Thoughts on Shelby, Smokey, and signatures on cars...(pulled from another thread)

[Blacdout96]

Why did you do all that work to your V6 camaro?

at first the car was bone stock, But after Carroll Shelby autographed it, I felt my car was unique, not only not just another V6, but not just some GM vehicle, how many out there can say their GM vehicle was autographed by the greatest mind in automotive history. Not only that, I had a desire to auto-x and since the car has a decent handling setup in stock form, I felt to just upgrade a little to be a little more competative. My car IS unique, and I will continue to advance the uniqueness of it. that is why Ive done all this work to this V6.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

I felt my car was unique, not only not just another V6, but not just some GM vehicle, how many out there can say their GM vehicle was autographed by the greatest mind in automotive history.


:rofl::rofl:Funny, I don't remember signing your car!!!!:rofl::rofl:

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Smokey was the man, definately better than Shelby in my opinion.








Still, niether one can hang with THE JS Performance!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

Smokey was the man, definately better than Shelby in my opinion. Smokey was head & shoulders above CS.

[Mike]

at first the car was bone stock, But after Carroll Shelby autographed it, I felt my car was unique, not only not just another V6, but not just some GM vehicle, how many out there can say their GM vehicle was autographed by the greatest mind in automotive history. Not only that, I had a desire to auto-x and since the car has a decent handling setup in stock form, I felt to just upgrade a little to be a little more competative. My car IS unique, and I will continue to advance the uniqueness of it. that is why Ive done all this work to this V6.

how much did you pay the uber ford fanboi superhero to sign your car? and how does his signature make the car more special than the other v6 4th gens?

[Blacdout96]

how much did you pay the uber ford fanboi superhero to sign your car? and how does his signature make the car more special than the other v6 4th gens?

Nothing, nada, zip. And i guess you would need someone special from GM for oyur truck then to fullly apperciate and understand someone who has made such and impact in the automotive world, to make your truck/car stand out, and feel special. Do you have autographs of sports stars mike? let me ask why do the things you got sign, why are they different from the same things that are not sign? They are unique, thats why.

[BonzoHansen]

Mike asked because Shelby is such a scumbag that he'd probably charge on old lady $50 after he held the door open for her.

[Blacdout96]

Mike asked because Shelby is such a scumbag that he'd probably charge on old lady $50 after he held the door open for her.

A scumbag? where'd you get your information from of what kind of person he is? have you ever met him? First off i wanna say about the smokey yunick thing. Smokey did some things ill give him credit for, but as far as I can see, all he did was read the rules carefully and find loopholes to get away with things. He was nothing but a mechanic. Now Shelby was a man that knew cars from a business standpoint ,as well as from behind the wheel. Take for example when the 67 Le Mans came, two GT40 mkIV's were given to Shelby, and two to Holman -Moody. Moody put their air ducts at the front of the nose to cool the brakes. Shelby said you'll warp the Rotor's that way. Shelby recirculated some of the hot air and tok the air atop of the nose, so the cooling affect wasent as shocking to the rotors when the brakes were applied. Eventually HM's theory failed, and took out 3 GT40's in the process in 1 wreck!!. Also Shelby said the engine covers should be hinged behind the driver so the wind doesnt catch it. HM said to hing it from the rear cause its easier to work on the engine. HM won that debate and the cars engine covers were fitted to the rear. Guess what, wind caught the no.2's engine cover, and blew it right off. Id get more into the story, but you chaps would benefit better by looking it up. In the end Shelby's no.1 car took the overall victory by 5 laps over the Ferrari 330 P4. Shelby is also to only American team to of ever won the FIA GT championship in 1965. Shelby's teams won the 66 and 67 Le Mans, and is the only All-American team to of won Le Mans in 67. As far as im concerned, you can look between the rules ,and build a car that can go for 500 miles, but for me, reliability is key. try making a NASCAR car last 24 hours. Shelby knew what he was doing. Not only that, but he also built a sucessful business, and also put his hand in a few auto companies ( Ford, Dodge) To each his own I guess, but from what I see, Shelby is the best mind in history.

[BonzoHansen]

Go ask the members of the SAAC. And the feds when they came down on him for illegal VINs. And problems at his foundation about not paying out.

Winning races does not make a person a good person.

[WildBillyT]

A scumbag? where'd you get your information from of what kind of person he is? have you ever met him? First off i wanna say about the smokey yunick thing. Smokey did some things ill give him credit for, but as far as I can see, all he did was read the rules carefully and find loopholes to get away with things. He was nothing but a mechanic. Now Shelby was a man that knew cars from a business standpoint ,as well as from behind the wheel. Take for example when the 67 Le Mans came, two GT40 mkIV's were given to Shelby, and two to Holman -Moody. Moody put their air ducts at the front of the nose to cool the brakes. Shelby said you'll warp the Rotor's that way. Shelby recirculated some of the hot air and tok the air atop of the nose, so the cooling affect wasent as shocking to the rotors when the brakes were applied. Eventually HM's theory failed, and took out 3 GT40's in the process in 1 wreck!!. Also Shelby said the engine covers should be hinged behind the driver so the wind doesnt catch it. HM said to hing it from the rear cause its easier to work on the engine. HM won that debate and the cars engine covers were fitted to the rear. Guess what, wind caught the no.2's engine cover, and blew it right off. Id get more into the story, but you chaps would benefit better by looking it up. In the end Shelby's no.1 car took the overall victory by 5 laps over the Ferrari 330 P4. Shelby is also to only American team to of ever won the FIA GT championship in 1965. Shelby's teams won the 66 and 67 Le Mans, and is the only All-American team to of won Le Mans in 67. As far as im concerned, you can look between the rules ,and build a car that can go for 500 miles, but for me, reliability is key. try making a NASCAR car last 24 hours. Shelby knew what he was doing. Not only that, but he also built a sucessful business, and also put his hand in a few auto companies ( Ford, Dodge) To each his own I guess, but from what I see, Shelby is the best mind in history.


Have you read "The Best Damn Garage In Town"? If not, I suggest you do. Not that it's a given 100% accurate- but even if it's 50% it's very impressive.

Smokey was MUCH more than a glorified mechanic. He did not have Shelby's business sense but he was much more of an inventor and innovator in my opinion.

