2010 Mustang Pricing

[LS1Hawk]

Still cheaper than Camaro and Challenger:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/03/ford-prices-2010-mustang-cheaper-than-challenger-camaro/?icid=100214839x1214729204x1200885677

[mc73nova]

Less money for less of a car. Makes sense.

[Tsar]

And uglier. Wasn't it suppose to be redesigned?

[BonzoHansen]

And uglier. Wasn't it suppose to be redesigned?

I thought it was more of a facelift, like the 91-92 firebird

[Tsar]

I thought it was more of a facelift, like the 91-92 firebird
My bad, I thought it was suppose to be redesigned. :shrug: I guess I should read more auto-news.

[BonzoHansen]

My bad, I thought it was suppose to be redesigned. :shrug: I guess I should read more auto-news.

Either way still sucks, lol

[qwikz28]

I thought it was more of a facelift, like the 91-92 firebird

no my friend. i believe that is an all new mustang... or at least thats what i thought.

[bobb1589]

the differences in power is insane... i thought they would be somewhat similar in comparison to the new camaro's hp.... only 210hp /240tq on the 6 and 315hp/325 tq on the v8... huge differences

[Knipps]

Looks like http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/turd.gif, Specs like http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/turd.gif, must be http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/turd.gif

[madness410]

Looks like http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/turd.gif, Specs like http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/turd.gif, must be http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/turd.gif

looks like brown snake, specs like brown snake, must be brown snake?

[NJSPEEDER]

Shame is that you have to pay the premium for the Mustang GT to get only a handful more power than the $23k base Camaro.

The Mustang is, and will remain, a nice car. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't have bad power, it doesn't have great power. It isn't the ugliest car on the road, but it won't win a design contest either. And that is exactly why it sells, it doesn't cost much and it doesn't offend anyone at the same time.

It is a formula that GM and Chrysler could stand to apply a little more. Stop making bells and whistles loaded cars with prices to match and try making something that is sensible and fun.

[maroman88]

uglyyyyyyyy

[procamaroz28]

new rustang looks aight... but still will not buy if it still has the crude 5 speed and not the m6

[Frosty]

Looks like http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/turd.gif, Specs like http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/turd.gif, must be http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/turd.gif

...and sadly it will still outsell the Camaro once the hype dies down. :(

[procamaroz28]

...and sadly it will still outsell the Camaro once the hype dies down. :(

thats cool... camaro gets some exclusivity, so it dont become a "me too" car

[BigAls87Z28]

$500 bucks seperates a 210hp 4.0 V6 Mustang 26 5spd manual live axle redesign from a 305hp 3.6 direct injected 27mpg, 6spd manual IRS all new design.

While the base GT starts at 27k, the preminum GT will start at, yet again, 400-500 dollars behind the Camaro SS.

[qwikz28]

camaro v6 with SS suspension, wheels, and brakes :) deal of a century

[BigAls87Z28]

I would like to see that, if RS got more then just the SS's wheels and spoiler.
FE3 suspension and brakes...mmmm yeah.

[NastyEllEssWon]

the new camaro is fat, slow, ugly and independant rear suspensioned.....isnt this the reason the gto didnt sell?


http://blogs.cars.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/25/camarostang1.jpg




I dont see much of a difference really

[NJSPEEDER]

Do you strive so sound like a retard when you post or is it just a gift?

The GTO didn't have any problem selling. In fact there are a lot of people who have commented over the years that not nearly enough of them were imported.

[Savage_Messiah]

the new camaro is fat, slow, ugly and independant rear suspensioned.....isnt this the reason the gto didnt sell?


http://blogs.cars.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/25/camarostang1.jpg




I dont see much of a difference really

1) go see an optometrist

2) It's slow? Oh yeah, you rced one today right?

[Frosty]

the new camaro is slow

Slow? It'll be faster than it's competition...and faster than your mid 13 second screamer.

[LTb1ow]

Slow? It'll be faster than it's competition...and faster than your mid 13 second screamer.

What??? Faster than an LS1??? Can't be! :rofl:

[Frosty]

:rofl: Yeah, the I guess the "1" in LS1 means it's #1 right?

[LTb1ow]

:rofl: Yeah, the I guess the "1" in LS1 means it's #1 right?

Its one of those, "my LS1 is so fast, my LS1 is so fast,my LS1 is so fast,my LS1 is so fast,my LS1 is so fast,my LS1 is so fast, I say it so it must be true"

[NastyEllEssWon]

yeah just wait. we'll see how fast these are. im not saying my car is the fastest in the world...but seeing how most sedans are running 14s these days the camaro isnt a heart stopper.


