Camaro Reviews

[BigAls87Z28]

Today at 6pm, GM lifted the ban on all Camaro reviews.

This is a clip from MT

Your patience, boys and girls, has been rewarded. Big-time. In fact, let's just cut open the award envelope right now. The Oscar for Best Fulfillment of Ponycar Hopes & Dreams goes to...Chevrolet [standing ovation, cheers, applause, whoops and hollering, delirious tears]. "You like me! You like me! You like me!" Yes, reborn 2010 Camaro, we do. An awful lot. (Sorry, but we're going to plant the kiss on Halle Berry anyway.)


....The new Camaro excels by almost every objective and subjective measure: design, power, handling, efficiency, comfort, convenience, safety, and, perhaps most important of all, accessibility to the Camaro faithful.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0903_2010_chevrolet_camaro_test/index.html

MT knocked down a 13.0 @ 111mph. Apparently they swaped in a 2JZ.

[maroman88]

sounds like a car of the year award is in line already lol

[qwikz28]

1. Car and Driver
http://www.caranddriver.com/re..._test (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/corvette_camaro_corner/2010_chevrolet_camaro_ss_v8_short_take_road_test)

2. Motor Trend
http://www.motortrend.com/road....html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0903_2010_chevrolet_camaro_test/index.html)

3. Automobile
http://www.automobilemag.com/r....html (http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/0903_2010_chevrolet_camaro_ss/index.html)

4. Jalaopnik
http://jalopnik.com/5176993/20...drive (http://jalopnik.com/5176993/2010-chevy-camaro-first-drive)

5. Autoweek
http://www.autoweek.com/articl...09981 (http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090320/CARREVIEWS/903209981)

6. Autoblog
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/0...editi (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/20/autoline-on-autoblog-with-john-mcelroy-2010-chevy-camaro-editi)

7. Edmunds
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...el..1 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=144431?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 ).

[GP99GT]

13 flat at 111 :lol: was alex driving?

[KirkEvil]

I think I am more impressed with V6 model. That should run the mustang GT pretty close.

As for the V8, it should run faster trapping 111. They should also be 500 hp cars with full bolt ons which is ridiculous.

[HeadlessNorseman]

that ET is pretty bad for the amount of power it puts out. would have expected mid 12s out of it at least :( and what was that 2jz reference? I was going to say...what is it, a mk4 supra? massive trap speed and bad ET lol. If i bought one i would immediately get a huge exhaust for it, and modify some aftermarket headers to fit in there. wouldnt be a camaro without it :)

[LS1Hawk]

I like to read car magazines.

[12secondv6]

Camaro ss weighs 3859 lbs
Challenger rt weighs 4041 lbs

If the challenger is considered a boat, so is the camaro.

[qwikz28]

Camaro ss weighs 3859 lbs
Challenger rt weighs 4041 lbs

If the challenger is considered a boat, so is the camaro.

i think the challenger boat comments are mostly referred to its dimensions. I mean, 3800 pounds is not to far from the norm nowadays. i mean, considering the camaro has IRS and uses much better interior materials than the challenger, so it has alot working against it. I think the x-factor is the huge chassis its built on. But in any event, i hope it carries its weight well. I really look forward to getting my hands on a V6 and swapping in some SS suspension parts one of these days. That car really didn't strike a chord with me until very recently. It is having a HUGE impact on the automotive world. But, i still think the weight is what will keep it from being a serious competitor to cars like the 370z in terms of all out performance

[BigAls87Z28]

Camaro ss weighs 3859 lbs
Challenger rt weighs 4041 lbs

If the challenger is considered a boat, so is the camaro.

Its overall size AND weight is what makes it a boat. Its over 8 inches longer then the Camaro, under a foot compared to the Mustang.
Challenger is bigger then a 4th gen.
Its big.
Camaro also had 50 more hp to move that 200lbs less when compared to the RT, the closest Challenger to the Camaro SS.
The Challenger that can compare to the SS in performance is the 40k SRT8.


The new M3 is 3700lbs.
The G37 is 3700lbs.

The Genny coupe and the Mustang are the lightest vehicles in its class.