[BonzoHansen]

…split out from another topic...

Ok, scumbag might be harsh, but I don't see where he has been a great person, certainly not worthy of my praise – all the cash he has squeezed from anyone in his path is enough glory for him IMO. I would not want him (or just about any) signature on my car. Of course I don't care about autographs or who someone is. I guess I could get Scott Settlemire to sign my car, but only Al would care. :lol: I saw in a magazine a really nice 4th gen that a guy bought off one of the owners of camaroz28.com. He had both the owners of the site sign the car. Holy crap, who cares? I guess I’ll get Justin to sign my car too, lol.

The work SY did within given platforms is legendary.

[SteveR]

Smokey was a real genius. The stuff he came up with was light years ahead of anybody else at that time. Carroll Shelby was the exact opposite I think. He stole designs that already existed and threw them together. Case in point, the Cobra. The AC Cobra was a European car that he simply imported, and put a Ford motor in it and called it a Shelby. There's no talent or creativity there. The new Shelbys? They're SVT Cobras with his name on them. The Shelby GT Mustang? It's a stock GT with some stripes, Fords CAI and chip, painted wheels, and Hurst shifter. But Shelby charges like 12k for the package. That isn't unique anyway and uses Ford's off the shelf parts. That cost like 3k at most. Shelby to me seems like the Donald Trump of cars, he's great at advertising, but has nothing to actually sell of any real creativity and individuality.

[Knipps]

What about if Mario Andretti signed your car and was the previous owner?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=2134751

[BonzoHansen]

What about if Mario Andretti signed your car and was the previous owner?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=2134751previous owner is a bit different - but I would not pay extra for a car due to the previous owner.

[BigAls87Z28]

I was looking at the GMHTPM article about the guy who bought the 4th gen off Jason. I thought the same thing, "oh wow, Jason signed it...good?"
Jason is one of the 15 disciple and is the owner of the largest fbody website on the planet. He is very cool to talk to, and has been very close to the 5th gen since its first ideas some 4 years ago.
He talked about how him and Scott went out for a drink the day the last Camaro rolled off the production lines, and then talked about how a few years later how he got a phone call from Scott saying that they were going to move foward on a concept.
It was cool to hear all these stories, but Im not sure if that makes that car any better then any other LS1 car.
Anyway, cool that he signed your car, and I guess its going to mean more to you then anyone else. Im not a huge fan of Shelby. Smokey sure was a super smart engineer that did his things his way. He created some really cool stuff, and has been involved in many forms of racing. I would rather have a car with some Smokey tricks done it , instead of having his signature on the dash.

[NJSPEEDER]

Scott, I don't think scumbag is too harsh an assessment for someone so arrogant that they sued their own fan club, sold illegal "continuation cars" as original vins under the title of a production company that defaulted 25 years ago, and didn't do 99.9% of the engineering work he is credited with.

Shelby was a hell of a driver, also a hell of a salesman though.

/rant

[BonzoHansen]

Oh, to be fair & balanced, I understand CS has a great chili recipe, though...

[BonzoHansen]

Al, you are a cool guy that hangs on the camaro nuts, but I don't want you near my car with a sharpie.

[NJSPEEDER]

How about this guys, who is your favorite famous automotive legend and why?

Best Engineer/Driver/Car Owner to me is Roger Penske. He doesn't do his own engieering work anymore, but he was the guy who figured out triple adjust shocks, hydro-jackers(hydraulic in car weight jackers), won a lot of races on his own(mostly lower level, he was better at setting it up than driving it), has owned winning teams on every level of north American open wheel, stock car, and road racing, and he still acts as chief and team strategist for his American LeMans series Porsche RS Spyder program.

Basically, the guy has seen it and succeeded from every side of auto sport possible.

[BigAls87Z28]

Al, you are a cool guy that hangs on the camaro nuts, but I don't want you near my car with a sharpie.

Damn! Well, for everyone else that wants my signature to be placed on thier dash, please bring your car to either TGIF's in Brick tomorrow night or at trucks on Weds along with a 25 dollar donation to the Human Fund,
Human Fund: Money for People

[Mike]

Nothing, nada, zip. And i guess you would need someone special from GM for oyur truck then to fullly apperciate and understand someone who has made such and impact in the automotive world, to make your truck/car stand out, and feel special. Do you have autographs of sports stars mike? let me ask why do the things you got sign, why are they different from the same things that are not sign? They are unique, thats why.

no, i wouldn't let someone sign my truck or car. paper or photographs are good for me just because it has some sharpie marks on it does not make it special, who's to say you didn't do it yourself? did it come with a certificate of authenticity?

[WildBillyT]

How about this guys, who is your favorite famous automotive legend and why?

Best Engineer/Driver/Car Owner to me is Roger Penske. He doesn't do his own engieering work anymore, but he was the guy who figured out triple adjust shocks, hydro-jackers(hydraulic in car weight jackers), won a lot of races on his own(mostly lower level, he was better at setting it up than driving it), has owned winning teams on every level of north American open wheel, stock car, and road racing, and he still acts as chief and team strategist for his American LeMans series Porsche RS Spyder program.

Basically, the guy has seen it and succeeded from every side of auto sport possible.

American?
Smokey/Donohue/Penske if we are picking multiple people.

Just Smokey if we are picking one.

[SteveR]

I'd have to say Zora Arkus-Duntov for his creativity, eye for detail, insight into how to turn desire into a physical object, and vision of the future. Also, Smokey Yunick for his mechanical and technical brilliance.

[BigAls87Z28]

Penske is both a great engineer and a great business man.
Zora is another great engineer, but didnt have a hand in design too much. It was more at the hands of Mitchell at that point.

I guess it depends on your feelings. I would love to have Tom Peter's and/or Ed Welburn signature for thier design.

[LTb1ow]

Shoebox.

[V]

id cut the signed part of the car out and hang it up

[BigAls87Z28]

id cut the signed car into pieces and sell it off, only to find out its a super rare vehicle that he signed becaue it was built and engineerd by him.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand fixed.

