Eagle F1 GS-D3 tires

[PolarBear]

Looking into getting these tires for the GTA. Seem to be mid range in price for a tire of its catagory and it seems like it gets good reviews on Tirerack.
Anybody have them? Opinions?

[WildBillyT]

I have never owned them personally but a good friend of mine had them on his 2000 Z28 and they were gumballs; really held the corners well and even kept him from being able to smoke em up from a standstill (he had 2.73 rear gears).

If I had decent rims, that's what I'd run.

[BigAls87Z28]

GS-D3's are outstanding.
I was actually looking at the new BFG Super Sport Gforce tire. They were running a special on them for like 92 bucks a tire about 2 months ago.

[NJ Torque]

They are good tires.

Also, whats good and is cheaper is the new "Feirce" UHP's... the old GY GS-D2's, have them in 275/40ZR17's on the T/A and they are really good, both rain and dry.

PM me what size your looking for, I can probably get them for you and save shipping.

[PolarBear]

I need two 275-40-17 for my GTA.
I also like the aggressive tread on them but I am open to other brands and makes. I wanted Yokohama AVS Sports but I guess they stopped making them as I cant find them in that size. I also was interested in competition tires but it seems there are not too many DOT or close to DOT. I also liked the Yoko A032R's but they dont make them at all anymore.

[NJ Torque]

http://www.kellytires.com/kellytires/graphics/Tires/full/fierce_uhp.jpg

Can get you those, Kelly Fierce UHP, the old GS-D2's...

[PolarBear]

How would those compare to the D3's in performance? I am looking for sticky, cost and life are not much of a factor, Tires probably wont get worn out for a few years. Specially since I dont drive it much right now :lol:

[NJ Torque]

Right up there with them... they are just noiser. Which to me, are less then my sumitomos

[BigAls87Z28]

Wow, good way to pass off old technology. Rebadge it and sell it under your lower end brand.

[NJSPEEDER]

For the price of them, I am sure you can find much better options. Have you looked into a DOT race tire? Or is that not a consideration?

I have never been a fan of Goodyear tires, every set I ever owned failed to live up to the performance for the price and they don't heat cycle or wear well if you decide to do some 'spirited' driving.

[BonzoHansen]

I never liked 'good for a year' tires if I have to own them >3 years.

[PolarBear]

I also was interested in competition tires but it seems there are not too many DOT or close to DOT. I also liked the Yoko A032R's but they dont make them at all anymore.
For the price of them, I am sure you can find much better options. Have you looked into a DOT race tire? Or is that not a consideration?
You dont like to read posts do you? :wink:
I never liked 'good for a year' tires if I have to own them >3 years.

You need to back this up please. What didnt you like about them?

wear well if you decide to do some 'spirited' driving.
What do you mean by this statement?

[PolarBear]

For the price of them, I am sure you can find much better options.

I am open up to other options. Billy mentioned they are really sticky and I like the aggressive tread pattern. In the performance catagory they are about the same price as anything else. What do you like/recommend? As I said the tires I have wanted are no longer made.

I am looking for something to compare this tire to. I have only owned one set of performance tire so far and because of catastrophic failure I need another pair to relace one of them.

[WildBillyT]

Scooter,

I think Rick WI runs a set on his '70 over on NastyZ if you want to hit him up.

-Bill

[PolarBear]

Scooter,

I think Rick WI runs a set on his '70 over on NastyZ if you want to hit him up.

-Bill

Thanks. I may but I am also interested in negative opinions too. I dont think "i dont like them" is a good reason not to get a tire without some sort of substantiation. It is quite a bit of money to spend on something that gets replaced usually and can be destroyed in a heartbeat.

[WildBillyT]

Yeah, I don't know if he will have positive or negative feedback for you, but it would be firsthand knowledge.

[BonzoHansen]

I don’t have to answer anything to anyone! What I say is gold, Jerry, gold!

