The Car Of Tomorrow: 2011 Chevy Volt

[BigAls87Z28]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/08/breaking-2011-chevy-volt-revealed/

Everyone broke Embargo and posted the pics WAY too soon.
And its NOT shapped like a Prius...unlike the new Honda Insight.

Looks good, but i think I like that dark blue/purplish Volt from the upcoming Transformer movie...

[Knipps]

[url]And its NOT shapped like a Prius...unlike the new Honda Insight.

You're right, it doesn't look like the Prius, it looks like the latest Civic.

Volt: (www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/09/001_2011chevyvolt.jpg)
Civic: (www.speedsportlife.com/photopost/data/1087/thumbs/2007_Civic_Hybrid_01.jpg)

[Tsar]

+1 for ugly

[Savage_Messiah]

What, did they want to prove that they can both be faithful to the concept in the camaro and totally, completely disregard major concept styling cues on this car?

To back up Knipps' point:
Volt: http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/09/medium_2839787025_eacaa64aef_o.jpg

Civis: http://www.ryanhonda.net/images/2008%20Honda%20Civic%20Sedan.jpg

Insight: http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/09/medium_2828083074_a8827d6c8d_o.jpg




Can I go buy GM badges at the Honda dealer yet?



Oh yeah and, who the hell would pay $40k for this???

[NastyEllEssWon]

why is a thin andy reid standing next to it :mrgreen:

[LS1Hawk]

Concept was 10x better looking. And what's with all the bozos standing by the car? I don't need to see them.

[NastyEllEssWon]

you never noticed this????

http://www.autobytel.com/images/2006/chevrolet/cobalt_ss/400/2006_Chevrolet_Cobalt_SS_exfrpass34.jpg
http://highredlineracing.com/images/06%20Honda%20Civic%20SI.jpg

[WildBillyT]

Gee, somebody is ripping of a Japanese design instead of the other way around...

[qwikz28]

guys, you guys are really picking at straws at this point (or whatever the phrase is). is it possible that all these hybrids look the same because of wind resistance?

[BigAls87Z28]

You guys suck. **** you all

Volt concept was horrible in the wind tunnel. It was actually better when they turned it around and the rear faced foward.

[NJSPEEDER]

It is just another soon to die electric car. Styling doesn't matter.

[Tsar]

guys, you guys are really picking at straws at this point (or whatever the phrase is). is it possible that all these hybrids look the same because of wind resistance?

Is it possible that we just think that this thing is fugly? Would YOU pay 40k for it? I know I wouldn't!

[Knipps]

You guys suck. **** you all

What? I agreed with you. It doesn't look like the prius. :rofl:

[Rich189]

Looks horrible i would never pay 40k for that... maybe 20 and thats only because of the insane gas mileage. The windows would have to have 5% tint because i would be embarrassed to be seen in it

[BigAls87Z28]

Well, I dont take any of what you guys have to say as far as automotive styling seriously.

As for the car...again, so far public reaction is pretty good on the car. Its a hell of a lot more aerodynamic then the concept was.
Its more then just an electric car Tim. If people can leghump Toyota for the now antiquated Prius, people have sexual relations with this car.

[Knipps]

Well, I dont take any of what you guys have to say as far as automotive styling seriously.

As for the car...again, so far public reaction is pretty good on the car. Its a hell of a lot more aerodynamic then the concept was.
Its more then just an electric car Tim. If people can leghump Toyota for the now antiquated Prius, people have sexual relations with this car.

:orlyflag:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zu0vAMkpag

[NJSPEEDER]

Al, I have trouble seeing a society that prides itself on being unencumbered and free to roam turning around and stopping to charge their car after an hour of driving. It is just a truth of American culture.

Plenty of people have tried to sell similar things before, mostly without the marketing presence or federal subsidies of GM, and none of them found success. The styling and the principal can be as perfectly on point as you want, there is still no way that the average American is going to replace a car that they can dump the kids on the go into and drive anywhere with a sluggish, low range, over priced compact filled with weird new gadgets that their trusted mechanic can't fix.

That is the argument against before we even get into a discussion about battery life and service. How many people are going to leave the car in charge, uninterrupted for long enough to condition the batteries? How many cycles before the batteries go to crap? What landfill are you going to dump all the battery waste product in?

