Cowboys...let the drama begin

[NJSPEEDER]

Well, as predicted, the NFL's version of the Springer Show is starting to get on a roll.

The follow up to T.O. crying about not getting enough balls thrown his way after he only dropped 5 passes is the return of PacMan.

Adam Jones got into a fight with his own security guard!!! How does one get into a bar brawl with the person who was hired specifically to keep you out of trouble? I have no idea.

Although no charges were filed, it is a perfect example of how much growing up one can do when they have a criminal record reaching back to child hood, millions of dollars, shady friends, and T.O. as a role model.

The NFL is taking a look at the incident even though Jerry Jones has decided that no disciplinary action is needed. Note, PacMan's contract states that ANY off field incident detrimental to the team or it's image is grounds for voiding the contract. I guess fighting in front of a few hundred people at a Ludacris event is fine as long as no charges are filed. lol

I hope the NFL kicks him out again. Maybe someday, someone will learn that being a total d'bag isn't acceptable no matter how much money you have. For better or worse, lots of little kids look up to these idiots, it is about time they took that part of the job seriously.

BTW, Tank Johnson(also on the NFL's **** list) tried to justify the idea that nothing needs to be done by pointing out that no one ended up in the hospital and no charges were filed, like that makes it ok. :roll:

/rant

-Tim

[Frosty]

Jerry Jones won't do anything, if they were 0-4 he would've canned him quickfast.

I'd like to see the NFL take action, I mean these players have the world by the balls....they're in great physical shape, $$$ out the ass, they could get any woman they want, any house and car they want...and they still act like they're living in the ghetto...it's ridiculous.

F him, F Tank Johnson and F any other player that doesn't realize they've truly been blessed.

[baddest434]

I'd like to see the NFL take action, I mean these players have the world by the balls....they're in great physical shape, $$$ out the ass, they could get any woman that want, any house and car they want...and they still act like they're living in the ghetto...it's ridiculous.

F him, F Tank Johnson and F any other player that doesn't realize they've truly been blessed.

perfectly said..and you know the saying about the ghetto!

[Frosty]

perfectly said..and you know the saying about the ghetto!

I wasn't going to go there. :D

[Frosty]

Oh yeah, another reason I'm a hardcore hockey fan...you don't see crap like this happening...

[Mike]

yeah in hockey they just punch each other from behind and swing the sticks like clubs.........right there are no morons in hockey

[Frosty]

When is the last time you heard of hockey players getting into big fights at clubs, getting shot, getting sent to jail for drug possession and sales?

[BonzoHansen]

Rick Tocchet? Marty McSorely? Todd Bertuzzi?

All sports have these issues.

[Frosty]

Rick Tocchet? Marty McSorely? Todd Bertuzzi?

All sports have these issues.

Tocchet was off the ice.

The other two were on ice actions(unless I'm forgetting something).

So that's ONE example. How many football issues have there been so far?

You're right, every sport has its issues but some have more than others...I guess I upset someone because I think hockey players seem to keep their nose cleaner than other sports. :shrug:

[alamantia]

Rangers are in first place and the Devils havent even won a game, their stupid

[Mike]

oh my god first place talk two games into an 80 something game season.........and the devils haven't played a game

[Frosty]

oh my god first place talk two games into an 80 something game season.........and the devils haven't played a game

The Rangers fans need something to cheer about, let him bask in the glory :D

[alamantia]

and the devils haven't played a game


Typical devils fan coming up with excuses

[alamantia]

The Rangers fans need something to cheer about, let him bask in the glory :D

exactly, may be the last time all season. At least frosty see the humor in this.

[Mike]

wrong, not a devils fan.....

[Frosty]

exactly, may be the last time all season. At least frosty see the humor in this.

Of course I do, it's just mild trash talking. :)

Ok, I think we've hijacked Tim's thread enough. :rofl:

[Untamed]

oh my god first place talk two games into an 80 something game season.........and the devils haven't played a game

Good thing you arent a fish Mike 'cause you'd swallow the hook.