As a busy tire dealer for 7+ years I saw lots of tires. It’s all about compound and carcass design. Tread design might be 25% of wet performance, but I even doubt that. Tread design is more about marketing and mitigating road noise.

GY do test well at consumer reports – and they are often good tires out of the shoot. But C/R doesn’t know its ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to tires. C/R tries to simulate tire wear by shaving the tire. Yes, why would 30,000 miles of heat cycles & UV matter? They once named the Dunlop D60 (I think that was it) a top pick in part because of their wet weather testing. I probably sold thousands of that tire with a different name (private label) and wet was a constant complaint. So they fail at that too. For the record I think Dunlops were great bang-for-the-buck tires, but that was pre-GY owning them. Not sure now.

My opinion of GY is their compounding does not wear well. I took off many GY tires with good tread (>50%) that had become nightmares in the rain and cold, and even warm weather performace had suffered. They were often hard as rocks. That is one of the reasons I generally like Michelins, I think they are easily the most consistent tires throughout the life of the tire. In most cases the way a 75% worn Michelin performs is perceivably the same as one 10% worn. I cannot say that for GY. If you plan to run the tire into the ground in 3 years a GY is a fine choice. If you plan on running it past there go elsewhere. I’ve been out of it for a while now, but I doubt that has changed much.

I’m generalizing brands and every brand has winners and losers but generally that is my thought. And I already told you that you should probably try your best to match your front tires by staying w/i the same brand, as carcass design and compounding will probably be more consistent. Buy 2 Firestones (I’ll even say Bridgestone as well, but I preferred f/s tires over b/s) or do 4 new ones. But what the hell do I know I’ve only been factory trained on these things – Michelin is in a lovely part of SC, BTW. And you love to complicate stuff. :p

I’d like to hear Al’s input on this I bet it is similar.

[PolarBear]

I did look into the Firestones and I do not think that the Wide ovals are in the same preformance category as what I already have now. The SZ50's were over $200 new (this is only looking at the prices) and the Wide ovals are only $160. If I am wrong I would probably just go with them.

Again read above. I want soft tires. If I can get 5,000 miles out of them I am fine with that. I just dont want to buy a tire that is rock hard for a recreational vehicle. I have another set of wheels/tires for the car but they are 16's. Before I got the 71 I had planned on switching between them as necessary. If I went on Power tour with the 91 I would run the 16's because they are a higher tread wear so I didnt burn out the 17's.

I know I am complicating things from what you told me before but things have changed and from what I read on tire rack the Eagles got good reviews.
I wish I had money to burn by buying tires and trying multiple brands/versions and see what I like the best.

[PolarBear]

Can anybody get these?
Yokohama (http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/advan_a048.aspx)


Damn it they dont come in the size I need (^*%. I could drop down to the 255 but then I should get 4 instead of 2

[BonzoHansen]

I did look into the Firestones and I do not think that the Wide ovals are in the same preformance category as what I already have now. The SZ50's were over $200 new (this is only looking at the prices) and the Wide ovals are only $160. If I am wrong I would probably just go with them.

Again read above. I want soft tires. If I can get 5,000 miles out of them I am fine with that. I just dont want to buy a tire that is rock hard for a recreational vehicle. I have another set of wheels/tires for the car but they are 16's. Before I got the 71 I had planned on switching between them as necessary. If I went on Power tour with the 91 I would run the 16's because they are a higher tread wear so I didnt burn out the 17's.

I know I am complicating things from what you told me before but things have changed and from what I read on tire rack the Eagles got good reviews.
I wish I had money to burn by buying tires and trying multiple brands/versions and see what I like the best.


Then you need to buy 4. You really shouldn't mix markedly different tire types.

How about something like the Toyo Proxes R888?

http://www.toyo.com/docs/tires/tires.asp?lpid=30029&name=Proxes%20R888&category=sport

[PolarBear]

Then you need to buy 4. You really shouldn't mix markedly different tire types.

