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[LTb1ow]

ABS,ASR,Airbags,Security and low oil lights are all on. :lol:

The only ones I care about are the ABS and airbags. I removed the ASR motor when I first went to burp the engine and all the lights came on, oops. So then I plugged it back in and I am now resetting the PCM. However, its just chilling next to my CAI and I would like to rid myself of it for good. I have read that you cannot delete ASR and still have ABS, but being as most cars don't have ASR I find that hard to believe. No way in hell GM made two different PCMs for auto cars or somehow managed to "lock" the ABS and ASR together.

Ideas? Comments? Concerns?

[madness410]

yeah i got a comment: dam dude that sucks...

[LTb1ow]

Its not really a problem, I mean ABS is useful in the snow but its spring. I just want to get things fixed so people don't think my car is a POS.

[sweetbmxrider]

we don't think that, we know that! i'm going to look into this though. i bet you need a different abs brain $$$$

[WildBillyT]

Its not really a problem, I mean ABS is useful in the snow but its spring. I just want to get things fixed so people don't think my car is a POS.

What? ABS is useful all year round!

[69BirdX]

I dont have ABS because of the rear but i wish i did

[98tadriver]

ABS ftw a few times for me

[LTb1ow]

Ok fine, but I don't tailgate in this car and for the most part am a stellar driver in it. That being said, any constructive ideas?

[69BirdX]

Abs would of saved me 6gs

[LTb1ow]

I give up.

[Knipps]

ABS ftw a few times for me
:werd:

fix the gd ABS

[LTb1ow]

:werd:

fix the gd ABS

That directed at me? Cause there isn't anything wrong with my friggen ABS except GM decided to tie ABS and ASR together for some reason.

[Knipps]

yes. if you think you're better than ABS you're an idiot.

[LTb1ow]

yes. if you think you're better than ABS you're an idiot.

Good god. Someone just delete the thread please?

[Knipps]

why because someone ruined your thread for once?

[LTb1ow]

Perhaps, but its not even a good thread ruining.

[Knipps]

they never are

http://homepages.nyu.edu/%7Ejag548/graphics/bunny_pancake.jpg

[LTb1ow]

Better.

[wretched73]

:horse:

[ar0ck]

I'm not sure about the last two, but back in the day in heavy rain my ABS & ASR lights would come on if the sensors got wet.

[LTb1ow]

No its not the system failing or anything, I deleted the ASR and when I went to start it forgot to plug in the ASR motor, so everything went to hell and it throws all the lights it can.

I have found that you can just splice the two leads together and the computer will be appeased. The problem is how to reset things...

[BonzoHansen]

Put your car back together correctly so people don't think your car is a POS. .

[LTb1ow]

Put your car back together correctly so people don't think your car is a POS. .

Thanks! Awesome advice!

Did you read the post right above yours?

[sweetbmxrider]

this was a success! fix it or die you pos!

[LTb1ow]

Yea. Fan-fuccking-tastic. Ugh.

[NJ346]

Time for the boat anchor to land in the ocean....:lol:

On a serious note:

I'm pretty sure GM DID make 2 different systems and you need ASR in order to keep your abs. This is because the ASR system uses 4 sensors where as the non asr uses 3 sensors for wheel speed. So pretty much, you need ASR to have ABS in an ASR equipped car. This is LS1 stuff, but I believe it's the same on the LT1 ASR.

[LTb1ow]

Yea, I am moving on from that idea of deleting the ASR. The game plan now is to fool the PCM into thinking it still has control of my gas pedal and just get the lights off and ABS back.


So lets try again.... how do I reset the PCM? I took off the battery for a few hours and it still all lit up...

[NJ346]

what year is your car again? I'll see if i can find something for you real quick.

Try this: Open hood, see the two fuse panels on the drivers side in the front. With the ignition on pull the two PCM fuses (one in each fuse box). Wait for 3 min., then shut off the ignition and replace the fuses. Start car! It will idle like **************** for about 5 min until the computer relearns it's air to fuel ratio's, good luck!

[LTb1ow]

1995

[NJ346]

Matt, I know this isn't likely, but put something on the brake peddle and then get to the back of the car and see if the 3rd brake light is on. If it's blown out, it will pop the abs inop light on.

[LTb1ow]

Yea but this all started AFTER I forgot to plug the ASR motor in and started the car.

[NJ346]

ok, this could very well be your problem since you were rewiring stuff. You could have accidentally removed a ground that just happens to be a ground for both the abs and airbags. http://www.soltan.net/pix/ground.jpg

[LTb1ow]

LOL nope. Like I said, all I did was unplug the harness for the ASR motor cause I moved it out of the way. I started the car, remembered that I unplugged it, and plugged it back in.

[NJ346]

LOL nope. Like I said, all I did was unplug the harness for the ASR motor cause I moved it out of the way. I started the car, remembered that I unplugged it, and plugged it back in.

You cleared the codes right?

[sweetbmxrider]

another who says fix the third :-P

[LTb1ow]

I can't clear codes, prob go visit Adam's shop again and see what the ****k the PCM is whining about.