The professional sports leagues all have councellors work with young players to manage their money. I don't think any of them comes from millionaire households so they have never seen that kind of pay. What needs to be worked on is their attitude and PR once they are off the field / ice / court whatever. Being the center of attention with all kinds of people fawning over them is as strange as the paychecks they get.

[Mike]

tims thread sucks anyway................

the kid has been on the straight and narrow for a while, and jerry jones has these guys walking around with him on a leash 24/7.......throw in some alcohol and some ****-blocking, and it was bound to happen

my question........steve smith and ray lucas of the panthers got in a fight and the nfl didnt get involved becasue "its a team issue when 2 team employees fight"

so why is the nfl going to get involved in this? they are both cowboys employees

[Frosty]

Good thing you arent a fish Mike 'cause you'd swallow the hook.

The professional sports leagues all have councellors work with young players to manage their money. I don't think any of them comes from millionaire households so they have never seen that kind of pay. What needs to be worked on is their attitude and PR once they are off the field / ice / court whatever. Being the center of attention with all kinds of people fawning over them is as strange as the paychecks they get.


I really feel their pain :rolleyes: I'd gladly take the salary of some of these guys for just one year....:)

[Mike]

Good thing you arent a fish Mike 'cause you'd swallow the hook.

The professional sports leagues all have councellors work with young players to manage their money. I don't think any of them comes from millionaire households so they have never seen that kind of pay. What needs to be worked on is their attitude and PR once they are off the field / ice / court whatever. Being the center of attention with all kinds of people fawning over them is as strange as the paychecks they get.

a good percentage come from rich households, the amount of former players kids making the pros is going up........at the same time, all those kids seem to handle it better

[Frosty]

so why is the nfl going to get involved in this? they are both cowboys employees

I think it's different for Jones because he's been in so much trouble in the past. This is far from the first time he's been around the drama...but then again you have a valid point.

[NJSPEEDER]

The only real difference between the NFL drama and the NHL drama is that hockey isn't nearly as popular in the US.

If the NFL doesn't do something about this I will be very disappointed. The right message was sent, now it needs to be reinforced.

[Mike]

steve smith and ray lucas BOTH have very checkered historys

[Frosty]

steve smith and ray lucas BOTH have very checkered historys

As bad and as recent as Jones?(asking seriously, not trying to sound condescending)

[Mike]

not as bad, but steve smith was arrested for somthing a couple days before that fight.....charges ended up being dropped

[NJSPEEDER]

tims thread sucks anyway................

the kid has been on the straight and narrow for a while, and jerry jones has these guys walking around with him on a leash 24/7.......throw in some alcohol and some ****-blocking, and it was bound to happen

my question........steve smith and ray lucas of the panthers got in a fight and the nfl didnt get involved becasue "its a team issue when 2 team employees fight"

so why is the nfl going to get involved in this? they are both cowboys employees

There is an obvious line between what happens in the excitement of a game and a clear sign that someone hasn't truly abandoned their old bad habits. PacMan has a history of serious problem off the field. That is why he was suspended and put on probation in the first place

I also have trouble considering 14 months since your last police interview the "straight and narrow". It is a sign that he hasn't really changed as much as he tries to play it in the press.

-Tim

[NJSPEEDER]

not as bad, but steve smith was arrested for somthing a couple days before that fight.....charges ended up being dropped

..........and the league hasn't released their statement about how his meeting with them yet.

-Tim

[Mike]

straight and narrow means he complied with the terms of his suspension and reinstatement 100%, and you cant argue that because he was goodells poster child since all this began, so for goodell to let him back in the league in the first place, the people that actually get information from somewhere other than sportcenter must know somthing


remember........good news isnt news

[Mike]

..........and the league hasn't released their statement about how his meeting with them yet.

-Tim


huh?

[SteveR]

No one will do anything about it because these crybaby assclowns make people money, and that's all sports is about anyway.

