my faceplated T56 experience

[98tadriver]

i installed it today. Since i read other peoples threads about them, i knew exactly what to expect

shifting straight into first will clunk a little. i found shifting into 5th gear, then back into 1st solves that problem


shifting normal makes a clunking sound while going into gear
downshifting without rev matching will make a clunk/sort of grind sound

solution- double clutch it and/or rev match. doing this makes it go in smooth and noise free

1/4 mile runs/fast shifting- OMG i love it. just like ive read before- the harder you drive it, the smoother it goes in

for the hell of it i tried powershifting. that isnt a problem, just keep your right foot flat and bump the clutch while shifting, goes right in

theres no noise while cruising in any gear.

i will get in-car video as soon as it stops raining and is dry enough so i can get traction.

[LTb1ow]

Sorry for the newbness, but whats a faceplated T56 entail?

[Blacdout96]

So you have to heel-toe this thing when you downshift? I am also at a lose for the term "faceplate". It sounds like you no longer have synchros cause your saying your having a little trouble getting it into gear unless you match the RPMS and you get a clunk when engaging.

[WildBillyT]

So you have to heel-toe this thing when you downshift? I am also at a lose for the term "faceplate". It sounds like you no longer have synchros cause your saying your having a little trouble getting it into gear unless you match the RPMS and you get a clunk when engaging.

I am at a loss as well. Ron, could you clarify?

[1QWIKBIRD]

Here is an explanation.....

http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/face-tooth.asp

[Jersyboyy]

http://www.libertysgears.com/faceplate.htm

[Jersyboyy]

DAMMIT you really are 1QWIKBIRD...

[WildBillyT]

Gotcha. I was familiar with the pro-shifted gears but not the faceplated. That's pretty cool.

[sweetbmxrider]

oh i get it now. thats cool stuff.

[98tadriver]

sorry fellas, i just got home a lil while ago and checked this thread

im sure liberty's site explains it.

basically, theres no synchros from 1-4th gear. 5th, 6th and reverse retain them,

it wont pop out of gear upon decel like the proshifted transmissions
annd its very streetable for what it is. however if your 6spd car is your main DD or only car, i wouldnt do it.

So you have to heel-toe this thing when you downshift? I am also at a lose for the term "faceplate". It sounds like you no longer have synchros cause your saying your having a little trouble getting it into gear unless you match the RPMS and you get a clunk when engaging.

it goes in easy, it will just clunk unless the rpms are matched. and where im so used to driving my T56s with bad 3-4 synchros and not grinding (normal driving), its pretty easy for me to drive this one with no synchros

[rscamaro73]

Was this 'specialized' work you had done or just got a new trans already like this ?

I'm looking for whatever it takes to make a T-56 last behind a BBC and/or a hi-rpm LSx of the same power variety (for road course/auto-x).

Not in the market now, but I am looking and learning....:mrgreen:

[98tadriver]

Was this 'specialized' work you had done or just got a new trans already like this ?

I'm looking for whatever it takes to make a T-56 last behind a BBC and/or a hi-rpm LSx of the same power variety (for road course/auto-x).

Not in the market now, but I am looking and learning....:mrgreen:

i bought it like that from a member on LS1tech. you can get your trans built strong without the faceplating setup. I just wanted to experience this trans for myself

sixspeedsinc has a couple stages and decent pricing.

[PolarBear]

i bought it like that from a member on LS1tech. you can get your trans built strong without the faceplating setup. I just wanted to experience this trans for myself

sixspeedsinc has a couple stages and decent pricing.

I saw that on LS1 but I didnt want it. Now that I read your review I wish I had gotten it! :wink:

[98tadriver]

a little update on this, its still holding up great, and ive pretty much mastered street driving it and last year it was great ripping thru the gears down the track. on WOT runs, it sounds almost automatic at times :D and this is without powershifting or clutchless shifting

[Bangin Bob]

I wouldn't reccommend this for everyone but we build alot of these in case anyone is interested? 6 speeds and TKO 500/600 5 speeds. Had one in my mustang 10-15 yrs. ago all but went into the eights. Again not for everybody! Bob

[Blacdout96]

Bob, what do you recommend doing for road racing trans? I dont need one to go into the 8's, I need one to handle all the harsh shifting. will there be that awsome whine from the trans as well? lol

[Bangin Bob]

Bob, what do you recommend doing for road racing trans? I dont need one to go into the 8's, I need one to handle all the harsh shifting. will there be that awsome whine from the trans as well? lolI will assume that this is a part time street car road race car? If so I would probably think about converting it to a triple cone blocker ring arrangement like on the Corvette, GTO and Caddy. Pretty expenxive conversion. I do have a customer that has a GTO box that I refreshed that wants to sell it. Call me if your interested.

[GP99GT]

ron, you never got us a video you liar

[Tru2Chevy]

ron, you never got us a video you liar

You got to hear it at TTP's last Dyno Day....

- Justin

[PolarBear]

I didn't get to see it :)

[NJSPEEDER]

Let's just say that putting it in gear involves a loud and rather disconcerting clunk noise

[Blacdout96]

Let's just say that putting it in gear involves a loud and rather disconcerting clunk noise

thats exactly what i want lol. dont ask why, I just love the sound.

[Knipps]

Doing it for the sound? :rice:

[98tadriver]

Let's just say that putting it in gear involves a loud and rather disconcerting clunk noise

thats IF u dont rev match it lol. its quiet most of the time when i drive it. and matt, ill get you a inside video sometime soon. i just need a camera person. Ill get morgan freeman to narrarate as i drive lol. but yeah ill get that video sometime soon hopefully

[NJSPEEDER]

How does one rev match first Ron? lol

If you hadn't warned us what was gonna happen before he put it in reverse I would have sworn that something broke. lol

[Blacdout96]

Doing it for the sound? :rice:

Why do you put an exhaust on your car, cause you like the sound right? Using a transmission like that on the track for me is a symbol, like braking markers. it allows me to know the shift was inserted correctly. Theres a big difference in me buying an expensive transmission JUST cause i like the sound, and cause It would serve a purpose.

[Knipps]

Why do you put an exhaust on your car, cause you like the sound right? Using a transmission like that on the track for me is a symbol, like braking markers. it allows me to know the shift was inserted correctly. Theres a big difference in me buying an expensive transmission JUST cause i like the sound, and cause It would serve a purpose.
buying an exhaust for a few hundred compared to a transmission is quite different IMO. I was saying if you were buying the trans simply for the sound it makes it would be :rice: but if you had a purpose in mind then it wouldn't be. I'm not trying to call you out, just voicing my opinion.

[WildBillyT]

buying an exhaust for a few hundred compared to a transmission is quite different IMO. I was saying if you were buying the trans simply for the sound it makes it would be :rice: but if you had a purpose in mind then it wouldn't be. I'm not trying to call you out, just voicing my opinion.

Yeah, some early gen guys run the M-22 just for the sound.

[98tadriver]

How does one rev match first Ron? lol

If you hadn't warned us what was gonna happen before he put it in reverse I would have sworn that something broke. lol

lol you just have to know what rpm the motor will be at in the next gear. usually its like a 500rpm drop per upshift, 500rpm increase on downshift. it might sound confusing but its notbad