses of goverment they have been cleared by the dems for their 2 years of nothing OPPPS not susposed to look at what they do - just what they say they are going to do - i get it now be a great speaker does it for ya - and drilling in alaska is going to happen get use to it -- jz

[SteveR]

So I guess it's better to choose a running mate who during the democratic primary debates would constantly roll his eyes at everything Obama said, has been quoted saying about Obama that the presidency shouldn't be for someone looking for on-the-job training, and had many times said he did not want to be asked and would not be interested in being VP? McCain picked someone who agrees with him on the issues and believes in his candidacy.

Biden wanted to be president, not vice president, thats competition.

McCain picked someone who agrees with BUSH'S issues, that McCain has adopted, and the proof is that McCain, over the last four years, has voted 95% of the time in support of every single Bush proposal. How is that McCain's beliefs? McCain is just a spokesman for the failed policies of the Bush Neroistic tyranny of exploitation.

She was chosen for three reasons;

1. She's a woman and McCain is playing the sex card.

2. She's a supporter of the oil companies and politicians desire to drill in Alaska

3. She has virtually no experience in major public office, so she will be like Bush, an easy person to bully and push around to do whatever you want her to do, both as VP, and if anything were to happen to McCain, as president, thus allowing these policies in place today to continue for at least another 4 years.

[johnjzjz]

OK what part of this is not true - lets say i want to vote dem


Why I'm voting Democratic.

1. I'm voting Democrat because an inexperienced US Senator gives great speeches that make me feel good.

2. I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

3. I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15 % isn't.

4. I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution through judicial fiat every few days to suit some idealists who would otherwise NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

5. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want a stimulus check to spend. Let the government spend it for me.

6. I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

7. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the employees (after taxes).

8. I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

9. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that churches should only be allowed for political speeches.

10. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want Doctors who were at the top of their classes to operate on me. I want a government employee who makes $50k a year and couldn't hack it as a contractor or an engineer doing my surgery.

11. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that paying $4.00 a gallon or more is no reason to drill for the mountain of oil we are sitting on in THIS country. We wouldn't want to have to move a couple of polar bears now would we?

12. I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq , I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

13. I'm voting Democrat because I like it when planes fly into buildings full of civilians. I want to see more of that.

14. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to hide from us over there, when they come over here I don't want to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.

15. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want to eat poison food and drink infected water. We all know Republicans love that stuff. (Ever wonder why the most left wing country in the world ( China ) is the most polluted?)

16. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

17. I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I'm going to marry my TV.

18. I'm voting Democrat because I REALLY believe there is no bias in the media.

[Mark B]

First, what security have they given us? We now have the highest national debt in American history, more than 25% of the entire country is in foreclosure, more American jobs have been outsourced to other countries in the last 8 years than in the previous 224 years of this nation combined, our real estate market is in the toilet, business are going out of business at an accelerated rate, unemployment is on the rise, wages are lower today than five years ago, yet inflation is growing to over 5% a year, gas is nearly double what it was two years ago, our automobile industry is on the verge of collapse, our foreign policy for the last 8 years has led to every single other country hating us, and Americans can hardly pay their bills, yet big business has been reporting record profits every single quarter for years. What kind of security is that?


Now tell me how Bush is responsible for millions of americans being stupid enough to get on an adjustable rate mortgage, or the real estate market being crappy, or high gas prices? Gas prices rising have caused almost all americans to cut back on spending. Thus causing most of the items on your list. The only big business I know of reporting record profits are the oil companys. And that is OUR own fault. We bought oversized SUV's and have wasted as much energy as we could for a long time. It has finally caught up to us. And it is up to us to change our ways. I HATE how our country spends 21 billion dollars on gas every year. Money that goes out of our country and into the hands of people that want to kill us.

As far as the security... you dont think that our presence in Iraq has had anything to do with the fact that there have been NO major terrorist attacks since 9/11?