[Blacdout96]

Case in point, the Cobra. The AC Cobra was a European car that he simply imported, and put a Ford motor in it and called it a Shelby. There's no talent or creativity there. The new Shelbys? They're SVT Cobras with his name on them. The Shelby GT Mustang? It's a stock GT with some stripes, Fords CAI and chip, painted wheels, and Hurst shifter. But Shelby charges like 12k for the package. That isn't unique anyway and uses Ford's off the shelf parts. That cost like 3k at most. Shelby to me seems like the Donald Trump of cars, he's great at advertising, but has nothing to actually sell of any real creativity and individuality.

Actually, that was talented when he swapped a heavy cast iron 8 cylinder into a light weight, and fragile frame. It was more then just shoe horning. Id like you to build a car swapping a big motor into something light, make it perform right, and not only that, but get it to win races, and have a cult of followers for it. RX-7's with LS-1's Fiero's with L67's, these are the cars that people build in their garages, but you wont see a market for these. He turned a dismal british car company, and the future of the SBF, into one of the greatest combinations in history. I guess if GM would of signed Shelby on to letting them use their small blocks, the words coming out of our mouths would be different.

As for the marketing of the cars today, this isnt 1966. He is not the only one runnign the Shelby name anymore, his company has a board, and its not up to him to make the final decisions anymore. You get a name like Ford, and a new generation of gear heads who crave for a Cobra name, or anything with Shelby on it, and oyu know they are stupid enough to pay, then by all means start the name pasting. I would do the same, you all say he's overpricing these, your sure it isnt Ford saying oh well Shelby's name is on it, we can make a little more dough on this now. Shelby sold off the Cobra name to Ford in 1969, you think Ford gave that back to Shelby.....No, Ford still owns the name. Like I said, If I was him, and I saw kids today wanting to buy my stuff, and are willing to even ifthe price is outragious, by all means lets get this stuff rolling down the assembly line, and im sure you would do the same thing, money is money.

Scott, I don't think scumbag is too harsh an assessment for someone so arrogant that they sued their own fan club, sold illegal "continuation cars" as original vins under the title of a production company that defaulted 25 years ago, and didn't do 99.9% of the engineering work he is credited with.

Shelby was a hell of a driver, also a hell of a salesman though.

/rant
Cause you were the attorny for all that has happened. We only know as much as anybody else. He drop the lawsuit first off. They were using his companies name. He wanted a list of the members and information from the site, and everything that was goign on. they didnt wantto and a lawsuit ensued. and as you can see, they came to an agreement, and the rest is history. As for the illegal cars, he supplied the parts to the company building these Elanore clones, but wasent directly building them, Unique was the one building them. does he have an involvement, yes, he should of payed more attention to what they were doing, but is he the one responsible, no. Im amazed at how you guys have no problem calling him a scumbag, and this and that, and yet as much as he should be nothign but dirt, I see his cars getting higher and higher with price tags, I wonder why that is, maybe cause people like me that have a more open mind, outside of GM, actually see the greatness this guy is, and his achievements in the automotive field. I dont expect any of you to go, you know he is right, Im a fan of Shelby now, but you have no right calling him a scumbag and such. you like Yunick, thats great, you dont see me on here calling him a blatent sneaky cheating son of a bitch that couldnt handle making a race car, no he had to cheat to win. And as for Penske, I like him, he's been a very sucessful driver/ owner , and had such great drivernames grace his cars. Oh Mark Donohue, only god knows what racing might of looked like today if you were still here.
no, i wouldn't let someone sign my truck or car. paper or photographs are good for me just because it has some sharpie marks on it does not make it special, who's to say you didn't do it yourself? did it come with a certificate of authenticity?
Did it come with it, yeah cause i can make certificates of authenticity while hes right there signing it right in front of me. I didnt buy his autograph off of QVC, i met the guy in person, holy **** . Here, you want proof, here ya go.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/Balcdout96/DSCN0330.jpg

[JL8Jeff]

I personally don't care for anyone's signature on anything. They were all just businessmen trying to make a living and working around the systems to get it done. Look at Don Yenko and Joel Rosen. All these guys had great ideas and made a living off it. That doesn't make them extra special. But now, with all the "continuation" cars popping up it's a clear sign of greed. The Yenko continuation, the Baldwin Motion over the top thing, the Shelby continuation stuff. The original stuff these guys did was cool, won races, made money. But it's no different then Air Jordan shoes!

[BonzoHansen]

The unique/elanor thing and the continuation thing are different deals. No? For the record the guys at unique performance are true scumbags.

Yunick didn't cheat as much as he did things the rules didn't say he couldn't do, lol.


LOL at getting all worked up over some millionaire who could care less you exist. Unless maybe you are buying zmax or whatever snake oil (hey, an unintended pun) he's pushing this week.

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/12/30/074136.1-lg.jpg


this thread is unique and special now. shelby signed it :rofl:. signatures dont matter. signatures used to matter when the person mattered. we dont live in a day of autographs anymore because everyone famous isnt necessarily talented anymore in the age of marketing.


shelby was actually pretty underhanded and shiesty. iirc a story about CS hearing that GM was moving ahead with the KING OF THE ROAD CORVETTE. he had his patent lawyer call up and patent the name before GM could snaking (pun intended) a namesake that GM was going to use.

in the real world thats not creative. its just taking something someone else was planning and do it before them. just like all his other projects.

[BonzoHansen]

iirc a story about CS hearing that GM was moving ahead with the KING OF THE ROAD CORVETTE. he had his patent lawyer call up and patent the name before GM could snaking (pun intended) a namesake that GM was going to use. that was marketing genius.

[Blacdout96]

LOL at getting all worked up over some millionaire who could care less you exist.

Do you like sports? what teams you like? you got Jerseys, or any of their memorabilia? do you go to games or watch them on TV, and cheer them on, or curse those who oppose your teams you like? Guess what, those are all millionares who could care less that your a fan,and care less if you exist as well. your not signing their checks, so they arent gonna come up to ya out of nowhere and give you their autograph unless you got a couple buck in your pocket.

I dont care if he doesnt care I exist.I met and hung out with the guy, so I guess I know him just a tad bit more then you all do. I just dont think its right you guys are callign him all these names, when there are plenty other guys who slapped their names on cars, or help bring cars into the history books, and eve n some we appreciate and like in teh GM arena, and werent these perfect role models you speak of. How about that GM guy, you know, the one who helped bring the GTO name and the Firebird name, oh yeah John Deloren , who also opened up a car business that sunk, and also was busted for drug trafficking. Nobodies perfect, and as far as I can see , you can call him a shiester, a scumbag, and what not, but Im also sure he's making out alot better then you, and takes pride in knowing people like you hate him.

