!Rear seats

[KirkEvil]

So I took out my rear seats awhile ago, and there is a section of carpet that doesnt cover the bracket for the seat. I was wondering what some people have done to cover up the bracket. suggestions would be great too. I'll try to get pics of it up tomorrow.

[ar0ck]

If you want to be real OG, you put the back seat floor mats over it :lol:

I've been working on a rear-seat delete out of pressboard that hasn't gotten past the paper cut-out stage.

[SamhainZ28]

go to a junk yard and buy the hatch carpet out of a car and trim to fit. thats what i would do anyway

[NJSPEEDER]

The carpet has a plastic kind of bonding/backing on it. If you warm it up a bit with a hair dryer you can stretch it a little to help cover the bumps. It doesn't stretch much, but it helps.

Oooooorrrrrrrrrrr............you can just cut the humps out of the car and save even more weight :drive:

[NJ Torque]

6LE on tech makes a rear seat delete kit...

[SamhainZ28]

6LE on tech makes a rear seat delete kit...

yeah for a million dollars. That guy makes some cool stuff, but his prices are a little out there

[NJ Torque]

yeah for a million dollars. That guy makes some cool stuff, but his prices are a little out there


I got his C5 front brake kit for $500...

also, the overlays look good.

[SamhainZ28]

like for example, he wants $30 plus shipping for the center console gauge pod that I made myself for $2 and still have plenty of plastic left over to make more.

[NJ Torque]

^yeah. as you know, i made my own too.

[LTb1ow]

The carpet has a plastic kind of bonding/backing on it. If you warm it up a bit with a hair dryer you can stretch it a little to help cover the bumps. It doesn't stretch much, but it helps.

Oooooorrrrrrrrrrr............you can just cut the humps out of the car and save even more weight :drive:

I like this idea. Wanna guinea pig this one too? :wink:

[KirkEvil]

Heating the carpet up will not fix the 3" gap of carpet needed. And I dont want a seat delete kit, I took them out to reduce weight, not add something in their place.

Cutting the brackets out would look better, but then the seats could never go back in. Damn sacrifices.

[WildBillyT]

Heating the carpet up will not fix the 3" gap of carpet needed. And I dont want a seat delete kit, I took them out to reduce weight, not add something in their place.

Cutting the brackets out would look better, but then the seats could never go back in. Damn sacrifices.

Are the brackets spot welded in? If so, break out the spot weld cutter but be sure to scribe alignment marks if you ever need to put them back in.

[Fast92RS]

There was a company that made rear seat delete boxes that made it look nice. They were on www.speedspecialty.com. I cant find them right now but if contact them they may still have them.

[LTb1ow]

Heating the carpet up will not fix the 3" gap of carpet needed. And I dont want a seat delete kit, I took them out to reduce weight, not add something in their place.

Cutting the brackets out would look better, but then the seats could never go back in. Damn sacrifices.

Reading.

[NJ Torque]

Making the back of the car look like crap for !35lbs...

[LTb1ow]

Making the back of the car look like crap for !35lbs...

Eh, I like it without seats, I just need some thing to cover the gaps in carpet. I think I am going to the interior guy on Sat. and get a quote Kirk.

[Mike]

cut the brackets off, and buy a new carpet......dont cut holes in it

[KirkEvil]

Making the back of the car look like crap for !35lbs...

It doesnt look that bad. I actually think its more comfortable in the back without the seats (6'1). 35 lbs is a lot considering the other easy weight reductions.

Who is the interior guy?

[NJSPEEDER]

I like this idea. Wanna guinea pig this one too? :wink:

The heating and stretching or the elimination of the mounting humps? Both have been done before ;)

Once the humps are gone the carpet lays nice and flat in the area, just the seams from where it was cut to fit over before show a bit.

[LTb1ow]

It doesnt look that bad. I actually think its more comfortable in the back without the seats (6'1). 35 lbs is a lot considering the other easy weight reductions.

Who is the interior guy?

Guy who did my headliner, good work, and a good price.

[jraney]

Check these out; I ordered a set to try out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__Camaro-Firebird-Z28-RearSeat-Delete-Kit-1993-2002Fbody_W0QQitemZ300291547894QQadiZ2865QQadnZCar Q20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZVi ewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash =item300291547894&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[NJ Torque]

^let us know how they are! fit & finish... looks good in the pics.