4k lbs of nothing.



also the rear window doesnt flow with the rear crease at all....its hideous. you say what you want and ill say what i want. ban me cause i dont like the 5th gen.

[LTb1ow]

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5408/banhammer2ug.jpg

[NJSPEEDER]

The 6 cyl will be a high to mid 13second car and the V8 will roll well into the 12's.

BTW, the new Camaro only weighs about 100lbs more that a lot of 4th gen coupes. That isn't much considering it is a 5star crash rating vs the 3.5 of the previous cars along with how many more standard features the new car has.

Hell, my hardtop with rather typical options weighed a touch under 3700 when I went to the track the first time and I don't have leather, t-tops, or any of the heavy SS options. I don't consider the new car being 3900lbs full wet a very big deal.

The kicker that will get JL8Jeff to buy it is that the towing capacity is nearly doubled. lol

[Frosty]

There's a difference between not liking the 5thgen and being completely clueless. I'm not all about the new Camaro either...the looks are "ok"....I still hate the interior....I don't like IRS(I'd rather have a solid axle) but to call it slow....it's ridiculous and unfounded. Considering a slightly tweaked V6 "should" give a lot of stock LS1's a run for it's money calling it slow is downright retarded.

[procamaroz28]

really i wouldnt even call the v6 slow... may be its cause i got a ruststang LOL... but seriously all these new v6 got some power look at the CTS and aven the acura TL type S... now imagine how that new LS is gonna be even compared with the LS1 if u like that so much

[NastyEllEssWon]

we'll see when people run them in the real world. on paper they dont that great.

[BonzoHansen]

BTW, the new Camaro only weighs about 100lbs more that a lot of 4th gen coupes. That isn't much considering it is a 5star crash rating vs the 3.5 of the previous cars along with how many more standard features the new car has.

Wait, I thought 4th gens were around 3300-3400 lbs or so. 2010 SS is tipping over 3900. I'm getting poor intel.

[NJSPEEDER]

A stripped V6 may be down there is weight, I would say that a "light" 4th gen is more typically around 3500 or so lbs, maybe it is 3300-3400 dry.

[BigAls87Z28]

the new camaro is fat, slow, ugly and independant rear suspensioned.....isnt this the reason the gto didnt sell?


http://blogs.cars.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/25/camarostang1.jpg




I dont see much of a difference really

Fat? Its a bit portly, sure, but whatever.
Slow? 0-60 if 4.6, deep into the 12's int he 1/4...
Ugly? Your opinion, but its not shared with the majority.
And yes...IRS
None of which why the GTO didnt sell.
GTO sold well, especially compared to its competition and even better when it got teh LS2.
GTO outsold the 04 Cobra and 02 Trans Am. I also belive it outsold your beloved catfish SS cars in 02 as well.
GTO didnt fail. It didnt burn the charts up, but then again it really didnt have the ability. Shipping 12-18k units to the US for ONLY 3 years was the deal. If they sold all 18k units in the first month, for three years, it still would have only been 3 years.
And it did well enough to bring a much better equiped G8 here to the US as well, in 4 flavors. V6, 2 V8's and a truck variant.

[NastyEllEssWon]

:rofl: your sadly mistaken if you think i like the looks of 4th gen camaros. imo theyre exceptionally hideous. i enjoy everything else about it. only reason i got a camaro is cause ws6's are too overpriced imo.

camaro is supposed to be a bang for your buck car.


i highly doubt its gonna be running in the low 12s. ill believe it when i see production cars clipping off those numbers.



im actually partial to the thirdgens in the looks dept.

[LTb1ow]

im actually partial to the thirdgens in the looks dept.

You sir, are one confused person.... :cry: A thirdgen > 4th gen???

[LS1Hawk]

i highly doubt its gonna be running in the low 12s. ill believe it when i see production cars clipping off those numbers.

4th gens typically ran in the 13s. But, with the right driver, an LS1 4th gen could run in the high 12s...so i wouldn't be surprised if the 5th makes mid to low 12s.

[Frosty]

You sir, are one confused person.... :cry: A thirdgen > 4th gen???

I have to agree with him to a point, especially in the Camaros. A nice clean Iroc or Z28>>>>>>than a oversized Geo Storm, er I mean LT1 Camaro

[BonzoHansen]

I have to agree with him to a point, especially in the Camaros. A nice clean Iroc or Z28>>>>>>than a oversized Geo Storm, er I mean LT1 CamaroAlso GTA >>>> LT-1 T/A

I'd also rather have the standard SBC setup than that bastardized mess LT-1.