[mc73nova]

I personally don't care for anyone's signature on anything. They were all just businessmen trying to make a living and working around the systems to get it done. Look at Don Yenko and Joel Rosen. All these guys had great ideas and made a living off it. That doesn't make them extra special. But now, with all the "continuation" cars popping up it's a clear sign of greed. The Yenko continuation, the Baldwin Motion over the top thing, the Shelby continuation stuff. The original stuff these guys did was cool, won races, made money. But it's no different then Air Jordan shoes!

x2
Well said, now I don't have to come up with anything.

[WayFast84]

Blacd.

How come when ever some one disagrees with your point of view you have to defend your self and write a freekin persuasive essay about it?

How some one else feels about something is how they feel...Its an opinion. Opinions cant be right or wrong..

[Blacdout96]

Blacd.

How come when ever some one disagrees with your point of view you have to defend your self and write a freekin persuasive essay about it?

How some one else feels about something is how they feel...Its an opinion. Opinions cant be right or wrong..

1. Because I can
2. when everyone flames me, apparently they arent opinions, they are facts
3. cause I like to be more explanitory then just 1 word answers, or slapping smiley faces on them
4.Cause if I came on here trash talking your mom or friend, im sure you would be quick to defend. I may not be in Shelby's top 8, on the speed dial or anything, but being part of the community I am with, which is above this club and such, you develop friends, weither in a personal or business way, and as far as Im concerned, you guys are trash talking a friend of mine. I appreciate all drivers, owners, innovators, and such, and Id appreciate it if you didnt call him those words. he is a genius in his own sense, and certainly has the knowledge as well.

My mother says something that it so true. You dont truely appreciate something until its gone. The majority of you guys love American cars on here, and Im sure if I posted pictures of cars Ive been around, or helped with you wouldnt know what the hell it is. everything from Ferrari F1 cars, to the Junkyard dog, Ive seen alot, and yet theres so much more I've yet to see. Ive rubbed elbows with Millionaires and Billionaires, and the knowledge and friendship I've brought back with me is priceless. so you guys might not know where im coming from when I say I dislike this, or I like this person, but understand, Im not your average F-body fan, Ive been outside of this state and have graced places such as Laguna Seca,Pebble Beach, and The local favorite, Lime Rock. i hate going stright, I like to turn left and right. Maybe I have an intresti n the wrong kind of car, for people to appreciate my knowledge, and likes and dislikes, but for now, its all I can afford.

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://www.wisemouseboy.com/gallery2/d/3790-2/internet_serious_business_framed.jpg





seriously though, just because were on this site doesnt mean we havent been places. i actually used to live in san jose for 4 years and have raced at such places like SAC raceway and Sears Point @ Infineon Raceway. Also have been to Laguna Seca and Pebble Beach, 9 mile drive and all of that. just for clarification.

its just wow man. you took everything in this thread to the heart and its kind of sad. relax man, take a chill pill. people are just saying that your car is no different than anyone else's car just because someone scribbled his name on your ttop trim.

it just seems from reading your post you have a ''superior sense of self worth''
from rubbing elbows with the company you keep and try to look down on those people who arent impressed by it. just my 2 cents

[WayFast84]

its just wow man. you took everything in this thread to the heart and its kind of sad. relax man, take a chill pill. people are just saying that your car is no different than anyone else's car just because someone scribbled his name on your ttop trim.

it just seems from reading your post you have a ''superior sense of self worth''
from rubbing elbows with the company you keep and try to look down on those people who arent impressed by it. just my 2 cents

QFT

/thread

[LTb1ow]

Blacd.

How come when ever some one disagrees with your point of view you have to defend your self and write a freekin persuasive essay about it?

How some one else feels about something is how they feel...Its an opinion. Opinions cant be right or wrong..

Strong words from you. And to each his on, if I admired someone and they signed my car I would think thats cool ****. Maybe not to others but who cares what they think if its your car.

[WildBillyT]

The majority of you guys love American cars on here, and Im sure if I posted pictures of cars Ive been around, or helped with you wouldnt know what the hell it is. everything from Ferrari F1 cars, to the Junkyard dog, Ive seen alot, and yet theres so much more I've yet to see. Ive rubbed elbows with Millionaires and Billionaires, and the knowledge and friendship I've brought back with me is priceless. so you guys might not know where im coming from when I say I dislike this, or I like this person, but understand, Im not your average F-body fan, Ive been outside of this state and have graced places such as Laguna Seca,Pebble Beach, and The local favorite, Lime Rock. i hate going stright, I like to turn left and right. Maybe I have an intresti n the wrong kind of car, for people to appreciate my knowledge, and likes and dislikes, but for now, its all I can afford.

No offense man (really!), because I get how you feel about this, but do you know how arrogant and self-important this sounds?


You are assuming that just because we don't agree with your opinion on this issue that we are knuckle-dragging Budwieser drinking Chevy-Boiis to the core. Not so. It's great that you have such an impressive resume of high-dollar car experience (hell, I wish I got to do some of that stuff) but just because you have rubbed elbows with these people doesn't change the fact that your opinion is your opinion, and ours is ours. Other people know Shelby better than you and have a negative opinon of him. Who's to say what's the truth?

[Blacdout96]

Well im glad it came out sounding im arrogant and that my **** dont stink, thats exactly how i wanted it to sound, because I am, if you dont like it, go post a thread somewhere else and lock this one.

This place is full of arrogant a-holess, who feel theyare right and everyone else is wrong, so I feel, hey why not act like some of the arrogant a-holes. apparently Iguess my way of making me sound like it, is a little louder and more noticable then others, but you get the point. You flame me on making a suggestoin to be creative with a hood, then you flame me for saying why my car to me is unique after I was asked why I put money into my car, and then I get flamed because I say that I feel your assumptions on a great mind in the automotive indusrty are cruel, rude ,and very hurtful to some fans. you want to be ******** and arrogant andhave no remorse for what you guys harp on, fine, ill be an arrogant prick like you guys.

[BonzoHansen]

So you had a soda with him at a meet and greet and therefore know him well? Did look into his eyes, get a sense of his soul, and see he is trustworthy?