[KirkEvil]

Check these out; I ordered a set to try out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__Camaro-Firebird-Z28-RearSeat-Delete-Kit-1993-2002Fbody_W0QQitemZ300291547894QQadiZ2865QQadnZCar Q20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZVi ewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash =item300291547894&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

They seem pretty cool. post a couple more pics and a review when you get them

[jraney]

Should be here next week. I will keep you posted.

[sweetbmxrider]

Are the brackets spot welded in? If so, break out the spot weld cutter but be sure to scribe alignment marks if you ever need to put them back in.

yeah they are spot welded.

i'm sure any respectable interior business could do something very nice for you. i would even talk to paul. i'm sure he has a few good ideas.

[Fast92RS]

Check these out; I ordered a set to try out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__Camaro-Firebird-Z28-RearSeat-Delete-Kit-1993-2002Fbody_W0QQitemZ300291547894QQadiZ2865QQadnZCar Q20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZVi ewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash =item300291547894&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Yeah thats the set that speedspecialty.com used to sell. I was thinking about ordering a set for my Camaro since I threw out the rear seats as well.

[sweetbmxrider]

i just ordered them

[LTb1ow]

Sweet!


Too bad you can't drive your car and show us. :(

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl: i can take a pic :shrug:

[LTb1ow]

This is true, and you mentioned that the brackets are spot welded in? You sure on that?

[sweetbmxrider]

that is what everyone said on ls1tech. they drill the spot welds and save almost 2 pounds i believe. i though, have not looked myself.

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i bought the ones from speed speciality a while back, they are absolute crap, garbage, waste of money, ect. They didnt fit, the covering is crap, i had to take them all apart and rebuild them to get them to work. I just threw them away recently.

Im going to make one out of fiberglass once it gets warmer and i finish my interior panels.

the brackets are spotwelded in.

[sweetbmxrider]

i bought the ones from speed speciality a while back, they are absolute crap, garbage, waste of money, ect. They didnt fit, the covering is crap, i had to take them all apart and rebuild them to get them to work. I just threw them away recently.

Im going to make one out of fiberglass once it gets warmer and i finish my interior panels.

the brackets are spotwelded in.

now you tell me :rofl: great

i'll just sell them on tech for like $75 less the 6LE and maybe flip a profit :D

[Jersyboyy]

So do you guys really think that the 2 pounds here and 5 pounds their total of 30 pounds(if that) for removing your whole rear seat area JUST FOR WEIGHT and spening money to do it is worth it?
I mean do you really think its going to go faster? Iv been told a good rule of thumb is every 100 pounds = .1 of your 1/4. With that in mind
WHY BOTHER?

[sweetbmxrider]

go dig a hole and sit in it :)

being that my car is lowered and has larger wheels, it likes to bottom out with weight in the back.
no rear seats = no rear passengers = no bottom out
its science :?

and i'll let someone else clarify weight saving = go faster

[LTb1ow]

I just don't like rear seats.

[Mike]

when i do the cage, and new carpet, im gonna get a large block of memory foam....shave it to fit down into the rear buckets, but be flat with the driveshaft tunnel across the top.. then carpet it like nothing is there, and viola, no seams, not as heavy as wood and screws and whatnot and will look much better

[LTb1ow]

when i do the cage, and new carpet, im gonna get a large block of memory foam....shave it to fit down into the rear buckets, but be flat with the driveshaft tunnel across the top.. then carpet it like nothing is there, and viola, no seams, not as heavy as wood and screws and whatnot and will look much better

Ohh that would be comfy too. :mrgreen:

[KirkEvil]

So do you guys really think that the 2 pounds here and 5 pounds their total of 30 pounds(if that) for removing your whole rear seat area JUST FOR WEIGHT and spening money to do it is worth it?
I mean do you really think its going to go faster? Iv been told a good rule of thumb is every 100 pounds = .1 of your 1/4. With that in mind
WHY BOTHER?

Why bother? you have to start somewhere and every little bit counts. Especially since you aren't giving up much by deleting the rear sits.

[LTb1ow]

So do you guys really think that the 2 pounds here and 5 pounds their total of 30 pounds(if that) for removing your whole rear seat area JUST FOR WEIGHT and spening money to do it is worth it?
I mean do you really think its going to go faster? Iv been told a good rule of thumb is every 100 pounds = .1 of your 1/4. With that in mind
WHY BOTHER?

Coming from the guy with a stripper third gen..... :rofl:

[Jersyboyy]

lol YEA you know how much weight was saved by stripping the WHOLE car enough to make my crud motor run the time it ran.

