VERY Noob-like Question

[Fire_Chicken92]

What's the f stand for anyway? Or was it just a random letter they picked? WOW do I sound like a noob.. But its okay I am :nod:

[bubba428]

nobody knows...its like why is the sky blue, some people say because the ocean some say because the moisture in the air...but nobody really knows...kinda like whats really in your chinesse food from a place in camden

[SteveR]

Al will know the answer to this.

[bubba428]

Al will know the answer to this.

Al knows every useless GM fact you could ever think of asking...and knowbody knows why :rofl:

[SteveR]

Al is like the Oracle of Delphi with GM knowledge lol

[Fire_Chicken92]

I hope he will know BECAUSE I can't NOT know.. I think tmr I'll call GM or something lmao. They would know?

[SteveR]

I hope he will know BECAUSE I can't NOT know.. I think tmr I'll call GM or something lmao. They would know?

I would certainly hope so :lol:

[bubba428]

nope...they would be like "WTF is an F-body...o0o you mean those old things...I don't ****ing know, ask Al"

[SteveR]

:rofl:

[Fire_Chicken92]

lmao! OKAY so someone make sure Al sees my question, maybe we r all wondering now lol

[bubba428]

I really don't care what they call the body...all I know is I need to build another V8 car

[SteveR]

I'm wondering if they are going to call the new Camaro an F-Body.

[bubba428]

nope probably still a Zeta

[SteveR]

Zeta-Body sounds silly.

[bubba428]

so does every other designation...what do you want them to call it? big ben and rubber duck?

[SteveR]

so does every other designation...what do you want them to call it? big ben and rubber duck?

thats the coolest name Ive ever heard. Can you see it?!

Your eyes widen as you walk through the dealership doors, almost in slow motion, you can hear the faint sounds of music playing in the background, as the crowd seems to part as you make your way to the center of the showroom floor, like a little kid, you grin as the sheen off the fresh paint sparkles in your eyes, as the salesman greats you, he asks, "would you like to sit in the new 2010 big ben and rubber duck!"



:rofl:

[bubba428]

hahaha CONVOY FTW!!!!!!!

[79CamaroDiva]

As far as i know (and maybe al can correct me) F is just a letter designation for the platform that the car is based off of, sort of like Monte Carlo and GN's are G-Bodys, Sunfire and Cavalier are J-Bodys, Mopar had A, B, C, and E-Bodies, etc.. I think they ran out of letters and are now using latin or greek letters (ie, Zeta)

[Tsar]

nobody knows...its like why is the sky blue, some people say because the ocean some say because the moisture in the air...but nobody really knows...kinda like whats really in your chinesse food from a place in camden

Actually its just you. Us, humans, know why the sky is blue.

The blue color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering. As light moves through the atmosphere, most of the longer wavelengths pass straight through. Little of the red, orange and yellow light is affected by the air.

However, much of the shorter wavelength light is absorbed by the gas molecules. The absorbed blue light is then radiated in different directions. It gets scattered all around the sky. Whichever direction you look, some of this scattered blue light reaches you. Since you see the blue light from everywhere overhead, the sky looks blue. As you look closer to the horizon, the sky appears much paler in color. To reach you, the scattered blue light must pass through more air. Some of it gets scattered away again in other directions. Less blue light reaches your eyes. The color of the sky near the horizon appears paler or white.

Ocean? wtf are you smoking?

/As you were...

[Fire_Chicken92]

so what are they gonna use wehn they run out of greek letters? lol i guess we are all gonna have to take a crash course in arabic to pronounce the next set..

[BigAls87Z28]

Thank you Melissa.

F is just a randon designation for the chassis that the Camaro and Firebird were built on. If you know GM history, chassis had letter designations, and that went on till about 2004 when we first saw Sigma and Epsilon. Sigma is under the CTS, STS and SRX while Epsilon is part of the new Greek naming system. Epsilon platform underpins the Chevy Malibu, Pontiac G6, Saturn Aura, and a special Euro version is built fo rthe 9-3 and another version sits under the now dead Opel/Vauxhaul Vectra.
The old letter system was just a matter putting letters next to chassis.
A body - Chevelle, El Camino, Lemans/GTO, Cutlass/442, Skylark/GS
B body - Full size chassis, Caprice, Impala, Bonni, other large sedans
F body - Camaro and Firebird
X body - Nova and other "compacts"
G body was a RWD platform for the 80s then turned into a FWD full size sedan platform in the 90's to present (Caddy DTS and Buick Lucerne)
W body - Chevy Impala, Monte Carlo, LaCrosse, and former Grand Prix
Y Body - Corvette/Z06/ZR1 and XLR/XLR-V


