CETA/Blackbird debate

[DaSkinnyGuy]

thats awsome, it has the blackbird stripes and the blackbird rear bumper mod.

[Mike]

thats awsome, it has the blackbird stripes and the blackbird rear bumper mod.

umm yeah thats ceta, not blackbird

[DaSkinnyGuy]

umm yeah thats ceta, not blackbird

wrong, 2001 was when the blackbird trans am came out, the 2002 CETA came out 2002 thus the blackbird had the rear bumper painted first, thus why people are wrong when they call it a CETA mod, thus berger panel on a camaro is wrong when camaros had it back in the 60's thus making it the chevy panel mod.

Either way looks great no matter what you want to call it.

[ar0ck]

wrong, 2001 was when the blackbird trans am came out, the 2002 CETA came out 2002 thus the blackbird had the rear bumper painted first, thus why people are wrong when they call it a CETA mod, thus berger panel on a camaro is wrong when camaros had it back in the 60's thus making it the chevy panel mod.


Fact: No one cares...

[Mike]

wrong, 2001 was when the blackbird trans am came out, the 2002 CETA came out 2002 thus the blackbird had the rear bumper painted first, thus why people are wrong when they call it a CETA mod, thus berger panel on a camaro is wrong when camaros had it back in the 60's thus making it the chevy panel mod.

Either way looks great no matter what you want to call it.

the carl black cars, had metallic silver rear panels. ceta cars have black. the pictures above are black.

[Mike]

"In February of 2001, Carl Black produced the first series of High Performance Pontiac Trans Ams in memory of the late Muscle Car Era. Our goal at Carl Black, was to produce a performance car that combines the nostalgic feel and sound of the Sixties with the technology, power, handling and style of today. The result was the Black Bird, the pinnacle of 35 years of muscle cars. Fifty of these specialty vehicles were sold to collectors and power enthusiasts across the Country.
Each Black Bird starts out as a stock Pontiac Trans Am WS6 Ram Air with LS1 5.7 liter V-8 engine, 6-speed manual transmission and Hurst shift linkage. Carl Black´s high performance modifications include a 380 horsepower / 400 ft lb torque engine package, short throw shifter, high flow air box lid, chambered cat back exhaust, front and rear Eibach 1.5" lowering springs, dimpled front and rear disc brake rotors and Torq-Thrust II 17" ARE wheels.
The Black Bird´s performance is very impressive, doing 0 to 60 mph in just 4.40 seconds, and turning the quarter mile in 12.87 seconds at 111 mph. The cat back 3 chambered exhaust system provides increased horsepower and an impressive note reminiscent of the late 1960´s muscle cars. The under-drive pulley system delivers 337 horsepower to the rear wheels. The dimpled rotors add additional cooling to the 4 wheel disc brakes, and the lowered suspension offers improved handling and control.
The Black Bird appearance package features dual 380 HP hood accent stripes, Black Bird Cloisonné hood and fender badging, Metallic Silver rear lower panel, all new silver face gauges on the instrument panel, nostalgic black shift ball, auto dimming rearview mirror with compass, Mobil 1 oil fill cap and decal, car cover and floormats with embroidered Black Bird logo.
Only 50 Black Birds were produced. Each car´s number is displayed on the windshield and rear view mirror, and is stamped on the engine and exhaust manifold. The Black Bird was only offered as a complete package, and only from Carl Black."


or direct from gmmg's site.........http://gmmginc.net/programs/Blackbird/

[ar0ck]

Carl Black GMMG "Black bird"
http://www.firebirdgallery.com/4th%20Gen%20Images/01ta13.3.jpg

CETA Trans Am:
http://jmichael.info/TransA4.jpg

[sweetbmxrider]

wrong, 2001 was when the blackbird trans am came out, the 2002 CETA came out 2002 thus the blackbird had the rear bumper painted first, thus why people are wrong when they call it a CETA mod, thus berger panel on a camaro is wrong when camaros had it back in the 60's thus making it the chevy panel mod.

Either way looks great no matter what you want to call it.

i have a berger panel so suck it. who gave the camaros the black panel in the 60's? berger chevy. YEAH SUCK IT!

[Mike]

i have a berger panel so suck it. who gave the camaros the black panel in the 60's? berger chevy. YEAH SUCK IT!

gm did

[NastyEllEssWon]

thanks for splitting this off from my thread.




and as a matter of fact......it is nasty :twisted:

[NJ346]

wrong, 2001 was when the blackbird trans am came out, the 2002 CETA came out 2002 thus the blackbird had the rear bumper painted first, thus why people are wrong when they call it a CETA mod, thus berger panel on a camaro is wrong when camaros had it back in the 60's thus making it the chevy panel mod.

Either way looks great no matter what you want to call it.

