Fram Oil Filters ftl!

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Whatever you do please do not run these filters...Started to do some searches over on LS1tech and found out these filters flow 1/2 the volume needed for our cars. For whoever didnt know about my problem the car would tap violently as soon as it warmed up. GF's friend did an oil change w/ amsoil race oil & a amsoil filter tonight and the tap is no longer. Car sounds better then it ever has, even in park/idle. Drove it 45 mins home on 295 and she runs like a top...Here im thinking it was going to be some huge repair...amsoil has a customer for life :nod:

[NJ Torque]

Congrats!

[BigRed]

i have a fram right now and haven't had any problems yet

[NastyEllEssWon]

ac delco ftw

[EODMonkey]

everything in mine is royal purple, including the filter. i mean hell its a purple filter!

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Yes for a cheaper filter ac delco is supposedly one of the best. Chris should be coming to see you shortly now that I got this 800 pd. gorilla off my back:nod:

[Triple-A]

I used AmsOil filters twice and newer going to use it aging. Both times had to punch it trough with screwdriver to get it off. (Lubed the seal and tightened it by hand both times)
AmsOil oil is ok but I'm personally like RP.

[EchoMirage]

read this for some very interesting info

http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/reference.html

[91DropTop]

ac delco ftw

+1 all i use is delco oil filters

[1QWIKBIRD]

everything in mine is royal purple, including the filter. i mean hell its a purple filter!

Evidently Royal Purple is not all its cracked up to be either. Here's a good discussion over on planetlsx.....

http://www.planetlsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1300

I was used to run RP until reading this thread and my own UOA confirmed what is being said. There are better oils for less cash.....

Oil is like religion, to each their own.......

Chris

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Evidently Royal Purple is not all its cracked up to be either. Here's a good discussion over on planetlsx.....

http://www.planetlsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1300

I was used to run RP until reading this thread and my own UOA confirmed what is being said. There are better oils for less cash.....

Oil is like religion, to each their own.......

Chris

yea i read some negative stuff about royal purple also on ls1tech.

[1QWIKBIRD]

read this for some very interesting info

http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/reference.html

That's a pretty good read with some surprises and confirmed what we all kinda knew. There aren't 500 oil filter manufacturers, only about half a dozen. Still good info though.

[91chevywt]

Fram oil filters are the worst filters made for the money. Quality in the past was ok, but by todays standards they are just bad. They are $3-$4 filters that are constructed like dollar store filters. I have stopped using them and use Napa Gold filters which are made by Wix.

Heres a nice oil filter study so you can see what I mean.
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

[LTb1ow]

Wix filters and RP.

Although after reading that post on PlanetLsx I am eh about the RP. Ah well.

[deadtrend1]

I use NAPA filters (Wix actually)

[KirkEvil]

I use k&n filters and royal purple. Ive never really had a problem with rp other than the pressure dropping when the engine is really hot. This seems pretty consistent with the claims on that PLSX thread of rp thinning out after about 2k miles...maybe its time for a change

[Tru2Chevy]

I am running Napa Gold filters and Pennzoil Platinum oil in everything but the lawnmower these days...

- Justin

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah wix is the way to go. never liked fram. if you have to advertise a lot to sell your product, there is probably a reason why. i like group 7 purolator filters too. almost never have a problem with them, other than the sizes changing :-x

[GP99GT]

another +1 for WIX, and i use motorcraft on the ferd

[procamaroz28]

dam thats good to know... i hope other filters have the sure grip cause that is useful... or ill jus use rubber gloves

[NastyEllEssWon]

invest in a cheap filter wrench :nod:

[procamaroz28]

invest in a cheap filter wrench :nod:

eh ill still just do it by hand its easier and i dont have to bother putting away an extra tool...

[91chevywt]

invest in a cheap filter wrench :nod:

Filter sockets are awesome...theyre so cheap too

[WildBillyT]

I use K&N filters. Expensive but worth it IMO. 1" filter nut FTW.

[Teds89IROC]

another +1 for WIX, and i use motorcraft on the ferd

:stupid:

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Funny I was talking to the guy that I bought the car from on another board and he now has a LQ4 LSX motor and it starting tapping as well. Come to find out he used a Fram filter his last oil change as well.

