AR 15

[mtg6486]

im looking into getting one for target shooting and because ive always wanted one. ive checked out some of the companies that make them but i am curious to know which are the better ones out there. does anyone on here have one and what do you guys suggest. also what are the limits law wise on them?

[LTb1ow]

Your from PA?

[mtg6486]

no jersey

[LTb1ow]

Well first off, you do realize an AR15 is gonna set you back a grand or two right?

[Fast92RS]

just be careful what you purchase. NJ is strict when it comes to that rifle. The AR15 is actually illegal to own in NJ but you can get a AR15 style rifle. Basically as long as it does not say AR15 on the reciver your ok. There are a few other items too. I dont think flash supressors are allowed on the end of the barrel either. I cant remeber what else but any local dealer should be able to help you out. But I would stay away from Ray's sports shop on Rt22 in Plainfeild he is way over priced.

I have one made by Olympic arms and its great and it set me back a few years ago around 750 for mine.

[LTb1ow]

And another point, is unless you have a big property and can make a backdrop, you can't shot a non rim fire cartridge unless at a club.

[mtg6486]

i have property in upstate ny where i can shoot so thats not an issue and plus or minus 1000 is what they seem to be going for. yea i talked to 1 dealer and he mentioned the flash supressor and no ar 15 logo he also said it cant have the collapsible stock

[r0nin89]

Do yourself a favor and find one in 9mm or .45 so that you can actually shoot the thing. No indoor range anywhere will let you shoot that.

[LTb1ow]

Or get a Ruger 10/22 if your just going for plinking.

[madness410]

yeah that gun is great...so smooth to fire. jersey is going to be strict...i know they wont let you buy an all black one.

[LTb1ow]

Mine has a full black stock, and I have a 25round clip, but shhh.

[camaroracer1992]

if you want accuracy buy a rock river NMa2 or A4, i use the NMA2 for high power and i will consistently score master level all the way out to 600 yards. If i were you i would stay away from places like olympic and vulcan, or hess. They are CRAP poor workmanship, etc. as they cut corners. You can get killer deals on gunbroker.com. if you are looking for a plinker you cant beat STAG.

[SteveR]

i have property in upstate ny where i can shoot so thats not an issue and plus or minus 1000 is what they seem to be going for. yea i talked to 1 dealer and he mentioned the flash supressor and no ar 15 logo he also said it cant have the collapsible stock

I thought there was a federal transport license for taking one across state lines?

[LTb1ow]

Nooooo.

[mtg6486]

i believe there is something that you have to get when transporting guns but i would most likely take it up to my cabin and leave it there since thats the only place ill shoot it

[LTb1ow]

I think they only thing you would need to be worried about is obtaining a NY hunting permit for whatever you might be hunting for, and since you aren't hunting, I am gonna say you should be in the clear. Just remeber, ammo in the glove box, gun in the trunk.

[mtg6486]

yea i dont want any problems with the police

[EchoMirage]

ive had one for about 10 years. they dont cost $1000 or more, depending on what model you get. look into bushmaster. quality guns, any variety you can think of. a good idea is to get a detachable handle, or the flat-top receiver. that way you can mount any optics you want. colaspable stocks are available at any online store.

[ar0ck]

This thread is just chock full of wrong information. AR-15 is the civilian designation of the military M-16/M4. All sorts of companies make parts for AR-15's and the parts are readily available with about half being completely legal. Mike I know we talked a lot about it the other night but all you have to remember that in NJ you must have a minimum of a 16" barrel, no bayonet lug, flash suppressor, fixed stock and clips that hold no more then 10rnds each. Other then that build it to your hearts content. My dad & I both have one that we pieced together from parts and they haven't grossed over $500 in parts if you shop wisely.

Both my lower receivers are from Rock River Arms. Some other good companies are DPMS & Bushmaster.

[Mike]

wow, all these "gun people" in here and they call MAGAZINES clips

[ar0ck]

wow, all these "gun people" in here and they call MAGAZINES clips

Don't you have something better to cry about? :moon:

[camaroracer1992]

haha yea clips are for garands! haha
you can piece them together for sure, i feel bad for anyone in NJ, PA is so easy pretty much anything goes.

[Mike]

Don't you have something better to cry about? :moon:

not tonight

[BonzoHansen]

wow, all these "gun people" in here and they call MAGAZINES clips

Hey, don't miss the civlians arguing about which military vehicle is best. A must read!

[WildBillyT]

Hey, don't miss the civlians arguing about which military vehicle is best. A must read!

I stayed out of that on purpose- even though my buddy from DC was on the R&D team for the Stryker LOL.

[mtg6486]

yea my gfs dad live in pa and he tells me about all of the gun freedom they have

[Mike]

Hey, don't miss the civlians arguing about which military vehicle is best. A must read!

too late i missed it.........



http://tgscom.com/images/sharedimages/GunSourceFrontPage/Images/HKrifles/G36-2.jpg
we have those at work, very fun :nod:

[ar0ck]

Hey, don't miss the civlians arguing about which military vehicle is best. A must read!

I actually want to be a Military Analyst!

[BonzoHansen]

I actually want to be a Military Analyst!

And I play a doctor on TV! :lol:

Hey, no worse than someone who watches racing then dubs him/herself a suspension guru. :-P

[ar0ck]

And I play a doctor on TV! :lol:

Hey, no worse than someone who watches racing then dubs him/herself a suspension guru. :-P

The Jerk store called, they ran out of you!