[Tsar]

My car is 26xxlbs :lol:

[qwikz28]

My car is 26xxlbs :lol:

thats why it's called mini :lol:

[BurninrubberGT]

the only car that can keep up with the camaro is the gxp

bout time gm has the top 2 affordable bang for the buck performance cars

[Tsar]

thats why it's called mini :lol:
Touche :lol:

[Knipps]

My car is 26xxlbs :lol:
Cobalt SS is only 300lbs away. Look at them side by side and you'd probably never guess

[Tsar]

Cobalt SS is only 300lbs away. Look at them side by side and you'd probably never guess
Actually I expect it to be that weight. It's a subcompact car.

[Iroc-z86]

little off topic but still new camaro related, Does it come in white???? i saw prototypes but dont see the option on the site.

[Tru2Chevy]

little off topic but still new camaro related, Does it come in white???? i saw prototypes but dont see the option on the site.

No, and although I like a lot of white 3rd / 4th gens, the 5th gen looks awful in white - JMHO.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

I thought there was an artic white?
I dunno why anyone would buy a white car....but thats me.

[Iroc-z86]

No, and although I like a lot of white 3rd / 4th gens, the 5th gen looks awful in white - JMHO.

- Justin

Yeah my IROC was originally white and when i get a job that doesnt suck i plan on painting it white again because it looks awesome.

as for the 5th gen, i was j/w because the web is a horrible representation of color and detail so just because it might look bad on the web but doesnt mean it is all that bad in person.

And btw there is nothing wrong with white cars, i have owned three so far and my moms truck is white with black accents and still looks great after 10 years and 170k miles :wink:

[maroman88]

i noticed there was no white as well.... and i love white/black themed cars lol... i could see a nice white ss/rs with tthhe black wheels, hockey/hood stripes.... sick

[Tru2Chevy]

Comparisons are out....

In a nutshell, the Challenger R/T is just too big and soft to hang with Mustang and Camaro when the road gets kinky; it's a Clydesdale compared with the two Thoroughbreds. The scales bear this out: The Challenger R/T presses down on the earth with 4154 lb, 295 more than the Camaro SS and a massive 582 more than the Mustang GT. Uncle Isaac Newton decrees there's simply no way this pony can gavotte like its rivals.

Motor Trend says Camaro SS 1st, Mustang GT Track Pack 2nd, Challenger R/T 3rd.

- Justin

[miketa95]

that v6 sounds too importy. the v8 is too quiet.

[HeadlessNorseman]

One thing that is cool is the aftermarket support is already there, as far as the engine goes. Does anyone remember the ls1 head/cam packages costing $6000 and stuf like that? the ls3 already has decent heads and a ton of displacement. Just needs some bolt ons and a good cam. Should make high 400 or even 500rwhp with just those parts.

[BonzoHansen]

Comparisons are out....



Motor Trend says Camaro SS 1st, Mustang GT Track Pack 2nd, Challenger R/T 3rd.

- Justin

I watched a Challenger SRT blow past me on 95 Saturday afternoon. Watching it change lanes was fun. It had lots of cool body roll. I'd say it handles like a 67 Chevelle with an off the shelf hotchkiss TVS setup.

[BigAls87Z28]

Durrrr...
Camaro FTW. There is a lot of talk of the numb steering on the Camaro.

[thunder]

when MT tested did their camparo how did the mustang out handle the camaro. the Mustang has a live rear axle while the camaro has a independent set up

[HeadlessNorseman]

when MT tested did their camparo how did the mustang out handle the camaro. the Mustang has a live rear axle while the camaro has a independent set up

Because live rear axle is FTW

[Tru2Chevy]

when MT tested did their camparo how did the mustang out handle the camaro. the Mustang has a live rear axle while the camaro has a independent set up

The Mustang tested had the Track Pack, supposedly that tightens the car up quite a bit. The Mustang is also a few hundred pounds lighter than the Camaro, and that helps too. The said clearly that the Mustang and Camaro are neck and neck on smooth pavement, but if there are any bumps / imperfections / etc, the Camaro stays rock solid, and the Mustang starts chasing it's own tail....

- Justin

[HeadlessNorseman]

I didnt realize/it wasnt pointed out they did a 13.0 on a freezing cold asphalt street! It probably does have mid-low 12s in it, of course with someone with a lot of practice behind the wheel. probably a good amount off the 0-60 as well. I demand a retest

[BigAls87Z28]

The Mustang's track package seems to be a well sorted unit, but its costly adn drives the cost of the GT to north of the 2SS pricing.
Think of Mustang's track package as turning it up to 11, while Camaro SS's is only turned up to 8 or 9.

[procamaroz28]

wow the v6 isnt bad at all...

[Frosty]

Because live rear axle is FTW

:werd: I couldn't stand the IRS in the 'vette.

[BonzoHansen]

Because live rear axle is FTW

In drag racing, not handling. Unless every track and road was smooth as glass.

[DaSkinnyGuy]

Yea so im suprised by how this looks.........8-)

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/DaSkinnyGuy/2010CAMAROREADY1.jpg

[thunder]

what benefits does a live rearaxle have in drag racing? i would imagine that it doesnt really matter so much

[BonzoHansen]

I'd think longevity and strength

[BigAls87Z28]

IRS had always had a problem of taking repeat beatings when compared to the live axle. The camaros IRS was designed for this specific purpose.

[qwikz28]

does camaro have electric steering?

[BigAls87Z28]

No, variable ratio hydraulic power steering directly from the Corvette. Pretty cool stuff.

[ws6 jim]

I thought there was an artic white?
I dunno why anyone would buy a white car....but thats me.

Originally I saw white on palette and it said interim availability. I wouldn't get white either.

[Slow-V6]

I might have to get me a nice RS!!

[thunder]

the v6 is sick but i already made the mistake of buying a V6 once. i need me a V8

[DevilDougWS6]

IRS sucks for drag.....especially with big torque, not sure how strong those halfshafts are....but they wont last long through hard launches.

that camaro daskinnyguy posted is SEXY! like the ZR1 almost.

[qwikz28]

No, variable ratio hydraulic power steering directly from the Corvette. Pretty cool stuff.

so whats with the numb steering claims?

[procamaroz28]

IRS sucks for drag.....especially with big torque, not sure how strong those halfshafts are....but they wont last long through hard launches.

that camaro daskinnyguy posted is SEXY! like the ZR1 almost.

i guess that means, just like 4th gens, its not gonna be long till we see solid 12 bolts and 9" upgrades availible

even most cobra owners toss out their irs

[DevilDougWS6]

probably, i wouldnt be surprised if moser and strange already has kits being worked on. maybe even a nice 4-link style....

someone has headers out already as well......

[DevilDougWS6]

here they are:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11353

[PlanDefeat]

This car is a beaut and everyones gonna want a piece of the pie, however i'm still a nobile fan of the 4th gen mentality. Over time parts have become cheap, nothing really too complicated or impossible when fixing it... I can't imagine the electronic and mechanical hell for modifying (all the damn airbags, braking system, independent rear axle L99 4 cyl shutdown) uhh I can see imagine how many people will mess with that on their own and fail miserably. Although changing spark plugs and wires will finally leave skin left on my hands and arms. Simply the 4th gens are definitely hands on when it comes to modifying, yes the interior is a little disgusting at times especially here looking at the new 5th gen but it was easy and fun to be stripped apart. Now that we got that over with... waiting on the trans-am lol

[Savage_Messiah]

This car is a beaut and everyones gonna want a piece of the pie, however i'm still a nobile fan of the 4th gen mentality. Over time parts have become cheap, nothing really too complicated or impossible when fixing it... I can't imagine the electronic and mechanical hell for modifying (all the damn airbags, braking system, independent rear axle L99 4 cyl shutdown) uhh I can see imagine how many people will mess with that on their own and fail miserably. Although changing spark plugs and wires will finally leave skin left on my hands and arms. Simply the 4th gens are definitely hands on when it comes to modifying, yes the interior is a little disgusting at times especially here looking at the new 5th gen but it was easy and fun to be stripped apart. Now that we got that over with... waiting on the trans-am lol

4th gens have airbags and brakes

there will be no trans am

[Knipps]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4309423.html

One more review to add to the list

[BonzoHansen]

4th gens have airbags and brakes

there will be no trans am



+1 I don’t see much there more complicated than a 4th gen. I'm not going to argue prices of new cars vs. 6-10 years old cars, that's irrelevant.

[BonzoHansen]

http://www.autoscraze.com/camaro-convertible-z28-postponed-indefinitely-by-gm.html

The Chevrolet Camaro convertible and Z28 high performance variant’s launch has been postponed for an unknown period of time by General Motors.

[HeadlessNorseman]

what benefits does a live rearaxle have in drag racing? i would imagine that it doesnt really matter so much

weight transfer. with theoretically unlimited grip, the factory 3rd gen torque arm/lower control arm design could put about 75% of the cars weight on the rear axle. The roll center design of the GNX was even better, you could theoretically get 100% weight transfer. Without a front/rear axis you cant get a whole lot of weight transfer. There are best of both worlds designs but nothing is better than a straight axle. And i dont mind the handling one bit. IRS has a huge advantage on bumpy roads and ride quality, and the fact that it can have other than 0 camber, but thats about it.

Edit: when it comes to street cars gear ratio and tires have a lot more to do with it than the suspension design

[BigAls87Z28]

IRS sucks for drag.....especially with big torque, not sure how strong those halfshafts are....but they wont last long through hard launches.

that camaro daskinnyguy posted is SEXY! like the ZR1 almost.

Rear end was designed to handle over 500hp, care of Holden who had plans to drop in, and do, LS7's.
The half shafts are staggerd in size, a designed they got from the ZR1 for added strength.

so whats with the numb steering claims?

Dunno. Very odd, I must say. Its one of the most disappointing things I keep hearing. I dont know what it is, an I hope its something that was just tied into preproduction cars, and that it might ahve had some last min tuning...lets hope.

i guess that means, just like 4th gens, its not gonna be long till we see solid 12 bolts and 9" upgrades availible

even most cobra owners toss out their irs

Cobra's IRS were band-aided in there. Take a 25 year old chassis, throw in old IRS design, and you have garbage.

This car is a beaut and everyones gonna want a piece of the pie, however i'm still a nobile fan of the 4th gen mentality. Over time parts have become cheap, nothing really too complicated or impossible when fixing it... I can't imagine the electronic and mechanical hell for modifying (all the damn airbags, braking system, independent rear axle L99 4 cyl shutdown) uhh I can see imagine how many people will mess with that on their own and fail miserably. Although changing spark plugs and wires will finally leave skin left on my hands and arms. Simply the 4th gens are definitely hands on when it comes to modifying, yes the interior is a little disgusting at times especially here looking at the new 5th gen but it was easy and fun to be stripped apart. Now that we got that over with... waiting on the trans-am lol


People said the same thing abotu the new fangled fuel injected, comptuer controled third gens. HOW ARE WE GUNNA HAVE A CAMARO WITHOUT LEAF SPRINGS RARRARARAR!??!!?
BTW, I have seen around the engine, and even with it being set bac in the bay, there is plenty of space to change plugs. Pass side is tight, but driver side is peeeeeeerfect.
4th gens were, for thel ongest time, very hard to work on. OBDII tuning was very hard to do, performance parts for LS1 cars were EXPENSIVE and people took them to places. Now its not nearly as expensive, and lots of people have started doing it themselves. Times changes, people become more comfortable, and then its common place. Hell, 15 years ago everyone was hopping up and making "chips" for cars. Now, you have to search high and low for someone to make GOOD custom chips for OBD1 cars.

http://www.autoscraze.com/camaro-convertible-z28-postponed-indefinitely-by-gm.html

The Chevrolet Camaro convertible and Z28 high performance variant’s launch has been postponed for an unknown period of time by General Motors.

Apparently they fixed the supplier issue, but Z28 has gone back to the drawing board to reconfigure it.

[BonzoHansen]

Yes, there are many other cars that get 29 mpg or close to it. Let's list a few: Honda Accord V6., Toyota Camry V6, Hyundai Sonata V6. None of those cars manage 304 horsepower. ( http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/autos/0904/gallery.chevrolet_camaro_review/index.html)