Their has to be a better reason for eliminating the rear seats than "you have to start somewhere" & "everybit counts" thats like trying to by a cheese burger for 10 cents. The whole thing is worth the dollar but 1 /10th of one is just not worth wasting my 10 cents HA that was a dumb analogy but you get it!

I donno Its your car kirk if you want to do that more powa to you.
I on the under hand just started putting my whole interior back together, even got a new carpet shownomercy(but it is lighter than stock)(and I did gut all the heating/air ducts heater core and all that crap from behind the dash its like a cave behind their now)

[LTb1ow]

lol YEA you know how much weight was saved by stripping the WHOLE car enough to make my crud motor run the time it ran.

Their has to be a better reason for eliminating the rear seats than "you have to start somewhere" & "everybit counts" thats like trying to by a cheese burger for 10 cents. The whole thing is worth the dollar but 1 /10th of one is just not worth wasting my 10 cents HA that was a dumb analogy but you get it!

I donno Its your car kirk if you want to do that more powa to you.
I on the under hand just started putting my whole interior back together, even got a new carpet shownomercy(but it is lighter than stock)(and I did gut all the heating/air ducts heater core and all that crap from behind the dash its like a cave behind their now)


Bah, you drive a third gen, you need all the help you can get. :lol:

I am gonna look at those spot welds tmmr.

[sweetbmxrider]

mike that sounds like a clean solution.

jerseyboyy, imagine you had $1 american. here its worth $1 american. you go to mexico and bam, 14 pesos!

would you rather try to run full speed with a 50lb back pack or a 5lb back pack? exactly

[KirkEvil]

lol YEA you know how much weight was saved by stripping the WHOLE car enough to make my crud motor run the time it ran.

Their has to be a better reason for eliminating the rear seats than "you have to start somewhere" & "everybit counts" thats like trying to by a cheese burger for 10 cents. The whole thing is worth the dollar but 1 /10th of one is just not worth wasting my 10 cents HA that was a dumb analogy but you get it!

I donno Its your car kirk if you want to do that more powa to you.
I on the under hand just started putting my whole interior back together, even got a new carpet shownomercy(but it is lighter than stock)(and I did gut all the heating/air ducts heater core and all that crap from behind the dash its like a cave behind their now)

Better reason:

Getting rid of the rear seats is easier than deleting the a/c, or tearing out the bumper grids. Every weight reduction comes with a price; rear seats are for passengers, and I dont care because the car definitely was not built for 4 people.

Pulling out the rear seats and seatbelts save about 40 lbs. Yeah 100lbs=0.1 1/4 performance, and 40lbs=0.04s. It may not seem like much, but it is the same ratio, and even better if you want to look at gas mileage considering its a DD.

You are building a car from the ground up while Im trying to improve my car based on my own opinions & tolerances. Rear seats~heat, and I am still comfortable in cold weather.

[Mike]

eh, i leave mine in until i am actually at the track......up until i have the cage, it just looks better with them

[WildBillyT]

IMO,

Once you have a roll bar, toss them. The rear seats were barely useful anyway. If you don't have a roll bar, keep them in until you are fast enough.

[Pampered-Z]

Pull the side covers off the rear wheel wells or the rear "thrunk well" and see if there is eough material so that you can cut a piece of carpet to fill the holes. You can either cut or snap off the seat mounts. Use Carpet glue tape... It's a tape that has glue, you put it under the carpet, then heat it with a hair dryer and the glue will melt and bind the patch to the carpet.

[LTb1ow]

Better reason:

Getting rid of the rear seats is easier than deleting the a/c, or tearing out the bumper grids. Every weight reduction comes with a price; rear seats are for passengers, and I dont care because the car definitely was not built for 4 people.

Pulling out the rear seats and seatbelts save about 40 lbs. Yeah 100lbs=0.1 1/4 performance, and 40lbs=0.04s. It may not seem like much, but it is the same ratio, and even better if you want to look at gas mileage considering its a DD.

You are building a car from the ground up while Im trying to improve my car based on my own opinions & tolerances. Rear seats~heat, and I am still comfortable in cold weather.


You don't have bumper grids, don't lie.


I think we can knock the brackets off with a hammer and drill for the spot welds. This weekend?

[sweetbmxrider]

isn't that really dumb to do on a dd? won't insurance not cover the damage too?

[KirkEvil]

I do have bumper grids, the thought crossed my mind though. Yeah it may be a project for this weekend along with the new c/b and ewp.

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah i wouldn't take away any safety features for the car that could compensate someone's safety or your own.

