Should we build bigger cars for bigger people?

[Tsar]

Seems like it's what this show is suggesting. First on the block were the airlines - their sits were too small for people 3 times the normal size. Now the seems to be on the chopping block. The issue is not really the seat, at the moment, but rather the alignment in a small car with a big person inside & seatbelts.

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Questions, comments or concerns?
I think the solution is obvious, you?

[LTb1ow]

As much as I hate for big brother ness, I would be perfectly ok if the government stepped in and made things like that illegal. If you are too big, too bad, lose weight.

[Tsar]

I think the answer should be the same if let's say, I was 7 feet tall and decided to buy lotus Elise. Would Lotus change their car for me or tell me to go buy an F-150? I don't think I would have a right to complain about "poor design" and say that I had a bad experience w/ Lotus. The only different I see, I can't become shorter which would put me in a bigger disadvantage, at least that's the way I view it.

[LTb1ow]

I agree, being morbidly obese is your own fault and you can change it.

[Squirrel]

lol tubby bitch

[WildBillyT]

The absolute worst is when you have to fly on a plane where they ask your weight for payload purposes. I was on one once and a fat lady (probably in the 3-400s) told the attendent she was 200. A guy behind her called BS and told her to tell the truth because he doesn't want to die. I had to bite my lip because it was funny as hell.

[Teds89IROC]

So annoying, I don't understand why it's the dealerships responsibility to make sure they have seat belt extenders etc to accomodate these people. Not many people are dumb enough to buy a car they can barely fit into. It's the same old problem continued....no one takes responsibility for themselves.


The absolute worst is when you have to fly on a plane where they ask your weight for payload purposes. I was on one once and a fat lady (probably in the 3-400s) told the attendent she was 200. A guy behind her called BS and told her to tell the truth because he doesn't want to die. I had to bite my lip because it was funny as hell.

That is hilarious! :lol: :rofl:

[miketa95]

Didn't this lady look at any other cars when car shopping?

[Frosty]

I agree, being morbidly obese is your own fault and you can change it.

...and this is based on what medical evidence?

[LTb1ow]

...and this is based on what medical evidence?

Well you got there yourself, you can surely get yourself back to normal weights. Generations of people did it without problem before my time, I don't see why people have such a hard time with it now.

[Teds89IROC]

Well you got there yourself, you can surely get yourself back to normal weights. Generations of people did it without problem before my time, I don't see why people have such a hard time with it now.

it's the dollar menus :lol:

[LTb1ow]

Yea well you buy your fast food, just don't complain when you end up weighing more than 400.

[NJSPEEDER]

Don't most new cars come with height adjustable seat belts? I can't see designing a whole car based on individual stature or girth, maybe building in a few more adjustments for safety sake, but not designing anything especially for them.

[Teds89IROC]

Yea well you buy your fast food, just don't complain when you end up weighing more than 400.

I totally agree

Don't most new cars come with height adjustable seat belts? I can't see designing a whole car based on individual stature or girth, maybe building in a few more adjustments for safety sake, but not designing anything especially for them.

I think the only way they can accomodate her in that POS is to put the seat in the middle lol

[LTb1ow]

Nah, bags o cement on the passenger side to compensate.

[98tadriver]

As much as I hate for big brother ness, I would be perfectly ok if the government stepped in and made things like that illegal. If you are too big, too bad, lose weight.

i agree. people that are way fat need to lose some effing weight.

[Frosty]

Well you got there yourself, you can surely get yourself back to normal weights. Generations of people did it without problem before my time, I don't see why people have such a hard time with it now.

So people with serious medical conditions, thyroid problems, serious chemical imbalances can just "get themselves back to normal"? How about people that are disabled and couldn't work out or do physical activity to stay in shape? You know genetics play a very important role in that as well right?

Of course there are people are there that are just f'in lazy and do it to themselves but there are a ton of people out there that aren't at fault. Most people could lose a few pounds(myself included, ideally I should lose about 10) but some people can't control it, no matter what they do.

[ar0ck]

If I recall correctly, currently in Japan, senior citizens are fined a certain amount of money for every pant size they are over a government size regulation because of the increasing obesity problems they are having.