Electric vehicles are more of a novelty for the well to do, uber-hippy with no place to actually go than they ever will be for those of us who actually work for a living.

[Jersyboyy]

:orlyflag:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zu0vAMkpag

where do you come up with these things knipps? That was out right hilarious!:rofl:

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

where do you come up with these things knipps? That was out right hilarious!:rofl:

You haven't seen the half of it...he has wayyy too much time on his hands.

[SteveR]

How long is the battery life on it? How far can you drive on one charge? Whats the recharge time?

[SteveR]

Gee, somebody is ripping of a Japanese design instead of the other way around...

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2004-05-20-aveo_x.htm

:lol: Add the Aveo to that list.

[NastyEllEssWon]

that car wont take off. its just like chevy arriving late to the party with nothing new to show for it. the new gen camaro took forever to come out while ford has trounced all the young sales. the volt concept was at least original, this is just the same old pile on a new patch of grass.

[BigAls87Z28]

Al, I have trouble seeing a society that prides itself on being unencumbered and free to roam turning around and stopping to charge their car after an hour of driving. It is just a truth of American culture.

But thats the beauty of this car. The initial charge will only take you 40miles, but then after that the onboard engine comes on and acts like a power generator, creating electricity for your car to go another 400-600 miles!! So you dont NEED to plug it in!
But this car is not for the people that are going on long distance trips. These cars are for the 73% of Americans that travel under 40 miles round trip to work. These people will probaby never have to fill up for months.

Plenty of people have tried to sell similar things before, mostly without the marketing presence or federal subsidies of GM, and none of them found success. The styling and the principal can be as perfectly on point as you want, there is still no way that the average American is going to replace a car that they can dump the kids on the go into and drive anywhere with a sluggish, low range, over priced compact filled with weird new gadgets that their trusted mechanic can't fix.

Oh yeah? Someone explain to me why the Prius outsells the Mustang then if no one wants a small compact hybrid with tons of gadgets.

That is the argument against before we even get into a discussion about battery life and service. How many people are going to leave the car in charge, uninterrupted for long enough to condition the batteries? How many cycles before the batteries go to crap? What landfill are you going to dump all the battery waste product in?

Battery life and durability is what is currently being tested, and so far GM has not come across any problems. They have been waiting for problems, but every long distance durability testing shows no problem, and they have driven prototypes in Alaska to Death Valley.

Electric vehicles are more of a novelty for the well to do, uber-hippy with no place to actually go than they ever will be for those of us who actually work for a living.

Hopefully all the asshat movie stars and greenie people will come out and praise this vehicle and GM like they did witht he Prius and Toytoa.

How long is the battery life on it? How far can you drive on one charge? Whats the recharge time?

Battery charge should get you 40 miles. Recharge time will depend on the time of day as the car will know when there is a higher rate of draw from the grid durring say July 4th when its 105* out, then a Sept 30th when its 72* out at night.
Recharge time will varry based on that info.

[Knipps]

where do you come up with these things knipps? That was out right hilarious!:rofl:

I'm a big fan of that comedy team and whey used to have their own show full of all sorts of skits. I actually just saw that one the other day off their facebook page or something :lol:

[SteveR]

Is it electric only? 40 miles wont get people anywhere.

[WildBillyT]

Is it electric only? 40 miles wont get people anywhere.

That will get me to and from work every day.

[SteveR]

That will get me to and from work every day.

I'm sure it'll work for some people, but not in rural areas, and not for most people in NJ as most of everybody commutes longer distances each day. My commute is 50 miles each way, and I know there are a lot of people in NJ alone that commute a lot farther than that. Maybe it'll work for old people that only go to the store, doctor, and bingo, but then with the state of Social Security and retirement, and inflation, I doubt they'll have enough money to buy a new car either.

[Knipps]

But thats the beauty of this car. The initial charge will only take you 40miles, but then after that the onboard engine comes on and acts like a power generator, creating electricity for your car to go another 400-600 miles!! So you dont NEED to plug it in!
But this car is not for the people that are going on long distance trips. These cars are for the 73% of Americans that travel under 40 miles round trip to work. These people will probaby never have to fill up for months.

Just quoting for Steve.. you miss that part?