[Mark B]

Dont get me wrong. I dont like Bush either. His administration has made mistake after mistake. And I dont agree with many of his decisions. But I just hate how people try to blame him for things that are out of his controll.

[Frosty]

Bravo Steve...Bravo.

Reps have given us a false sense of security. We have trumped up several nations as big bad evil people when nations are not what are flying planes into towers, not blowing up buildings, and not killing American and other Allied troops.

Mosf of American is tired of the same old crap. McCain is gunna have to pull some magical bunny out of his hat (read: ass) to pull off this election. This time, he wont have a little brother to fudge the voting numbers.

We have sacraficed everything, our country has gone down the tubes in every way shape and form.

Yet somehow that's all the Republican's fault? C'mon Al, you're smarter than that. A LOT(most) Democrats voted for the war, most buckled when they had an opportunity to really get stuff done, how about a ridiculously low Congress approval rating? You can sit there and point the finger at the right all you want but at the end of the day the left is just as much at fault, maybe even more. They cry a mean game but once the whining stops they still accomplish nothing. It's funny, Clinton is praised left and right about his economic policies and how he turned the country around...with a Republican congress. Bush is president and the country certainly isn't doing great but with a Democrat congress yet it's all his fault. Hypocrisy at its best.***For the record I didn't have a huge problem with Clinton, it's just hypocrisy at its best***

[SteveR]

1. I'm voting Democrat because an inexperienced US Senator gives great speeches that make me feel good.

How is he inexperienced again? Explain that. He's been in public service since before he went to college.


2. I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

Actually, if you read Obama's economic plan, you wouldn't have said that. He is guaranteeing tax cuts for the middle class and small business owners. He's also talking about a public works program, like what FDR did after the depression, to help the economy, provide Americans with American jobs, and reinvest in American companies. Unlike Bush who instituted the Homeland Security Tax for every car you rent and plane or train ticket you buy, increased income tax for the middle class, but oh, I'm sure you'll mention the tax rebate checks he so nicely handed out. Well, they in reality further put our national debt in danger, and if you read the fine print, that was a loan, not a gift. You'll be paying that back. But best to do that in his final year so it'll look like it's the next president's fault.


3. I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15 % isn't.

Where did you get that information? Lets talk basic, simple economics for a second. Oil companies have a set profit margin of 4%. They report record profit gains every single quarter. Simple math would then say that the only way thats possible is if every single American alive commutes to the Moon and back everyday. Profits in a set margin only increase with demands, and in case you havent noticed, demand if anything went down this past year, so that would mean that their profit margin was not in fact set at 4%. Exxon alone this past quarter reported over 11 billion dollars in profit. PROFIT.


4. I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution through judicial fiat every few days to suit some idealists who would otherwise NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

Are you talking about Bush here? He was the one that signed the Patriot Act that stripped Americans of their rights, ignored the Constitution, violated the Geneva Convention, committed acts of war crimes, the same offense we hunted Hitler for, the same we tried and executed Himmler for, the same we tried Milosevic for, the same we denounced Stalin for, and the same we make patriotic movies about, the same administration that ignores the Bill of Rights, the same administration that condones torture, suspends human rights, the same administration that is willing to break the rules and bankrupt this country to make themselves richer, despite what tremendous negative impacts it has on all Americans. This is also the same administration that illegally appointed leaders when Congress was out of session, and said 'what are you going to do about it.'


5. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want a stimulus check to spend. Let the government spend it for me.

Read the fine print, thats a loan, not a gift. Have fun paying that back next year or the year after. But I'm sure if Obama wins, you'll blame that on him too.


6. I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

And Bush doesnt want freedom of speech at all. Americans organizing legally to protest Bush's policies are broken up, and individuals arrested for no reason. Protests themselves are now illegal in many instances. Protests when Bush was on his way down Pennsylvania Avenue to get sworn in were not allowed. The rest of the public is not allowed to see what other Americans are doing, especially if its to question our leaders. How's that for your freedoms?


7. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the employees (after taxes).

Where in any discussion, document, form, email, or any other form of communication, written or otherwise, does any Democrat say that? Stopping big business from RAPING its citizens without any legal recourse is a noble cause. Argue your point to the thousands of families that lost EVERYTHING when Kenneth Lay decided that he really needed those billions of dollars in employee pension funds. Then the government covered his ass and let him off the hook, meanwhile the thousands of hard working American families are left out in the ****ing street.


8. I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

And the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians in multiple countries is permissible? Sure, as long as its not happening in abortion clinics, murder is legal, right? How about how Bush has turned his cheek to the fact that oil companies have setup faux sites in the Congo for the sole purpose of arming the rebels to slaughter civilians so they can raid the diamond mines. The public was finally made aware of it after Citgo got caught. But thats ok, right?


9. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that churches should only be allowed for political speeches.

Right. Thats absolutely insane. Where on what page of your Dems are the Devil Handbook is that? Obama is a very religious man, so is Biden.


10. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want Doctors who were at the top of their classes to operate on me. I want a government employee who makes $50k a year and couldn't hack it as a contractor or an engineer doing my surgery.

Right, because it was Obama that catered to the insurance companies that illegally short changed every single medical bill they received and refuse to this day to pay for covered visits, which is why the good doctors are either going out of business, going private, or moving to another country where they will be duly compensated for their abilities. Our health care system in this country is BROKEN. Insurance companies are now permitted to authorize doctor and hospital visits, as well as surgeries, and NOT pay for them when the bill is submitted. And Bush covers their asses and the doctors, hospitals, and clinics go under.



11. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that paying $4.00 a gallon or more is no reason to drill for the mountain of oil we are sitting on in THIS country. We wouldn't want to have to move a couple of polar bears now would we?

Read up on the issues with speculators on Wall Street, thats why gas is so high. They were allowed to raise the price of oil by 400% over a year and Bush protected them, because thats money in his pocket.


12. I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq , I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I'd like to see where in any of Obama's speeches he says that. Oh wait, he didnt. If you study the political and social history of us going into Iraq, you'd know that a lot of people hate us because we WENT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. The truth is that there are people that want to kill us. They exist all over, but the true diplomat doesn't just go bomb, invade, and become an occupying force where ever he wishes. Force only breeds force, and hatred only breeds hatred.


13. I'm voting Democrat because I like it when planes fly into buildings full of civilians. I want to see more of that.

Yea. You know, you may be onto something there. I bet if you dig deep enough, you'll see Jimmy ****ing Carter in the pilot seat of that first jet. I even bet those terrorist Dems stole JFK's casket and duct taped it to the nose of one of the jets. I bet if you change the letters in Obama's name around, it spells 'kill all Americans.'


14. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to hide from us over there, when they come over here I don't want to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.

Right. Even though Obama has spoken out saying he strongly supports the Second Amendment. You really have never even read or even listened to any one of his debates or speeches, have you?


15. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want to eat poison food and drink infected water. We all know Republicans love that stuff. (Ever wonder why the most left wing country in the world ( China ) is the most polluted?)

What are you talking about?


16. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

Right. Because Al Gore and the leading researchers from MIT, Princeton, Harvard, etc. decided one day to just say "ef it, let the Weather Channel figure it out." If you read about, became involved with, or even had an inkling of an idea about environmental science, you wouldnt say something that uninformed.


17. I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I'm going to marry my TV.

And why do you care so much about what each individual wants to do with their lives? Isnt this country founded on freedom? So why are you trying to limit that freedom? Does your version of freedom have limitations and exceptions? That sound a lot like Bush's idea of freedom too.


18. I'm voting Democrat because I REALLY believe there is no bias in the media.

What are you talking about. If anything, your statement is in direct contrast to your standing. You are inferring that the media is biased, and can be manipulated, thus controlled.