As much as I hate the idea of the government stepping in to tell us what to do this is probably one of the few I agree with.

[Frosty]

If I recall correctly, currently in Japan, senior citizens are fined a certain amount of money for every pant size they are over a government size regulation because of the increasing obesity problems they are having.

As much as I hate the idea of the government stepping in to tell us what to do this is probably one of the few I agree with.

Yeah I think they have something like that in place. However if you're ok with that then they should tax every horsepower your car makes right? If obesity is a health issue(which obviously it is) then driving powerful, fast cars is a danger to you, the public and costly to insurance companies...

See how slippery the slope can be?

[98tadriver]

...and this is based on what medical evidence?

you dont get fat from not eating like a fatass lol. and to anyone who might says its because of a medical condition- being morbidly obese accounts for alot of medical condtions that can cause you to be even more morbidly obese. they make medicine for thyroid problems. my friend has a thyroid problem. hes 5'7 190lbs, but he's pretty jacked. hes not fat. and about genetics, if somebody sees that their parents and relatives are fat, they can do something about it. diabled people probably cant help it. But i bet you 90% of obese people are just lazy pieces of crap who whine and complain about being horribly overweight, yet they do nothing about it.

[LTb1ow]

Of course there are people are there that are just f'in lazy and do it to themselves but there are a ton of people out there that aren't at fault. Most people could lose a few pounds(myself included, ideally I should lose about 10) but some people can't control it, no matter what they do.


And those would be the ones I am referring too, if you read Tsar's post he commented that he could not change how tall or short he may be so he couldn't be held to that but willingly making yourself overweight is not excusable.

[Frosty]

you dont get fat from not eating like a fatass lol. and to anyone who might says its because of a medical condition- being morbidly obese accounts for alot of medical condtions that can cause you to be even more morbidly obese

First part=wrong. Genetics play a huge role in how fat is used and stored. You could be on a super strict diet and not lose the weight you'd expect to.

The 2nd part is right...it's like a domino effect...one thing leads to another and it's just a vicious cycle.

[LTb1ow]

First part=wrong. Genetics play a huge role in how fat is used and stored. You could be on a super strict diet and not lose the weight you'd expect to.

The 2nd part is right...it's like a domino effect...one thing leads to another and it's just a vicious cycle.

Soooooooooo there was a huge genetic mutation in the past ten years that explains the sudden rise in obese people? :rofl:

[Frosty]

Soooooooooo there was a huge genetic mutation in the past ten years that explains the sudden rise in obese people? :rofl:

No but people have a tendency to see someone who is super fat and automatically assume it's their fault. It could easily be turned around and you can assume that someone who is always in the gym is a roid popping loser with no life...you could assume that person was a dork in school and always got picked on so they feel they have to be some ripped muscle guy but in reality they're still a loser on the inside. :rofl:

I guess my point is it's super easy to be judgmental and assume someone is lazy because they're really overweight. But again there are people out there that fit the stereotype and deserve every disease and illness they get.

[Tsar]

...and this is based on what medical evidence?
Its based on the old formula of calories in and calories out. Guess how that one works. Oh, my mother had thyroid cancer and she's far from fat so you might take that excuse somewhere else. If one takes care of their body it should be A-OK. Don't people ever take responsibility anymore? There's always someone/something else to blame....
The absolute worst is when you have to fly on a plane where they ask your weight for payload purposes. I was on one once and a fat lady (probably in the 3-400s) told the attendent she was 200. A guy behind her called BS and told her to tell the truth because he doesn't want to die. I had to bite my lip because it was funny as hell.
Funny story about planes. When I was in flight school I had to cancel my check ride because my examiner was too fat.... After calculating all the weight we were 150 lbs over. I had to wait a few extra days for instructor that would fit the "criteria".

[Frosty]

Its based on the old formula of calories in and calories out. Guess how that one works. Oh, my mother had thyroid cancer and she's far from fat so you might take that excuse somewhere else. If one takes care of their body it should be A-OK. Don't people ever take responsibility anymore? There's always someone/something else to blame....


Who is making excuses? I'm not morbidly obese. ;) Nor is anyone in my family or any of my friends...I'm just stating a reason someone could be obese.