Since im on a roll and i dont want to deal with teh 400 customers in front of me, Ill keep going.
Modern platforms are now in there second generation.
Gamma- upcoming Aveo and new Saturn Corsa
Delta- Cobalt, HHR and G5
Delta 2- new Chevy Cruze and Volt, Saturn Astra, Saab 9-3, G5 replacement, 7 seater HHR replacement.
Epsilon - listed above
Epsilon 2- Next gen Malibu, new Buick LaX, G6 replacement, next gen Saab 9-5.
Zeta/VE- Camaro, G8 V6/GT/ST/GXP

Then you have the number platforms for trucks, usually start with GMT. GMT900 is the new designation for the new trucks and suv's.
But there are also some Greek chassis for crossovers and compact SUV's.
Theta is the platform for the current Equinox, old Vue, and Pontiac Torrent
New Vue is an updated European model
Theta has jumped into 3 versions
Theta Epsilon - Vue
Theta 2 - upcoming Equinox and GMC Terrain
Theta Lux- upcoming Caddy SRX and Saab 9-4x.

Then there are the Lambda crossover vans, Traverse, Acadia, Outlook and Enclave.

Thaaat should cover it.

[GP99GT]

G body was a RWD platform for the 80s then turned into a FWD full size sedan platform in the 90's to present.

No longer called G-body once it went FWD though, it was W-body from there. grand prix, monte carlo, bonneville, regal

[WildBillyT]

The F itself doesn't mean anything. Just like an RPO code.

[BigAls87Z28]

No longer called G-body once it went FWD though, it was W-body from there. grand prix, monte carlo, bonneville, regal

There is a G body. G body is a large FWD platform that, like I said...sits under the Caddy DTS and Buick Lucerne. It also sat under the Bonnie.

W body replaced the Grand Prix, Monte, and all the car I listed above.

[Fire_Chicken92]

mad. interesting :shock:

[GP99GT]

There is a G body. G body is a large FWD platform that, like I said...sits under the Caddy DTS and Buick Lucerne. It also sat under the Bonnie.

W body replaced the Grand Prix, Monte, and all the car I listed above.

youre a large FWD platform

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl:

[SteveR]

hahahhahaha

[WildBillyT]

There's a J-Body, too. Cavaliers and Sunfires.

[Knipps]

:kneeslap: Matt that was priceless.

[12secondv6]

youre a large FWD platform


:rofl::rofl:

[Featherburner]

The original G body was not the 80's regal, cutlass, and grand prix. The original G body was the late 60's and early 70's Grand Prix and Monte Carlo.

[BigAls87Z28]

Oh yeah...how could I forget.
J body made a good car, but GM just didnt keep it up to date with the rest of the compacts.

[WildBillyT]

Oh yeah...how could I forget.
J body made a good car, but GM just didnt keep it up to date with the rest of the compacts.

J-Bodies are easy to forget LOL.

[DevilDougWS6]

should be a sticky :)

[Tru2Chevy]

There is a G body. G body is a large FWD platform that, like I said...sits under the Caddy DTS and Buick Lucerne. It also sat under the Bonnie.

W body replaced the Grand Prix, Monte, and all the car I listed above.

No....90's Bonnie's were called an H-body. 1/2 step up from the W body, 1/2 step down from the "new" G body.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

H and G are interchangeable, neither platform is worth wasting internet space on.

[Z28Justin]

The F itself doesn't mean anything. Just like an RPO code.

yea just like Z28, no real meaning just an rpo ordering code for the dealerships.

[JerzyIroc]

youre a large FWD platform


:rofl::rofl::rofl: this thread is too effin funny. i cant wait to read it when im drunk later

[V]

post whores

[PolarBear]

What platform is the Solstice/Sky/GT Roadster?