[SteveR]

As far as the security... you dont think that our presence in Iraq has had anything to do with the fact that there have been NO major terrorist attacks since 9/11?

You mean stateside. You're not counting the thousands of soldiers who've died in IED attacks alone.

[BigAls87Z28]

Yet somehow that's all the Republican's fault? C'mon Al, you're smarter than that. A LOT(most) Democrats voted for the war, most buckled when they had an opportunity to really get stuff done, how about a ridiculously low Congress approval rating? You can sit there and point the finger at the right all you want but at the end of the day the left is just as much at fault, maybe even more. They cry a mean game but once the whining stops they still accomplish nothing. It's funny, Clinton is praised left and right about his economic policies and how he turned the country around...with a Republican congress. Bush is president and the country certainly isn't doing great but with a Democrat congress yet it's all his fault. Hypocrisy at its best.***For the record I didn't have a huge problem with Clinton, it's just hypocrisy at its best***


Voting for the war, and creating the reasons to go to war are two very vast and different things.
Well, when there was a Republican Congress with Bush in the office, the economy tanked. Only now do we see the aftermath of thier decisions.
The Dem congress was just recent, only 2 out of the past 8 years have we had that available to us.
We still have a Right Wing President to veto any bill that might help us out.

We gave out billions of dollars that are not ours, to give to Americans to spend,a nd the economy is still in the ****ter.

How about the TRILLION dollars we are pouring into Iraq to be in WORSE SHAPE then when Saddam was in office? How about the millions of dollars that have just suddenly disappeared in Iraq?
That's gotta be the Dem Congress's fault.

We can go back and forth on this, but the fact still stands, this country has been for a long time in the ****ter, and its not cause of Clinton getting a blow job.
Im sick and tired of the Reps making excuses, drawing up BS to cover up the real problems.
I thought Reps were supposed to reduce goverment spending? Reduce goverment intervention? Nothing has been done. Since 2001, we have lost more rights, and our economy has lost its buying power, something we havent had since the depression. In 8 years, we have managed to throw away 80 years of progress to fight terror in a country where there was no terrorists till we decied to launch a massive invasion IN WHICH WE WERE NOT PROVOKED!!
Bush and his team had single handedly mislead this nation into war.
But ****...god for bid the Gays get married.
God forbid women have the right to chose
Reps have been blowing smoke up our asses for 8 years.
It took 8 years to un**** the Rep's mistakes before, and now it will probably take 8 to 12 years to fix it this time.

[SteveR]

Yet somehow that's all the Republican's fault?

It's about accountability. The major problems that have transpired in this country over the last eight years are directly tied to the judgment, policies, plans, and programs that the Bush Administration has put into place. You cant blame Obama for Gitmo, you cant blame the Dems for Abu Grab, you cant blame Biden for a 12 trillion dollar spending bill, you cant blame the Democrats for approving torture, you cant blame the Democrats for war crimes, and you cant blame the Democrats for pretending like braking the law is perfectly acceptable. The problem with this administration, and America today, is a total lack of accountability. Nobody takes responsibility for any of their actions. Its always somebody else's fault, or theres a perfectly good reason for breaking the law.

[Frosty]

It's about accountability. The major problems that have transpired in this country over the last eight years are directly tied to the judgment, policies, plans, and programs that the Bush Administration has put into place. You cant blame Obama for Gitmo, you cant blame the Dems for Abu Grab, you cant blame Biden for a 12 trillion dollar spending bill, you cant blame the Democrats for approving torture, you cant blame the Democrats for war crimes, and you cant blame the Democrats for pretending like braking the law is perfectly acceptable. The problem with this administration, and America today, is a total lack of accountability. Nobody takes responsibility for any of their actions. Its always somebody else's fault, or theres a perfectly good reason for breaking the law.

Neither side has had accountability for years man. It goes from our government all the way down to the average citizen.