EDIT: Sorry to hear your mom had cancer, glad she beat it and is ok. :)

[r0nin89]

Ok so how low is the percentage of people that it really isnt their fault? Saying that cars should be tailored around obese people because a few of them arent at fault for their weight is like saying that A establishment wont allow blacks to make use of their services because a small percentage follows a bad stereo type.

It seems a lot more ridiculous when you look at it flipped.

I dont see anyone making a Tall model of a corvette for my just cause i'm 6'6". Now thats something I really cant help.



Btw when my window minimized I thought you rick rolled us....

[Tsar]

Who is making excuses? I'm not morbidly obese. ;) Nor is anyone in my family or any of my friends...I'm just stating a reason someone could be obese.

EDIT: Sorry to hear your mom had cancer, glad she beat it and is ok. :)
I know, I just dislike when people blame something else besides themselves. There was a tv show on TLC where a guy claimed that he ate normal amount of calories per day (2000-2500) when they counted his daily food consumption he was eating closer to 20k per day. :shrug:

She did struggle at first, but after a few pep talks from me ( :lol: ) I told her how to get it under control. She lost the weight that she gained while she was on buttload of meds (she'll be on them for the rest of her life) and all exercise she did was walking at 3mph, and do everyday stuff that she does.




Btw when my window minimized I thought you rick rolled us....:lol:

[Teds89IROC]

First part=wrong. Genetics play a huge role in how fat is used and stored. You could be on a super strict diet and not lose the weight you'd expect to.



sure this holds true for losing weight but what about gaining the weight initially. If you're following a strict diet you're not packing pounds.

[WildBillyT]

I know people on both sides of the fence, but it's really slanted towards laziness.

One guy struggles to lose fat even when he works out heavily and eats a very strict diet. Parents are heavy, it's genetic, he's got a tough road to drive. Most of the other people I know who are fat (I won't use the term overweight) are just flat ****ing lazy. No good excuse and a million bad ones.

[r0nin89]

Noone can get fat everyones just big boned. Have Al Gore repeat and it'll be true! He invented the internet you know?!

http://old.piry.me/ale_mele/altele/thumb-cartman.jpg

[98tadriver]

sure this holds true for losing weight but what about gaining the weight initially. If you're following a strict diet you're not packing pounds.

thats what im saying. how about All those obese children 2yrs and up weighing 60+lbs that you see on tv? their parents let them eat whatever they want, whenever they want.. and thats pretty effing sad. the children probably dont know any better. but the parents do. thats the only time where i would put the blame on someone.

No but people have a tendency to see someone who is super fat and automatically assume it's their fault. It could easily be turned around and you can assume that someone who is always in the gym is a roid popping loser with no life...you could assume that person was a dork in school and always got picked on so they feel they have to be some ripped muscle guy but in reality they're still a loser on the inside. :rofl:.

i dont recall anybody saying anything about fat people being losers. theyre just fat and lazy. and the guy on roids actually got off of his ass and works hard at the gym. Meanwhile the obese sit at home, living a life of gluttony; a lonely life that will be short lived because they will develop the diseases associated with being obese and die

[WildBillyT]

thats what im saying. how about All those obese children 2yrs and up weighing 60+lbs that you see on tv? their parents let them eat whatever they want, whenever they want.. and thats pretty effing sad. the children probably dont know any better. but the parents do. thats the only time where i would put the blame on someone.



i dont recall anybody saying anything about fat people being losers. theyre just fat and lazy. and the guy on roids actually got off of his ass and works hard at the gym. Meanwhile the obese sit at home, living a life of gluttony; a lonely life that will be short lived because they will develop the diseases associated with being obese.

Diabeetis?

[98tadriver]

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd186/98tadriv/betes.jpg

[Frosty]

thats what im saying. how about All those obese children 2yrs and up weighing 60+lbs that you see on tv? their parents let them eat whatever they want, whenever they want.. and thats pretty effing sad. the children probably dont know any better. but the parents do. thats the only time where i would put the blame on someone.



i dont recall anybody saying anything about fat people being losers. theyre just fat and lazy. and the guy on roids actually got off of his ass and works hard at the gym. Meanwhile the obese sit at home, living a life of gluttony; a lonely life that will be short lived because they will develop the diseases associated with being obese and die

Personally I think those parents should be charged with child abuse...that is a disgrace.