[Tsar]

Turd gens are pitiful.

[NastyEllEssWon]

ls1 camaros look like chryslers. lt1s look like big geo storms :rofl:



third gen looks are timeless....i enjoy the older ones but dont spend my time thinking about them....id rather have an ugly car that handles good than a beautiful car that rides like a school bus :mrgreen:

[BigAls87Z28]

G8 GXP is the closest we are gunna get to Camaro SS times. Shave 150lbs off the G8, and thats the Camaro for the most part.

5th gens are a half a second faster to 60, so its safe to say that the 5th gen will be at least that through the 1/4. And for a lower price too.
Figure that an SS optioned to match the 5th Gen SS would be priced out at around 32k, and that is in 2002 dollars. A 1SS Camaro is 31k..

[qwikz28]

A stripped V6 may be down there is weight, I would say that a "light" 4th gen is more typically around 3500 or so lbs, maybe it is 3300-3400 dry.

my car, with 3/8th tank, me, and back when i had the stereo system weighed 3720 at raceway's scales. i'm not a light guy either. my registration says 3411 curb weight for an LS1 car with leather and ttops.

[jims69camaro]

geez, you guys are all over the place.

i'll continue to drive my 1st gen as occasionally as i do now. i will turn up the heat on getting the '87 done this year (2009). i will buy a fully optioned 2010 camaro RS/SS.

why fully optioned? in my old age i have come to appreciate the cushier things in life. also, i know from experience that you have to spend money to make money (1969 RS/SS 375hp 396 JL8 > 1969 307 coupe - in dollars). i also look at things from a deeper perspective than what i am going to climb in and drive today, and i know investment means long-term. i'm not buying this car to play on the strip with. i have other plans for that.

if/when i ever sell the 2010, it will be for more than i paid for it. think about that for a while.

[BonzoHansen]

geez, you guys are all over the place.

i'll continue to drive my 1st gen as occasionally as i do now. i will turn up the heat on getting the '87 done this year (2009). i will buy a fully optioned 2010 camaro RS/SS.

why fully optioned? in my old age i have come to appreciate the cushier things in life. also, i know from experience that you have to spend money to make money (1969 RS/SS 375hp 396 JL8 > 1969 307 coupe - in dollars). i also look at things from a deeper perspective than what i am going to climb in and drive today, and i know investment means long-term. i'm not buying this car to play on the strip with. i have other plans for that.

if/when i ever sell the 2010, it will be for more than i paid for it. think about that for a while.

keeping it until you're 95? :)

[GP99GT]

:threadsu:

[Savage_Messiah]

third gen looks are timeless


http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg319/savage__messiah/454494396_9afb8c3607.jpg

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Nice, im not sure what responses u expected to get but haters on a Gm board but it looks like we might see our 1st 12 second GT...I think it looks good ,ford did the visual overhall they needed 4 years ago....and the terminator in 04 put to rest the head to head debate.

[BigAls87Z28]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg319/savage__messiah/454494396_9afb8c3607.jpg

4th Gen...
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3227536/2/istockphoto_3227536_wedge_of_swiss_cheese.jpg

http://mythrilsecurity.com/store/images/DSAL-2.jpg

http://www.homedepot.ca/wcsstore/HomeDepotCanada/images/catalog/68d4c5b7-d2bd-4c97-8025-25d6b08cb64d_4.jpg

[NJSPEEDER]

Ban you cuz you don't like 5th gens? No, we're gonna ban you cuz your an *********

Since when were you included in the "we" that can do anything about anything?

Giant step back killer. You haven't exactly proven yourself to be the brightest bulb either.

[Mike]

it must be slow because its a irs car?

it must be slow because its an ls3?

hows that working for corvettes?

lets play a fact game.
1. anyone owning a car with a 7.5'' ten bolt, can not under any circumstances, talk **** about another rear end design.
2. your car, with the awesome ls1, in 1998 trim was rated at 5 more horsepower than the new v6 car, awesome dude, your the ****in man

when you awesome car can out run my truck, you can call things slow, until shut your arrogant retarded ass up or go make a fool of your self on some other ****ing forum


and scott, my car was 3760 the first time i took it to the track

[NastyEllEssWon]

yes well i offered my opinion. i never said its slow cause it has blah blah blah. i have no problem with irs...had a few cars that were irs...loved the.....a camaro with irs???? just doesnt fit right in my head. i just feel that the new camaro...while a stout car in its own right...it just doesnt feel right calling it a camaro.





i never claimed my car was superior. so your arrogance precedes you. the fact that i think gm is ruining the camaro has nothing to do with my car. jesus christ everything goes back to my car my car my car. shut your fingers in a car door or something...that will give you something just to scream about.