How about something like the Toyo Proxes R888?

http://www.toyo.com/docs/tires/tires.asp?lpid=30029&name=Proxes%20R888&category=sport

Yeah I didnt really want to buy 4 but....

I hadnt seen those since Tire rack doesnt carry them. I would consider them though. calling STS for a price now

Figgers special order even at STS. Anyone know where I may be able to find them? Quick glance online shows $208 per

[BonzoHansen]

On the toyos? talk to me tomorrow on that.

If you do 2 markedly stickier tires in the rear the car is gonna push like a snow plow.

[sweetbmxrider]

i have firestone firehawk wide ovals on my car. i thought they handled great in all weather conditions. i was only dding them and didn't go racing or anything serious. for the price, i thought they were great.

i am looking at faulken 452's for my other wheels. they seem to have great reviews, even on the previous models. the new 452's seem to have only gotten better. no first hand experience though, just what i read.

what kind of tire are you really looking for? what driving conditions will they see really? that should help you shop for a moderate or more aggressive style tire.

[Batman]

My experience with goodyear is they don't wear particularly well. I've had nothing but good luck with Nitto tires. The 555's on the front of my car just passed 26,000 miles and have about half tread left. You can pick em up for about $120 a piece on discount tire. They also make the 555RII competition DOT radial, but I wouldn't recommend it for the rain.

Here is the 555
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/tires/nithz4.l.jpg

Here is the 555RII
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/tires/nithz5.l.jpg

[PolarBear]

what kind of tire are you really looking for? what driving conditions will they see really? that should help you shop for a moderate or more aggressive style tire.

Looking for a summer UHP tire. Will drive in the rain if I get stuck for the most part but not goin to do anything unsafe then. I learned that lesson in the Solstice. This would be a spirited driving/track day tire as I have another set of wheels/tires for long distance driving or if I burn out a set of the 17's

[NJ Torque]

My experience with goodyear is they don't wear particularly well. I've had nothing but good luck with Nitto tires. The 555's on the front of my car just passed 26,000 miles and have about half tread left. You can pick em up for about $120 a piece on discount tire. They also make the 555RII competition DOT radial, but I wouldn't recommend it for the rain.

Here is the 555
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/tires/nithz4.l.jpg

Here is the 555RII
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/tires/nithz5.l.jpg

Pirce is up to about ~$165 each

[NJSPEEDER]

If you are gonna shop Nitto, just go all the way to their good tire, http://www.nittotire.com/#index.tire.nt01

[BigAls87Z28]

I don’t have to answer anything to anyone! What I say is gold, Jerry, gold!

As a busy tire dealer for 7+ years I saw lots of tires. It’s all about compound and carcass design. Tread design might be 25% of wet performance, but I even doubt that. Tread design is more about marketing and mitigating road noise.

GY do test well at consumer reports – and they are often good tires out of the shoot. But C/R doesn’t know its ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to tires. C/R tries to simulate tire wear by shaving the tire. Yes, why would 30,000 miles of heat cycles & UV matter? They once named the Dunlop D60 (I think that was it) a top pick in part because of their wet weather testing. I probably sold thousands of that tire with a different name (private label) and wet was a constant complaint. So they fail at that too. For the record I think Dunlops were great bang-for-the-buck tires, but that was pre-GY owning them. Not sure now.

My opinion of GY is their compounding does not wear well. I took off many GY tires with good tread (>50%) that had become nightmares in the rain and cold, and even warm weather performace had suffered. They were often hard as rocks. That is one of the reasons I generally like Michelins, I think they are easily the most consistent tires throughout the life of the tire. In most cases the way a 75% worn Michelin performs is perceivably the same as one 10% worn. I cannot say that for GY. If you plan to run the tire into the ground in 3 years a GY is a fine choice. If you plan on running it past there go elsewhere. I’ve been out of it for a while now, but I doubt that has changed much.

