N20 legal?

[LTb1ow]

Say I were to install a nitrous kit reasonably hidden in my car. Is it illegal to have in a street car?

[WildBillyT]

You need a permit to handle it at all. I think if you have that you are OK to drive around with it as long as it's not hooked up.

[sweetbmxrider]

a filled bottle is illegal to transport. hazardous ****

yeah unless you have a permit

[LTb1ow]

I saw that one thread about that in the lounge wasn't sure whether that was to be a dealer/refill station or for personal use.

[WildBillyT]

I saw that one thread about that in the lounge wasn't sure whether that was to be a dealer/refill station or for personal use.

Personal use.

You get the permit from the dept. of health and senior services.

http://www.nj.gov/health/forms/f-17.pdf

[LTb1ow]

But if its illegal to have anyway, whats the point? I guess I am missing something here....

[WildBillyT]

But if its illegal to have anyway, whats the point? I guess I am missing something here....

I think you can transport it but you can't have the bottle hooked up.

[LTb1ow]

Ohhh, right right. You wouldn't happen to know the fine for not having the permit?

[NJ Torque]

Ohhh, right right. You wouldn't happen to know the fine for not having the permit?

Up to and including loss of car and/or license.

[LTb1ow]

Fuuck, ok, food for thought. hmm

[NJSPEEDER]

It is legal to transport the system fully installed as long as it is not "armed" and you have the permit. Armed = bottle valve open and power going to solenoids.

[LTb1ow]

So if I have a remote bottle opener and hidden switches, there is really no way for them to know 100%?

And this is all assuming I do something incredibly stupid enough to get pulled out of the car and forced into a full car search, street racing would do it.

Which I don't do, but I want to find out the legal jurisdictions of having a N20 system before maybe getting one. ;)

[NJSPEEDER]

Pretty much. My suggestion would be to keep as much of the system tucked away as possible. Even if you are legal, there is always the possibility of someone seeing something and saying something or you doing something mildly stupid and catch more for it just because that bottle was staring up from the hatch.

[sweetbmxrider]

i'd tuck it in the spare tire compartment personally. run the lines as safely and as hidden as possible.

[LTb1ow]

Well the tank is gonna be the new spare tire, and the noids and plate will be hidden as much as I can.

[sweetbmxrider]

right on. where is the purge going to dump?

[LTb1ow]

Purge? I don't need no stinkin purge!

I am not sure yet, still need to get a few more odds and ends. Prob end up shooting up on the windshield.

[sweetbmxrider]

shoot it in the interior :D haha happy gas!

[LTb1ow]

LOL I actually had a convo of doing that and whether or not it would work.

[sweetbmxrider]

hahaha well i wouldn't suggest it unless the car was parked in the garage.

[LTb1ow]

http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/images/products/NO-10101-10.jpg
http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/catalog/product_details.asp?group=14&model=37&dept=11&product_id=2806


:mrgreen:Woot, my car is going to break stuff now! :lol:

[Mike]

Automotive grade nitrous has too much sulfur content. You will throw up before it gets you high. Tim is right on the rules. It can be installed and full as long as its shut off. Also, don't forget the blow down tube and other safety measured required by the nhra. Oh and you need a fire jacket too

[LTb1ow]

Fire jacket? Really? Woah.

[Tru2Chevy]

Fire jacket? Really? Woah.

Yes, the NHRA requires a jacket for any aftermarket power adder now.

- Justin

[LTb1ow]

Does that apply to t/t days too?

[Knipps]

N2O not N20.

[Mike]

Does that apply to t/t days too?

yes, anytime you are on a nhra sanctioned track... t/t or event does not matter

[Tru2Chevy]

Does that apply to t/t days too?

Yes, at any NHRA sanctioned track. You can prolly get away without one at Atco, but most likely not at E-Town, and definitely not at Island.

- Justin

[LTb1ow]

yes, anytime you are on a nhra sanctioned track... t/t or event does not matter


Is this a new rule? I don't recall any one mentioning it before....

If I were to go to the track and NOT run N20 what would I need to remove to not need a jacket? Sigh....

[Tru2Chevy]

Is this a new rule? I don't recall any one mentioning it before....

If I were to go to the track and NOT run N20 what would I need to remove to not need a jacket? Sigh....

It was new for the 2006 season. I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that if you don't have a bottle in the car you wouldn't need the jacket.

- Justin

[LTb1ow]

It was new for the 2006 season. I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that if you don't have a bottle in the car you wouldn't need the jacket.

- Justin

Ok, thanks guys.