Great, he was nice to you, kudos to him. Facts, not opinions: He sued the SAAC, a group of enthusiasts who do nothing but glorify him, and even tried to copyright the name SAAC w/o even telling them. He also got busted by the feds on vin# fraud, not the unique performance deal, actually what became the continuation cars or whatever the f*&k they called it. And his charity offers little to no payouts. I won’t even get into the dirty business and bankruptcies and such. I personally give him a pass on the charity since he likely has little to do with it, and unique perf deal was not his doing at all. However, I know a number of people – people whose opinion I trust - who have had personal dealings with him, not just a hello at a meet & greet, and there have been very few kind words to say about him. Actually, comments about CS are very similar to comments about Boyd Codington. An occasional nice word with lots of not so nice words.

At Carlisle 2 years ago I could have had Joel Rosen sign my car, but it's not a motion car and I don't care. Al may cry, but I passed on dinner at Settlemire's house this year. Know why? BFD. I don't care. I certainly don’t hold any of them in some revered state. Hell, when I went to London I spent a few minutes talking to Randy Johnson (the pitcher) because I bumped into him on the way to the concert. Did I harass him or ask for an autograph? No, I just bs-ed with him like I would with any guy, about the city, the show, etc. He was nice to me. But I know he has been a top shelf a-hole to some folks.

“Maybe I have an intresti n the wrong kind of car, for people to appreciate my knowledge, and likes and dislikes, but for now, its all I can afford.” - this roughly translates into “you all suck and I will show you I am better than you when I have more money”. You will learn that what a person makes has nothing to do with the quality of their character (in fact experience may teach you it’s the other way around). To make such a statement is just wrong. And your constant condescending attitude is way out of place. You just come off as a spoiled little know-it-all - not saying you are, but you sure come off that way.

You really need to chill. You always take stuff way to seriously and way to personally, like someone stepped on your puppy.

[Blacdout96]

I do take things personally, thats how I am, dont like it? dont post back, simple as that.

[WildBillyT]

Well im glad it came out sounding im arrogant and that my **** dont stink, thats exactly how i wanted it to sound, because I am, if you dont like it, go post a thread somewhere else and lock this one.

This place is full of arrogant a-holess, who feel theyare right and everyone else is wrong, so I feel, hey why not act like some of the arrogant a-holes. apparently Iguess my way of making me sound like it, is a little louder and more noticable then others, but you get the point. You flame me on making a suggestoin to be creative with a hood, then you flame me for saying why my car to me is unique after I was asked why I put money into my car, and then I get flamed because I say that I feel your assumptions on a great mind in the automotive indusrty are cruel, rude ,and very hurtful to some fans. you want to be ******** and arrogant andhave no remorse for what you guys harp on, fine, ill be an arrogant prick like you guys.

I was flaming you? Where? I was unaware that I was being arrogant. Disagreement is not equal to flaming, and none of this is personal in my opinion. I thought the "make your own hood" idea was a good one but not in Wayfast's situation.

[BonzoHansen]

So if someone disagrees with you they are "arrogant a-holes"?


I do take things personally, thats how I am, dont like it? dont post back, simple as that.Life is too short to be so angry.

[LTb1ow]

So if someone disagrees with you they are "arrogant a-holes"?


Life is too short to be so angry.


Yea, not gonna get far with that attitude.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

for those who are interested, I will be available to sign your car, shirt, picture, girlfriend, or poster monday through friday 10-6 @ JS Performance 9 reetz avenue Hulmeville PA 19047..

:lol:

[JL8Jeff]

for those who are interested, I will be available to sign your car, shirt, picture, girlfriend, or poster monday through friday 10-6 @ JS Performance 9 reetz avenue Hulmeville PA 19047..

:lol:

You arrogant a-hole!!! :lol:

-

[Blacdout96]

I was flaming you? Where? Disagreement is not equal to flaming, and none of this is personal.
Nah Bill your cool in my book.
So if someone disagrees with you they are "arrogant a-holes"?

Its one thing to say well I like such and such over Shelby. I didnt say he the greatest, everyone else sucks, infact you should all bow down to him, no, I expressed my views as to why he is one of the greatest minds in the history of automotive, and then all of a sudden you guys come out saying he's a scumbag, a shiester, Im not talking about his Legal problems and such, im talking about the hey day when racing was racing, when America was no where in sight in the europeans minds, when Ferrari was top do, and Ford would give anythign to knock them off that throne. Shelby has many achievements to his name, and I honor such a guy for what he has done. It would of been different if you would of said something like, oh well although Shelby might of had a strongpoint in developing endurance racecars, yunick had a knack for finding the grey area in rules, and making it work to his advantage. you see where that went, a nice comment to a nice comment.

[Blacdout96]

Yea, not gonna get far with that attitude.
I never expect to get far period. If I wass gonna be something, it would of happened already, so I jsut take it day by day. that and Im very irritable lately cause the Government is ****ign me over with my fiance, but thats another story for another day.

for those who are interested, I will be available to sign your car, shirt, picture, girlfriend, or poster monday through friday 10-6 @ JS Performance 9 reetz avenue Hulmeville PA 19047..

:lol:

:rofl: :rofl: almost tempting, would you sign my Ranger?

[JSPERFORMANCE]

My expertise is actually in signing the girlfriends but I will give it a try!

[LTb1ow]

I never expect to get far period. If I wass gonna be something, it would of happened already, so I jsut take it day by day.

Yea I feel you on that. God knows what the hell I am doing with my life.

[PolarBear]

for those who are interested, I will be available to sign your car, shirt, picture, girlfriend, or poster monday through friday 10-6 @ JS Performance 9 reetz avenue Hulmeville PA 19047..

:lol:

Please sign my hood before it leaves! Just scrub off some of the mold and moss in a spot

I met Settlemire this year too, we are best friends now! I almost spit water all over him, that was great, oh the memories. :rofl:

[BonzoHansen]

Its one thing to say well I like such and such over Shelby. I didnt say he the greatest, everyone else sucks, infact you should all bow down to him, no, I expressed my views as to why he is one of the greatest minds in the history of automotive, and then all of a sudden you guys come out saying he's a scumbag, a shiester, Im not talking about his Legal problems and such, im talking about the hey day when racing was racing, when America was no where in sight in the europeans minds, when Ferrari was top do, and Ford would give anythign to knock them off that throne. Shelby has many achievements to his name, and I honor such a guy for what he has done. It would of been different if you would of said something like, oh well although Shelby might of had a strongpoint in developing endurance racecars, yunick had a knack for finding the grey area in rules, and making it work to his advantage. you see where that went, a nice comment to a nice comment.