[SteveR]

Just quoting for Steve.. you miss that part?

oh ok, I didnt see that. That makes more sense now :lol: Ignore my retardedness

[Knipps]

Figured that'd help clear some things up ;)

[Savage_Messiah]

These people will probaby never have to fill up for months.

...moisture in tank?

[BigAls87Z28]

They actually decreased the size of the tank from the normal 15 gallons to 7 so that there would be less tank to fill up and less gas to go bad if you dont use it.

[edpontiac91]

Gee, somebody is ripping of a Japanese design instead of the other way around...

I think the HONDA design is 100% better looking. Plus it's going to take QUITE awhile to see if the dependability and quality will match THAT Japanese company!

[edpontiac91]

You guys suck. **** you all

Volt concept was horrible in the wind tunnel. It was actually better when they turned it around and the rear faced foward.

Al, if GM came out with a FOOD line, is that all you would eat, even if it tasted like CRAP. GM has made some of the worst cars(during the mid-80's)and granted they have come a LONG way in improving their products, but the competition has some really great cars. I have been a GM fan forever, but just take a look at the entire BUICK lineup. I have a dealer friend who tells me they have models in stock for OVER 230 days. Or how about the PLAIN VANILLA look of the "NEW" Monte Carlo and Impala or the Grand Prix. VERY BLAND looking cars that only the rental fleets are interested in. How badly did they "F" up when they dropped the ball on the 2002 Firebird and Camaro and gave it ALL to FORD's Mustang. They must have come up with about 387 variations and almost everyone has sold out.

[BigAls87Z28]

They didnt give it all to Ford. I dont see everyone here trading thier 4th gens in for Mustangs.
Buick's line up is sad, and outside of the Enclave, they havent made a really great car in a over 20 years. The new LaCrosse should change that though
Monte and GP are dead.
GMs coming up with better stuff every day.

[LS1Hawk]

I commute over 50 miles each day as well. Also, GM is saying that you just plug in the Volt to allow it to charge overnight. Okay. But what if you don't have a garage and leave your car outside? Or live in an Urban area and have to park on the street? Unless they start putting outlets in curbs, it's not going to be practical for everyone.

[edpontiac91]

They didnt give it all to Ford. I dont see everyone here trading thier 4th gens in for Mustangs.
Buick's line up is sad, and outside of the Enclave, they havent made a really great car in a over 20 years. The new LaCrosse should change that though
Monte and GP are dead.
GMs coming up with better stuff every day.

True on the Fbody loyals, but take at look at the Blue and White design on the GT500, or some of the ROUSH models or the Gurney Limited Edition and they are SHARP looking. EVER HEAR one of those cars on the street. Sounds like a NASCAR going by. Yeah the price is up there, but I could see myself in one of those cars in a HEARTBEAT(sorry for the OF AMERICA)slogan. Getting back to the Fbody's for a second. When I was street driving my 1991 Formula, you really had to love the car, with all its repair problems(starters-altenator-rear disc brakes-switches-rattles-TPI codes etc.).

[BigAls87Z28]

I commute over 50 miles each day as well. Also, GM is saying that you just plug in the Volt to allow it to charge overnight. Okay. But what if you don't have a garage and leave your car outside? Or live in an Urban area and have to park on the street? Unless they start putting outlets in curbs, it's not going to be practical for everyone.

Well, they arent looking to sell it to everyone, they are looking to sell it to the 73% of people that commute less then 40 miles a day.
I did a quick survey at work...I am the only one that travels more then 30 miles to work every day out of 6 sales people, 2 managers, and 17 techs.

[Savage_Messiah]

Al, if GM came out with a FOOD line, is that all you would eat, even if it tasted like CRAP. GM has made some of the worst cars(during the mid-80's)and granted they have come a LONG way in improving their products, but the competition has some really great cars. I have been a GM fan forever, but just take a look at the entire BUICK lineup. I have a dealer friend who tells me they have models in stock for OVER 230 days. Or how about the PLAIN VANILLA look of the "NEW" Monte Carlo and Impala or the Grand Prix. VERY BLAND looking cars that only the rental fleets are interested in. How badly did they "F" up when they dropped the ball on the 2002 Firebird and Camaro and gave it ALL to FORD's Mustang. They must have come up with about 387 variations and almost everyone has sold out.