[LS1Hawk]

We gave out billions of dollars that are not ours, to give to Americans to spend, and the economy is still in the ****ter.

The economy is showing signs of rebounding. And the stimulus checks seem to have helped out. It was just reported yesterday that in the second quarter (when most Americans received their stimulus checks) the GDP grew at a faster-than-expected-rate of 3.3%, due in part to rising exports, falling imports, more consumer spending and less inventory reduction.

[SteveR]

Neither side has had accountability for years man. It goes from our government all the way down to the average citizen.

You're exactly right. It's been a pandemic problem for decades. Hell, centuries. The first president of record that stuck his nose up at the law, due process, and the Constitution was Andrew Jackson. However, nowhere in our history has any leader ever even come close to the level of sheer tyranny that has taken place over the last 8 years.

[Frosty]

Voting for the war, and creating the reasons to go to war are two very vast and different things.
Well, when there was a Republican Congress with Bush in the office, the economy tanked. Only now do we see the aftermath of thier decisions.
The Dem congress was just recent, only 2 out of the past 8 years have we had that available to us.
We still have a Right Wing President to veto any bill that might help us out.

We gave out billions of dollars that are not ours, to give to Americans to spend,a nd the economy is still in the ****ter.

How about the TRILLION dollars we are pouring into Iraq to be in WORSE SHAPE then when Saddam was in office? How about the millions of dollars that have just suddenly disappeared in Iraq?
That's gotta be the Dem Congress's fault.

We can go back and forth on this, but the fact still stands, this country has been for a long time in the ****ter, and its not cause of Clinton getting a blow job.
Im sick and tired of the Reps making excuses, drawing up BS to cover up the real problems.
I thought Reps were supposed to reduce goverment spending? Reduce goverment intervention? Nothing has been done. Since 2001, we have lost more rights, and our economy has lost its buying power, something we havent had since the depression. In 8 years, we have managed to throw away 80 years of progress to fight terror in a country where there was no terrorists till we decied to launch a massive invasion IN WHICH WE WERE NOT PROVOKED!!
Bush and his team had single handedly mislead this nation into war.
But ****...god for bid the Gays get married.
God forbid women have the right to chose
Reps have been blowing smoke up our asses for 8 years.
It took 8 years to un**** the Rep's mistakes before, and now it will probably take 8 to 12 years to fix it this time.

I dislike Bush as much as the next person and of course he and his cronies made mistakes...but to blame the entire mess we're in solely on him is very biased. You complain about the money we're spending in Iraq(and it's certainly a valid point) yet the Dems voted for it, and with their bigger government ideas prove that they're going to spend just as much. Obama keeps preaching change...yet he plans on spending an ass load of $$ on big government programs which proves he's just like every other scumbag politician out there. I wanted to believe that he's different, I wanted to have faith in the left but the more I try to believe the more disgusted I become.

I really wish a 3rd party would gain some recognition and spotlight. I'm tired of being stuck in the middle. The hardcore right is too right for me and the left...forget it....

[SteveR]

Obama keeps preaching change...yet he plans on spending an ass load of $$ on big government programs which proves he's just like every other scumbag politician out there.

Except his spending plans are public works projects. Plans to create jobs, reinvest in American businesses, and employ Americans.

[Frosty]

Except his spending plans are public works projects. Plans to create jobs, reinvest in American businesses, and employ Americans.

Not all of them man, not even close. I don't like his tax plans, I don't like his idea of basically getting off of oil completely, a fuel that has worked for decades. We can't just stop using it at the snap of a finger.

But enough about that, no need to bash one single person. I'd rather bash Pelosi and her oh so great effective Congress. ;)

[Savage_Messiah]

1-first off she is a mother of 5 eldest son on his way to irak she understands what it means to have a boy over their in harms way
2 - Alaska in the most environmentally conscious state in the union and she won the job by pointing out the corrupt stuff that had been going on by the Washington insiders
3- with in a few weeks and days you might hear she is a no nonsense person who gets the job done and is not looking to be patted on the back
4-having a non Washington insider like biden is for sure is a big plus with real Americans today away from the metros like NYC and LA i could go on but i think you should look for your self before you automatically point a blind finger

1. Biden was the father of four, his one child and wife killed in a car accident, and his son is also in the Army and is headed off to Iraq

2. Yet she is a strong supporter of the idea of turning Alaska into Linden, by digging the state up and drilling for oil, and is a supporter and voted for the largest natural gas pipeline system in North America in Alaska.

3. Gets the job done? lol What, in the year and a half shes actually had a job in major politics?

4. I have looked, and I study, evaluate, and listen. And I conclude that this is a sexist, insulting, superficial nomination that undermines the very integrity of both the office of the Vice President, and that of the President of the United States of America itself.

1) And her 5th kid, that she just had, has down syndrome. Shouldn't her priority be on making sure she has as much time as possible to make sure all is well with her newborn, ill child?

2) Pointed out corruption, guess it's a "takes one to know one" scenario and that's why she's under investigation now in Alaska for abuse of power? http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165

3) Or her cluelessness as to what the job even entitles (check the first link in this thread, or I can find you many more sources for this) may be what is revealed to everyone.



And ouch. Searching around an Alaskan TV website, I just found this: http://www.ktva.com/ci_10337913

If McCain hoped to stop Democrats from getting much mileage out of the oil issue in this presidential election, he picked the wrong vice presidential candidate.
His choice, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, comes from a state whose lifeblood is oil. Palin favors opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil and gas development, something McCain opposes. Her family even gets one of its paychecks from the oil industry: Palin's husband, Todd Palin, earned $46,790 last year as a facility operator for BP Alaska in Prudhoe Bay."

Campaign contributions Palin collected earlier in her political career could also provide fodder for Democratic campaign ads, tying her to an Alaska Republican political scandal from which she has tried to distance herself.
Palin raised at least $4,500 for her unsuccessful 2002 campaign for lieutenant governor from executives of VECO Corp., an oil services contractor at the heart of a massive influence-peddling investigation. Alaska Republican Sen. Ted Stevens is accused of accepting more than $250,000 in home renovations and gifts from VECO executives and failing to disclose them on his annual financial statements; the senator says he is innocent. Palin received $500 each from nine VECO executives in December 2001, including then-CEO Bill Allen, who last year pleaded guilty to federal conspiracy, bribery and tax charges and agreed to cooperate in the corruption investigation.

[enRo]

The more I hear and read about elections, the more I want to move to Cuba where power changes every 50 or so years :roll:

[SStealth2k]

I love how everyone is making this election about Bush, It's not about him and not about who can point out his mistakes. It's about the candidates now, not Bush. And no McCain is not going to be another George Bush, It's just easy to point fingers because you dislike him.

[johnjzjz]

now that Mc Cain has assured a victory with his VP pick i am not going to banter with the younger crew who knows it ( all ) i understand believe me , i have learned that in my house over many years , i have 3 kids now all in their thirty's and i am not so dumb any more, maybe its that they woke up < because i have not changed - single and foot loose you can believe what ever it is that rows your boat, being married buy a house start a family, and over many elections you see what is going on, its different than what the professor blathered BUT you wont get their closed minded, and Looking back wards at President Bush as the fault of all evil in your world is immature - the skinny dude can talk a good game, but in my life time, i never met a talker to be able to do 1/2 of what he sayes, the term money talks bu(( ^%$ walks come to mind, but i do believe their are many like me who dont understand being told by him he can fix everything for everyone, he has an answer you can grab on to for everything but many cant be swayed by the talking stump, been their before and we are no better off today with both sides in charge, and BTW both sides are in charge all you have to do is look, and get over it we will be drilling in Alaska and off shore in many places, and its the dudes bidding the fuel prices who have caused the winfall profits not the oil company's -- jz