So the guy in steroids is better because he got off of his ass? He'll end up being a drain on the healthcare industry just like obese people will be ;) You also proved my point by stereotyping people...so because someone is obese they live a life of sitting at home and living a life of gluttony? Dude...c'mon....

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd186/98tadriv/betes.jpg

YES!!!!!! :rofl:

[98tadriver]

Personally I think those parents should be charged with child abuse...that is a disgrace.

So the guy in steroids is better because he got off of his ass? He'll end up being a drain on the healthcare industry just like obese people will be ;) You also proved my point by stereotyping people...so because someone is obese they live a life of sitting at home and living a life of gluttony? Dude...c'mon....



YES!!!!!! :rofl:



and you just contradicted yourself about people being on steroids. what im getting at is you used someone as an example in your comparison- the guy on steroids working out at the gym. Working out at the gym is alot more than what obese people can say for themselves. This is what i say to those who complain and do nothing about their weight. Obese? yes. you wanna lose weight? yes. Well stop eating so goddamn much, get off your fat lazy ass and work out. you can even watch tv while youre on the treadmill!! :lol:

[98tadriver]

Well, im going to eat, pop my roids and go to the gym because i was a dork in highschool and always got picked on. :lol: ill be on later to argue some more haha

[LTb1ow]

Respect of your body is what it comes down to. You are what you eat.

[Frosty]

Well, im going to eat, pop my roids and go to the gym because i was a dork in highschool and always got picked on. :lol: ill be on later to argue some more haha

You put yourself in that category haha. It's all fun and games. :D I like debates like this, it's fun.

But you're ASSuming that the obese person just sits on their ass. Maybe they do what they can.

I can't work out anymore...am I lazy? :lol: Hell I have trouble opening up a soda bottle at times :( Does that mean I'm lazy? ;)

I understand your point all I'm saying is that it's a bit ****ed up to sit there and look at someone and say they're lazy just but looking at them. I guess by your thinking most people that are on government assistance are just leeches and lazy asses that refuse to work right?

[Knipps]

If you make em bigger for bigger people, make the prices bigger :lol:

[90FormulaWS6]

First off the covering reporter (brunette blue eyes) looks 10 times better after they cut back from the video clips than before, I mean am I right or am I right?

Now to the issue. As Tsar stated earlier, being overweight boils down to calories vs calories out. If you are consuming less than you burn in any given day, you will lose weight inevitably regardless of if it happens in a week or years. So to address the issue, I believe that being overweight is a personal issue.

On the comments about government intervention (do they really require different options to be made available?) Anyway, Car manufacturers should never be required to accommodate to any individual specific case. If they so choose to cater to a given population than so be it, but never should be required to do so (ie modification of car design, requirement for accomodating options being avail.)

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Why is this even on the news? It's pretty damn obvious, what is Kia going to "keep working on it" and end up doing?

First off the covering reporter (brunette blue eyes) looks 10 times better after they cut back from the video clips than before, I mean am I right or am I right?

Might have something to do with who was driving the Kia :nod:

[Dilley]

what the hell was this lady thinking buying a kia rio when she knows she is well over weight just because she likes it? i like dunking in basketball but i am way to short to ever do it but you don't see me saying that they should make the regulation hoop height 8ft just for me

[Tsar]

Well.... this wasn't really suppose to be "why are people fat" discussion, we all know that. It's because they consume too many calories. If they had calorie deficiency they would not be able to gain weight...


This was suppose to be about the program posted. I guess I'm glad that no one thinks that a car maker should cater to a specific group of individuals who are not satisfied with their product for one reason or another. Especially correctable reason that is upon the individual to correct on their own time.