Just to reiterate... there's no such thing as a new monte or GP

[NastyEllEssWon]

True on the Fbody loyals, but take at look at the Blue and White design on the GT500, or some of the ROUSH models or the Gurney Limited Edition and they are SHARP looking. EVER HEAR one of those cars on the street. Sounds like a NASCAR going by. Yeah the price is up there, but I could see myself in one of those cars in a HEARTBEAT(sorry for the OF AMERICA)slogan. Getting back to the Fbody's for a second. When I was street driving my 1991 Formula, you really had to love the car, with all its repair problems(starters-altenator-rear disc brakes-switches-rattles-TPI codes etc.).


a 91 formula is gonna break down over 10 years later. so do fords. it you like them so much then buy a mustang and kick yourself when you get your ass handed to you by 4th gen camaros.

[edpontiac91]

a 91 formula is gonna break down over 10 years later. so do fords. it you like them so much then buy a mustang and kick yourself when you get your ass handed to you by 4th gen camaros.

Sorry about the time frame. I meant that when I bought the car(it was in 1993)even though it was only 2 years old at that time, it was a hand full keeping ahead of all the problems. I like the new SPECIAL HIGH PERFORMANCE EDITIONS of the Mustang(450+HP)ROUSH/SALEEN etc. Not that I have the cash to buy one, but what does Pontiac or Chevrolet(at the present time)have to compete with them.

[edpontiac91]

Just to reiterate... there's no such thing as a new monte or GP

Again, sorry for the time frame. I meant that when they RESTYLED(a couple of years ago) the Monte Carlo and Impala, the look was that of a gummy bear under a heat lamp. They even streached out the Grand Prix design for so many years, that NOT even the cigar lighter in the car was ever changed. Not exciting or original, but VERY mainstream.:|

[12secondv6]

:barf:

[Tsar]

a 91 formula is gonna break down over 10 years later. so do fords. it you like them so much then buy a mustang and kick yourself when you get your ass handed to you by 4th gen camaros.
Guess What? majority of the people who buy cars don't really care about performance! Shocker, I know.


I guess 73% doesn't include city folk or people that care about the looks of their car. :shrug:

[Tru2Chevy]

I like the new SPECIAL HIGH PERFORMANCE EDITIONS of the Mustang(450+HP)ROUSH/SALEEN etc. Not that I have the cash to buy one, but what does Pontiac or Chevrolet(at the present time)have to compete with them.

Those cars are not built by Ford...they are aftermarket companies offering upgrades for Ford's stock cars.

- Justin

[SteveR]

Those cars are not built by Ford...they are aftermarket companies offering upgrades for Ford's stock cars.

- Justin

That is an interesting point though. Will SLP do a version of the new Camaro? Now that Steve Saleen setup his new company called SMS and has announced SMS Challengers starting later this year offering Challenger's making over 700HP and still under warranty, what will the Camaro have to compete with that market sector?

[Tru2Chevy]

I imagine that we'll find out once the Z28 specs are released. Any aftermarket company is gonna wanna make sure that they one up the top-of-the line factory model.

- Justin

[NJSPEEDER]

That will get me to and from work every day.

Can you afford a car just to go back and forth to work, and then another car to run out and get milk in while the work car charges, and another car for the little lady to drive, and your first gen?

The problem isn't back and forth to work, it is all the other stuff we do, and that doesn't take into account that Americans are commuting further and further every year in the quest for a better income or to live further from the cities.

Electric cars are not a practical solution. The idea is nice and I am sure a lot of tree huggers are jumping up and down in excitement over the latest electric flop to market, but it still won't be an idea the common man can afford to live with, regardless of his enviromental principals.

-Tim

[WildBillyT]

Can you afford a car just to go back and forth to work, and then another car to run out and get milk in while the work car charges, and another car for the little lady to drive, and your first gen?

The problem isn't back and forth to work, it is all the other stuff we do, and that doesn't take into account that Americans are commuting further and further every year in the quest for a better income or to live further from the cities.

Electric cars are not a practical solution. The idea is nice and I am sure a lot of tree huggers are jumping up and down in excitement over the latest electric flop to market, but it still won't be an idea the common man can afford to live with, regardless of his enviromental principals.