[Mike]

actually in several of the ls1 vs. lt1 arguments, you mentioned that your car is superior, so yea i can read.

oh, and try not to act like a child with the whole wishing physical injury

[NastyEllEssWon]

i wasnt wishing physical injury...im just noting the fact that if you did...you would be justified to cry and scream about it.....unlike the argument you posted beforehand.



yes i have stated that ls1s are superior than lt1s. last i checked the new camaro doesnt have a ltx in it :mrgreen:

[7pointoh]

Well the Mustang has a good following and 40 years of history. It might not be that fastest or the best at anything but the one thing I will admit is that it sold. And it really doesn't matter what type of people bought the car, it still sold.

And as far as power in today's age, I'm beginning to think that 400hp out of a factory car is becoming more of a norm. Nowadays, 500hp is the new 400hp. And the LS1's never produced that type of power from the factory.

[WildBillyT]

the fact that i think gm is ruining the camaro has nothing to do with my car.

This implies that it was good before they went with the 5th gen. Not so. It sold like ice cubes to eskimos.

[NastyEllEssWon]

well my problem with it is the fact that the closest thing we can compare to a camaro is the g8 gxp.


4025 lbs
400 hp
13.0 1/4 mile


thats with a 6 speed manual. thats what the camaro is gonna be looking at. with 100 more ''horsepower'' than the previous generations they should be faster than what they are. the only reason hp ratigns are going up is because cars are becoming heavier and heavier. Im not even mentioning the fact that the Automatic camaro will have DoD and will be crap for tuning.

im done on this subject. gm shouldve left the camaro dead....its better than disrespecting it.



edit:: It sold like crap because they didnt advertise. Whens the last time you saw a camaro in a commercial? Now think...whens the last time you saw a mustang in a commercial? i bet it was within the last few days. last camaro commercial i remember was back when i was a kid


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_5QzMFQxkg&feature=related

[WildBillyT]

well my problem with it is the fact that the closest thing we can compare to a camaro is the g8 gxp.


4025 lbs
400 hp
13.0 1/4 mile


thats with a 6 speed manual. thats what the camaro is gonna be looking at. with 100 more ''horsepower'' than the previous generations they should be faster than what they are. the only reason hp ratigns are going up is because cars are becoming heavier and heavier. Im not even mentioning the fact that the Automatic camaro will have DoD and will be crap for tuning.

im done on this subject. gm shouldve left the camaro dead....its better than disrespecting it.


I will be so bold as to say speed isn't what sells cars. If it did, the previous gen Mustang should have been blown the hell out of the water by the LS1 f-bodies.

GM needs to make a car that can sell. Sure, they may piss off purists and enthusiasts but at least they will have a winner that puts money in their empty pockets.

Edit re your edit: It sold like crap for more than just advertising. It was a great powerplant in a crappy shell, and it wasn't really what the target market segment could afford. There were also 4 "the musclecar lives" LS1 T/A advertisements, that were cool and catchy and still didn't sell dick.

[NastyEllEssWon]

we'll see how it does. i for one think it doesnt stand a chance unless they move move move move move the base models.



i just kinda feel like gm is dragging the name through the mud. not to mention they let the mustang and challenger beat them to the punch. gm is always late to the party with the same shirt on as everyone else.

[WildBillyT]

we'll see how it does. i for one think it doesnt stand a chance unless they move move move move move the base models.



i just kinda feel like gm is dragging the name through the mud. not to mention they let the mustang and challenger beat them to the punch. gm is always late to the party with the same shirt on as everyone else.

I couldn't agree more with your first point. They will fail big if they can't sell the base models.

As far as dragging the name through the mud... I think the name was stale. It became a cookie cutter car towards the end. No cool features except for the powerplant. Cheap underpinnings and cheaper interior. Flaws that everybody "deals with" like the rear, and the window motors, and the piston slap, and the PVC pulling oil, and the leaky t-tops, and ridiculously awful looking stock rims.

They needed a reboot. We will have to see how it goes.