[Scrat's_Camaro]

christ wasnt there a recent test and a thread sayin that RP was great? im gonna just use amsoil in the show truck and pennzoil platnium in the car

[NastyEllEssWon]

christ wasnt there a recent test and a thread sayin that RP was great? im gonna just use amsoil in the show truck and pennzoil platnium in the car




pennzoil is good if you like metal shavings and water in your oil

[Scrat's_Camaro]

wtf, amsoil all the way then lol

[Tsar]

christ wasnt there a recent test and a thread sayin that RP was great? im gonna just use amsoil in the show truck and pennzoil platnium in the car

pennzoil is good if you like metal shavings and water in your oil

wtf, amsoil all the way then lol

Someone should make an oil thread debate and watch it go downhill, fast. :lol:

[WildBillyT]

Someone should make an oil thread debate and watch it go downhill, fast. :lol:

F that. I'll lock it out of general principle. I think one of those has plagued every automotive message board on the Internet at one point, and has changed 0 opinions.

[LTb1ow]

Sooo I should resist the urge to make one with a poll?

[sweetbmxrider]

we kinda had one before with mobil 1. just go to bobistheoilguy.com and learn something, FROM EXPERTS!!!!!

[88Z-Man]

Hmm, been using Fram filters for 20 years on all types of cars with no problems.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Hmm, been using Fram filters for 20 years on all types of cars with no problems.

Post was in regards to Ls1's. Never said they sucked for other cars.

[JL8Jeff]

Post was in regards to Ls1's. Never said they sucked for other cars.

But do you have real proof they suck on LS1 cars? Different oil will cause the piston slap noise more than the filter will so you're making some big assumptions. It's really a personal preference when it comes to oil and filters just like headers and exhaust.

[Tsar]

But do you have real proof they suck on LS1 cars? Different oil will cause the piston slap noise more than the filter will so you're making some big assumptions. It's really a personal preference when it comes to oil and filters just like headers and exhaust.

How about a review that they just generally suck?

This filter cartridge has a small outside diameter with a rather low filter element surface area (193 sqin), and features cardboard end caps that are bonded in place using a thermal adhesive. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals the rough metal backplate to the cardboard end cap. In practice these seem to leak, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. If you use this filter and have a noisy valve train at startup, the filter is likely the cause. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak when they should be closed. The backplate has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow.

Fram High Mileage HM8A

This is another trendy Fram filter. I don't see the Double Guard around anymore, as the Teflon craze has long gone out of style. The new trend in oil lately are these "high mileage" oils. It seems that Fram didn't want to be left out. This filter is a regular Fram Extra Guard filter with a plastic cartridge suspended inside the inner tube filled with some sort of goo. It is supposed to help those high mileage engines. The goo cartridge is on the clean side of the filter and is blocking the filter outlet. The oil can get around the cartridge, but it has to pass between it and the core tube which is a small gap. I don't know how long it takes for the goo to dissolve and I'd be concerned that it could exit the filter in a big glob. That could cause all kind of problems if an oil passage became blocked by this stuff. Even after the goo dissolves, the plastic cartridge will continue to block the oil flow exiting the filter. This may not be a problem for Fram however, since they employ such small oil inlet holes in the first place.

Leave the lubrication to the oil companies and the filtering to the filter companies.

And here is a letter from the production engineer from there.
ussell,
I obtained great satisfaction from reading your oil filter survey.

I worked for two years as the oil-filter production line engineer in
an Allied-Signal FRAM facility and I can confirm every bad thing you
have said about FRAM automotive filters. That's from the horse's
mouth, as it were.

I'm also a quality engineer and can confirm that FRAM applies no
quality control whatsoever to any of the characteristics for which we
buy oil filters. I frequently saw filter designs which were barely
capable of meeting J806. Many of FRAM's designs will block and go to
bypass after trying to filter very little contamination. There were
often leakage paths at the paper end discs when these were not
properly centered on the elements. Some designs had the pleats so
tightly packed against the center tube that they would block off in no
time. I had discovered that the FRAM HP1 that I had been buying for
about $20 Cdn was EXACTLY the same as a PH8 inside - the only
difference being a heavier can - no advantages in flow capacity. The
paper filtration media was of apparently poor quality and the process
of curing the paper resin was very inconsistent - elements would range
from visibly burnt to white. FRAM's marketers admitted that there was
just about no way the public could ever prove that an oil filter
contributed, or did not prevent, engine damage. The only thing FRAM
tested for was can burst strength. Another problem that they have from
time to time is in threading the filter base - often there are strands
of metal left behind on a poorly formed thread.