Mike asked if he charged you to sign it. Why? Because CS is of questionable character with a history of holding his hand out - there were even some related details offered (wait, you said there were no facts). Your rebuttal above would have been pretty good. Basically “On the track – awesome history. Off the track? I don’t know nor care” would have been fine. But you chose to escalate it into some personal affront as if we were “trash talking your mom”, then you end up name calling, insulting the entire community here. You can’t choose to escalate an issue then complain you are being flamed. Nada, you can’t have it both ways. Either act like an adult or act like child.

[NastyEllEssWon]

My expertise is actually in signing the girlfriends but I will give it a try!


can you sign my NAWWWS bottle?

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p219/wangenracer/sfsdf.jpg

[NJSPEEDER]

Blckdout, I don't know what your deal is. For some reason you are taking it as some huge insult that we don't all hae the same automotive hero as you.

Wanna play the "I've met...." game, how about this, I have raced against 3 generations of Andretti's and they were all kind enough to whip my ass. I have met Roger Penske, Warren and Kurt Johnson, ate lunch with Eddie and Ercy Hill once, talked about racing with Kenny Schrader, I am on a first name basis with the 3 winningest drivers in DIRT modified history, got the dime tour of Pat Musi's first stacker trailer only days after he bought it, I have met all 3 Wallace brothers(Kenny the Herminator is by far the most fun), I hung out with Justin Wilson, Graham Rahal, AJ Almendinger, and a bunch of other cool cats at the Rolex 24..........and the list goes on and on.

All of the people I met make me exactly one thing, lucky. I have been graced in life to meet a lot of the heroes of the sport I love. All of the meetings by no means make my opinion better or worse than yours of anyone elses.

My opinion of Carrol Shelby was formed just like yours, with an outside view of the situation. Maybe I just lay more weight on all of the ****** stuff he has done, especially since he got older. Either way, it is still an opinion.

-Tim

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Blckdout, I don't know what your deal is. For some reason you are taking it as some huge insult that we don't all hae the same automotive hero as you.

Wanna play the "I've met...." game, how about this, I have raced against 3 generations of Andretti's and they were all kind enough to whip my ass. I have met Roger Penske, Warren and Kurt Johnson, ate lunch with Eddie and Ercy Hill once, talked about racing with Kenny Schrader, I am on a first name basis with the 3 winningest drivers in DIRT modified history, got the dime tour of Pat Musi's first stacker trailer only days after he bought it, I have met all 3 Wallace brothers(Kenny the Herminator is by far the most fun), I hung out with Justin Wilson, Graham Rahal, AJ Almendinger, and a bunch of other cool cats at the Rolex 24, and best of all hung out with the JS Performance crew at Pinks All Out and drank all their booze..........and the list goes on and on.

All of the people I met make me exactly one thing, lucky. I have been graced in life to meet a lot of the heroes of the sport I love. All of the meetings by no means make my opinion better or worse than yours of anyone elses.

My opinion of Carrol Shelby was formed just like yours, with an outside view of the situation. Maybe I just lay more weight on all of the ****** stuff he has done, especially since he got older. Either way, it is still an opinion.

-Tim


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[Blacdout96]

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lol; nice. well NJSpeeder, I will say thats a good list, but I wont go into my list of who I met and what we did, cause im not gonna start another conflict here. to each his own. Im goign to end this on Shelby is a great guy, maybe you guys should meet him one day. He's done alot for the world of motorsports, and for car guys like us in general. Yes there are others outthere that have made quite a contribution, Like the great John Fitch, or Jim Hall. and these are the people I admire. Like I said, I dont like drag racing, and stockcar racing us so bland anymore, not even I can stand to bare and watch it. I like Vintage racing, I like cars that were years ahead in technology, like the Auto Union vs. Mercedes wars of the 1930's, and the Fordvs. Ferrari vs. Porsche era ofthe 1960's that new ideas were coming out so rapidly, that in 1960, some ofthe fastest speeds recorded down the mulsane straight were 150-170mph, to when the 1970's rolled around the Porsche 917LH's were around 240+mph!!! Were on differentpages of what we lke. NJSPEEDER is probably the closest to me in my fascination with road racing cars, so I dont have alot to relate to you guys. I dont know anyhting about drag racing, and NASCAR I watched since I was 7, but since my favorite Driver isnt rolling full time, I gave up on it.

As for a better answer to WF's question as to why do I put money into my car then when its just some V6, thats jsut it, it's a V6, a challange to me. just cause im missing 2 cylinders doesnt mean im not competative. also its better on gas, and as long as I keep people guessing as to what my car is, im happy with it. I dont need to go 10's to make me feel satisfied. I feel the CS signature does make it unique, maybe to me, idk, apparently its not unique to you guys, so im sorry to hear that, but like you guys say, to each his own. my car is unique, and looks damn good being unique. Im sorry to hear your not good with Fiberglass workings, which is why I have two spare 4.1gen hoods in my back yard that I work on to improve my abilities with it as well, even tho I worked around that stuff for years. get the cowl hood, get some aluminum, and make that Turkey pan WBT was talking about. but what would be NEAT for ya, is to get a leftover hood from someone, and try to build something while your car is on the road, and when your statisfied with it, strap it on, and show us. thats my suggestion.

[Mike]

the v6's getting better gas mileage argument is dead...ls1s commonly get mid to high 20s in the mpg department and i doubt the 3.8s were higher, i know my 3.4 wasnt

[Blacdout96]

...CBR wtf dude, are you really gonna pick apart my answer? your exactly the kind of person im talking about. chill the **** out, thats my opinion, damn dude.

to answer that then, first off, my car is a 96, so compare it to a LT1. my friend Fred wasent getting as good gas mileage with his LT1 as I was with my 3.8. Secondly, maybe it was the way you drove, or maintained your 3.4, theres a reason why they only ran that motor for 3 years, not enough umph to push a 3200+ pound car down the road. with 3.23 gears in my car ( its a rear from a 94 Camaro, so before you start crying they didnt have 3.23's in 3.8 automatics),I can go from here to conneticut, a 200+mile trip, and still have 3/4 of a tank left. I maintain my car really well, so that might be the contributing factor as to why my car gets good gas mileage, and probably other 3.8 owners dont get the same results, maybe they dont maintain, or drive like a grandma like me.