[NastyEllEssWon]

true about the 4th gens. my driver motor died months ago and my passenger window is sloooooooow. the rears are crap too.


they shouldve left the camaro where it was in the past and completely came out with a new pony car. thats just the point i guess im trying to make. fbodies are gone....id rather spend the money on a hyundai genesis


which brings up a new question i never thought of.......whats the camaros warranty like?

[NJSPEEDER]

It is the same warranty as the rest of GM's line up, 100k mile

The new Camaro is 100lbs or more lighter than a G8 and will be delivered with 30 more HP. Mathematically, that will put it about 1/2 a second quicker than a 4th gen. Hmmm, half a second, an LT1 Camaro is half a second quicker than an L98 and an LS1 is about half a second quicker than an LT1.......yup, looks like they got it about right to me.

So the window motor died on a 10 year old car? Wow, must be a POS. :roll:

You really do come off as an uninformed jackass. If you don't like the new car, just say that. Trying to back up your claim with wrong information or flat out stupid statements that you want to pass off as fact isn't helping.

Seriously man, I don't know what you want your point to be, but you are missing the mark pretty bad.

[NastyEllEssWon]

someone on the internet missed the point? stop the presses :rofl:



my comment is that people are sucking on gm teets over this new camaro, while forgetting how gm spat in our face for the last 7 years. theyre just trying to milk the camaro name and heritage and its disgusting. just like how slp wants to slap the firehawk badge on everything.


the new camaro is a complete redesign. gm should look toward the future with their cars and stop milking off names from the past. i think its disgusting that so many fbody owners let gm pull the wool over their eyes, blow the smoke up our ass and toss us a piece of crap, badge it as a maro and no one notices

[karr95]

Going back a few pages on this thread, didn't they kill the GTO because it wouldn't pass airbag standards or something? Not that it was a failure. I have driven several LS1 GTO's and a few LS2's, awesome driving car.

[jims69camaro]

Since when were you included in the "we" that can do anything about anything?

Giant step back killer. You haven't exactly proven yourself to be the brightest bulb either.

giant snap!

[NJSPEEDER]

The GTO was intended to be a short lived project. They knew the platform it was being produced on was going out of phase and that it would not meet the updated tier impact standards for the US market.

NastyEllEssWon, you keep changing your angle. Now it is GM's fault that the 4th gen was put to an end and the new car is a failure because of that? That has to be the dumbest point you have tried to make yet.

As far as people sucking up to GM over the new car, sorry, but some of us like the styling and understand where the performance will be. There are still things about the car that I would like to see chnaged and I have voiced those opinions in the past as well. But just because I don't see the new car as being perfect does not mean that it will automatically fail.

[LTb1ow]

He is upset cause his engine is going to be completely out of date and gathering dust soon.

[NastyEllEssWon]

rofl :rofl:



isnt your car the one thats gathering dust? my car runs just fine.





i never said it was GMs fault the camaro died. christ. i wish i can explain myself better on the internet. GM killed the camaro. DONE. they shouldve left it.


my whole point is THE NEW CAMARO.....ISNT A CAMARO.



if that makes sense....if not ill explain it in person sometime in the future

[jims69camaro]

Seriously man, I don't know what you want your point to be, but you are missing the mark pretty bad.

you must've had your wheaties this morning. way to go, timbo.

[NJSPEEDER]

rofl :rofl:



isnt your car the one thats gathering dust? my car runs just fine.





i never said it was GMs fault the camaro died. christ. i wish i can explain myself better on the internet. GM killed the camaro. DONE. they shouldve left it.


my whole point is THE NEW CAMARO.....ISNT A CAMARO.



if that makes sense....if not ill explain it in person sometime in the future

How is it not a Camaro? Is a second gen not a Camaro any more because it wasn't a first gen? What about the other generations? What is the big deal about a new car. GM changed the Camaro's platform 4 time before, what is the big deal about it being on a new platform now?

The F-body went away because of a lack of sales on a vehicle that was already living under a suffering margin. It was a marketing failure in a time when people were getting away from sports and compact cars and into larger vehicles and trucks. The Camaro was odd man out, that is life, get over it.

BTW, My Camaro is my daily driver, runs great, gets good mileage, and moves along pretty damn good. I guess that is one more point that you completely missed the mark on. Not that it surprises any of us.

[LTb1ow]

How much is a mustang since my car apparently doesn't work?

[NastyEllEssWon]

i have nothing bad to say about your camaro. that remark was guided towards shownomercy.



lol if you think im missing your point, your wrong. i just dont like the new camaro and enjoy random bantering even more.