I have not used a FRAM filter since I started working there. Their
claims are entirely and completely marketing ********.

If people really want to protect their engines, a good air filter is
vital (which excludes FRAM from that list as well) and a combination
of one depth and one full-flow hydraulic filter, together in parallel,
will do the job of filtration to perfection.

Thanks for doing a great job in trying to get the truth out! You can
quote me anytime.

[name omitted to protect submitter]


http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/reference.html#fram

I've never used their stuff, and never will - simply because I have not heard one person say that they make a decent filter, before I made up my opinion.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

But do you have real proof they suck on LS1 cars? Different oil will cause the piston slap noise more than the filter will so you're making some big assumptions. It's really a personal preference when it comes to oil and filters just like headers and exhaust.

I found several posts on ls1tech w/ guys having the same problem along w/ tests showing there flowrate...and like I said previously the guy that I bought my car from recently started to have the same problem on his LSX after using a Fram...The best proof imo is the one you see with your own eyes. If listed isnt enough then im not sure what is. Nor am I nieve enough to believe that it will happen on every LS1.

[91chevywt]

Fram spends more money on advertising than anything...making you believe they are good filters. In reality they have a small amount of filter media as compared to everyone else, and quality control is a big issue. I bought them because they were convienient and I thought they were good, then I started doing some research and found out they are basically the worst filter you can buy. I'm sure they were good in the past, but you know how things go when the wrong guys get in charge...trying to squeeze every penny out of the operation.

[WildBillyT]

Fram spends more money on advertising than anything...making you believe they are good filters. In reality they have a small amount of filter media as compared to everyone else, and quality control is a big issue. I bought them because they were convienient and I thought they were good, then I started doing some research and found out they are basically the worst filter you can buy. I'm sure they were good in the past, but you know how things go when the wrong guys get in charge...trying to squeeze every penny out of the operation.

I'd guess that that's it as well. Bean counters cutting the balls off of something that was once great. If you really want to puke regarding that stuff, look up the Melling oil pump debacle.

The important thing to keep in mind is that we are all talking about a performace application. Yeah, the filters aren't great for that (I had a weird minor OP flutter problem in the GP that went away when I went K&N) but they are good for somebody who just needs a filter to keep their low performance 30psi at WOT DD on the road. Not everybody wants to pay for a filter that's overkill for the application.

[BonzoHansen]

Fram use to be the best. Oh well. Some of this could also be application specific.

I try to use dealer filters when possible. OE parts work.

[JL8Jeff]

But my point is, have you ever had an engine failure because you use Fram filters? Most likely no, so all the reading and "testing" doesn't truly validate your claims. I personally never liked Fram and always went with NAPA, AC Delco or Mobil 1 filters but I have never lost an engine either so I can't say anything bad about them. I have used Fram on occasion and did not lose the engine so I can't claim it's a bad filter. I have watched somebody wipe out a cam when they switched brands of oil so I would be more worried about the oil. Any part can have a defect which could lead to failure so don't jump to conclusions is my point.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

But my point is, have you ever had an engine failure because you use Fram filters? Most likely no, so all the reading and "testing" doesn't truly validate your claims. I personally never liked Fram and always went with NAPA, AC Delco or Mobil 1 filters but I have never lost an engine either so I can't say anything bad about them. I have used Fram on occasion and did not lose the engine so I can't claim it's a bad filter. I have watched somebody wipe out a cam when they switched brands of oil so I would be more worried about the oil. Any part can have a defect which could lead to failure so don't jump to conclusions is my point.