[NJSPEEDER]

straight and narrow means he complied with the terms of his suspension and reinstatement 100%, and you cant argue that because he was goodells poster child since all this began, so for goodell to let him back in the league in the first place, the people that actually get information from somewhere other than sportcenter must know somthing


remember........good news isnt news

Great, Mr Millionaire managed to go a whole year without taking another trip to prison. He's an f'ing roll model for troubled youth everywhere :roll:

Get real Mike, part of his agreement was to STAY OUT OF TROUBLE.

[enRo]

Wait until 2009 when Dallas signs Michael Vick...

I would like to see who fills half the starting positions during away games due to Parolees :rofl:

[Tsar]

Rangers are in first place and the Devils havent even won a game, their stupid
Are you sure about that Rangers fan?

[GP99GT]

Rangers are in first place and the Devils havent even won a game, their stupid

uhhhh...devils havent PLAYED a game

fail

[BigAls87Z28]

uhhhh...devils havent PLAYED a game

fail

Welcome to last page drunkie.
Put the Miller high life down, put away the Captain, and read the damn thread.

and COWBOYS FTMFW!! Ef hockey. Bunch of toothless canadians and russians.

[Frosty]

.....who have more skill than some fat offensive lineman who can't get out of his own way. :)

I'd love to see T.O. or Brian Westbrook on a pair of skates as a 240# guy hits him skating at full speed. :rofl: (that'd actually be pretty funny)

[BigAls87Z28]

.....who have more skill than some fat offensive lineman who can't get out of his own way. :)

I'd love to see T.O. or Brian Westbrook on a pair of skates as a 240# guy hits him skating at full speed. :rofl: (that'd actually be pretty funny)

Bah...hockey players are maladjusted figure skaters with poor tempers.

[badzracing]

.....who have more skill than some fat offensive lineman who can't get out of his own way. :)

I'd love to see T.O. or Brian Westbrook on a pair of skates as a 240# guy hits him skating at full speed. :rofl: (that'd actually be pretty funny)

Teach either of these guys to skate and the NHL will look very different in a short period of time...NHL players are roller derby wannabe's with weapons...that's why hockey ranks slightly above cricket and water-polo in the U.S.

[Knipps]

Bah...hockey players are maladjusted figure skaters with poor tempers.

Teach either of these guys to skate and the NHL will look very different in a short period of time...NHL players are roller derby wannabe's with weapons...that's why hockey ranks slightly above cricket and water-polo in the U.S.

When's the last time either of you watched a hockey game?

[Frosty]

When's the last time either of you watched a hockey game?

...or put on a pair of skates for that matter....

[badzracing]

The last time I watched hockey was a pretty long time ago. Not interested ( like most of the country). I'll stick to football.

I actually enjoy playing hockey. I haven't played in quite some time, though.

Don't take personal offense, guys. Hockey has never and will never be as popular as Football, baseball,or basketball ( from a national viewing standpoint). The "best" players are usually from other countries and therefore much harder to root for than "home-grown" athletes. The NBA is starting to field a pretty big crop of foreign players and coincidentally the tv ratings continue to fall. However, there are still big name, American "stars" left in the NBA and they ARE the league's "best" players. The same is not true of the NFL where 99.9% of the athletes are American, attended high school here, played college ball here, and into the pros here. That's why it truly is America's past time.

[Frosty]

What does popularity have to do with skill? :rofl:

[Mike]

Great, Mr Millionaire managed to go a whole year without taking another trip to prison. He's an f'ing roll model for troubled youth everywhere :roll:

Get real Mike, part of his agreement was to STAY OUT OF TROUBLE.

did he get in trouble, because last i heard the guy was a willing participant in the scuffle and neither man received charges......only a fool would use him as a roll model in either case

[badzracing]

What does popularity have to do with skill?