Just a random tangent here, I have never been a track before so bear with me, how intensive is the tech search?

[Tru2Chevy]

Ok, thanks guys.

Just a random tangent here, I have never been a track before so bear with me, how intensive is the tech search?

Depends a lot on what track you go to and what your car looks / sounds like.

At Atco, they'll pretty much just ask if you have a helmet and let you race. E-town is a little more strict, and Island is known for following the rulebook pretty much to the letter.

- Justin

[Mike]

englishtown will pop your hood.
island will ask you to pop your hood, and sometimes your hatch.

i KNOW it was a rule in 2008, i believe it was in 2007 as well, one of the nitrous guys, or one of the track employees on here would have more details

[NJ Torque]

Does that apply to t/t days too?

It applies to everything... If you have the bottle in the car even if your gonna do motor runs. You'd still have to have the jacket.

[NJ Torque]

Ok, thanks guys.

Just a random tangent here, I have never been a track before so bear with me, how intensive is the tech search?


Etown is really lax... They'll just ask if you plan on running lower then 14.0 and send you on your way if you have a helmet, pretty much anything snell.

If you've never been to a track before, I would recommend going there... getting seat time in your car, before you think about strokers or bottles or anything else.

[Mike]

englishtown tends to ask cars that they arent used to seeing to pop their hoods, they have had too many bad experiences with guys bringing their p.o.s's without any battery tie downs

[NJ Torque]

This is true. I guess its all what they look like too... This season is the first my white z went to the track, and never asked to pop the hood... yet, only asked "supercharger, turbo or nitrous" Go figure. Heh.

[Mike]

last time i was there with the t/a they were pretty picky.......but when i take the trailblazer they look at the helmet, throw the numbers on and say nice truck......lol

[LTb1ow]

Etown is really lax... They'll just ask if you plan on running lower then 14.0 and send you on your way if you have a helmet, pretty much anything snell.

If you've never been to a track before, I would recommend going there... getting seat time in your car, before you think about strokers or bottles or anything else.


Passed that point a while ago. I am kinda interested in going to the track so I just want to figure out what I will be getting into.

[LTb1ow]

Another question, if I use a window switch do I need a WOT switch?

[WildBillyT]

Another question, if I use a window switch do I need a WOT switch?

Yes, it's a good idea. And of course don't forget a fuel pressure safety switch.

[LTb1ow]

So I have to hit the WOT switch to have the solenoids open? And then the window switch just makes sure I stay in the rpm range I want to spray in?

The FPSS is a given. ;)

[Mike]

yes, wot to make the noids open.....(once you leave the line you will be wot anyway)

the window switch will save your motor if you miss a shift or spin off the line.... and prevent it from coming on too early and breaking traction.

the fpss will shut the system off if you have a drop in fuel pressure.

none of these are fool proof, but the combination of the three and proper jetting should let you safely run nitrous for a long time

[1994lt1]

Also with regards to where you place the nitrous bottle, be very careful. As you can see in this picture if allowed to bake in the sun, the result can be deadly.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u315/TTAWD/bradspics124.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u315/TTAWD/bradspics033.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u315/TTAWD/bradspics0302.jpg

[LTb1ow]

Thats nothing!
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z28/alexkosterman/DSC02479.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z28/alexkosterman/DSC02489.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z28/alexkosterman/IMG_0793.jpg


Can I make WOT different than actual WOT?

[NJSPEEDER]

You mean you want to spray at part throttle? Not a good plan, funky pulse flow will cause pooling and wreck atomization. That will lead to a lovely nitrous backfire that would basically ruin everything.

Think back to every truly epic nitrous explosion you have ever seen, 99% of them are the result of pooling.

Leave WOT = WOT to be safe. Unless your goal is to blow it up, then enjoy :)

[Mike]

first batch of pictures.......thats the purpose of a blow down tube......

second batch.......thats the purpose of a sfi bell housing holy crap that looks bad, link to a thread?

[Knipps]

he forgot the picture of under the Jeep
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z28/alexkosterman/DSC02481.jpg

[LTb1ow]

Eh, that picture wasn't the message I was trying for.
Mike, heres the link, http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=981053

But what determines WOT, like if the computer says 6300 why can't I make it 6k? I don't see why I can't do that....

[Mike]

my wot switch was a actual micro switch that the pulley of the throttle body hit when it was fully open, it was not computer controlled....

the corvette and other drive by wire guys usually put it under the gas pedal.......

its not something you set up like a window switch

[LTb1ow]

Well I meant that I could make the WOT happen before the blades are actual WOT? I know I would sacrifice a few hundred RPM but I am hesitant to spray at an RPM that I don't feel so good revving to NA.

[Mike]

then i would set your rev limiter a little lower..... rather than playing with the wot switch, do it with the rev limiter and window switch

[LTb1ow]

So what would be a good window to spray in? 3k to 6k?

[Mike]

without knowing anything about your motor that's imposable to tell. you will want to set the window switch a couple hundred rpm under the rev limiter in case something fails. that as you know will depend on your cam, valve train, and tune.

on the bottom end, you want it high enough to be able to get the car out of the hole and be ensured of traction, but not so low that it shuts off immediately after each shift lifting slightly while shifting will turn the wot switch off, then you want to still be in the window as you catch the next gear......

[LTb1ow]

Any one use the HSW interface or microedge?

[beerman]

I have this micro switch and ashtray switch it would be great if you wanted to hide things http://jimmy-jams.tripod.com

[CamaroJoe1987]

if its filled, you need a permit, and as long as its in their, it needs to be disconected, nobody ever said you couldnt show them the decoy

[LTb1ow]

No one has used the microege or interface from HSW?

[Mike]

im sure plenty of people have on tech

[LTb1ow]

I know people use it, lol, I just want some more details on it. I am hopefully gonna call em tmmr to get more details but some first hand knowledge would be great.

[Mike]

its more insurance, but the fpss, window switch, and wot switch is enough

[LTb1ow]

Well just kinda glancing over the details, it incorporates that and you can choose what TPS voltage you want WOT to be and window settings are made from that. It also can pull timing which is a plus.

Bah, this stuff is to confusing.

[WildBillyT]

Well just kinda glancing over the details, it incorporates that and you can choose what TPS voltage you want WOT to be and window settings are made from that. It also can pull timing which is a plus.

Bah, this stuff is to confusing.

A FPSS, window switch, WOT switch, and arming switch ought to be just fine for you.

When you step up to a 300hp dual stage system you can be more critical of what your nitrous is doing when.

[Mike]

quick scan of the hsw site seems like the microedge has all the safety equipment built into it which is cool, but also if it fails, everything fails....so you lose any backup you have........

the interface just seems like something to cheat your tune......if you get a proper nitrous tune it shouldn't be necessary

[Mike]

you don't want to cheat wot, your better off having your rev limiter lowered, that is the correct way to not run rpm's that you don't want to run....

[LTb1ow]

Yea I guess I should look into that too. But there must be another way to get the nitrous to activate at WOT other than a micro switch right?

[Mike]

why reinvent the wheel? its simple, easy, and cheap?

[LTb1ow]

I like making things difficult. ;)

I guess a micro switch will have to work, lol.

Another random question, unless you leave at WOT, how do people spray off the line?

[Mike]

leaving at wot, tends to be the fastest way down the track........

[LTb1ow]

Yea and that would be what, like a 5000 stall? Great street manners.....

[NJSPEEDER]

Yea I guess I should look into that too. But there must be another way to get the nitrous to activate at WOT other than a micro switch right?

you can go micro switch or use the voltage from the TPS if you wanna go fancy digital style. Either way you need some sort of input so it knows throttle position to some degree.

[LTb1ow]

you can go micro switch or use the voltage from the TPS if you wanna go fancy digital style. Either way you need some sort of input so it knows throttle position to some degree.

Well I wanna do this the right way and trying to make it the most clean I can. Less wires etc is good.

[NJSPEEDER]

Yea and that would be what, like a 5000 stall? Great street manners.....

Depends if you are talking a 5k flare stall speed on teh spray or a 5000 stall speed when N/A. Remember, part of the determination of stall speed is the amount of power you are putting into it.

So if you have a TC that flares to 5kish on a 150 shot out of the hole, it is more than likely in the 3500-3800 range just driving around. From what I have experienced in various cars, that is a perfectly livable range for cruising around.

[Mike]

Yea and that would be what, like a 5000 stall? Great street manners.....

dude.....when the light turns green, you press on the pedal, it goes to the floor, you go down the track. you dont need to stage at wot

[LTb1ow]

dude.....when the light turns green, you press on the pedal, it goes to the floor, you go down the track. you dont need to stage at wot


Sorry sorry guys, this is kinda all new to me, drag racing and N20..... :shock:

Ah well, I have till the summer to figure things out. So pardon my lack of knowledge.

[NJSPEEDER]

Well I wanna do this the right way and trying to make it the most clean I can. Less wires etc is good.