LS1tech calls it the CETA mod. If it's good enough for the hundreds of thousands of users over there, then it's good enough for me. Pretty sure 1<100,000+. Good luck on ur argument. :lol:

[LTb1ow]

Just cause a lot of people agree on something hardly makes it right.

[Mike]

dosent matter what you call it. if gmmg/carl black painted theirs silver, the only ones that could be called a "blackbird panel" would be silver ones

[sweetbmxrider]

Just cause a lot of people agree on something hardly makes it right.

your so wrong. who agrees with me?

[NJ346]

your so wrong. who agrees with me?

Agreed.

[DaSkinnyGuy]

Just because Everyone calls it on ls1tech the CETA mod doesnt mean that LS1tech is the offical 4thgen F-Body Webdsters dictionary. You end up getting alot of people who have no idea what a CETA is but they feel heck why not just follow what the other guy said and call it that.

About the color part- If my townhouse is beige and i paint it white is it now called an appartment. Nope its still a town house. so why would being if its painted silver we should only call it a blackbird and if its only black call it a ceta. What about all the other colors there are if you paint it orange then what do you call it. A Hugger rear bumper mod?

[Saitin]

J A Hugger rear bumper mod?

LOL the truth is they probably would.

[Mike]

Just because Everyone calls it on ls1tech the CETA mod doesnt mean that LS1tech is the offical 4thgen F-Body Webdsters dictionary. You end up getting alot of people who have no idea what a CETA is but they feel heck why not just follow what the other guy said and call it that.

About the color part- If my townhouse is beige and i paint it white is it now called an appartment. Nope its still a town house. so why would being if its painted silver we should only call it a blackbird and if its only black call it a ceta. What about all the other colors there are if you paint it orange then what do you call it. A Hugger rear bumper mod?

you're taking the internet wayyyy to seriously.

[LTb1ow]

http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/internet_tough_guys.jpg

[NastyEllEssWon]

Just because Everyone calls it on ls1tech the CETA mod doesnt mean that LS1tech is the offical 4thgen F-Body Webdsters dictionary. You end up getting alot of people who have no idea what a CETA is but they feel heck why not just follow what the other guy said and call it that.

About the color part- If my townhouse is beige and i paint it white is it now called an appartment. Nope its still a town house. so why would being if its painted silver we should only call it a blackbird and if its only black call it a ceta. What about all the other colors there are if you paint it orange then what do you call it. A Hugger rear bumper mod?





because blackbirds panels were all silver....and yup....ceta's panels were all black. the difference isnt that someone painted it. the difference is achieving the look of the car. painting the panel black doesnt achieve a blackbird look. it achieves the ceta look. if its silver its achieving the blackbird look.

the panel on my trans am has the ceta mod and the reason i call it that is because it is a ceta mod. i will be having my mirrors and sail panel painted black as well to achieve the ceta look ive always dreamed of. except instead of doing the side feathers id rather do the vinyl on the spoiler like my bb stripes on my hood.

a little mix of both

[DaSkinnyGuy]

This isnt about being tough its about getting people to realize that for the last 7 years they have been calling something by the wrong name and In my opinion if someone created something first then call it by who that was.This debate can go on about the berger panel for the camaros also, i know there people out there that do not call it the berger panel.

Heres food for thought: ford created the assembly line. We still call this mass production line the assembly line no matter what car manafacture you walk into, because they created it first.

[Mike]

This isnt about being tough its about getting people to realize that for the last 7 years they have been calling something by the wrong name and In my opinion if someone created something first then call it by who that was.This debate can go on about the berger panel for the camaros also, i know there people out there that do not call it the berger panel.

Heres food for thought: ford created the assembly line. We still call this mass production line the assembly line no matter what car manafacture you walk into, because they created it first.

what does the assembly line have to do with anything? it is simply a description of the method of building somthing

[NJ346]

This isnt about being tough its about getting people to realize that for the last 7 years they have been calling something by the wrong name and In my opinion if someone created something first then call it by who that was.This debate can go on about the berger panel for the camaros also, i know there people out there that do not call it the berger panel.

Heres food for thought: ford created the assembly line. We still call this mass production line the assembly line no matter what car manafacture you walk into, because they created it first.

Why do you even care so much? You can call it what you want and we can call it what we want. Your obviously not going to change the opinion on this site(or anywhere on the internet), so instead of continuing to add to this now pointless thread, just quit while your still somewhat ahead...