[crazyblazer87]

Something like this happened at my work once before. Someone came in and had a 300C with auto high beams on it. The system operates by a "camera" detecting oncoming lights and turning the high beams off. After trying to figure out what was wrong and finding nothing it came to my attention that the owner was a bit on the heavy side. This through the alignment off for the camera so it couldn't detect the oncoming lights. So instead of having the customer sit in the car while I realigned the camera we just had a couple of guys sit on the driver's side of the car and then i realigned it.
Was that to hard to figure out so the lady didn't feel so bad about herself. Now that lady is going to probably sue or something and she will probably win.

[Tsar]

Was that to hard to figure out so the lady didn't feel so bad about herself. Now that lady is going to probably sue or something and she will probably win.
Sue for what? Being too fat? That would be truly a sad day in our Judicial history.

It's not like a dealership sold her a lemon/defective car, she's the one to blame in this situation. No?

[B4C]

I'm overweight does that make me a lazy pos??
We had to align a car at work with the guy in it cuz he weighed like 500lbs.

[Tsar]

I'm overweight does that make me a lazy pos??
1. Not what this thread is about.
2. We would need more information. But you already know the answer for yourself. If one is overweight that means they don't take care of themselves. Simple as that. Now move on.


We had to align a car at work with the guy in it cuz he weighed like 500lbs.Did he get all upset, or was he "ok" with that.

[B4C]

1. Not what this thread is about.
2. We would need more information. But you already know the answer for yourself. If one is overweight that means they don't take care of themselves. Simple as that. Now move on.

Did he get all upset, or was he "ok" with that.

1. That's what it seemed to have turned into.
2. No It dosent mean that well not in my case anyway for alot people it is but not all.
No he didn't he was ok with it I think he understood that him being the was he was that it had to be done to fix the car correctly since he wasn't going to do anything about being 500lbs. He was driving a town car

[Tsar]

No he didn't he was ok with it I think he understood that him being the was he was that it had to be done to fix the car correctly since he wasn't going to do anything about being 500lbs. He was driving a town car
Seems more reasonable to me than the lady in the program.

[crazyblazer87]

She might sue for some b/s about being embarrassed or something. Whatever legal term that can be used here. It just seems like people these days just want to get things for doing nothing, is all that I am saying. Why would this lady go to the press and make it more of an embarrassing moment in her life? There has to be some good reason for it.

[Tsar]

She might sue for some b/s about being embarrassed or something. Whatever legal term that can be used here. It just seems like people these days just want to get things for doing nothing, is all that I am saying. Why would this lady go to the press and make it more of an embarrassing moment in her life? There has to be some good reason for it.

You' re thinking of Intentional infliction of emotional distress or IIED.

She would lose because she would need all of the following to prove it.
1. Defendant acted intentionally or recklessly; and
2. Defendant’s conduct was extreme and outrageous; and
3. Defendant’s act is the cause of the distress; and
4. Plaintiff suffers severe emotional distress as a result of defendant’s conduct.

[Teds89IROC]

Something like this happened at my work once before. Someone came in and had a 300C with auto high beams on it. The system operates by a "camera" detecting oncoming lights and turning the high beams off. After trying to figure out what was wrong and finding nothing it came to my attention that the owner was a bit on the heavy side. This through the alignment off for the camera so it couldn't detect the oncoming lights. So instead of having the customer sit in the car while I realigned the camera we just had a couple of guys sit on the driver's side of the car and then i realigned it.
Was that to hard to figure out so the lady didn't feel so bad about herself. Now that lady is going to probably sue or something and she will probably win.


In your case, it was easier to handle because all you had to do was change the angle of a little camera. In this girl's case, her weight is throwing off the way the car steers and handles. How could you possibly adjust the alignment of a car to compensate for her weight when you know that if anyone else is in the car with her it's going to throw off the alignment again and she'll be back? Not to mention the safety factor of the whole thing.

Eventually, this news would have to be brought to her attention because it's not the dealership that is screwing up and they're not going to continue to diagnose a problem and rack up labor when they know what is causing it.