[Knipps]

Comparing mpg's is not an opinion.

[jims69camaro]

mark donahoe. read "The Unfair Advantage", then get back to me.
bob bondurant. he is one person willing to teach the most beginner driver to be able to take a road course, cut it up into neat little strips and have it for lunch. see "Bob Bondurant on High Performance Racing" or go take his course. then get back to me.

as far as Carroll Shelby, he is into rustnags. i don't like rustnags. i'd rather have the whole crew over at SLP, or Steve Spohn sign my car than CS. as far as i know, CS never had anything to do with my car. moreover, when it's done, the '87 will have more SLP and Spohn parts in it than GM oem stuff...

[NJSPEEDER]

the v6's getting better gas mileage argument is dead...ls1s commonly get mid to high 20s in the mpg department and i doubt the 3.8s were higher, i know my 3.4 wasnt

I get 29-31 depending on passengers and cargo on the highway and about 23-24 in my junky 8 mile stop and start commute through Trenton.

Stock V6's usually don't do that, but I know some modded ones that picked up a bunch of fuel economy. James and Craig both got better than stock mileage from their cars.

-Tim

[LTb1ow]

I get 20mpg in my LT1............ on the highway....

[WayFast84]

As for a better answer to WF's question as to why do I put money into my car then when its just some V6, thats jsut it, it's a V6, a challange to me. just cause im missing 2 cylinders doesnt mean im not competative. also its better on gas, and as long as I keep people guessing as to what my car is, im happy with it. I dont need to go 10's to make me feel satisfied. I feel the CS signature does make it unique, maybe to me, idk, apparently its not unique to you guys, so im sorry to hear that, but like you guys say, to each his own. my car is unique, and looks damn good being unique. Im sorry to hear your not good with Fiberglass workings, which is why I have two spare 4.1gen hoods in my back yard that I work on to improve my abilities with it as well, even tho I worked around that stuff for years. get the cowl hood, get some aluminum, and make that Turkey pan WBT was talking about. but what would be NEAT for ya, is to get a leftover hood from someone, and try to build something while your car is on the road, and when your statisfied with it, strap it on, and show us. thats my suggestion.

I honestly didn't care why you put money into your car..I know your car is nothing special.. I also know we don't need a reason to pour money into something we love so much...

Bottom line is you offered me a suggestion, and No one else thought it was a good suggestion, and then you got offended about it...

It happened in my thread and pretty much the same thing happened here.

[Blacdout96]

mark donahoe. read "The Unfair Advantage", then get back to me.
bob bondurant. he is one person willing to teach the most beginner driver to be able to take a road course, cut it up into neat little strips and have it for lunch. see "Bob Bondurant on High Performance Racing" or go take his course. then get back to me.

I really really really wanted that book this year when I was in Lime Rock, but its was too much. I heard its an awsome book, and when I saw it I thought of UBG, but I had a budget, and decided to go with a 1960-69 sports racing cars book. As for Bob Bondurat, I was thinking of going to his school, but I prefered to go to Skip's. 1 they have it at Lime Rock, and also cause I actually learned about Skip B's when I was 9! and always wantedto go since.
I get 29-31 depending on passengers and cargo on the highway and about 23-24 in my junky 8 mile stop and start commute through Trenton.

Stock V6's usually don't do that, but I know some modded ones that picked up a bunch of fuel economy. James and Craig both got better than stock mileage from their cars.
-Tim

I took my intake off this summer to replace the lifters and pushrods to see if I collapsed one, but its more intermintent, anyways, I looked into my upper intake, god I cant believe they thought that would allow our cars to breath. a crappy design, and poor quailty. Im sending my intake and heads out to jarhead when I begin my rebuild, see if they can breath a little easier.


I honestly didn't care why you put money into your car..I know your car is nothing special.. I also know we don't need a reason to pour money into something we love so much...

Bottom line is you offered me a suggestion, and No one else thought it was a good suggestion, and then you got offended about it...

It happened in my thread and pretty much the same thing happened here.

Listen , ill be honest, thats your opinion. maybe not to you, maybe not to anyone on this site, but you know what, my friends love my car, my family, since this car has stayed in it, are so glad to see it go to someone that properly had things done to it. I could of been some punk that put underbody strobe lights, and a rattle can in the back, and hauled ass around here. My car has come along way, and during that whole time, I got to drive it, it was road worthy. Only now am I retiring it from the streets so I can properly have a motor built and installed, and a few other chassis tweaks for it. It will get a 5 speed placed in it, the bilstein/Eibach setup all the way around, a quicker steering ratio, and at least one of my OMP 5 point racing seat built for it. My car is unique because how many V6's are on here, now how many are set up beyond what they were form the factory. I can count the amount on my 1 hand. now count the amount of LT-1's, 3rd gens, and LS-1's that are built beyond stock. More then you want to count right now right? My car is just as unique as I am cause I choose not to follow the crowd. I have had a few chances to have an LS-1, but I dont want one. all my vehicles besides my 79 have been V6's, and thats what I enjoy. Myabe later downthe road I will get a V8, but for now, a V6 is just fine, and its kept me out of the law im sure alot more then if I had 2 more cylinders squeezed between those fenders. I drive like a grandma, ask Bubba, but so what, Im not really ever in a rush, cept for work lol, but other then that, I EVENTUALLY get to where im going, cause i like cruising, so what do I need 2 more cylinders for if a V6 will cruise jsut the same.

Its hard to come on this site and talk to people on here. This place I once did feel was full of friendly people, but lately all you guys do is rip apart anyone who goes against the grain. its ashame. I know why UBG's site is more awsome, cause theres no judging there, you actually shoot the **** there. Wayfast, I hope you get your car done, you get the parts you want, and you enjoy the car. then bring it by my way, and we'll have a shootout with our whips, and shoot the ****, like good ol' jerseyan car enthusiest should be doing, like the old days of NJFBOA.

[WildBillyT]

I really really really wanted that book this year when I was in Lime Rock, but its was too much. I heard its an awsome book, and when I saw it I thought of UBG, but I had a budget, and decided to go with a 1960-69 sports racing cars book. As for Bob Bondurat, I was thinking of going to his school, but I prefered to go to Skip's. 1 they have it at Lime Rock, and also cause I actually learned about Skip B's when I was 9! and always wantedto go since.


Did you already go to Skips? If you did, kick me a PM with what you thought of it if you get a chance. I am deciding between SB and Bob B for a few summers from now and I'm gathering info from everybody I know who has gone to either.

Thanks

[Knipps]

I really really really wanted that book this year when I was in Lime Rock, but its was too much. I heard its an awsome book, and when I saw it I thought of UBG, but I had a budget, and decided to go with a 1960-69 sports racing cars book.

http://product.half.ebay.com/The-Unfair-Advantage_W0QQprZ1706067QQtgZinfo

Buy it Now for $15

[Blacdout96]

Get out!! sweet. They had a book at the place, thats fromthe 70's about the Mille Miglia, and had one of our cars we had in the museum this year, adn I was gonna buy it, but then I saw the price tag.....275 bucks!! wasent even leatherbound or anything.

[Knipps]

I'd check half.com for any books you're looking to buy and it helps to look at "other editions" for better pricing 8-)

[12secondv6]

Damn! Well, for everyone else that wants my signature to be placed on thier dash, please bring your car to either TGIF's in Brick tomorrow night or at trucks on Weds along with a 25 dollar donation to the Human Fund,
Human Fund: Money for People

I want to buy a challenger.... and have Al sign it ;)

[12secondv6]

Oh and...... 3.8 L v6's CAN NOT be quick...... it is NOT possible .... waste of money :nod:







:lol:

[WayFast84]

blacdout,

Im proud of you!!!

you know understand the concepts of opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[badzracing]

Oh and...... 3.8 L v6's CAN NOT be quick...... it is NOT possible .... waste of money :nod:







:lol:

Anything can be quick if you make it light enough and spray the unholy hell outta it...try making a 5000lb brick fast....that was a challenge ;)

[Blacdout96]

blacdout,

Im proud of you!!!

you know understand the concepts of opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and one day you just might too wayfat :D

[Rich189]

Wow this thread is funny.... my short and sweet answer no I havent leg humped the superstars or had a chance to meet many of them. Even if I did big ****** deal.

As for seeing cars I regularly work on (and get to drive )6 figure cars sure they are awsome and i would love to own one but big ****ing deal once again.

How I see it is people dont love your opinion you get butt hurt and go on the defensive for no reason what so ever and come off looking like wayfast does sometimes.... congrats. you are the new person for everyone to make fun of.

Oh and josh you can sign rust bucket so its not just your average run of the mill big block third gen... then people can leg hump me at shows for having the honor and pleasure of meeting you.

*edit* and if you give me a nice discount on work ill even let you sign ana too. Right on the forhead its like free advertising

[SteveR]

I want to buy a challenger.... and have Al sign it ;)

:rofl:

[jims69camaro]

like good ol' jerseyan car enthusiest should be doing, like the old days of NJFBOA.

uh, we're still doing that. don't know where you're hanging...

[Blacdout96]

Wow this thread is funny.... my short and sweet answer no I havent leg humped the superstars or had a chance to meet many of them. Even if I did big ****** deal.

As for seeing cars I regularly work on (and get to drive )6 figure cars sure they are awsome and i would love to own one but big ****ing deal once again.

How I see it is people dont love your opinion you get butt hurt and go on the defensive for no reason what so ever and come off looking like wayfast does sometimes.... congrats. you are the new person for everyone to make fun of.

Oh and josh you can sign rust bucket so its not just your average run of the mill big block third gen... then people can leg hump me at shows for having the honor and pleasure of meeting you.

Meh, I dont expect anyone to like anything. you cant please em all, or in this case, anyone lol.

[Blacdout96]

uh, we're still doing that. don't know where you're hanging...

At home usually. Not many places to go during down time, and when the weather gets cold ya know?

[Rich189]

Meh, I dont expect anyone to like anything. you cant please em all, or in this case, anyone lol.

My main point was nobody made a big deal about the autograph its when you got all pissy and turned into a dic k that people made a big deal about it. If you just let people agree or disagree you wouldnt be having all this trouble right now.

[Blacdout96]

who said its trouble, its died down, were all cool now. you arrived at the party when everyone was leaving, too late.

[Mike]

we arent all cool, your still an arrogant shelby sack swinger

[LTb1ow]

Partys back in swing.

[Blacdout96]

we arent all cool, your still an arrogant shelby sack swinger

Partys back in swing.

:rofl: :rofl: ****ing A lol

[LTb1ow]

I once had a signed mickey mouse stuffed animal. Does that count?

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Oh and josh you can sign rust bucket so its not just your average run of the mill big block third gen... then people can leg hump me at shows for having the honor and pleasure of meeting you.

*edit* and if you give me a nice discount on work ill even let you sign ana too. Right on the forhead its like free advertising


I am no good at signing foreheads, BOOBS make a much better canvas for artwork like that!

[Blacdout96]

I am no good at signing foreheads, BOOBS make a much better canvas for artwork like that!

Yes they coushin his palm to help aid his wrist. he got that carpet tunnel thingy :lol:

[ar0ck]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/nutswinger.gif

[BonzoHansen]

I am no good at signing foreheads, BOOBS make a much better canvas for artwork like that!

Is that a pen in your pocket or ar you just glad to see Bob?

That reminds me, Hooters Bensalem next Thursday night.

[BonzoHansen]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/nutswinger.gif

I was waiting to see that one was named :Al:

[jims69camaro]

and one day you just might too wayfat :D

nah.

[SteveR]

I got Roscoe Peacoletrain's autograph when I was 4. Thats about it.

[12secondv6]

Anything can be quick if you make it light enough and spray the unholy hell outta it...try making a 5000lb brick fast....that was a challenge ;)

:rofl:

Ture, very true :)

[V]

so you guys saying my Chris Cringle autographed stocking isnt worth a lot?