[BigAls87Z28]

Kappa. Kappa is a great parts bin car. Rear diff from the last Sigma, Brakes and hubs from the Epsilon car, some Delta front end stuff, auto trans from Sigma (as well as BMW btw) manual trans from the 355 trucks, seats from GM Brazil.

Alpha will be built along the same lines, just wont be a full framed car like Kappa is.

[Untamed]

Kappa? There was a thread about that somewhere in the lounge.

[PolarBear]

Alpha will be built along the same lines, just wont be a full framed car like Kappa is.

My car has a full frame? I assumed a uni-body, or does it have full frame rails on the uni-body?

[CHRIS67]

See what you started Fire Chicken. :fight:

Hey, what is your avatar doing? :banana: I hope that isn't anyones sister here.

[BonzoHansen]

See what you started Fire Chicken. :fight:

Hey, what is your avatar doing? :banana: I hope that isn't anyones sister here.

http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?p=484035#post484035

[BigAls87Z28]

Kappa? There was a thread about that somewhere in the lounge.

The 2nd generation Kappa has been canned. That doesnt mean that the Solstice or Sky is dead, it just means it wont be built off the 2nd gen Kappa platform.
Its been rumored that Kappa cars will shift to Alpha.


My car has a full frame? I assumed a uni-body, or does it have full frame rails on the uni-body?

http://www.theraceforum.com/images/forum/3084-9-1.jpg

[PolarBear]

http://www.theraceforum.com/images/forum/3084-9-1.jpg

Yeah I have a picture similar to that, so it is still a uni-body similar to the vette. If they had only made the chassis out of aluminum like the Elise the weight would have been a lot less :drool:

[CHRIS67]

:kneeslap: She's kissing a dog! I got to get my mind out of the gutter.

[BigAls87Z28]

It would also cost 40k....
There is also talk that the next gen C7 platform will ALSO be used to make a Kappa replacement. Since C7 is going to get much smaller and lighter, expect to see a Solstice sized C7 with a 370-400hp V8 between the fenders.

[SteveR]

It would also cost 40k....
There is also talk that the next gen C7 platform will ALSO be used to make a Kappa replacement. Since C7 is going to get much smaller and lighter, expect to see a Solstice sized C7 with a 370-400hp V8 between the fenders.

whaaaaat, a Corvette Maita? lol

[PolarBear]

It would also cost 40k....

The Lotus actually only costs about 12,000£ which would be about $28,000. There is no reason the Solstice couldnt be done for the same amount. Only reason the Lotus costs so much is because of import taxes and the Toyota engine in it. The Rover engine they were originally equipped with would not pass emmissions.

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah. Targets for C7 is sub 3k lbs but better power to weight ratio. Wallace, Corvette Manager wants this car light and fit. Expect to see a size and weight difference similar to what you saw from the C5 to C6. This is how GM plans to keep Corvette within CAFE's new requirements.
So all the people that liked the idea of a V8 Solstice...2012 is your year. Only its gunna have a cross flags and bowties. It will probably introduce the direct injected Gen V smallblocks unless Camaro gets it first.

[BigAls87Z28]

The Lotus actually only costs about 12,000£ which would be about $28,000. There is no reason the Solstice couldnt be done for the same amount. Only reason the Lotus costs so much is because of import taxes and the Toyota engine in it. The Rover engine they were originally equipped with would not pass emmissions.

Hrm..the frame cost for the C6 Z06/ZR1 made of aluminum vs the cost of teh steel was soooo much, they outsourced it to another company to make it, and they have to keep it under a certain number or else the costs of tooling would double and the Corvette would lose all profits.
It wont happen.

[PolarBear]

Hrm..the frame cost for the C6 Z06/ZR1 made of aluminum vs the cost of teh steel was soooo much, they outsourced it to another company to make it, and they have to keep it under a certain number or else the costs of tooling would double and the Corvette would lose all profits.
It wont happen.

One can dream. I am only trying to compare apples here, some stuff the General is overpriced, or too complicated. I dont understand why Lotus (a small company and a low production car) can do it and one of the "Big 3" cant

[SteveR]

One can dream. I am only trying to compare apples here, some stuff the General is overpriced, or too complicated. I dont understand why Lotus (a small company and a low production car) can do it and one of the "Big 3" cant

Isn't/wasn't Lotus owned by GM? I know they were bought out in the late 80s/early 90s, I thought it was GM. Not sure what the current status is though.

