planetlsx tests the new camaro

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Well finally someone other then a magazine testing it. Video included

http://www.planetlsx.com/news/Drag_Test__2010_Camaro_SS/74


Numbers dont look much different then the LS1 Camaros. Weights a killer.

[BonzoHansen]

"Those rear tires on the Camaro are nearly 29" tall, and look very heavy. "

that's a damn truck tire.

[miketa95]

now their saying a 13.51?

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

now their saying a 13.51?

Thats what they actually ran...Those mag. times were all so similar it sounds like they just got a number from GM and posted it.

[Whiplash Performance]

That camaro is running the same as an ls2 GTO in stock trim.

[BigAls87Z28]

Wow...they suck!
More then a half a second slower then Hot Rod mag.

[Tru2Chevy]

Wow...they suck!
More then a half a second slower then Hot Rod mag.

They said they were hot lapping it, and expected it to pick up about 1/2 second with a proper cool down.

- Justin

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

They said they were hot lapping it, and expected it to pick up about 1/2 second with a proper cool down.

- Justin

Yea but ive seen ls1's hot lap and keep running better and better...W/ the modern tech. the car should be less effected by heat.

[Tru2Chevy]

Yea but ive seen ls1's hot lap and keep running better and better...W/ the modern tech. the car should be less effected by heat.

What modern technology would make the car run faster the hotter it got?

- Justin

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

What modern technology would make the car run faster the hotter it got?

- Justin

I didnt mean it like that. I meant ive seen ls1's run faster each run hot laping. LS1's ran better then Lt1s in heat...

[BonzoHansen]

What modern technology would make the car run faster the hotter it got?

- Justin

Air conditioning

[Mike]

hot lapping is bad

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Air conditioning

Your funny....I almost fell outta my chair.



What i meant was that the newer motors always seem to be less susceptible to heat through the improved technology of the engine

[Tru2Chevy]

I didnt mean it like that. I meant ive seen ls1's run faster each run hot laping. LS1's ran better then Lt1s in heat...

I've seen plenty of LS1s go slower and slower as they were hot lapped. What modern technology do you know of that would make LS engines run faster when they are hot lapped?

- Justin

[NastyEllEssWon]

maybe the airbox location on the camaro could be helping with the heat?

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

I've seen plenty of LS1s go slower and slower as they were hot lapped. What modern technology do you know of that would make LS engines run faster when they are hot lapped?

- Justin

Ive owned both and the LT1 intake would be scorching hot after 2 runs...when the LS1 would be cool.

[Knipps]

That didn't answer the question asked.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Overall technology of the motor...sorry not a GM engineer can pinpoint it for you.

[Knipps]

But how would something being under worse conditions make it perform better? That was the question.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

But how would something being under worse conditions make it perform better? That was the question.

lol....im done here....

[LTb1ow]

Ive owned both and the LT1 intake would be scorching hot after 2 runs...when the LS1 would be cool.

Hmmn theres a tricky one, guesss only a GM engineer could tell ya aluminum transfers heat better than plastic.... :-?

[Teds89IROC]

I've seen plenty of LS1s go slower and slower as they were hot lapped. What modern technology do you know of that would make LS engines run faster when they are hot lapped?

- Justin

hopes and dreams?

[Formulalt1]

I didnt mean it like that. I meant ive seen ls1's run faster each run hot laping. LS1's ran better then Lt1s in heat...
If this was technology based I would have thought it would have been the opposite considering one of those engine is reverse cooled, choosing to cool the heads prior to the block but eh the more runs you get in without a cool down period the hotter its going to get til it levels off.

[69BirdX]

a propeprly warmed engine runs better then a cold engine.........but hot lapping it isnt going to help times. But im sure the fans a air flow to radiator are better on the new camaro then fourth gens. I think they just needed a better driver.

If this was technology based I would have thought it would have been the opposite considering one of those engine is reverse cooled, choosing to cool the heads prior to the block but eh the more runs you get in without a cool down period the hotter its going to get til it levels off.

The reverse cooling didnt work on the LT1 the way they wanted it to.

[Formulalt1]

The reverse cooling didnt work on the LT1 the way they wanted it to.

As in how? cause everything I read stated that the only reason the LT1 was able to run the compression it was able to run on 87 octane fuel was due to it using reverse flow cooling and I also remember the early brochures and GM material prior to the LS1 hitting the floors stating it would too use reverse flow cooling but due to a patent lawsuit GM was no longer allowed to use this type of cooling in any of its engines, so it changed its design to a standard flow cooling system prior to the LS1 hitting the showroom floor.

[69BirdX]

The Lt1 had to many problems with ait bubbles being trapped casuing hot spots. It also Inneficiently cooled one head more the the other. This causing the motor more likely to have head gasket failures. It wasnt a bad decide juts needed some kinks out if it

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Never said hot laping was good obviously its not if the car doesnt get to cool. I could remember numerous trips to Etown when I had my 97z w/ my buddy in his 99ss in hot/ humid weather. It effected my times alot more then his.

[Formulalt1]

The Lt1 had to many problems with ait bubbles being trapped casuing hot spots. It also Inneficiently cooled one head more the the other. This causing the motor more likely to have head gasket failures. It wasnt a bad decide juts needed some kinks out if it
I've heard the air bubble thing but never really took it serious cause there are two bleeders for the LT1 that have always worked pretty well for me and figured most of these causes of damage happening where people not knowing how to properly bleed a cooling system anyway. Never heard the one head more than the other thing though, don't see how thats possible but interesting stuff.

[HeadlessNorseman]

like matt said, aluminum is ftw. It gets hot faster, but it has less mass to cool in the end, and it has a higher specfici heat. Im still sure i could get that car to run a 12.9 or 12.8. I doubt that anyone who has run it had a lot of practice before hand. Give it a few months and they will run better and better times lol

[LTb1ow]

I've heard the air bubble thing but never really took it serious cause there are two bleeders for the LT1 that have always worked pretty well for me and figured most of these causes of damage happening where people not knowing how to properly bleed a cooling system anyway. Never heard the one head more than the other thing though, don't see how thats possible but interesting stuff.

+1, if you don't know what your doing, you can really screw up your engine. And LT1s have a coolant crossover tube for bubbles, so I dunno what your talking about...

And formula, I thought I was the only one who had heard of GM stealing someones work and then being called on it, hence ending the LT1's days...

[69BirdX]

Ive heard and knew other problems i just forget them we talked about in my College classes. I also did report on it. All i know is all my buddies LTs always ran hotter then my LS

[LTb1ow]

LOL,I disagree again, my LT1 runs cooler than my friends LS1. But whatever, apples and oranges...

And you want you engine oil to be hotter than your engine coolant. I believe.

[Formulalt1]

Ive heard and knew other problems i just forget them we talked about in my College classes. I also did report on it. All i know is all my buddies LTs always ran hotter then my LS
The running temp of the vehicle (under the super high LT1 224 stock low fan kick on) and the times it runs hot lapping are not the same unless I missed something or you meant something else in which case sorry. Also ability to run hot then cool itself quickly or moderate running at a hotter temp without overheating is a more efficient cooling system IMO but eh, this is not another LS1 vs LT1 thread I hope. As for the new camaro ,I have to agree those wheels do look super heavy but I think we will see them hitting mid 12's once the keys are tossed to someone who is a decent driver. Mags and online testers always get slightly higher numbers than a car is capable of, some mags don't even put up the best 1/4 time the car ran, rather they put up a average of multiple runs in different directions.

[69BirdX]

No lt1 vs Ls thread just my buddies with lt1s always had problems with the motor running hot or overheating

[sweetbmxrider]

:laugh: i guess guys will be swapping the all mighty into the 5th gen now.

No lt1 vs Ls thread just my buddies with lt1s always had problems with the motor running hot or overheating

not being a dick but you can say that with any car. there are far too many variables to make a claim with it, not that you should keep it to yourself.

[98tadriver]

I've seen plenty of LS1s go slower and slower as they were hot lapped. What modern technology do you know of that would make LS engines run faster when they are hot lapped?

- Justin

ive hot lapped mine and always went faster or stayed the same. and there really wasnt much difference in my 60's either. ive never run slower from hotlapping, but ive run a lil faster after i let it cool down. but not a 1/2 second lol.

in that video the guy said there was a 10-15mph headwind and the DA was +2000' that would explain the crappy et and mph

[The_Bishop]

in that video the guy said there was a 10-15mph headwind and the DA was +2000' that would explain the crappy et and mph

So more or less, the test is useless due to outside circumstances.

[BigAls87Z28]

Both your LT1 and LS1 suck, we are talking about a 5th gen!!

They ran a suck-ass time. If C&D and MT are running 13.0's, and places like Edmunds.com are hitting 13.0, you show up and run a 13.5? What, was Alex driving?
I wouldnt have published it...

[98tadriver]

So more or less, the test is useless due to outside circumstances.

yes. if you want to get a faster time, run it in the early spring or fall/winter on a low elevation track! lol

[NastyEllEssWon]

Both your LT1 and LS1 suck, we are talking about a 5th gen!!

They ran a suck-ass time. If C&D and MT are running 13.0's, and places like Edmunds.com are hitting 13.0, you show up and run a 13.5? What, was Alex driving?
I wouldnt have published it...




:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[ar0ck]

Both your LT1 and LS1 suck, we are talking about a 5th gen!!

They ran a suck-ass time. If C&D and MT are running 13.0's, and places like Edmunds.com are hitting 13.0, you show up and run a 13.5? What, was Alex driving?
I wouldnt have published it...

Ahem, it would be 13.5 @ 190mph....

[Mike]

i wouldn't hate on nineball too much, here is lmr's shop car, went 13.46 @109 stock

http://www.planetlsx.com/forums/showpost.php?p=27467&postcount=1

[ar0ck]

I'm pretty sure C&D and most major magazines don't actually run the cars on a 1/4 drag strip. I believe they go by a G-Meter

[Tru2Chevy]

I'm pretty sure C&D and most major magazines don't actually run the cars on a 1/4 drag strip. I believe they go by a G-Meter

Many of them run their tests on old airstrips and other such areas. I think they use basic timing equipment...there always seems to be some sort of timing equipment setup behind the car in some magazine photos. I guess the only way to find out for sure would be to ask.

- Justin

[maroman88]

dammmm 13.09 with a CAI and a tune! sweeeeet


LMR CAI & TUNE- 13.09 @110.82

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

dammmm 13.09 with a CAI and a tune! sweeeeet


LMR CAI & TUNE- 13.09 @110.82

Yea saw that....Good 6spd driver w/ an Ls1 would probably go faster :rofl:

[Mike]

Yea saw that....Good 6spd driver w/ an Ls1 would probably go faster :rofl:

add a few hundred pounds, big low profile tires, insane houston heat/humidity, and the fact that the car has about 25 miles on it and isn't broken in yet

[Frosty]

ive hot lapped mine and always went faster or stayed the same. and there really wasnt much difference in my 60's either. ive never run slower from hotlapping, but ive run a lil faster after i let it cool down. but not a 1/2 second lol.



:werd:

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

add a few hundred pounds, big low profile tires,

:?: .....No kidding thats what weve been talking about since the thread started. Never remember anybody running bad times in LS1's and blaming it on the car "not being broken in". If they felt the car wasnt broken in yet they shouldnt have ran it...same goes for the weather...otherwise all it adds to is a list of excuses.

[Frosty]

Yeah because weather doesn't have anything to do with your timeslips. :rofl:

[Mike]

:?: .....No kidding thats what weve been talking about since the thread started. Never remember anybody running bad times in LS1's and blaming it on the car "not being broken in". If they felt the car wasnt broken in yet they shouldnt have ran it...same goes for the weather...otherwise all it adds to is a list of excuses.

you seem to just be hating on it for the sake of hating on it.

the point i was trying to make, is that ANOTHER CAR in the same area as nineballs original test ran a very similar time, so im sure track location and weather has something to do with it.

[sweetbmxrider]

you seem to just be hating on it for the sake of hating on it.

seriously. a good lt1 driver could click off a low 13 too. your car hasn't run anything till it has run something! just because others can do it doesn't mean you can. 25 miles on a motor isn't broken in either.

look at the quarter mile times in the articles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_Chevrolet_Camaro

[98tadriver]

just to give people an idea on how weather affects a cars ET and mph

-2000 DA 11.89 @ 118.27mph 1.83 60'
2 weeks later, -100 DA 11.91 @ 117mph 1.71 60'

with a 1.71 60' i still managed to run slower and mph'd less due to the crappier DA

if i cut a 1.71 60' on the -2000 DA da, that wouldve been in the neighborhood of 11.60's

[NastyEllEssWon]

seriously. a good lt1 driver could click off a low 13 too. your car hasn't run anything till it has run something! just because others can do it doesn't mean you can. 25 miles on a motor isn't broken in either.

look at the quarter mile times in the articles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_Chevrolet_Camaro





to quote your own article


In the Z28 models 0-60 was 5.5 seconds and 1/4 at 14.0 seconds. The new SS models 0-60 times of 4.8 seconds and 1/4 at 13.10.

96/97 ss's which were pretty hard to come by.