[Mike]

Why do you even care so much? You can call it what you want and we can call it what we want. Your obviously not going to change the opinion on this site(or anywhere on the internet), so instead of continuing to add to this now pointless thread, just quit while your still somewhat ahead...

it did get pretty pointless. i mean, once i posted the information from carl blacks site, and from the gmmg site, and alex posted the pictures, it was pretty much over.....we use facts, and he uses his personal feelings.

daskinnyguy, you say everyone has been calling it the wrong thing for 7 years, well how can everyone be wrong, and one person be right? you are the only person i have ever seen in person or on any site that thinks it should be a blackbird panel........

remember, only 50 blackbirds were ever made in 01, so chances are most people never saw one, so the first car they ever saw with a painted panel was the ceta. so if the people that first did it back in 02 did it because they saw it on a ceta, than it is a ceta mod

[DaSkinnyGuy]

Correct, no way am i changing someones opinion. At the same time for anyone who had never thought about it, now has given them some info to see why it could have been called this from the begininng.

If you didnt notice my post had been made into a thread by an admin, never heard me complain about it, I just kept moving with it.

I knew someone would not know and i kept it quite until someone fell into the trap. Not all Blackbirds were painted the silver metallic. There is at least one color combition that was different if need be i can post up the pics.

Since its clear what happens when people lacked the full knowledge in the beginning of what car orginally had the lower panel painted and you get the most common car that was painted after using the name to call it that.

Im glad this debate was taken out of nastyelesones thread about his really nice new car he got and brought into this thread.

You cant say im wrong that the blackbird had the lower panel painted first, and thats why i used some random thought such as the ford assembly line into the debate, ford had created the assembly line first and we still call it by that, we never changed the name. So why call the panel by the second car that was painted by it, not the 1st.

The color of how the panel is being painted shouldnt change the name of it.

Nothing is pointless, There was a point.

Shownomercy did put a great point across but stayed quite for his sake.

At least cbrmike agreed that GM created the black panel on the camaros not berger. This is the same reason why for a long time my opinion was if someone paints it first call it by who painted it.

As for the answer its clear the forum likes Ceta and im the only one walking away calling it a blackbird.

[Mike]

Correct, no way am i changing someones opinion. At the same time for anyone who had never thought about it, now has given them some info to see why it could have been called this from the begininng.

If you didnt notice my post had been made into a thread by an admin, never heard me complain about it, I just kept moving with it.

I knew someone would not know and i kept it quite until someone fell into the trap. Not all Blackbirds were painted the silver metallic. There is at least one color combition that was different if need be i can post up the pics.

Since its clear what happens when people lacked the full knowledge in the beginning of what car orginally had the lower panel painted and you get the most common car that was painted after using the name to call it that.

Im glad this debate was taken out of nastyelesones thread about his really nice new car he got and brought into this thread.

You cant say im wrong that the blackbird had the lower panel painted first, and thats why i used some random thought such as the ford assembly line into the debate, ford had created the assembly line first and we still call it by that, we never changed the name. So why call the panel by the second car that was painted by it, not the 1st.

The color of how the panel is being painted shouldnt change the name of it.

Nothing is pointless, There was a point.

Shownomercy did put a great point across but stayed quite for his sake.

At least cbrmike agreed that GM created the black panel on the camaros not berger. This is the same reason why for a long time my opinion was if someone paints it first call it by who painted it.

As for the answer its clear the forum likes Ceta and im the only one walking away calling it a blackbird.

i noticed, i requested it since the thread got so off topic.

if you have pictures of a FACTORY blackbird/carl black car having a different color post them, because on both the carl black site, AND THE gmmg site, they state that all 50 were painted silver

[WildBillyT]

At least cbrmike agreed that GM created the black panel on the camaros not berger. This is the same reason why for a long time my opinion was if someone paints it first call it by who painted it.


If we are splitting hairs then as far as I can tell the black tail panels started on the 1965 Z-16 Chevelles- not even the f body.

[DaSkinnyGuy]

Lower panel is same color as the stripes.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/DaSkinnyGuy/02ta20_2.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/DaSkinnyGuy/02ta20_1.jpg

Wildbill thats some good info but were sticking to fbody platform.

[Mike]

ok....if gmmg did it first and they are all "blackbird bumpers"

what do i have if i go out and buy a ceta that was painted by gm?

[Mike]

Lower panel is same color as the stripes.

yeah and joe schmoe and his cousin billy bob could have painted that car, if you want to prove a point, use proof

[DaSkinnyGuy]

Scroll down page second car.

http://www.firebirdgallery.com/carlblacklot1.htm

[Mike]

once again. go to the gmmg site. ALL OF THEM HAD SILVER, ITS LISTED AS A BULLET POINT IN THE PACKAGE

[Mike]

Scroll down page second car.

http://www.firebirdgallery.com/carlblacklot1.htm

LOL re read it yourself, its not a black bird. its one of 17 2002 carl black anniversary cars

[DaSkinnyGuy]

So carl black made blackbirds

there was a blackbird, and a carlblack bird.

