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foff667
11-21-2008, 06:51 PM
http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/225778-high-powered-vehicles-ban-law-enforcement-protection-act-2009-a.html

A prius maybe? Not many other vehicles that don't fall on that list :lol:

What a bunch of idiots with nothing but time on their hands.

Edit: can anyone confirm this is a real bill?

Tsar
11-21-2008, 07:01 PM
Can't be real. If it is, the sheer stupidity to even think to ban that many cars is astounding.

cdacda13
11-21-2008, 07:02 PM
Checking...Checking...Checking
So far, Google has nothing. Congress' website is hard to navigate.(Think that's intentional?)

Off to Lexus Nexus
Wait a tick, its currently only the 110th Congress, not 115th. That Bill is a fake!

//<86TA>\\
11-21-2008, 07:15 PM
thats quite a list, no one in my fam,ily even owns a car that isnt on that list, i guess we would all be screwed:lol:
its wants to ban anything over 150 bhp? so whats left after that? a bicycle?

I dont see how this bill could ever go anywhere, the stupidity of some people in our government is appalling.

BonzoHansen
11-21-2008, 07:28 PM
Phony based on the last comment "LULZ someone took her gun rights bill and changed some words around. Closing......."

Waxman just bullied his way to the head of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. That is not good. California is in charge. I hope SEMA lobbiests pay off well.

Saitin
11-21-2008, 07:29 PM
`(D) Any automobile or light duty truck that has an internal combustion engine and at least one of the following--
(i) a larger diameter exhaust system
`(iii) a rear spoiler that stands above the rear bodywork or sheet metal;
`(iv) a custom body kit or shroud;
`(v) non-OEM wheels & tires;
(vi) Stickers, decals, artwork, or graphics such as are typically found on racing vehicles;


that one is awsome
that just killed every ricer out there

WildBillyT
11-21-2008, 07:44 PM
There are many reasons why it's false.

If the gov't does anything I'd expect them to do an OEM horsepower cap at 400 or so to be legal in the US.

procamaroz28
11-21-2008, 10:17 PM
i hope ur kidding when u asked "is it real"....

foff667
11-21-2008, 11:00 PM
i hope ur kidding when u asked "is it real"....

It isn't far from the truth of whats going on behind the scenes whether this story is a hoax or not.

griftymcgrift
11-21-2008, 11:40 PM
WHAT!?!?! my civics gonna be so slow whemn i take the stickers off!!

haha

BTW: fake...

DevilDougWS6
11-22-2008, 12:37 AM
`(39) Forced Induction- The term `forced induction system' means any device contained in or attached to or any means by which an internal combustion engine may increase or boost the cylinder compression ratio, including turbochargers, superchargers, whipplechargers, rotochargers, Miller cycle, or ram-air.

haha, forced induction.

has to be fake. it does look like something that an ignorant government official would type up because they definitally dont know what they were talking about. a spoiler? how the **** does that make your car a better street racer?

Savage_Messiah
11-22-2008, 01:57 AM
:ban:

http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/1970Superbird.jpg

BonzoHansen
11-22-2008, 09:22 PM
It isn't far from the truth of whats going on behind the scenes whether this story is a hoax or not.

Fear Waxman & Pelosi....

jola
11-22-2008, 09:38 PM
I like how it bans actual car makes and models and not a certain hp to weight ratio limit. I also like how it bans out of production cars like the Firebird. As long as politics are run by money a bill this comprehensive will never gain ground.

NJ Torque
11-22-2008, 10:29 PM
I see Buick GN and GNX on that list...

BigAls87Z28
11-23-2008, 04:46 AM
Not going to happen. But for teh most part, that is what is gunna happen by 2020 anyway. 35mpg CAFE scores for cars AND trucks will put a huge hurt on performance vehicles.

sweetbmxrider
11-23-2008, 10:12 AM
:rofl: that is funny!

BonzoHansen
11-23-2008, 07:23 PM
Not going to happen. But for teh most part, that is what is gunna happen by 2020 anyway. 35mpg CAFE scores for cars AND trucks will put a huge hurt on performance vehicles.

They will adapt, they can. Problem is the kalifornians in charge are gonna want to push that time table up.

BigAls87Z28
11-23-2008, 09:20 PM
They will adapt, they can. Problem is the kalifornians in charge are gonna want to push that time table up.

Not only do they want to push it closer, but they want to raise it to 40.

Adapt? Evenutally we will see a phasing out of certain cars. 35-40mpg is gunna weed out everything.

BonzoHansen
11-23-2008, 09:25 PM
Then more gas for my cars!!!

BigAls87Z28
11-23-2008, 10:17 PM
Well, see...the problem is, that if you have cars that get better gas milage, studies have shown that people will just drive more, and not use less gas.
If you want to see people stop using gas and stop dependence on oil, hike the gas tax higher.
We all saw what happend when gas hit 4 bucks a gallon. That alone did more to change the automotive landscape in this country in 6 months then the goverment had tried to do for the last 25 years.

BonzoHansen
11-24-2008, 08:15 AM
Yeah, well, that is why CAFE is a farce.

BigAls87Z28
11-24-2008, 08:54 AM
Big Al's plan to action
Give Big 3 25b in Green Restructuring, and another in 25b in loans they have to pay back.
Raise gas tax to recover 25 billion in green bill
make the other 25b back with intrest.

Big 3 use 25b to make and bring green cars here faster, and the US helps out its manufacturing base to be more compeditive and build better cars for the enviroment. People beg for American green technology, the Big 3 rise back to the top again with innovation an technology, and America is powerful yet again.

Big Al in 2012.

Frosty
11-24-2008, 09:28 AM
Raise the gas tax? Why? What's more important? Reduced oil consumption or a stronger economy? Shipping/transportation is a huge part of this country's economy.

BonzoHansen
11-24-2008, 09:38 AM
Raise the gas tax? Why? What's more important? Reduced oil consumption or a stronger economy? Shipping/transportation is a huge part of this country's economy.

I guess it depends on the price of fuel. At 1.75 adding $.50 is ok by me, at $4 it is not. You have to address fuel supply too. No more different mixtures by state (FU kalifornia), for instance.

Frosty
11-24-2008, 09:48 AM
Isn't there something like 19 different mixtures throughout the country...or something like that?

BigAls87Z28
11-24-2008, 10:25 AM
Raise the gas tax? Why? What's more important? Reduced oil consumption or a stronger economy? Shipping/transportation is a huge part of this country's economy.

All of it. But in the end, it will help us out.
Better then mandating that cars HAVE to have 35mpg average, forcing people into cars they dont want to drive.
People should chose what they want, its what has made America what it is. So we pay a bit more at the pump, doesnt matter.