Lotus is fairly big in Europe. I know I've seen a good amount of them in Germany and Austria.

[PolarBear]

Isn't/wasn't Lotus owned by GM? I know they were bought out in the late 80s/early 90s, I thought it was GM. Not sure what the current status is though.

Lotus is fairly big in Europe. I know I've seen a good amount of them in Germany and Austria.

Not sure about the ownership by GM. I believe they own themselves now.

They may be "big" in europe but I think the production numbers are pretty low for all the models they make. It has probably gone up since the Elise is now sold in the US

[BigAls87Z28]

Lotus is owned by some Indonesian company now.

[SteveR]

fitting :lol:

[bubba428]

steve...that was locust....

[SteveR]

steve...that was locust....

I mean Buddhism is a very large religion in Indo-China and East Asia and the lotus flower plays a large part in it, so the fact that Indonesia bought the Lotus, I find quite amusing :lol:

[bubba428]

yea ok...that what you meant haha

[shane27]

i thought the "F" was for flight or maybe even fight.

[Jersyboyy]

:kneeslap: She's kissing a dog! I got to get my mind out of the gutter.

hahah damn hormones

[Savage_Messiah]

H and G are interchangeable, neither platform is worth wasting internet space on.

Excuse me sir?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/1987_Buick_Grand_National.jpg

[NastyEllEssWon]

Thank you Melissa.

F is just a randon designation for the chassis that the Camaro and Firebird were built on. If you know GM history, chassis had letter designations, and that went on till about 2004 when we first saw Sigma and Epsilon. Sigma is under the CTS, STS and SRX while Epsilon is part of the new Greek naming system. Epsilon platform underpins the Chevy Malibu, Pontiac G6, Saturn Aura, and a special Euro version is built fo rthe 9-3 and another version sits under the now dead Opel/Vauxhaul Vectra.
The old letter system was just a matter putting letters next to chassis.
A body - Chevelle, El Camino, Lemans/GTO, Cutlass/442, Skylark/GS
B body - Full size chassis, Caprice, Impala, Bonni, other large sedans
F body - Camaro and Firebird
X body - Nova and other "compacts"
G body was a RWD platform for the 80s then turned into a FWD full size sedan platform in the 90's to present (Caddy DTS and Buick Lucerne)
W body - Chevy Impala, Monte Carlo, LaCrosse, and former Grand Prix
Y Body - Corvette/Z06/ZR1 and XLR/XLR-V


Since im on a roll and i dont want to deal with teh 400 customers in front of me, Ill keep going.
Modern platforms are now in there second generation.
Gamma- upcoming Aveo and new Saturn Corsa
Delta- Cobalt, HHR and G5
Delta 2- new Chevy Cruze and Volt, Saturn Astra, Saab 9-3, G5 replacement, 7 seater HHR replacement.
Epsilon - listed above
Epsilon 2- Next gen Malibu, new Buick LaX, G6 replacement, next gen Saab 9-5.
Zeta/VE- Camaro, G8 V6/GT/ST/GXP

Then you have the number platforms for trucks, usually start with GMT. GMT900 is the new designation for the new trucks and suv's.
But there are also some Greek chassis for crossovers and compact SUV's.
Theta is the platform for the current Equinox, old Vue, and Pontiac Torrent
New Vue is an updated European model
Theta has jumped into 3 versions
Theta Epsilon - Vue
Theta 2 - upcoming Equinox and GMC Terrain
Theta Lux- upcoming Caddy SRX and Saab 9-4x.

Then there are the Lambda crossover vans, Traverse, Acadia, Outlook and Enclave.

Thaaat should cover it.


DAMN NO LOVE FOR MY L BODY ?? BERETTA AND CORSEY'S GET NO LOVE.
THATS WHY IM BUILDING MINE :rofl:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/Jsaul83/PZT13.jpg

WHAT ABOUT THE N BODIES??

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/9047-2000-Pontiac-Grand-Am.jpg


the beretta never got any love. it was actually designed by the same studio as the corvette and the camaro.
when the mustang was going to be replaced by the probe, chevy designed the beretta to replace the camaro.
it never happened but both cars were still produced. the beretta quad 4 gtz has about
190hp in its best configuration ran low to mid 15s.