[redbanditZ28]

Does anyone miss when cars were made big in general? I know I sure do. I miss my grandfather's Caprice Classic. That had a lot of room in it both front and back seats. I miss driving boats instead of these windup toys they manufacture nowadays. I went from driving a 87 Pontiac Safari Station wagon as my DD during College which was longer than most extended pickup trucks and SUVs and that was a big boat made of metal and woodgrain. Horrible on gas and bad acceleration, but damn it was a comfortable car, handles smoothly, great suspension and lots of room, just like the Caprice. Even Cadillac has shrunk their DTS. I don't get why. Not everyone wants a smaller car in exchange for fuel economy. I blame having to compete with the Asian car market. I love those Caddys from the 50s and 60s that are so long with those huge trunks.

[crazyblazer87]

In your case, it was easier to handle because all you had to do was change the angle of a little camera. In this girl's case, her weight is throwing off the way the car steers and handles. How could you possibly adjust the alignment of a car to compensate for her weight when you know that if anyone else is in the car with her it's going to throw off the alignment again and she'll be back? Not to mention the safety factor of the whole thing.

Eventually, this news would have to be brought to her attention because it's not the dealership that is screwing up and they're not going to continue to diagnose a problem and rack up labor when they know what is causing it.

I agree, Apparently most people that complain about alignment pulls don't think about crowning in the roadways (for drainage), radial pull from bad tires, etc.

[98tadriver]

You put yourself in that category haha. It's all fun and games. :D I like debates like this, it's fun.

But you're ASSuming that the obese person just sits on their ass. Maybe they do what they can.

I can't work out anymore...am I lazy? :lol: Hell I have trouble opening up a soda bottle at times :( Does that mean I'm lazy? ;)

I understand your point all I'm saying is that it's a bit ****ed up to sit there and look at someone and say they're lazy just but looking at them. I guess by your thinking most people that are on government assistance are just leeches and lazy asses that refuse to work right?

Its alright, we all know you have a fat person fetish and love BBW's :lol:

[bubba428]

I am by no means a small person, and I drive a ****ing cavalier...bitch needs to STFU and put down the twinky. If your a fat slob its probably your own fault. She's the kinda person that'll end up dieing in a fire cause they couldn't fit her ass out the window...maybe she should just drive a truck? anybody think of that?

[98tadriver]

I am by no means a small person, and I drive a ****ing cavalier...bitch needs to STFU and put down the twinky. If your a fat slob its probably your own fault. She's the kinda person that'll end up dieing in a fire cause they couldn't fit her ass out the window...maybe she should just drive a truck? anybody think of that?

yeah! like a stake body. she would be in the back of course

[KirkEvil]

I understand that people are over weight from medical disease, and genetics , but most of the time its a lack of motivation to do something about it. This girl has no reason to complain about a dealership asking for her weight or sit in the car while doing an alignment. She should be happy that they are trying to tailor the car to her fat ass.

[Tru2Chevy]

Anyone have another source for the video? Won't load for me here at work.

- Justin

[Slo86Bird]

im fat. im 6'3 285 pounds. i tried to just sit in a solstice and couldnt, i could fit like a leg in and could sit down. kinda rediculous. didnt offend me in any way, im not gunna complain to pontiac for it, i just know to keep my fatself out the small ****in cars. i had a 86 firebird and was comfortable in that but my legs would get claustrophobic and now i have a durango and im perfectly fine. but for the record...im not that fat. everyone thinks i weigh like 220 lol.

[bubba428]

yeah! like a stake body. she would be in the back of course

no more like a utilitly bed dually...or at least a 3500 with hydraulic tilt bed so she can just roll her fat ass out, and a winch to get in...It would have to be a tow truck quality winch though. thats a lot of wear and tear

[DaSkinnyGuy]

They made their mistake of getting fat why should we have to pay for them to get comfortable. Make them walk their butt until they can fit correctly with out any major adjustments. If its a woman thats of average size but just has above normal hooters, than yea lets help her out to get that seat belt to fit.

[bubba428]

They made their mistake of getting fat why should we have to pay for them to get comfortable. Make them walk their butt until they can fit correctly with out any major adjustments. If its a woman thats of average size but just has above normal hooters, than yea lets help her out to get that seat belt to fit.

how about we just give her a job in entertainment so she can pay for a new car all together ;)

[Crayface]

If i was the dealership i would call her in saying her car is ready and once she arrives all she is going to see is a treadmill. That would be F%^&ing hilarious