[Mike]

not to mention the front bumper cover will flex unless you build a new bumper support. and i suggest leaving the rear in because removing it has pretty much been proven to make the rear bumper cover act like a parachute

[Teds89IROC]

when i do the cage, and new carpet, im gonna get a large block of memory foam....shave it to fit down into the rear buckets, but be flat with the driveshaft tunnel across the top.. then carpet it like nothing is there, and viola, no seams, not as heavy as wood and screws and whatnot and will look much better

I like this idea hmmm

[jraney]

Just received the delete kit. I have not installed it yet. Quality is good but could be improved on. Kit is heavy, not as heavy as rear seat assmebly. Made from 3/4 MDF so it is a heavy duty kit. I think I am going to use these as templates to make lighter weight ones. I have a call into a carbon fiber supplier to see what he can do. I will keep you all posted. If they turn out good I will offer them to the membership here. Here are some pics of the kit.

[sweetbmxrider]

i ordered mine with hatches. we'll see how they look.

[jraney]

Who did you order them from?

[sweetbmxrider]

ebay. he said $20 more and he will put in hatches.

[stevethepirate]

I have a "carpeted refrigerator" as a rear seat delete.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/steveydthepirate/P1010167.jpg


Not for weight savings... did it so I don't have to give people rides, and for a place to hide my nitrous bottle.

[sweetbmxrider]

i put mine in the other day. i kind of want to turn them into sub boxes. i should snap a pic with the phone. they are ok.

[98tadriver]

Making the back of the car look like crap for !35lbs...

hey man thats .035 seconds gained in the 1/4 mile for free!

[98tadriver]

bumper supports together are around 42lbs. theyre only good for 5mph accidents anyway. id leave the doorbars in until u get a rollbar/cage in there. the noses of 98-02 trans ams will not flex in unless youre traveling at 150+ mph. camaros might be a lil different tho. the answer to the rear bumper "parachute problem" is to screw a piece of sheetmetal to your heatshield and bolt it to your bumper cover. stiffened it right up. and if youre reallly worried about drag, cut a hole out behind the license plate and use some kind of fastening device to allow your license plate to flap open u go over 100mph

[Mike]

well mine dosent sag because i have a tubular bumper support......and i was just throwing the info out there about the rear bumper

[98tadriver]

thats cool, and i too was throwing info out there as well :lol: we are so full of info!!

[sweetbmxrider]

there is no sound deadening behind the carpet so it would probably sit flusher if you had some. i think i am going to replace the "handles" with something from the hardware store. use the extra pieces to cover the bolts or just paint them black. all in all i like it better than what was there. :D

http://photos-c.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2689/48/4/707706396/n707706396_2834490_4258905.jpg

http://photos-b.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2689/48/4/707706396/n707706396_2834513_4072766.jpg

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2689/48/4/707706396/n707706396_2835177_779227.jpg

the color match is pretty good. this last pic makes it look worse than it is. freakin white balance on cell phones. :roll:

[LTb1ow]

Teh flux capacitor!!!!!

[sweetbmxrider]

uber

[LTb1ow]

They really close up the rear space. Looks good.

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah there is a nice thread on ls1tech where the kid is making a false wall kinda and flush mounting his system into it. looks like it will turn out real nice.

[Teds89IROC]

they look nice, how much do they weigh approximately?

[sweetbmxrider]

i wish i did weigh them. i believe they shipped at 20lbs. don't hold me to it though. maybe i'll take out out and weigh it some time this week.

[LTb1ow]

Can you sit on em? Like are they sturdy?

[sweetbmxrider]

guy said only 40lbs. i did sit on them though, they hold pretty good. they only bolt in two spots per delete though. where the backrest bolts and where the bottom cushion bolts. they don't rest on the floor either so i really wouldn't recommend riding on them, but i rest on them when effing around in the car.

[FIcamaroRE92]

looks good adam, I wanna do that eventually

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah i gotta do something with the cap wires to the amp though. i was originally going to put them under the deletes but why not show off :mrgreen:

i need to get my boxes covered with the neutral tan carpet though

[NastyEllEssWon]

i want rear seat delete boxes

[sweetbmxrider]

ebay or make em

[LTb1ow]

Who needs em? Just added weight... lol

[ta350]

Who needs em? Just added weight... lol


If its a DD (99% of the time on here they are) weight isn't a real big issue especially since its not a Full fledged drag only car.

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah and if i go to the track, i'm ripping most of the interior out. not racing on the street so full weight doesn't matter. just wanted the eye sore gone.