Not exactly sure what your getting at all. I can tell you that a loud tap coming from your motor isnt good and could possibly lead to furthur problems. Does an engine need to fail for there filters to be garbage? Do a quick google search w/ fram filters and engine failure and you might find something lol.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/general-maintenance-repairs/47836-why-fram-oil-filter-so-bad.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fram+oil+filters+bad&aq=8&oq=fram+oil+filters

[Tsar]

But my point is, have you ever had an engine failure because you use Fram filters? Most likely no, so all the reading and "testing" doesn't truly validate your claims. I personally never liked Fram and always went with NAPA, AC Delco or Mobil 1 filters but I have never lost an engine either so I can't say anything bad about them. I have used Fram on occasion and did not lose the engine so I can't claim it's a bad filter. I have watched somebody wipe out a cam when they switched brands of oil so I would be more worried about the oil. Any part can have a defect which could lead to failure so don't jump to conclusions is my point.

I don't believe that I have ever used a Fram filter, I didn't do so because of my belief that it's an inferior product. My belief comes from reading about other peoples experience and forming my opinion on that. Why would I put that, what I belief is an inferior product, on my car? I would rather read and learn on other people's mistakes than jeopardize my own car.

You claim, or at least it looks like you're, that to have an opinion about an oil filter one must first lose an engine to conclude that the filter is bad/inferior is asinine, IMO. If you believe that, and you believe that all filters are equal until one messes up our engine then so be it. However I'm not one of those people. :shrug:

[91chevywt]

If an oil filter fails it generally doesn't wipe out an engine...the filter is bypassed and the engine just uses unfiltered oil. If anything it shortens the life of an engine, but failure is a possibility. There was a period in time where the small block chevy didn't have an oil filter, and the filter was added for obvious reasons. I'm sure if an engine is damaged Fram would get their large legal team together and blame it on something else.

[JL8Jeff]

Not exactly sure what your getting at all. I can tell you that a loud tap coming from your motor isnt good and could possibly lead to furthur problems. Does an engine need to fail for there filters to be garbage? Do a quick google search w/ fram filters and engine failure and you might find something lol.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/general-maintenance-repairs/47836-why-fram-oil-filter-so-bad.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fram+oil+filters+bad&aq=8&oq=fram+oil+filters

I don't believe that I have ever used a Fram filter, I didn't do so because of my belief that it's an inferior product. My belief comes from reading about other peoples experience and forming my opinion on that. Why would I put that, what I belief is an inferior product, on my car? I would rather read and learn on other people's mistakes than jeopardize my own car.

You claim, or at least it looks like you're, that to have an opinion about an oil filter one must first lose an engine to conclude that the filter is bad/inferior is asinine, IMO. If you believe that, and you believe that all filters are equal until one messes up our engine then so be it. However I'm not one of those people. :shrug:

So if I posted that using Exxon gasoline will cause you to lose and engine because it's cheap gas and will cause your pistons to sieze you would never use Exxon then? My point is that you can't claim stuff without your own proof. Reading what someone has posted on the web is definitely helpful for you to make decision's but you can't claim those conclusions yourself.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

So if I posted that using Exxon gasoline will cause you to lose and engine because it's cheap gas and will cause your pistons to sieze you would never use Exxon then? My point is that you can't claim stuff without your own proof. Reading what someone has posted on the web is definitely helpful for you to make decision's but you can't claim those conclusions yourself.
Hmm...what are you missing here lol? MYcar was tapping. The mechanic that did the change on my car said it was the cause.

[JL8Jeff]

Hmm...what are you missing here lol? MYcar was tapping. The mechanic that did the change on my car said it was the cause.

I understand that, but all LS1's tap with the piston slap. I've seen LS1's with 180K miles on them with the piston slap their whole life and no engine failure.

[WildBillyT]

I understand that, but all LS1's tap with the piston slap. I've seen LS1's with 180K miles on them with the piston slap their whole life and no engine failure.

Footnote: Many of GM's motors with hyper pistons do that. Not just the LS1. My dad's pickup sounds like a diesel at startup.

[Tsar]

So if I posted that using Exxon gasoline will cause you to lose and engine because it's cheap gas and will cause your pistons to sieze you would never use Exxon then? My point is that you can't claim stuff without your own proof. Reading what someone has posted on the web is definitely helpful for you to make decision's but you can't claim those conclusions yourself.