-Tim

Absolutely not! That's why I won't buy one. If I wasn't for the steep price and the fact that I would need a backup car I would do it.

If they were cheaper and I had enough money to afford another car for longer trips then I'd go for it.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Ummmm Tim and Bill....it's not just powered by battery. It has a small gas motor and was supposed to get like 100 mpg or something. It can go like 600 miles on a tank or some other ridiculous number. You wouldn't need another car just to go long distances, unless you wanted a bigger one.

[BigAls87Z28]

You wouldnt need a back up car...that is the beauty of this car!

The biggest problem, as seen here, with an electric car is that it needs to be plugged in and charged right?
YOU DONT NEED TO DO THAT! This can be your ONLY car!
The Volt will go farther then 40 miles. You will just now use an onboard engine not to power the wheels, but to act like a generator! And getting about 50 miles per gallon, with 8 gallon tank, thats a 400 mile range, plus the 40.
Tell me what car in your current garage/driveway/whatever gets 440 miles on 8 gallons of gas?
None of them.
/thread

Volt solves the problems of electrical cars of the past.

Obama has already said that if President, 7k rebate for the Volt from the Goverment.
McCain is also talking of major rebate due to American made/ American Company.

[12secondv6]

Dodge Neon gets 100 mpg!

Nuff said!

:moon:

[WildBillyT]

Ummmm Tim and Bill....it's not just powered by battery. It has a small gas motor and was supposed to get like 100 mpg or something. It can go like 600 miles on a tank or some other ridiculous number. You wouldn't need another car just to go long distances, unless you wanted a bigger one.

I recognize this. I was speaking in terms of using it as battery only, therefore getting the most benefit from it being an electric car. After that it seems to me it's like any other high mpg gas powered car. I would still want a backup car for long trips and such because I know that it won't be the most reliable thing in the world, and it looks like it would not be comfortable for me on long trips because I'm a larger person.

[Tru2Chevy]

55 MPG sounds pretty good to me

And as long as dealers don't "market-adjust" the crap out of them, it sounds like we'll be able to pick one up for $30-35k all said and done. Not too shabby. That only leaves the question of service. How much will it cost, and where (besides a dealer) are you gonna be able to get it serviced? How much will new batteries cost in XX years when the current ones die?

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

Batteries, since they are part of the emissions system, are warrantied like every other emission part on your car...150k miles.
There is talk of GM covering the warranty of the battery for longer.

[Tru2Chevy]

Batteries, since they are part of the emissions system, are warrantied like every other emission part on your car...150k miles.
There is talk of GM covering the warranty of the battery for longer.

That's pretty good.

- Justin

[12secondv6]

Batteries, since they are part of the emissions system, are warrantied like every other emission part on your car...150k miles.
There is talk of GM covering the warranty of the battery for longer.

Are you sure? Does GM put this in writing.... for all cars??
I did not know batteries are considered part of the emissions system - is this something new?? Maybe for electric cars?

[Knipps]

I'm pretty sure it's just for the volt. It's not as simple as a regular car where you can swap it and go.

[BigAls87Z28]

Are you sure? Does GM put this in writing.... for all cars??
I did not know batteries are considered part of the emissions system - is this something new?? Maybe for electric cars?

GM doesnt have too...the Goverment did.
Like any emissions control devise, they MUST be coverd under warranty for 100-150k miles or 10 years. Thats every car maker, every model, everything.
The Toyota Prius's hybrid batter and system follows this, as well as every other hybrid car out there.
The 12 volt battery isnt, but the battery that allows these cars to obtain the gas milage range as well as low emissions due to the engine being turned off, must be coverd.
GM has talked since day one about doing something about the batteries. What GM did in the past with the EV1 is lease the car out only as no one wanetd to take on the full responsability of the expense of replacing the battery.

[Kojak]

Why did it take so long to go from this:
http://image.motortrend.com/f/editorial/no-one-killed-the-electric-car-it-was-dead-on-arrival/9804625+cr1+re0+ar1/gm-ev1-front-three-quarter.jpg

to this:
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/09/medium_2839787025_eacaa64aef_o.jpg

Give the hippies their electric car and stfu :lol:...