[LTb1ow]

My car runs well enough to rip on LS1s.

[NastyEllEssWon]

ill see you next season :wink:

[LTb1ow]

Your coming with me to get a new mustang?

[jims69camaro]

:popcorn:...

[Knipps]

http://www.razaodiada.orconhosting.net.nz/Stupid%20thread.gif

[BigAls87Z28]

I see what young Nasty is trying to say.

He thinks that the 5th gen is not a Camaro at all. Its just a futuristic space car that just so happens to wear ill fitting skin of a 69 and share a name.
It has modern fandangled doohickies such as IRS, active fuel management, 6 air bags standard, advanced stability and traction controls, and other things that Camaros shouldnt have.


Nasty is one of the "box with a big engine in it" people. These people are not aligned with any brand, name plate, or vehicle, but just that its a box with a big engine in it.
Had this been a leaf spring'ed 12 bolted M-22 shifting 454 2010 Camaro SS, he would outdo even myself in the nutswinging. He has not evolved his thinking to what a modern sports car is. These knuckel draggers are somewhere between the Mustang GT500 and the Challenger.

Now some of you might like thoes type of cars, as do I, but we have evolved our thinking of what a MODERN sports car must have to survive.

If we look at the evolution of Camaro, we can see that as every generation moved foward, the angle was more on total package then straight performance. While Mustang was the jack-of-all-trades, master-of-sales type car, the Camaro had a goal of being the total package car. Second gens brought this foward with just the idea of European styling. Front wheel disk brakes standard, assortment of engines as well as the road-racing Z28 car leading the pack. While Ford just had a million variations of thier Mustang. The GT, Boss cars, Cobra's, GT350 and GT500's, there was just so much that clouded the Mustang, and by the mid 70's it was a big Pinto.
Camaro moved on, developing an all new platform for 82, and this is what I equate the 5th gen too.
In 1982, the conventional thought was leaf springs and SLA front end. But Camaro came out with a McPherson strut front end, and a multilink solid rear end using coil springs. It blew the Mustang, and many others in and out of its class, out of the water reguarding its handling. While its 305's didnt blaze any new records, the car still took MT's Car of the Year. Few years later, in came the IROC package, and the car became better and better. Then powertrains started to catch up and by 1992, the Z28 with the B2L/L98 was probably the best bang for the buck car on the road.

The 4th gens took the evolution to the next level. They pushed foward with the performance almost too far. 275hp in the days of 150hp family sedans ruled the roads. With the added performance came loss of ergonomics, added with subpar quality materials, and you had a performance machine that would rattle the fun right out of it.

The 5th gen brings yet another evolution to the game. Step up in the handling, step up in the ride, step up in performance, and a step up in design. A move to higher quality interiors, and a move to better ergonomics, this car is designed for the modern age. Sure its design makes you drool, but its not too loud that it will scare the neighbors. It will supply a nice package, and thats just the V6. No longer will the V6 car be the fall back car, but the car that people would like to own because this car is a great deal. It looks good, it sounds good, it performs great, it feels great, and it wont rape your wallet at the dealer or at the pump.

Some people still think the world is flat. Thoes people drive LS1 cars and think that the 5th gen is a POS. Impossible they say...IRS, 300hp, 6spd manual or auto trans, quality interior materials, superior crash saftey, great gas milage, and amazing looks, and starting for under 23k? That could never happen.
Well to thoes people, I give you the globe


http://blog.niot.net/blog-images/22_mar/lutz-says-gm-considering-2-0-liter-turbo-for-camaro.jpg

[qwikz28]

i never understood the argument that the 5th gen is ugly. the fact that it gained this much press should speak volumes about the car's outward appearance. i'm sorry if you find it to be unattractive, but in the grand scheme of things your opinion doesn't matter because you are the minority. thats all that matters

the majority of people wanted the car to look like that

the majority of people wanted IRS

the majority of people wanted a 5 star safety rating (which as you know adds weight)

make sense yet?

[LTb1ow]

No!
It lacks an LS1, which as we all know, was touched by God!
Do not want!

[LTb1ow]

I usually don't make any sense at all.

[procamaroz28]

make sense yet?

No!
It lacks an LS1, which as we all know, was touched by God!
Do not want!

now that dont make sense

[Knipps]

Reeding this maeks my hed hert

[procamaroz28]

I usually don't make any sense at all.

:lol: got ya

[LTb1ow]

Was bantering with Mr. I have an LS1 and its better than you. but he left.