If just one person posted it on the internet, I would not stay away from Exxon. I would attribute it to bad luck most likely. If, for example, 100 thousand people posted that they have been having problems with Exxon gas then yea I would stay away without taking a chance of damaging my car. Seems logical to me. :shrug:

[Mike]

Hmm...what are you missing here lol? MYcar was tapping. The mechanic that did the change on my car said it was the cause.

yeah but you changed brands of oil at the same time as changing brands of filter. so how do you know which was the cause of your problem? could just have easily been the oil.

the tapping could still be there but the quality amsoil oil is reducing it to the point you cant hear it........who knows

[Tsar]

I made a quick googly moogly for Fram oil filters and:

After 2000 miles.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/Kingvitali/DSC02420.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/Kingvitali/DSC02419.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/Kingvitali/DSC02417.jpg

Sorry but my OEM filter looked much more pristine after 2000 miles of use. And there was no cardboard either.

[JL8Jeff]

If just one person posted it on the internet, I would not stay away from Exxon. I would attribute it to bad luck most likely. If, for example, 100 thousand people posted that they have been having problems with Exxon gas then yea I would stay away without taking a chance of damaging my car. Seems logical to me. :shrug:

That's what chain emails were designed for! :wink:

-

[Mike]

ick.......ill stick to wix

[LTb1ow]

Wix ftw.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

yeah but you changed brands of oil at the same time as changing brands of filter. so how do you know which was the cause of your problem? could just have easily been the oil.

the tapping could still be there but the quality amsoil oil is reducing it to the point you cant hear it........who knows
I was running pennzoil platinum w/ the fram...its one of the best oils out...and because it didnt start doing it until after the oil change....the engine only had a few hundred miles on it after it was put back together...in which all parts were checked in doing so. Im not going to continue to argue the point...Ive only owned 5 4th gens and have no clue :lol:

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

I understand that, but all LS1's tap with the piston slap. I've seen LS1's with 180K miles on them with the piston slap their whole life and no engine failure.

Ive been in this game awhile im well aware of the difference in LS1 piston slap and a tap/tick on the engine...they sound nothing alike.

[Mike]

I was running pennzoil platinum w/ the fram...its one of the best oils out...and because it didnt start doing it until after the oil change....the engine only had a few hundred miles on it after it was put back together...in which all parts were checked in doing so. Im not going to continue to argue the point...Ive only owned 5 4th gens and have no clue :lol:

so your saying i have no clue either with that sarcasm? i was simply pointing out another fact and another variable, i didnt say **** about the filter being any good

[NastyEllEssWon]

I was running pennzoil platinum w/ the fram...its one of the best oils out...and because it didnt start doing it until after the oil change....the engine only had a few hundred miles on it after it was put back together...in which all parts were checked in doing so. Im not going to continue to argue the point...Ive only owned 5 4th gens and have no clue :lol:






find me prooof that pennzoil synthetic is good. ive never had any luck with pennzoil

[BonzoHansen]

What bad luck have you had with pennzoil?

[LTb1ow]

pennzoil is good if you like metal shavings and water in your oil

Prob something along those lines.

[BonzoHansen]

Yup, I bet the pennzoil did it. :rolleyes:

[WildBillyT]

Prob something along those lines.

Oil typically has control over your cooling system. You know that.

[Tsar]

So the great oil debate starts.. which is better?




:popcorn:

[LTb1ow]

Oil typically has control over your cooling system. You know that.

Que?

Cooling system controls oil pressure to an extent.... but huh?

[WildBillyT]

Que?

Cooling system controls oil pressure to an extent.... but huh?

I'm being a douche. As stated, the great oil debate is starting.

[LTb1ow]

HD40 ftmfw.

[Mike]

wawa brand ftmfw

[LTb1ow]

Pft
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HFyZ83mF6BM/SMnSr0cQoCI/AAAAAAAAALs/lrw0Q-K8I5Q/S700/Shell+Rotella+T+SAE+15W-40.JPG

[BigAls87Z28]

I always heard that Pennsoil has a decent amount of parafin wax? I always stayed away form Penn.
Ive only recently started using valvoline high milage on the caprice recently. I did notice, oddly enough, a smoother idling car. I was given some oil after Sears switched form Castrol to Valvoline, and was impressed. So when we have the 5 qts and filter with teh HM Valvoline.
Problem is, the filter is a Fram Tough Guard. I saw that it got decent ratings, but I miss my PureONE filters.

[NastyEllEssWon]

meh ive noticed that a lot of pennzoil ive drained out of cars looks horrible compared to most other brands ive seen. i cant quote scientific facts just the fact that ive seen all types of garbage drain out of motors that was ran on pennzoil for a length of time.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

so your saying i have no clue either with that sarcasm? i was simply pointing out another fact and another variable, i didnt say **** about the filter being any good

Relax I did nothing of the sort, nor was anything directed towards you. Just seems like we have a few people playing devils advocate over here for the hell of it lol. The mechanic told me thats what caused it after he inspected the filter. He's been the first out of 4 mechanics to figure the problem out. I think hes good and have no reason to question his diagnosis. As for the pennzoil platinum it seems to be right up there in tests w/ amsoil. Think I have the chart over in the sponsors section under js's "amsoil now avail." post.

[91chevywt]

Pennzoil Platinum is totally different than regular old pennzoil. Anyone who trashes it should know what they are talking about before they throw it under the bus. It is a fully synthetic motor oil. It meets new car standards for VW, Porsche, Honda/Acura, and BMW. It is not the regular old $.99/quart pennzoil you would get at wal-mart. It's actually pretty pricey. Even regular pennzoil should be fine for an every day car. Just because its not purple doesn't mean its crap. If you get your oil changed at a shop, the shop oil is usually something along the lines of pennzoil 10w30 or quaker state. And those cars will absolutely run just fine for a long time.

Also, just because an oil looks dirtier when it comes out of the crankcase does not mean it is a bad oil...it means it was doing its job. Color only shows the amount of dirt that has been trapped in the oil. The only thing color is good for is showing whether the oil is new or used.

[LTb1ow]

Pennzoil Platinum is totally different than regular old pennzoil. Anyone who trashes it should know what they are talking about before they throw it under the bus. It is a fully synthetic motor oil. It meets new car standards for VW, Porsche, Honda/Acura, and BMW. It is not the regular old $.99/quart pennzoil you would get at wal-mart. It's actually pretty pricey. Even regular pennzoil should be fine for an every day car. Just because its not purple doesn't mean its crap. If you get your oil changed at a shop, the shop oil is usually something along the lines of pennzoil 10w30 or quaker state. And those cars will absolutely run just fine for a long time.

Also, just because an oil looks dirtier when it comes out of the crankcase does not mean it is a bad oil...it means it was doing its job. Color only shows the amount of dirt that has been trapped in the oil. The only thing color is good for is showing whether the oil is new or used.

Lies. All lies. Purple oil FTW.


Now if Al gets me some green oil, I may change my mind. :rofl:

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Lies. All lies. Purple oil FTW.


Now if Al gets me some green oil, I may change my mind. :rofl:

lol....:lol:

[sweetbmxrider]

bobistheoilguy.com

[The_Bishop]

Pennzoil Platinum and Wix filters.

[Tsar]

I think Super Tech oil that one can buy in Wal Mart is the best. I've used it in all my previous cars.

[NastyEllEssWon]

I think Super Tech oil that one can buy in Wal Mart is the best. I've used it in all my previous cars.






refined oil ftl

[Tsar]

refined oil ftl
show me proof that its bad

[WildBillyT]

refined oil ftl

Huh? Do you use crude in your engine?

[Tsar]

Huh? Do you use crude in your engine?
Hey maybe he's one of those ESL people, and used a different word accidentally :lol:

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

I think Super Tech oil that one can buy in Wal Mart is the best. I've used it in all my previous cars.

Found a interesting post on that...food for though :lol:

http://www.rateitall.com/i-218610-wal-mart-super-tech-motor-oil.aspx

[Tsar]

Found a interesting post on that...food for though :lol:

http://www.rateitall.com/i-218610-wal-mart-super-tech-motor-oil.aspx
See, the people agree with me! SuperTech for everyone, forever!

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

See, the people agree with me! SuperTech for everyone, forever!

lol, a couple of the guys there say its debaged pennzoil platinum...