[NJ346]

I can't clear codes, prob go visit Adam's shop again and see what the ****k the PCM is whining about.

well there's your problem. Clear the codes and it should be fine. Did you try pulling the pcm fuse like I stated a couple posts up?

[sweetbmxrider]

i have no idea what you are talking about :shifty:

[LTb1ow]

Yea I pulled the PCM fuse and left it for a few minutes still nada. And Adam, I stealz you naawwzz.

[NJ346]

Yea I pulled the PCM fuse and left it for a few minutes still nada. And Adam, I stealz you naawwzz.

or you could just go to advanced or autozone and not deal with adam??

[LTb1ow]

I could but I am helping him install his nitrous kit and or finish mine so its a bonus.

[sweetbmxrider]

:shifty: what nawzzzz yo?

[LTb1ow]

"My baby is bottle fed "

Oh I dunno....

[NJ346]

hmm...all this talk about nitrous....:twisted:

[sweetbmxrider]

dooooooo itttttt

[LTb1ow]

So upon further research, I have like two ABS units. Sweet.
http://www.pharmacy.arizona.edu/staff/wunz/NoABSTCS/tcsblock/tcsblock1.jpg

Thats a TCS controller. Coool.

[sweetbmxrider]

i thought it was going to be separate. freakin obdI cars. so its all good?

[LTb1ow]

LOL nope. Still gotta figure out how to make the computer stop whining.

[sweetbmxrider]

maybe pull the relay?

there is an electronic brake traction control module EBTCM as well as an EBCM, no traction.

DESCRIPTION
The ABS system is controlled by a microprocessor based Electronic Brake Control Module (EBCM). Inputs to the system include four wheel speed sensors, brakes, ignition switch and unswitched battery voltage. Outputs include three bi-directional motor controls, three lamp controls, two solenoid controls and the system enable relay. A serial data line, located in terminal 9 of the Data Link Connector (DLC), is provided for service diagnostic tools and assembly plant testing.

The EBCM monitors the speed of each wheel. If any wheel begins to approach lock-up and the brake switch is on, the EBCM controls the motors and solenoids to reduce brake pressure to the wheel approaching lock-up. Once the wheel regains traction, brake pressure is increased until wheel begins to approach lock-up. This cycle repeats until either vehicle comes to a stop, the brake is released or no wheels approach lock-up. Additionally, the EBCM monitors itself, each input and each output for proper operation. If any system fault is detected, the EBCM will store a DTC in nonvolatile memory.

On a EBTCM, the ABS portion of the module operates the same as a EBCM. A EBTCM is used if the vehicle is equipped with either the Enhanced Traction System (ETS) or Traction Control System (TCS). The ETS or TCS portion of the EBTCM monitors wheel spin slip through the drive wheels speed sensors. If the wheels begin to slip, the EBTCM determines the desired wheel torque needed to minimize wheel slip. This information is sent to the PCM through the Serial data link. On models equipped w/ETS, the PCM controls engine torque by ignition retard and transmission shifts. On models equipped w/TCS, the PCM controls engine torque by ignition retard, transmission shifts and applies brakes several times until the vehicle regains traction. Once the vehicle regains traction, brake pressure is decreased and engine torque reduction is no longer requested. This cycle repeats until traction control is no longer necessary.

sounds like fun for you!

[LTb1ow]

Aww whatttt theee fuuuuuuuuuuck GM.

God damn it.

[sweetbmxrider]

:D love it! there may be ways around it though, just something i found and thought was going on.

[LTb1ow]

Well I mean the actual part that bothers me is deletable. I guess I will talk to my tuner and see what he says. I can still just delete the codes, have the thing installed and be all good right?

[sweetbmxrider]

pretty sure the codes will come up again if the system runs a self test or tries to function and finds component parameters are not within spec, or missing :lol:

[LTb1ow]

Its just a motor, no sensors, and its still hooked up, just not to the cables. So the PCM shouldn't know any better.

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah one would think. delete the codes and see what happens.

[LTb1ow]

I really hope that is it, cause I am bound to skid across a road and hit a pole or some **** with my luck.

[LTb1ow]

So yea, no luck at all.

PCM did not want to play nice. Any ideas? Would not talk with the reader.

[NJ346]

So yea, no luck at all.

PCM did not want to play nice. Any ideas? Would not talk with the reader.

take the cluster out and put electrical tape over the lights that are lit:nod:. Maybe take it to a dealer to see if their GM scanner can read the computer or just have them reflash it?

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah it was weird. read fine on my car, wouldn't read matts. same exact setup except no tcs on mine. matt had his motor out. i dono i wish i could get my hands on a gm tech 2 scanner.

[LTb1ow]

I will call trifecta tmmr, I mean I doubt they "lock" the PCM but never know.

[sweetbmxrider]

i thought i pulled an engine code? yeah remember because the a/c is gone it had a refrigerant pressure code or something like that

[LTb1ow]

Hm yea, stupid thing.. idk.

[sweetbmxrider]

well i posted a thread on ls1tech. see what comes up

[LTb1ow]

Yea, I am thinking low voltage, and the motor missing.