[Tsar]

Why did it take so long to go from this:
http://image.motortrend.com/f/editorial/no-one-killed-the-electric-car-it-was-dead-on-arrival/9804625+cr1+re0+ar1/gm-ev1-front-three-quarter.jpg

to this:
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/09/medium_2839787025_eacaa64aef_o.jpg

Give the hippies their electric car and stfu :lol:...

Ill take this one instead

http://www.carzi.com/wp-content/uploads/tesla_roadster_1.jpg

[Tru2Chevy]

The Tesla Roadster is nice for sure....but base price is $109k, and IIRC, the total range is ~250 miles.

- Justin

[LS1Hawk]

How "energy efficient" is this car going to be? I keep hearing commercials saying to unplug your PC, clocks, radios, etc. when you're not using them. If everyone has an electric car and we're all charging them up, won't that just be adding to a different problem?

[qwikz28]

How "energy efficient" is this car going to be? I keep hearing commercials saying to unplug your PC, clocks, radios, etc. when you're not using them. If everyone has an electric car and we're all charging them up, won't that just be adding to a different problem?

most people will be charging at night anyways when power usage is minimal

[Tru2Chevy]

If "everyone" had one, it would be a huge issue, since power grids in many larger urban and suburban areas are already being pushed to their limits. But a couple in each neighborhood isn't going to bother anything, and that's the most we can expect anytime in the next several years.

As far as how much it would actually raise your utility bill, I dunno. Would be interesting to see if it would be cheaper to plug it in at night during off peak hours, or let the gas motor recharge the batteries.

- Justin

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

Civis: http://www.ryanhonda.net/images/2008%20Honda%20Civic%20Sedan.jpg


Now thats one hawt Civic!!!! :wink:

[BigAls87Z28]

If "everyone" had one, it would be a huge issue, since power grids in many larger urban and suburban areas are already being pushed to their limits. But a couple in each neighborhood isn't going to bother anything, and that's the most we can expect anytime in the next several years.

As far as how much it would actually raise your utility bill, I dunno. Would be interesting to see if it would be cheaper to plug it in at night during off peak hours, or let the gas motor recharge the batteries.

- Justin

Gas motor wont recharge the batteriers. It will only power the electric motors.
To recharge the batteries, it will just have to be plugged in.
GM is working with the electric companies to make sure that the Volt is aware of what time of the day it is as for the rate of charge it will take.
Mid day in July when its 105* outside, the Volt will take at a lower rate to not put a heavy pull on the grid.
But a cool October night, 68*, the Volt will pull at a higher rate.

[Tru2Chevy]

That's pretty cool....I wonder just how high of a rate it's capable of charging at.

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

Now thats one hawt Civic!!!! :wink:

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead:

[Tsar]

The Tesla Roadster is nice for sure....but base price is $109k, and IIRC, the total range is ~250 miles.

- Justin
If i had the money I would rather buy that Tesla than GM-Honda looking thing. Its just plain ugly, and not worth anywhere near 40k. :shrug:

[79CamaroDiva]

I did a quick survey at work...I am the only one that travels more then 30 miles to work every day out of 6 sales people, 2 managers, and 17 techs.

you work at sears, that is hardly the career choice for most people, let alone anyone doing any kind of commuting. sears are a dime a dozen, of course there isn't going to be much of a commute.

[BigAls87Z28]

Guys I work with have over 30 years with Sears. They have been there since when it was a carreer.
Im not talking about tire installers...Salesman and Mechanics that have been grandfathered into every Sears program for three decades.

[Tsar]

Guys I work with have over 30 years with Sears. They have been there since when it was a carreer.
Im not talking about tire installers...Salesman and Mechanics that have been grandfathered into every Sears program for three decades.

Your "survey" has sample selection bias written all over it, there for it's irrelevant.

[Brando56894]

i was going to say "and its ugly as sin" but it actually doesnt look that bad

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead:

HAHA...I know you are waiting for me to take you for a spin in my hawt whip....hahaha. ;)

[BigAls87Z28]

Your "survey" has sample selection bias written all over it, there for it's irrelevant.

Actually, most if not all of them drive trucks. Dodge, Chevy and Toyota trucks. One guy drives a bike. I dont know what Bias has to do with the location of thier house relative to the location of thier job, or what thier job is has anything to do with it.
Still stands, less then 40 miles round trip for the majority of the people that I work with.

[Tsar]

Actually, most if not all of them drive trucks. Dodge, Chevy and Toyota trucks. One guy drives a bike. I dont know what Bias has to do with the location of thier house relative to the location of thier job, or what thier job is has anything to do with it.
Still stands, less then 40 miles round trip for the majority of the people that I work with.

You are not kidding, are you?

When performing a survey, you have to select RANDOM sample of people not just line up your employees and ask them the same question.

Just like you "surveyed" your employees, I can "survey" Aldi, Inc. employees (DM). You know what their weekly "commute" is? 500 - 1000 miles per week! And just like your "survey" the results of my endeavor can be tossed in the garbage, because it was obviously not a random sample.

Oh and one last thing, surveys with less than 100 people have almost 10% margin of error in them, so they are pretty worthless.

[BigAls87Z28]

You are not kidding, are you?

When performing a survey, you have to select RANDOM sample of people not just line up your employees and ask them the same question.

Just like you "surveyed" your employees, I can "survey" Aldi, Inc. employees (DM). You know what their weekly "commute" is? 500 - 1000 miles per week! And just like your "survey" the results of my endeavor can be tossed in the garbage, because it was obviously not a random sample.

Oh and one last thing, surveys with less than 100 people have almost 10% margin of error in them, so they are pretty worthless.


First off, I wasnt trying to be scientific in my studies. I was not going to perform any type of essay on my findings.
We were all sitting in the break room, and I had a car rag with the Volt on the front cover. I asked them "well...how many of you live within 40 miles of work"

I think you just want to e-fight.
I made a statement that the majorty of the people I work with, that would be about 20 people or so, live within 40 miles of work.

Stop being a douche bag by pulling this **** our of your ass.

[Tsar]

First off, I wasnt trying to be scientific in my studies. I was not going to perform any type of essay on my findings.
We were all sitting in the break room, and I had a car rag with the Volt on the front cover. I asked them "well...how many of you live within 40 miles of work"

I think you just want to e-fight.
I made a statement that the majorty of the people I work with, that would be about 20 people or so, live within 40 miles of work.

Stop being a douche bag by pulling this **** our of your ass.

I don't care much for e-fighting at the moment, and if it was to happen it would be pretty handicapped because you have no clue how to perform a survey anyways.


It doesn't matter how much your Sears employees drive to and from work, they do not represent the rest of the population, therefor they are irrelevant (as any kind of survey sample).

[qwikz28]

I don't care much for e-fighting at the moment, and if it was to happen it would be pretty handicapped because you have no clue how to perform a survey anyways.


It doesn't matter how much your Sears employees drive to and from work, they do not represent the rest of the population, therefor they are irrelevant (as any kind of survey sample).

irregardless, a statistically significant amount of americans travel less than 40 miles round trip to work. it doesn't matter the percentage, but that enough people do drive that little to make the volt an important car.

for example, i waste most of my gas going to and from school everyday which is about 20 miles round trip. if i only had to buy gas for the random days i went home on weekends, i would save a good amount of money. so even though i do drive more than 40 miles at a time, the volt is still good for me too :)

some of you guys love to hate :bang:

[Knipps]

He's not trying to start a fight Al, just pointing out that your "survey" is flawed.

[Tsar]

irregardless, a statistically significant amount of americans travel less than 40 miles round trip to work. it doesn't matter the percentage, but that enough people do drive that little to make the volt an important car.

for example, i waste most of my gas going to and from school everyday which is about 20 miles round trip. if i only had to buy gas for the random days i went home on weekends, i would save a good amount of money. so even though i do drive more than 40 miles at a time, the volt is still good for me too :)

some of you guys love to hate :bang:
Over your head too, huh? When did I argue the numbers? Let me refresh your memory, I did no such thing. I do not know the numbers, why would I argue against them? Not like anyone here provided the real data for me to argue for or against it.

He's not trying to start a fight Al, just pointing out that your "survey" is flawed. You must be getting good edjumacation for your money... :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

I never said it was the be all and end all of surveys, just a quick question I asked the guys I work with.
I never said that represented the greater population, but when you look at the data that says 73% of American's drive 40 miles or less to work, that was about the percentage I found here.
So is it THAT flawed?
Was it a double blind survey, was it done to scientific standards? No.
Stop acting like an asshat.