[Tsar]

Oh snaps! The plot thickens!

[91chevywt]

lol, a couple of the guys there say its debaged pennzoil platinum...

not platinum, just pennzoil.

[sweetbmxrider]

opinions matter when it comes to technical stuff

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

91chevywt u missed this :)

I was told by Tech Support at Royal Dutch Shell Corporation, (the makers of Quaker State, Pennzoil, and Rotella engine lubricants) that the Walmart brand of full synthetic oil (that is bottled by Warren Packaging Co. for Walmart), is supplied to Warren by Royal Dutch Shell, and is virtually "identical" to Pennzoil Platinum.
I have used Pennzoil Platimum with excellent results. Shell has always made excellent lubricants, ask any truckers or heavy equipment operators who use Rotella, they consider it the "standard".

Also... In my part of the country most of the other versions of Walmart regular engine oil is supplied to Warren by Exxon. :rofl:.......

[WildBillyT]

Just because it's "made" or "blended" by a big parent company that doesn't mean that it's the same thing. People jump to conclusions about this **** all of the time.

[NastyEllEssWon]

supertech oil is old oil drained from walmarts tire and lube express, sent back to the manufacturer where it is then refined into what you get in the bottle. :nod:

[WildBillyT]

supertech oil is old oil drained from walmarts tire and lube express, sent back to the manufacturer where it is then refined into what you get in the bottle. :nod:

I am aware of this. I was busting balls because it's re-refined oil.

Like so: http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/usedoil/ReRefined/

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Think we all were lol. Its a pretty cool idea if you think about it. Im just not putting it into a high performance car.

[Tsar]

But recycled oil is just as good as new oil. Its like recycled water at the car wash, its great!

[NastyEllEssWon]

But recycled oil is just as good as new oil. Its like recycled water at the car wash, its great!






i can see why your car didnt work :rofl:

[sweetbmxrider]

Im just not putting it into a high performance car.

:-?

But recycled oil is just as good as new oil. Its like recycled water at the car wash, its great!

EPA regulated actually. also the filters are huge and filter down to like .0010 or something like that.

[Tsar]

i can see why your car didnt work :rofl:

Ohh gee, you were able to figure out why my car broke down! Pure genius!

[NastyEllEssWon]

Ohh gee, you were able to figure out why my car broke down! Pure genius!




well if you really use supertech in any of your vehicles then i wouldnt be surprised to find that one of your cars wasnt in running shape

[Tsar]

well if you really use supertech in any of your vehicles then i wouldnt be surprised to find that one of your cars wasnt in running shape

Well actually no I did not use SuperTech, not once. I was trying to spark up an almighty oil debate. I thought it was pretty evident, I guess I should have picked a better candidate.

[NastyEllEssWon]

meh i just took you for the supertech using type

[Tsar]

meh i just took you for the supertech using type

:cry:

[NastyEllEssWon]

:cry:




dont cry! cant get the optispark wet 8-)

[Tsar]

dont cry! cant get the optispark wet 8-)

:lol: I sold it, so I can cry all I want now!

[JL8Jeff]

Laugh or cry all you want about oil but I ran Pro Line 20W50 in one of my beat old Toyota 4Runners and never had a problem with it. I have no idea who makes that oil but it served the purpose.

The OP made a good post about what he thinks fixed his tapping noise and we should all post up about a possible solution to our tech questions and follow up research. We can disagree about what we think is the best oil, oil filter, air filter, spark plugs, spark plug wires, coils, headers, exhaust system, tires, muffler bearings. But personal experiences with certain products are worth asking about and posting your own results. I have no problem with opinions, but real world experience carries more weight for most people. :usa:

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[cdacda13]

I've never had a problem with Fram oil filters, I've used them on my trucks and f-bodies without a problem.
I agree with BigAl, Vavoline High Mileage oil is great.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

I have no problem with opinions, but real world experience carries more weight for most people. :usa:

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Couldnt agree more :nod:

[BigAls87Z28]

I agree. If it works for you, then keep it. I have always stayed away from regular Fram filters, so I make sure that I get the tough guard (the better one) when they offer the valvoline HM oil deal.