Nothing and I'm pretty sure I addressed that in my post. I didn't say these guys weren't skilled at their profession, but in the same respect you said you'd like to see T.O. or Brian Westbrook put on a pair of skates and be hit by a 240lb guy. These guys are just as skilled, in all likelihood faster than damn near anyone in the NHL, and would probably welcome only having to deal with 240lb guys as opposed to the 200-350lb guys they see every single week ( who also happen to be moving at full speed). Football is a far more violent game than hockey regardless of the fights and hits. No hockey player could put on a football uniform and go do what Brian Westbrook does. PERIOD!

[badzracing]

did he get in trouble, because last i heard the guy was a willing participant in the scuffle and neither man received charges......only a fool would use him as a roll model in either case

I don't think he will get into any trouble as far as the league goes. He'll pay for the mirror he broke and this will disappear. I hope so, anyway. Only because if he does get into trouble/ gets suspended the Titans would have to give Dallas a 6th round pick next year.

[Mike]

he shouldnt...the body guard is off duty DALLAS PD so if the guy felt wronged he wouldnt be afraid to press charges

[NJSPEEDER]

.....who have more skill than some fat offensive lineman who can't get out of his own way. :)

I'd love to see T.O. or Brian Westbrook on a pair of skates as a 240# guy hits him skating at full speed. :rofl: (that'd actually be pretty funny)

The way that Westbrook can dance around defenders, I would bet he has teh balance and is nimble enough that he could figure it out. T.O. with his long stride would be able to do it, but it would be more difficult.

Face it, at least to some degree, athletes are athletes. They can do, or at least figure out a lot more activities than they already participate in, just need to be given a chance.

It is just like top level race car drivers. Cruz Pendregon is just some funny car driver, did you see him wheeling that super late model during the prelude to the dream? That so-cal straight liner was gettin around pretty damn good.

-Tim

[NJSPEEDER]

only a fool would use him as a roll model in either case

Children don't know to distinguish between good and bad behavior or how to level the difference between what someone does well and what parts of life they suck at. Based on so many of the images in society, meaning how so many negatives have become "cool", most kids don't have the knowledge base to pick between people attributes to come up with a good answer.

Athletes aren't roll models by choice, it is by default. They need to understand this and do what they can to put out an image that is constructive for kids to follow.

-Tim

[Mike]

well than its a good thing children have parents tim

[NJSPEEDER]

I don't know if you've noticed, considering where you work I would hope you have, but a lot fo kids ignore the better examples of society and latch onto the negatives that are placed in front of them in much much higher volume.

I know enough people that came from good families and had solid support systems at home that are spending a long time in prison because they decided to follow the wrong example. Be it because it was cool in their mind, some form of greed, or just basic stupidity, negative examples are far better promoted than the positive ones in American society.

It is up to those who get idolized to help. I know they can't be the final solution and I know not all of the blame rests of them, but they are still a part of the problem and allow the cycle to propagate year after year and generation after generation.

-Tim

[Mike]

ive noticed at work that

a. it runs in the family, i cant tell you how many fathers and sons, and even grandfathers are all locked up together

or

b. how many people DON'T HAVE parents and grew up a product of the streets.

children that grow up in an environment where they can sit around on sundays and watch football, generally have a little better family situation than many of the people that end up where i work..

kids dont decide to break the law or kill people because some guy on the cowboys does it, thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard

[NJSPEEDER]

You are clearly missing the point. Negative examples lead to a notion in a child's mind that certain types of actions are acceptable or "not that bad". The limits being shown by people like PacMan Jones are well beyond what is acceptable in every day society and if allowed to continue, just reinforce the notion that all any kid needs to do is catch a football or hit a baseball and they can act however they want.

Negative examples create negative results. If a kid can't look up to dad or grandpa, maybe he will look up to Michael Jordan, a well educated, successful athlete, who became one heck of a business man on top of everything else. Unfortunately, with the barrage of images on Sportscenter and the news, more kids get a good view of the example set by guys like Pacman who have spent half the money they earned in their career on lawyers and paying off fines/lawsuits.