[Tsar]

I never said it was the be all and end all of surveys, just a quick question I asked the guys I work with.

Fine and dandy, now you can decide which one of you the Volt is right for.

I never said that represented the greater population, but when you look at the data that says 73% of American's drive 40 miles or less to work, that was about the percentage I found here.
Not that I read the whole thread very attentively, after all it's about crappy Volt, but I did not see it being posted here. And quick Google did not reveal it.
So is it THAT flawed? I haven't seen it, how am I suppose to know?
Was it a double blind survey, was it done to scientific standards? No. Double Blind survey? Do you know what Double blind is? I would like to see you conduct a double blind survey :lol:
If it wasn't a random sample of people, and it wasn't done to a specific standard than it is garbage. Sorry, I do not make the rules.

Stop acting like an asshat.I'm only pointing out flaws in your argument.

[BigAls87Z28]

Fine and dandy, now you can decide which one of you the Volt is right for.


Not that I read the whole thread very attentively, after all it's about crappy Volt, but I did not see it being posted here. And quick Google did not reveal it.
I haven't seen it, how am I suppose to know?
Double Blind survey? Do you know what Double blind is? I would like to see you conduct a double blind survey :lol:
If it wasn't a random sample of people, and it wasn't done to a specific standard than it is garbage. Sorry, I do not make the rules.

I know what a double blind survey is.
I wouldnt be able to conduct a double blind survey on the Volt.
Again, next time Ill just give you the statistics about American drivers and thier distance instead of just coming up with just a randon questioning of people I work with.

I'm only pointing out flaws in your argument.

No, you are starting another arugment that has nothing to do with the volt because you are a douche bag, plain and simple. You have had zero input into any part of this thread outside of just to stir **** up and come up with this one page BS sesion about how my "findings" werent scientific enough for you.
You do this every time you post, and its starting to bore the **** out of me. You come into a thread, find a target, and keep going. I dont know why you do it, maybe because you weren't hugged as a child, but you do it EVERY time, and every time you look like a big douche bag. Thank for derailing this thread like you do EVERY thread you post in. You are a waste of internet space.

[Tsar]

No, you are starting another arugment that has nothing to do with the volt because you are a douche bag, plain and simple. You have had zero input into any part of this thread outside of just to stir **** up and come up with this one page BS sesion about how my "findings" werent scientific enough for you.
You do this every time you post, and its starting to bore the **** out of me. You come into a thread, find a target, and keep going. I dont know why you do it, maybe because you weren't hugged as a child, but you do it EVERY time, and every time you look like a big douche bag. Thank for derailing this thread like you do EVERY thread you post in. You are a waste of internet space.
Why don't you tell me how you really feel? Are you trying to hurt my feelings? :lol:

You derail your own thread with constant GM nutswining (trust me it gets old too), and if we do not agree with you, somehow we become idiots.

btw, I stated my opinion about Volt in post 3. That is all I need to contribute to this "car".

:popcorn:

[BigAls87Z28]

btw, I stated my opinion about Volt in post 3. That is all I need to contribute to this "car".

:popcorn:

Then post it, shut up and leave.

[Savage_Messiah]

both of you shut the **** up and go have some make up sex

[BigAls87Z28]

GM released the final pictures today as they had a live pod casting of the unveiling in Paris today.
Interior is outstanding...

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/vol2.jpg

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/vol3.jpg

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/vol4.jpg

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/vol5.jpg

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/vol6.jpg

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/vol7.jpg

[LS1Hawk]

In these pictures the car looks a lot better. Yet, I still do not think it's worth a $40K price tag.

[Tru2Chevy]

The car does look better in these pics.....I don't like the center stack though. I'm betting that's gonna take drivers a long time to get used to.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

With the white center stack and electrostatic buttons, its very iPodish...I dont think techy people will take too long to get used to it at all, and I think that this car will be a big seller to thoes people.

[Savage_Messiah]

In these pictures the car looks a lot better. Yet, I still do not think it's worth a $40K price tag.

The car does look better in these pics.....I don't like the center stack though. I'm betting that's gonna take drivers a long time to get used to.

- Justin

:stupid:

[SteveR]

I like the interior