View Full Version : Moser 9'' / other rears
lilredjeep91
03-15-2009, 12:39 AM
hey does anyone have a moser 9'' ? and can you any of you help me out on some info im looking at getting a new rear looking at the moser 9'', moser 12 bolt and the strange rear whats everyones info on them ?
when you say Strange rear, I'm assuming you mean the S60 right? if so, that's a bit overkill for your car.
not really sure what kind of info you're looking for on the 9" and 12 bolt. I thought I remembered hearing that one had a better torque arm mount than the other. I think there is a difference with 3 and 4 channel abs between the two also. I'm sure someone else will chime in with more accurate info.
lilredjeep91
03-15-2009, 01:26 AM
here is the list of rears im looking at im looking for a bolt in rear put oil in and go.
Moser 12 bolt
Moser 9''
Strange 12 bolt
Strange S60
if you have any of the rears or know info on the what is the best for street/strip use and an ez rear to install
Blackbirdws6
03-15-2009, 07:22 AM
12-bolt and S60 are the easiest to install IIRC. I just picked up a S60 rear for the bird with a new driveshaft and it came totally assembled with fluids and such. It also comes ready to roll with LT1 backing plates so no hassle with that as well. Pricing was very solid as well compared to the others.
A lot of people like the 9inch which is just fine but even though the S60 is overkill even for my setup, I would prefer it to be bulletproof and very straightforward to install.
Good luck with your choice.
//<86TA>\\
03-15-2009, 11:25 AM
i have a moser 9". The only thing i dont like is that the torque arm bracket for the rear will hit the floor is the car is lowered, and make a hole:-x.
I spent a little more money and got the moser aluminum center section as well to save a few pounds.
Other than that its a sweet setup.
the 12 bolts are probably the most economical, and like said above the s60 is a bit overkill and pretty heavy as well.
The moser 12bolt uses 4 small bolts to hold the torque arm to the rear, which tend to come loose and damage the rear and torque arm, while the strange 12 bolt uses the factory style through bolts. If you go 12 bolt i would go with the strange rear.
when you say Strange rear, I'm assuming you mean the S60 right? if so, that's a bit overkill for your car.
not really sure what kind of info you're looking for on the 9" and 12 bolt. I thought I remembered hearing that one had a better torque arm mount than the other. I think there is a difference with 3 and 4 channel abs between the two also. I'm sure someone else will chime in with more accurate info.
ian is refering to the moser 12 bolt. mosers design uses 4 short bolts (2 top, 2bottom) to install the tq arm, rather than the factory style long bolts and nuts. people (myself included) have experienced these short bolts backing out, and if you dont catch it they can cause some damage.
mine have since been given a bit of assistance in staying tight (small tack weld on each bolt) but some might not want to go that route
BonzoHansen
03-15-2009, 12:03 PM
Chris (1quikbird) just had that problem with the bolts backing out IIRC.
lilredjeep91
03-15-2009, 12:46 PM
alright from hearing what everyone has to say about the moser and strange i think im going to go with the strange rear but i dont know if i want the 12bolt or s60 what is the differance between the strange 12 bolt and the strange s60 ? is one alot more heavy ? and if you have one where did you get it and how was the price and did you get to pick the gears you want ?
one is a 12 bolt and the other is a dana 60....... the s60 is heavier but stronger, the 12 bolt you can use the stock length drive shaft, the s60 you need a drive shaft (sometimes you can find a package deal)
no matter where you get it you choose the gears.
LTb1ow
03-15-2009, 01:01 PM
The S60 is less efficient I think too.
The S60 is less efficient I think too.
really? I was under the impression that it was more efficient. I always heard it went 9 inch, 12 bolt, S60 in order of least efficient to most efficient. :shrug:
00 LS1
03-15-2009, 02:32 PM
Buy the Strange 12 bolt :nod:
Featherburner
03-15-2009, 03:37 PM
really? I was under the impression that it was more efficient. I always heard it went 9 inch, 12 bolt, S60 in order of least efficient to most efficient. :shrug:
:nod:
lilredjeep91
03-15-2009, 06:49 PM
so the strange 12 bolt i can use the same drive shaft and the strange s60 i need a new one ?