-Tim

[Njgunslinger]

Wade Phillips needs to be fired.. enuff said. He SUCCCKS!

[Frosty]

Romo out for 4 weeks? I hope their back up can get Me-O the ball.

[NJSPEEDER]

PACMAN WILL BE GONE AT LEAST 4 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The NFL is doing a great job in accepting their position as the leaders of these potential role models. I don't agree with all of the language of the information released to this point, but I do agree with the suspension.

Adam Jones is an amazing athlete, hopefully he finally cause him to finally get his head together so he can get back to it.

[Tsar]

You are clearly missing the point. Negative examples lead to a notion in a child's mind that certain types of actions are acceptable or "not that bad". The limits being shown by people like PacMan Jones are well beyond what is acceptable in every day society and if allowed to continue, just reinforce the notion that all any kid needs to do is catch a football or hit a baseball and they can act however they want.

Negative examples create negative results. If a kid can't look up to dad or grandpa, maybe he will look up to Michael Jordan, a well educated, successful athlete, who became one heck of a business man on top of everything else. Unfortunately, with the barrage of images on Sportscenter and the news, more kids get a good view of the example set by guys like Pacman who have spent half the money they earned in their career on lawyers and paying off fines/lawsuits.

-TimOr a kid/child can make their own decisions, as they should. Not everyone who grows up in a crappy neighborhood or is surrounded by scumbags becomes one.

[Frosty]

The 'boys got Roy Williams....I wonder how Me-O will react if he catches go down.

Then again with Homo out for 4 weeks they have no one to throw to their receivers. :D

[badzracing]

The cowboys are f'd for at least a month or two, may get in to a hole they cant get out of.

[BigAls87Z28]

Or a kid/child can make their own decisions, as they should. Not everyone who grows up in a crappy neighborhood or is surrounded by scumbags becomes one.

Normally, no. But thats an exception to the rule.
If everyone changed and turned out to better ones self coming from an adverse area, then eventually it would fix itself, no?
So it feeds into itself, and every once and a while out pops an anomaly.

In other news, the 40 year old Cowboy takes the reigns this weekend, with a new WR. Giants lost, Skins lost, Egirls won...Cowboys need to continue to move foward.

[NJSPEEDER]

Jones suspended from the NFL indefinitely and released by da boys. :D

Me-O will be cry cry crying like Mike after car show voting. Or maybe the silent treatment is his new sad approach to things. lol I am sure they would throw the ball to him more if he ran out his patterns or stopped dropping most of what heads his way.

[NJSPEEDER]

Or a kid/child can make their own decisions, as they should. Not everyone who grows up in a crappy neighborhood or is surrounded by scumbags becomes one.

If someone is bombarded with good example after good example, woudl they not tend to turn out good? The inverse is also true, if bombarded from childhood with a glorified thug life image of the world, a child will be much more likely to end up being a delinquent.

Free will is a wonderful thing, but the greater percentage of the time it isn't stronger than conditioning. It is a shame, but it is true.

-Tim

[badzracing]

Jones suspended from the NFL indefinitely and released by da boys. :D

Me-O will be cry cry crying like Mike after car show voting. Or maybe the silent treatment is his new sad approach to things. lol I am sure they would throw the ball to him more if he ran out his patterns or stopped dropping most of what heads his way.

He didn't get released ( at least not what I've read or heard). He is still listed on the cowboys roster. I wish he'd get released from the NFL for good. I'm sick of this frigging guy still costing my Titans even after he's been gone. How come no one has shot him yet, ala the bunch of other NFL players that have been shot.

[NJSPEEDER]

Somebody coming in for first shift mentioned it when I was on my way out of work this morning. I don't see it on ESPN's site though. I hope they cut him loose.

I can't see Jerry Jones justifying the expense of a good, not great, player that has to be babysat 24/7 and still manages to get into trouble. The costs outweigh the benefits.

-Tim

[Njgunslinger]

Welcome to DALLAS the soap opera..:)