[Mike]

And I play a doctor on TV! :lol:

house or doogie?

[mtg6486]

ok costanza

[Knipps]

I made lollipops in school last week.
you know, practical stuff for pharmacy :grin:

[SteveR]

This thread is just chock full of wrong information. AR-15 is the civilian designation of the military M-16/M4.

M-16 was the initial version of that weapon design. AR-15 was the second, M4 is the latest.

[Ian]

have you tried looking around on ar15.com?

[DevilDougWS6]

wow, all these "gun people" in here and they call MAGAZINES clips

i absolutely DESPISE when people say clip instead of magazine....then they say "whatever" like they are the same thing....thats like calling a corvette a firebird...and calling a firebird a corvette.

call it a MAG if you dont feel like saying magazine. saying clip sounds like you are trying to be gangster or some ********.

Clip:
http://www.cedhk.com/photo.php?oid=119194&type=image/jpeg

Magazine:
http://www.44mag.com/images/nh30.jpg

I DARE you to stick a stripper clip into the magazine well on an M16/AR15. see how well it fires.

some rifle do use stripper clips to load...M1 garand is one...the lee-enfield 1901 i believe does too?

[/rant]

[LTb1ow]

SKS does to.

[NJSPEEDER]

I will ask my bro where he gets his. He has a few of them, all set up for paper punching and high power silhouette shooting.

[bad64chevelle]

haha yea clips are for garands!

Such a fun rifle to shoot!

[johnjzjz]

the only good thing about a 16 is it dident jam even after being in the water/mud for hours and it was light to carry around COMPAIRED to the M14 and the ammo is also small so you could take lots with you BUT its not a good hunting piece ( full metal jacket ) blows right through, its for one purpose and its good at that - cant see using it for anything but what was its original intension -- jz

[V]

i could happen to "lose" a collapsable buttstock or two...






jk lol


and as for military vehicles, they are all peices of junk

[rscamaro73]

:-xhave you tried looking around on ar15.com?

X 2....

TONS of knowledgeable people over there....:mrgreen:

[Ian]

you could try M4carbine.net also

ETA: "the chart"

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/Charts/080904-AR15-Chart-FEATURES.jpg

[DevilDougWS6]

military issue colt m16s suck balls! upper and lowers always rattle lol.


the new m4s are nice though!

on a side note....has anyone ever noticed that the M4 is considerably louder than the m16....why is that?

[rscamaro73]

military issue colt m16s suck balls! upper and lowers always rattle lol.


the new m4s are nice though!

on a side note....has anyone ever noticed that the M4 is considerably louder than the m16....why is that?

They suck ? Sure, they're not pretty....never stopped me from hitting my targets at 500 yards out with stock open sights....shoot....head shots were the 'norm' ;)
The rattle is taken care of with some elec tape when ya need it to be quiet ;)

And the LOUDNESS is from the shorter barrel....just like an exhaust system ;)

[SteveR]

And the LOUDNESS is from the shorter barrel....just like an exhaust system ;)

yep.

[Dark_Knight7096]

Well first off, you do realize an AR15 is gonna set you back a grand or two right?

Not necissarily
I built mine for 800 and it's a bushmaster lower with fixed "collapsable" stock with a RRA upper 14.5" barrel 1.5" muzzle break perminately affixed to the end to make it the legal 16" barrel, making for an M4 configuration (AKA M4gery)


Any specific ?s regarding an AR PM me I can help you


found pics:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8715/dscf0527qv7.jpg

Eventually I wanna get a red dot sight a front grip and a weaponlight for it



and a BIG +1 for ARFCOM (ar15.com)

[mtg6486]

im going do to a little shopping at some stores around here ill let yas know how i make out

[LTb1ow]

On this topic, where do you guys shoot? Private clubs? Your own property? I may take a trip to Cabelas to pick up an SKS or AK but I would like a def place to shoot it if I get one.

[mtg6486]

i got to my place in ny. i checked out what stores carry ars in my area and ramsey outdoor has a few and davis sport shop had a good selection right over the border in ny, looks like ill prob drop a grand on one. most likely a bushmaster

[Ian]

bushmasters have a pretty good plinking reputation. I'm sure you'll love it. now I just have to get off my ass and start piecing together mine.

[mtg6486]

how much of it do you have and what configuration

[mtg6486]

i was doing some research on they and supposedly the stag arms guns have a cleaner operation than the bushmaster which would require less cleaning and most likely more longevity in the long run

[Ian]

I don't actually have any of the parts yet, but it will most likely be set up like martins except no carry handle.

ETA: I vote for CMMG. that's what I'll be going with anyway.

[camaroracer1992]

an ar15 op system is liek anyother its a rotating locking bolt unless you get a piston upper. alot of the dirtiness has to deal with the ammo. everyone shoots wolf and its dirty as ****. stag is probably the best bang for the buck out there, if you build one yourself you will save 100-200 easily on it

[DevilDougWS6]

on this topic i have Rifle qualification this weekend. shooting for expert again. gotta beat my bootcamp record of 220. i should do better. i think we are all qualifying with the M4s though...which sucks because i got a new m16 recently issued to me and I have it all nice and zeroed perfectly.

and im pretty sure military issued ammo is dirty to no? its all mass produced junk. cleaning weapons is consistent no matter what.

[camaroracer1992]

yea just clean it after you shoot it and youll be fine, thats normal good practice so it doesnt gum up, etc. i hate peopl ethat dont clean their guns