//<86TA>\\
03-15-2009, 07:56 PM
yes
12 bolt uses factory length driveshaft with a different u-joint, s60 AND 9inch need custom drive shafts
//<86TA>\\
03-15-2009, 08:38 PM
12 bolt uses factory length driveshaft with a different u-joint, s60 AND 9inch need custom drive shafts
unless its different with a 4th gen? im using a stock length drive shaft with my 9" rear, different u-joints.
hmm, i just had to go through this when i ordered my drive shaft
camaroracer1992
03-15-2009, 09:08 PM
go moser 9 inch and never look back
Slow 88
03-15-2009, 09:53 PM
moser 9" here no probs at all
Firebird67dude
03-16-2009, 12:35 AM
So whats this 3 and 4 channel abs stuff? What would a 93 car have? I'm also looking at rears as well.
lilredjeep91
03-16-2009, 07:17 AM
thats a good question tim, how can i tell if my car is 3 or 4 channel abs ? and the moser 9" can i use the factory drive shaft ?
camaroAL
03-16-2009, 07:24 AM
i use a moser 12 bolt which is less rotating mass than a 9" . have been 1.36 60ft. with no probs. 33 spline axles spool and rear girdle. over 450 passes running mid to low 10's. i would not use a stock drive shaft but it will work.
JSPERFORMANCE
03-16-2009, 07:38 AM
go moser 9 inch and never look back
I have a 9" in my street car and had to "look back" to see all of the pieces when I scattered it all over the track.
So whats this 3 and 4 channel abs stuff? What would a 93 car have? I'm also looking at rears as well.
thats a good question tim, how can i tell if my car is 3 or 4 channel abs ? and the moser 9" can i use the factory drive shaft ?
15. What's the difference between a 3 channel and 4 channel rear?
A three channel rear end has ABS. A 4 channel rear end has ABS and traction control. A 'channel' is just a way of describing the means for a speed sensor to gauge the wheel speed. On a 3 channel rear end, the two front wheels have sensors, and there is one sensor on top of the rear end housing that reads for the whole rear. On a 4 channel rear end, there is a speed sensor at every wheel. 4 channel rear ends have reluctor wheels on each axle, 3 channel rears have one big reluctor ring on the differential. Because a 4 channel has a sensor at each rear wheel it can see the difference in speed between one wheel and the other, and ta-da, you have traction control.
16. Will a 3 channel rear end work in my 4 channel car?
Yes, you can make it work, if you put the axles from your four channel car into the 3 channel rear end and install the sensors into the backing plate. To put a 4 series into a 3 series would be more difficult, because it would require you to drill in the top of the rear housing for the sensor, and add a reluctor ring to the carrier as well.
sweetbmxrider
03-16-2009, 03:24 PM
basically, if you have an asr/traction control button, you have a 4 channel rear.
Tru2Chevy
03-17-2009, 05:51 PM
really? I was under the impression that it was more efficient. I always heard it went 9 inch, 12 bolt, S60 in order of least efficient to most efficient. :shrug:
:nod:
I have heard this is well. Seem to remember seeing a magazine article with back to back dyno pulls swapping the 3 rears with the same gears and same style differential showing evidence of that as well.
- Justin
lilredjeep91
03-19-2009, 07:21 AM
alright im going to be ordering my rear soon and i still cant pick between the strange 12bolt and the strange s60 i want to know can i use my factory driveshaft with the s60 ? and if not what one do i need and where can i get it and about how much am im i looking at ?
camaroAL
03-19-2009, 08:19 AM
u can get a driveshaft from driveline service in clifton on rt. 46. with the better u joints ur looking around 250-300$ this guy does all my race driveshafts. the rear its self is going to be around $2200
Blackbirdws6
03-19-2009, 08:20 AM
alright im going to be ordering my rear soon and i still cant pick between the strange 12bolt and the strange s60 i want to know can i use my factory driveshaft with the s60 ? and if not what one do i need and where can i get it and about how much am im i looking at ?
You need a new driveshaft with the S60. PM me if you want the company I bought mine from. I got a good deal and great customer service.
Your looking at $2k+ any way you cut it.
alright im going to be ordering my rear soon and i still cant pick between the strange 12bolt and the strange s60 i want to know can i use my factory driveshaft with the s60 ? and if not what one do i need and where can i get it and about how much am im i looking at ?
im certain i mentioned in at least one post that you can't.... but even if you could, why would you want to? the point of the stronger rear is for more reliable results when you abuse the car..........
http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/1824231175.jpg?1233520991
and since the driveshaft and rear will be out of the car anyway, and your spending 2k plus anyway, spend another 100 bucks on a driveshaft loop
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