Leaving out the N bodies your also forgetting about the Cutlass Quad 442 w41 5 speed capable of doing mid to high 14s in stock trim.

http://www.442.com/vcs/1973_pres/casey.gif


nobody loves the gm fwd cars but me :moon::rofl::rofl:

[NastyEllEssWon]

in case if anyone cares to read about some gm history

http://www.berettastuff.com/reference/proto2.jpg
http://www.berettastuff.com/reference/proto1.jpg
http://www.berettastuff.com/reference/proto3.jpg

[Tru2Chevy]

Bah...you can keep your L and N bodies.....when it comes to old school FWD GM performance it's all about the turbo 3.1 W bodies :)

- Justin

[Jersyboyy]

in case if anyone cares to read about some gm history

http://www.berettastuff.com/reference/proto2.jpg
http://www.berettastuff.com/reference/proto1.jpg
http://www.berettastuff.com/reference/proto3.jpg

Silly L body lover...ill stick with reading about F-BODIES seeing as im on nj F BODY oa.org :-P

[GP99GT]

Bah...you can keep your L and N bodies.....when it comes to old school FWD GM performance it's all about the turbo 3.1 W bodies :)

- Justin

how about a turbo 3.8 W body.....300hp 400tq with just a bolt on turbo kit

[Tru2Chevy]

how about a turbo 3.8 W body.....300hp 400tq with just a bolt on turbo kit

We're talking factory here.....

- Justin

[GP99GT]

We're talking factory here.....

- Justin

ok, 3.8 turbo in the Gbody

[Firebird]

Thank you Melissa.

F is just a randon designation for the chassis that the Camaro and Firebird were built on. If you know GM history, chassis had letter designations, and that went on till about 2004 when we first saw Sigma and Epsilon. Sigma is under the CTS, STS and SRX while Epsilon is part of the new Greek naming system. Epsilon platform underpins the Chevy Malibu, Pontiac G6, Saturn Aura, and a special Euro version is built fo rthe 9-3 and another version sits under the now dead Opel/Vauxhaul Vectra.
The old letter system was just a matter putting letters next to chassis.
A body - Chevelle, El Camino, Lemans/GTO, Cutlass/442, Skylark/GS
B body - Full size chassis, Caprice, Impala, Bonni, other large sedans
F body - Camaro and Firebird
X body - Nova and other "compacts"
G body was a RWD platform for the 80s then turned into a FWD full size sedan platform in the 90's to present (Caddy DTS and Buick Lucerne)
W body - Chevy Impala, Monte Carlo, LaCrosse, and former Grand Prix
Y Body - Corvette/Z06/ZR1 and XLR/XLR-V


Since im on a roll and i dont want to deal with teh 400 customers in front of me, Ill keep going.
Modern platforms are now in there second generation.
Gamma- upcoming Aveo and new Saturn Corsa
Delta- Cobalt, HHR and G5
Delta 2- new Chevy Cruze and Volt, Saturn Astra, Saab 9-3, G5 replacement, 7 seater HHR replacement.
Epsilon - listed above
Epsilon 2- Next gen Malibu, new Buick LaX, G6 replacement, next gen Saab 9-5.
Zeta/VE- Camaro, G8 V6/GT/ST/GXP

Then you have the number platforms for trucks, usually start with GMT. GMT900 is the new designation for the new trucks and suv's.
But there are also some Greek chassis for crossovers and compact SUV's.
Theta is the platform for the current Equinox, old Vue, and Pontiac Torrent
New Vue is an updated European model
Theta has jumped into 3 versions
Theta Epsilon - Vue
Theta 2 - upcoming Equinox and GMC Terrain
Theta Lux- upcoming Caddy SRX and Saab 9-4x.

Then there are the Lambda crossover vans, Traverse, Acadia, Outlook and Enclave.

Thaaat should cover it.

you forgot E Bodys

[BigAls87Z28]

Thats not the G body I was talking about.
BOF RWD G bodies are different. They could have been a lot more, but failed to the growing population of unibody FWD cars.
Thank the Taurus for the death of the RWD G body.

I forgot a lot of obscure platforms, such as the P Body, the Fiero only chassis.
I named the big ones....