If you want to hide a lot of the wiring you can use the gas pedal arm for the micro switch. It would take a little bit of fab to make a small bracket and a trigger, but it would nicely hide the wires.

[LTb1ow]

I know this is gonna come off as mildly retarded but oh well, in the movies most of em have push buttons to activate N20. I know they are movies, but why is that method not useful? (if it actually works etc)

[Mike]

all you have to do is run all wiring with factory wires and tuck it in their loom. then use black heat shrink on the braided lines.

[Mike]

the wot switch is the push button

[LTb1ow]

Thats what I figured, so you "could" do it that way?

[Mike]

sure

[LTb1ow]

Ok, I shall go do some more research.

[Mike]

of course a button would have to be on your shifter or steering wheel, completely eliminating your wishes for a "stealthy" system

[LTb1ow]

Right, that is a good point, and more importantly, it would be kinda ricey...

[Tru2Chevy]

http://12voltguy.com/web/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/GO_BABY_GO_SHIFT_483248c847565.jpg

:mrgreen:

- Justin

[sweetbmxrider]

or you could go with an oldschool high beam on the floor button. put it right on that plastic foot rest molding for your left foot. i wouldn't though, the tried and tested is the way to go.

[LTb1ow]

Well I think for a while I will be driving around with a non functional nitrous system ;)

[NJSPEEDER]

or you could go with an oldschool high beam on the floor button. put it right on that plastic foot rest molding for your left foot. i wouldn't though, the tried and tested is the way to go.

Even more stealth along that line, there flat body momentary switches available. install it on the dead peddle and then carpet over the area. Most people won't notice it as long as the carpet on the dead peddle matches the floor. Wiring can all stay hidden in the trim.

[LTb1ow]

Dead pedal? Whats that mean?

[WildBillyT]

Dead pedal? Whats that mean?

The foot rest off to the left of the toe box. In some cars it looks like another pedal.

[sweetbmxrider]

mmmm shneaky!

[LTb1ow]

Ohhh, that would be cool.... hmmm

[NJSPEEDER]

Go to your local rad shack and thumb through their catalog, or if you have a Billingsly near your house they may have something in stock. Warning, once you see all the neato stuff you are gonna have more ideas than you have money or time. lol

[LTb1ow]

I already bought the "basic" kit, I say basic but its pretty much everything minus the saftey stuff.

[Mike]

he means cool electronics ****, not cool nitrous ****

[LTb1ow]

Ohhh my bad. Wait, a radio shack?

[Mike]

Go to your local rad shack and thumb through their catalog, or if you have a Billingsly near your house they may have something in stock. Warning, once you see all the neato stuff you are gonna have more ideas than you have money or time. lol

not radio shacks shelves

[LTb1ow]

Guess I could do that, haven't done much circuit boards in a long time. Which is what I assume he is going for? Make my own activation stuff?

[Mike]

no. he meant they would have the pressure switch they were talking about, the rest of the post had nothing to do with nitrous products

[LTb1ow]

Yea but I could make a device for working a relay at certain TPS voltages.

[Mike]

i would repeat that you dont want to trick the wot, but i wont, have fun picking up your pistons

[LTb1ow]

Eh, they gotta let go sometime, whats wrong with the present.

[sweetbmxrider]

where is my :shakes head: smiley? :lol:

[NJSPEEDER]

The trick would be that the TPS reading is based on resistance. You would need to come up with something that reads, but does not effect the TPS reading. The tables have pretty good resolution, so even a small change can screw up how it reads.

I think it would be easier to install and keep clean/hidden if you just look for a way to hide the switch.

[LTb1ow]

Yea I know, I kinda liked the dead pedal idea Tim, pretty sneaky. ;)

[NJSPEEDER]

Hiding a switch is nothing, hiding a whole fogger system is a trick.

[LTb1ow]

Oh it will be.... cept for the bottle. Thats another story.... :)

[Mike]

whats the point of hiding it? i understand clean install, but why hide it?

[LTb1ow]

Well its more for clean install. I am not a fan of flashy engine bays. Thats all. The bottle is going to be painted so its going center stage on the driveshaft tunnel.

[sweetbmxrider]

get a permit yet?

[JerzLT1]

stop bumping old threads!!

[SteveR]

right on. where is the purge going to dump?

One trick is to have the purge under the car above the rear axle, so you can purge it when you're doing a burnout and nobody will see or hear you purging the system. Good way to keep it hidden.

[sweetbmxrider]

nice! or you stick it by the radiator and say oh crap! i overheated! oh well lets race!!