I’m generalizing brands and every brand has winners and losers but generally that is my thought. And I already told you that you should probably try your best to match your front tires by staying w/i the same brand, as carcass design and compounding will probably be more consistent. Buy 2 Firestones (I’ll even say Bridgestone as well, but I preferred f/s tires over b/s) or do 4 new ones. But what the hell do I know I’ve only been factory trained on these things – Michelin is in a lovely part of SC, BTW. And you love to complicate stuff. :p

I’d like to hear Al’s input on this I bet it is similar.


I will say that GY's older tire technology has failed, but thier new stuff has seemed to hold up. When they first launched the GY Assurance Trippletread, lots of people were worried about its wear and what that would do to grip, handling, etc. I have never heard much as far as complaint, and I have had people that have maxed out that 80k with no problems.
Most if not all the new GY tires seem to be holding up well as they have been investing a crap load of technology into them. Carbon fiber, Kevlar, different rubber compounds, they just have been doing a lot to make thier tires better.
Reguading the GS-D3's, I have heard nothing but good reviews over the tire. Now sure, people arent using them every daily on their Camry or Malibu, but I have read up on the GS-D3's and they seem to be one of the best, if not the best ultra high performance tires out there.

Michelin has been and will continue to be the king. You spend the money, but they are overall the best tires you can buy. Something that Mich would have to compare the teh GS-D3's would be the Pilot Sport 2's, which are outstanding. there is a reason they are on such cars like the Corvette ZR1, the new CTS-V, and countless German performance cars and sedans.

Question is, for the price spread of the GS-D3's vs teh PS2's, are you getting THAT much better tire?
Now you said 275/40-17, so looking at Tire Rack, the PS2's are 289 a piece. the GS-D3's are 234 a piece. Thats 55 bucks a piece more a tire. The savings is almost like getting one tire for free. I think that the PS2 and the GS-D3's are equal in almost every aspect, so IMO the GS-D3's are the way to go. Its up to you if you want to spend the extra money for the Mich.

Bridgestone makes some really good performance tires as well. The one I see there, the new RE760 are new enough to where I have no idea.
Im surprised no RE050a's in that size....

[1QWIKBIRD]

I have GS-D3's on my Firechicken in the size you mentioned and I love them. I have autocrossed in the rain on them and they were fine. I have been on the turnpike in heavy rain at 70+ and they were fine. I don't autocross on them in dry conditions, I have Kuhmo V710's for that. In dry conditions they are a great tire as well with plenty of lateral grip.

I have a set of Toyo RA1's (predecessor to the R888's I think) which is a good tire also, but I don't think it would last all that long in a DD type deal nor do I know how good they would be in the rain. You can drive them to and from the track as the treadwear is 100 I think, without drastically shortening the life, but I wouldn't. These were my autocross tires, but now I use them for trackdays.

I have never run the Michelin's so can't speak to that, but when my GS-D3's wear out, I'd be hard pressed to switch to a different tire.

[PolarBear]

How would those compare to the D3's in performance? I am looking for sticky, cost and life are not much of a factor, Tires probably wont get worn out for a few years. Specially since I dont drive it much right now :lol:

Again read above. I want soft tires. If I can get 5,000 miles out of them I am fine with that. I just dont want to buy a tire that is rock hard for a recreational vehicle. I have another set of wheels/tires for the car but they are 16's. Before I got the 71 I had planned on switching between them as necessary. If I went on Power tour with the 91 I would run the 16's because they are a higher tread wear so I didnt burn out the 17's.

Looking for a summer UHP tire. Will drive in the rain if I get stuck for the most part but not goin to do anything unsafe then. I learned that lesson in the Solstice. This would be a spirited driving/track day tire as I have another set of wheels/tires for long distance driving or if I burn out a set of the 17's

but I don't think it would last all that long in a DD type deal nor do I know how good they would be in the rain. You can drive them to and from the track as the treadwear is 100 I think, without drastically shortening the life, but I wouldn't. These were my autocross tires, but now I use them for trackdays.

Really not worried about life on them.