[Mike]

reread the thing you told me to read, it is a 2002 aniversary car, its not one of the 50 blackbirds

[Mike]

"Great Website! I have some updated information about the Carl Black / GMMG cars for 2002 - and some great pictures for you! I recently purchased car number 1 of the 35th Anniversary Firebird series, based on the Blackbird Trans Am. I had been looking for a limited edition, or anniversary Trans Am for some time, when I came across this car on Ebay in the summer of 2004. Talk about a collector's dream - car number 1 in a series of only 19 promotional cars! Here's the scoop - only 50 original Blackbirds were produced, and sold so quickly that Carl Black Pontiac wanted another series of 50 high performance Trans Ams, which they would refer to as the "35th Anniversary Firebird" package.
These cars had the same performance modifications as the Blackbirds, but sported unique Anniversary badges/emblems and different nostalgic wheels. The production run of these cars was cut short due to General Motors legal issues, and only 17 promotional cars were allowed to continue to full production, with 2 additional cars being pushed through late by Carl Black's sales manager, for a total of 19 Anniversary edition cars. This information is direct from Matt Murphy, president/founder of GMMG. I am the second owner of this car, which had 5,000 miles on the odometer when I purchased it. Exterior is Arctic White, with Blue 380HP callout stripes on the hood (reminiscent of the 1969 Trans Am). Interior is black leather, white Hurst shift knob with short-throw performance linkage, Anniversary specific gauge cluster and floormats. See attached photos of the car, including its advertisement in Pontiac Enthusiast magazine. These cars represent the pinnacle of Pontiac's all-American muscle - a thrill to own, show and most importantly drive!"


there you go, since its so hard to figure out

[DaSkinnyGuy]

I figured since it was based on the blackbird that the carlblack was a carl black blackbird not "carl black" Now we know the carl blacks had different color lower panels than the blackbirds

Blackbirds yes were all painted silver of the orginal 50 total

Ceta's were all painted black.

which only makes it right to call it a ceta if you painted your T/A lower panel black. Which makes it right for you to call it a blackbird if you painted it silver. And if you have any other color than that makes it just a unique lower panel.

there was a point i found out that if i would have called his lower panel a ceta because its black it would be right but if it was silver its a blackbird.

[WildBillyT]

Just to clarify:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/double_overdrive496/BB.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/double_overdrive496/AE.jpg

[Mike]

I figured since it was based on the blackbird that the carlblack was a carl black blackbird not "carl black" Now we know the carl blacks had different color lower panels than the blackbirds

Blackbirds yes were all painted silver of the orginal 50 total

Ceta's were all painted black.

which only makes it right to call it a ceta if you painted your T/A lower panel black. Which makes it right for you to call it a blackbird if you painted it silver. And if you have any other color than that makes it just a unique lower panel.


which is what i have been saying every post in this thread.

the reason that one is blue is because its based off the 97 and 99 white and blue aniversary cars.

even the pewter blackbirds had silver bumpers......which, is, retarded looking lol

[98tadriver]

so skinny guy was arguing with you hardcore in the beginning, and now hes agreeing with you, but now he's making it sound like this is what he was trying to say in the beginning, but in actuality, he really wasnt? shouldnt he just say, "mike im sorry i doubted your knowledge. you were right, i was wrong." ?

[Mike]

notice his posts are edited? he was arguing in these posts too

[NastyEllEssWon]

the point being is that he called my rear bumper panel a CETA mod. it is a ceta mod because it happens to be painted black, not silver. to which you conceded 3 posts above or so to be a ceta panel is black and blackbird if silver. thats what the original argument was about and you just sidestepped to our side of the argument and agreed with what we were saying but trying to make it look like your still right. some maneuver there buddy.

[98tadriver]

notice his posts are edited? he was arguing in these posts too

yessir. ive argued with people like him before. i know their type all too well :lol:

[sweetbmxrider]

so how much do you think i could get for my berger panel?

[98tadriver]

is it a Reallll beger panel?

[WildBillyT]

is it a Reallll beger panel?

LOL. Nope.

[98tadriver]

didnt somebody on here make a Burger Panel before?

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah it is! as real as unicorns and dragons!

[sweetbmxrider]

didnt somebody on here make a Burger Panel before?

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb51/Alfredo_Jaramillo_00/LS1TECH/BURGERBergerPanel.jpg

[LTb1ow]

Hmm burgerssss


I want a cheeseburger. With fries.

[98tadriver]

looks yummy!

[DaSkinnyGuy]

i was a blockhead i was wrong. but if it was silver i would have been correct.

[NastyEllEssWon]

i was a blockhead i was wrong. but if it was silver i would have been correct.





''i was wrong but if i wasnt, i was right.''

[wretched73]

''i was wrong but if i wasnt, i was right.''

x12

if my mom didnt drop me on the head i would have totally whomped you

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl: