So I got a ticket last night

[foff667]

For not using my turn signal getting off of a circle :rollseye: should I fight it(I assume its a 2 point ticket) and try to get the points knocked off but pay more $ up front?

[sweetbmxrider]

points add up quick! did the officer ever check the operation of your turn signal after initiating the stop? if not, well a bulb could have been out or the flasher may have been inoperative or even a problem in the turn signal switch. they are supposed to check for proper operation before writing the ticket.

[BigAls87Z28]

Uhhhh, what? I lived near the worlds biggest circle for 8 years, never ONCE did I signal. In fact, I laugh at people who put thier signals on.

[LTb1ow]

Thats the worlds biggest circle?

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes.....

[NJSPEEDER]

Fight it. You have a clean driving record, another child on the way, and a house to pay for. If nothing else they will understand why you can't afford an insurance increase.

[Batman]

Umm yeah fight it

[sweetbmxrider]

well its not really fight it, its make a deal with it :lol:

[79CamaroDiva]

is failure to signal really a moving violation?

Call up your insurance company, and actually ask them how much insurance would go up if you plead guilty. If not much or not at all, not worth fighting.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

is failure to signal really a moving violation?

If you're moving, probably :mrgreen:

[sweetbmxrider]

is failure to signal really a moving violation?

yes, it is.

[shane27]

i would not fight it if had 0 points because your insurance cant go up for having 2 points in NJ. if i had a point or more i would fight it

[NJ Torque]

i would not fight it if had 0 points because your insurance cant go up for having 2 points in NJ. if i had a point or more i would fight it


39:4–126 Failure to give proper signal

[//<86TA>\\]

Uhhhh, what? I lived near the worlds biggest circle for 8 years, never ONCE did I signal. In fact, I laugh at people who put thier signals on.

i live near 3, and i never use my signal on the circle, and nobody else does either.

[NJSPEEDER]

i would not fight it if had 0 points because your insurance cant go up for having 2 points in NJ. if i had a point or more i would fight it

Where did you get that? Insurance in New Jersey can be changed because the CEO of the company farted.

Points tickets in New Jersey also carry surcharges. so after you pay your fine and hope your insurance doesnt' go up, you get to pay additional fines to the state for the ticket you already paid.

[Knipps]

Points tickets in New Jersey also carry surcharges. so after you pay your fine and hope your insurance doesnt' go up, you get to pay additional fines to the state for the ticket you already paid.

I think this year is my last one.. that **** sucks.

[WildBillyT]

i live near 3, and i never use my signal on the circle, and nobody else does either.

Damn right! Nobody does. The only time I ever see a signal is when some douche is in the right lane next to the STS on the 202/31 circle trying to cut in, backing up 202 to the stoplight. You haven't experienced a circle until you've gone from 202N in Flemington all the way down to Rt 12/Dayton rd.:mrgreen:

Fight the ticket.

[NJSPEEDER]

I hate that rt12 circle, no one ever looks where they are going. I can't tell you the number of times I have almost gotten creamed there.

[The Fixer]

Bill, I thought I remember you saying that you have NJ Manufacturers? If you do, they won't surcharge you for accidents or points, unless you have an excessive amount, in which case they just drop you.

I agree though, nothing wrong with trying to deal it down if you're gonna get hammered for it.

[Knipps]

Bill, I thought I remember you saying that you have NJ Manufacturers? If you do, they won't surcharge you for accidents or points, unless you have an excessive amount, in which case they just drop you.

I agree though, nothing wrong with trying to deal it down if you're gonna get hammered for it.

My dad had it & I'm surprised they didn't drop me

[The Fixer]

My dad had it & I'm surprised they didn't drop me

My parents have it also, and I was almost deleted by NJM. :) I was on their policy with my own car, and racked up 6 points in 6 months when I was 18 years old. They mailed my parents a letter saying something to the effect of - "either the kid shapes up, or your whole policy gets dropped." I then went to the state mandated driving class to drop 2 points, and paid the state surcharges for 3 years. Thank God that was a long time ago, it would have been a helluva lot more expensive to screw up like that these days. Back then, the speeding tickets were only like $54 bucks!

The good thing about NJM, is that once I had cleared my points and kept them off for three years, I was able to get my own policy. NJM FTW!

[foff667]

I have allstate now, I'll give them a call on monday to see what if any **** I will face if I just pay it. My thing is I don't want to go there & sit for 2 hours only to be told to come back on another date(it happens all the time), if my insurance doesn't go up,etc I might just take the hit as its hard to justify 5-8 hours at the court house.

[Knipps]

My parents have it also, and I was almost deleted by NJM. :) I was on their policy with my own car, and racked up 6 points in 6 months when I was 18 years old. They mailed my parents a letter saying something to the effect of - "either the kid shapes up, or your whole policy gets dropped." I then went to the state mandated driving class to drop 2 points, and paid the state surcharges for 3 years. Thank God that was a long time ago, it would have been a helluva lot more expensive to screw up like that these days. Back then, the speeding tickets were only like $54 bucks!

The good thing about NJM, is that once I had cleared my points and kept them off for three years, I was able to get my own policy. NJM FTW!

Yeah, this is my last year of surcharges afaik, and I had something like 10 pts where I had to take the class as well. That was not so long ago. :lol:

[79CamaroDiva]

I have allstate now, I'll give them a call on monday to see what if any **** I will face if I just pay it. My thing is I don't want to go there & sit for 2 hours only to be told to come back on another date(it happens all the time), if my insurance doesn't go up,etc I might just take the hit as its hard to justify 5-8 hours at the court house.

As long as you have an allstate platinum policy it won't go up. It's in the same line as accident forgiveness. That's whoni have, 2 speeding tickets (1 nj 1 md) and premium never went up.

[foff667]

Well I decided to fight it and after researching a bit more information there actually aren't any set rules for a circle ie no signaling is necessary.

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/Licenses/Driver%20Manual/Chapter_4.pdf

Traffic Circle
There are no set rules for driving into, around and out of a traffic circle in New
Jersey.

I would say this is about enough to get the ticket at least knocked down if not thrown out completely.

Next monday is my court date so this should be fun =)

-Bill

[bobb1589]

good luck

[CamaroJoe1987]

fight it

[jims69camaro]

39:4–126 Failure to give proper signal

nice.

[jims69camaro]

Well I decided to fight it and after researching a bit more information there actually aren't any set rules for a circle ie no signaling is necessary.

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/Licenses/Driver%20Manual/Chapter_4.pdf



I would say this is about enough to get the ticket at least knocked down if not thrown out completely.

Next monday is my court date so this should be fun =)

-Bill

interesting. i always thought the only rule was to yield to the right, as in yield to traffic coming into the circle ahead of you. now most circles are signed where to yield, so i guess that assumption was wrong. and now, to see this out of the driver manual... i had never heard of signaling intent in or around a circle.

edit: Whenever a motorist is in doubt concerning who has the right-of-way in a circle, he/she should exercise extreme caution and remember the basic rule governing any uncontrolled intersection: The vehicle to the left yields the right-of-way to the vehicle approaching from the right.

fight it. the cop was wrong to issue a ticket.

[//<86TA>\\]

Well I decided to fight it and after researching a bit more information there actually aren't any set rules for a circle ie no signaling is necessary.

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/Licenses/Driver%20Manual/Chapter_4.pdf



I would say this is about enough to get the ticket at least knocked down if not thrown out completely.

Next monday is my court date so this should be fun =)

-Bill

really?

back in highschool i had to do a presentation on circles for drivers ed class, and the info i found said that the people on the circle have the right of way, except where a major highway enters the circle. Now i dont know how a major highway is defined, but the Flemington circles are a mess, and this rule does not apply to how traffic flows there. Its pretty much a free-for-all, and if you stop, you die.

I would fight it, it will most likely be thrown out due to the lack of concrete laws regarding circles.

[wretched73]

<3 flemington cirlces <3

[foff667]

Well I got it dropped down to obstructing passage ticket which is only a $56 ticket +$33 in court fees. After spending 4 hours sitting there waiting to be called I honestly didn't feel like fighting anymore. No points & $89 instead of 2 points & $85 is a win IMO at this point.

Much better than the $300-400 tickets I had been hearing about people cutting "deals" for recently :lol:

[JL8Jeff]

I remember watching a segment on one of the local channels recently and they were talking about traffic violations. They talked about things like cutting through a parking lot to avoid a traffic light and driving barefoot. There were definitely rules for driving around a traffic circle. I know I always signal when I'm getting off the circle. Last thing I want is somebody running into me and claiming I cut them off. Sounds like showing up in court and acting like a responsible person is enough reason to get most tickets reduced.

[jims69camaro]

Well I got it dropped down to obstructing passage ticket which is only a $56 ticket +$33 in court fees.

what was the situation? were you in fact, obstructing passage?

[foff667]

what was the situation? were you in fact, obstructing passage?

lol no, I was in a circle with nobody in front or behind me that I can remember was was not obstructing anyone, its just the bogus ticket they ended up giving me to drop down my other bogus ticket so I could give them a few bucks and go home.

[NJSPEEDER]

Obstruction of traffic, we have had that ticket before haven't we Bill ;)

[foff667]

:lol: