marijuanna to cure economy?

[madness410]

idk if posting about drugs will lock this thread..but i saw an interesting article on msn.com

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/StockInvestingTrading/a-budget-cure-marijuana-taxes.aspx?gt1=33002

would you agree or disagree if the government made it legal? i personally think it would save the government not only with taxes but save money on incarcerating people for a victimless offenses, save court time, etc...

it also says that in the 1930s alcohol was brought back because the economy was plummeting. idk just food for thought.

[BigAls87Z28]

CNBC had a whole bunch of coverage on it.
I see both sides of the argument. The moral side, and the economic side.
I dont think that people will start lighting up just because its illegal. I know I wouldnt. I think most people dont do drugs not because they are illegal, but because it is against thier morals, feelings, or just dont like the outcome or the potential of where it leads.

[NastyEllEssWon]

read The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herrer. says everything that needs to be said.

[CamaroJoe1987]

im with BigAls87Z28 on this one, i wouldnt even if it did become legal

[bubba428]

read The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herrer. says everything that needs to be said.

so if pot gets legalized every ones getting naked? that could be very good...and very bad

[LTb1ow]

Ahaha yes, very bad.

And my problem with legalizing one drug is, well why not legalize meth, PCP, heroin, E, roofies, etc etc,.... Does that mean steriods are legal now too? I mean their just a drug and all....

Way to many lines that would have to crossed and I think if you gave the american public an inch they would ask for a mile and hang em selves with it.

[madness410]

yeah i also agree with al. although it would be legal i would not touch it. i wish there was a way america could give it a 'free trial' so to speak and test it out for a few months or so.

but matt i think the reason why they dont legalize other drugs such as meth, PCP, cocain or heroin is the fact that those are highly addictive drugs. marijuana is proven to not be addictive. also you can overdose pretty easy on some of them. i havent heard of a marijuana overdose

[LTb1ow]

Well I know, but once you give a mouse a cookie, he is going to want a glass of milk... All I am saying is weed is a good gateway drug and once you say, "ok THIS drug is ok to use but those are not" people start to discredit you and you lower the standard of drugs... like usually most people start with weed/booze, but hell if they are legal, lets start with some coke, the 80s thought it was cool.

IDK, its just a bad idea in general IMO. And what year would you say its ok to use at? Ok to drive on it?

Smoking weed is ok, but smoking a cigarette is bad? LOL

[Tsar]

idk if posting about drugs will lock this thread..but i saw an interesting article on msn.com

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/StockInvestingTrading/a-budget-cure-marijuana-taxes.aspx?gt1=33002

would you agree or disagree if the government made it legal? i personally think it would save the government not only with taxes but save money on incarcerating people for a victimless offenses, save court time, etc...

it also says that in the 1930s alcohol was brought back because the economy was plummeting. idk just food for thought.

Big fail...

[jims69camaro]

i don't know if it would fixed the economy but if it was legal and everyone used it half the people wouldn't care about the problem and the other half would forget there is a problem. it might be worth checking into... :evil: :mrgreen: :kneeslap:

[WildBillyT]

As a gentle reminder:

1.) No illegal activity. Not here yet, but it will be. Somebody will talk about the blunt they just burned, etc.
2.) No politics. Again, I dunno if this is politically charged yet.

I'd like to see this keep going, but if all the sudden this thread is gone then you will know why.

[LTb1ow]

Its just a dumb idea, I fail to see why you need to smoke in the first place, your life is that dull?

I mean, maybe instead of trying to justify it, the govt. should just try to get people to think instead....

[WildBillyT]

Its just a dumb idea, I fail to see why you need to smoke in the first place, your life is that dull?

I mean, maybe instead of trying to justify it, the govt. should just try to get people to think instead....

Aside from health benefits of red wine, then why would you drink? Or why do you need nutritional supplements like SuperPump?

[LTb1ow]

I don't often... and if I do, its cause beer tastes good with dinner.

And yea, I know, I get that all the time, can't have your cake and eat it too.

[WildBillyT]

I don't often... and if I do, its cause beer tastes good with dinner.

And yea, I know, I get that all the time, can't have your cake and eat it too.

Personally I think the gov't should be more concerned with prescription drug abuse.

[LTb1ow]

Hey you said no politics!
;)

But I think the govt. should be concerned with itself and let the citizens worry about their personal lives. Or at least more power to states and less to federal.

[WildBillyT]

Hey you said no politics!
;)

But I think the govt. should be concerned with itself and let the citizens worry about their personal lives. Or at least more power to states and less to federal.

Problem comes when people **** up their personal lives and then look to the gub-mint to fix stupid behaviors and mistakes.

Yes, I know we are toeing the political line.

[madness410]

i agree with you matt that it is a gateway drug. theres gotta be a way the government can test it out for a few months and see how it works out and weigh the benefits

[69BirdX]

LEGALIZE IT.Tam the hell out of it like ciggerates also lower the drinkin age back to 18 and the economy will sky rocket. I wouldnt do it if iwas legal and lot of people wouldnt because they cant rebel anymore. There are plenty of people like me who dont drink and smoke out there and if it became legal not many new would. I know I wouldnt. Give the same rules as alcohol. The goverment wastes billions of dollars on the drug war and it doesnt seem to change anything.

[madness410]

exactly what i was thinking...if it were legal people would do it solely for recreational purposes and not to rebel. a lot of people say when they turn 21 the feeling of drinking is completely different because you can legally do it so the stigma of being a rebel is taken away.

[WildBillyT]

exactly what i was thinking...if it were legal people would do it solely for recreational purposes and not to rebel. a lot of people say when they turn 21 the feeling of drinking is completely different because you can legally do it so the stigma of being a rebel is taken away.

Look at Europe. You can order a beer in most places when you can see over the bar.

[madness410]

exactly. but people would argue that american kids are dumb lol

[LTb1ow]

The number of drunk driving deaths of 18 year olds has plummeted since the drinking age was changed to 21. I would not want it to change back down to 18, young teenagers already suck at driving, don't add fuel to the fire.

As for "trying" it out, I highly doubt changing such an immense policy would be done to just see what happens for a month or so....

[Saitin]

I'm pretty sure hemp as some big manufacturing benefits that would help the economy, yes hemp is different but it is only illegalcause Mary jane is.
As for it being a gateway drug it's just the same gateway that tobacco and alcohol use.
Honestly if they legalized and taxed the hell out of it like tobacco I think slot of crime would drop and most likley a lot of the people that do use it would stop.

[ar0ck]

When they legalize drugs, I'm locking my doors and barricading myself in my home.

Personally, I don't want to be on the road with high people, let alone drunk. I don't ride my motorcycle at night anymore, in fact I avoid it at all costs because of that reason. But I pray alcoholics have the dignity to not drink during the day and save it for after the regular 9-5 working hours (if they even have a job) but I know a lot of people like to smoke up during the day, and If I'm out riding I don't want to be near anyone that's smoked a hell of a lot of whatever and be driving thinking "hey far out, lets catch that blue bug"

[Saitin]

If they did legalize it I'm sure the DUI policy would be updated to include it.

[madness410]

yeah but the thing is they dont have breathalyzers for marijuana lol. but alex that is a really smart idea not going out at night on a bike..

[Tsar]

When they legalize drugs, I'm locking my doors and barricading myself in my home.

Personally, I don't want to be on the road with high people, let alone drunk. I don't ride my motorcycle at night anymore, in fact I avoid it at all costs because of that reason. But I pray alcoholics have the dignity to not drink during the day and save it for after the regular 9-5 working hours (if they even have a job) but I know a lot of people like to smoke up during the day, and If I'm out riding I don't want to be near anyone that's smoked a hell of a lot of whatever and be driving thinking "hey far out, lets catch that blue bug"
Post one stated that smoking pot is a victimless offense so your post is BS. :lol:
If they did legalize it I'm sure the DUI policy would be updated to include it.In many states it is already a part of the DUI statue..

[madness410]

Post one stated that smoking pot is a victimless offense so your post if BS. :lol:

let me rephrase that then lol..i think its a victimless offense if they just chill out and do it in their home. happy?

[Tsar]

let me rephrase that then lol..i think its a victimless offense if they just chill out and do it in their home. happy?
Does weed magically appear in someones pocket? If you answer is no, as it should be then you should think about drug runners. I'm sure those guys will never hurt a fly. Go have a talk with a DEA agent and he will tell you how nice some of those guys are.

There are victims before you buy a joint, and there might be victims after you buy a joint (if you are stupid enough to drive). Doesn't seem victimless :shrug:

[madness410]

hm. good point. tou che.

[Mike]

as someone who works in a jail with a couple hundred more people than it is supposed to hold, with a large number of people there on possession warrants for under 100 bucks....i think it would be a decent plan if done right. not only would you be able to tax it, but you would save BILLIONS in the prison systems.

everyone cries about "Americans should buy American cars" and not send their money to japan/Europe, yet all this drug money is sent to central and south America and that is not a problem?

legalize it and we can have fda controlled farming IN THIS COUNTRY of one of the biggest cash crops in the world

so.........

taxes = revenue
farming = revenue
saving money in the prison systems and law enforcement = revenue

and not only that, your not sending tons of American dollars to drug lords known to have terrorist ties......

[baddest434]

as someone who works in a jail with a couple hundred more people than it is supposed to hold, with a large number of people there on possession warrants for under 100 bucks....i think it would be a decent plan if done right. not only would you be able to tax it, but you would save BILLIONS in the prison systems.

everyone cries about "Americans should buy American cars" and not send their money to japan/Europe, yet all this drug money is sent to central and south America and that is not a problem?

legalize it and we can have fda controlled farming IN THIS COUNTRY of one of the biggest cash crops in the world

so.........

taxes = revenue
farming = revenue
saving money in the prison systems and law enforcement = revenue

and not only that, your not sending tons of American dollars to drug lords known to have terrorist ties......

i agree 100% with you on this mike.
why not legalize prositution too....thats a victimless crime :lol:

[Mike]

i agree 100% with you on this mike.
why not legalize prositution too....thats a victimless crime :lol:

at least they would be able to monitor for diseases, charge income and sales tax

[madness410]

yeah i agree with mike..most of the stuff he said i learned in my corrections class this past semester. haha prostitution is victimless also. but if they did it everywhere vegas wouldnt be that big of a deal

[Saitin]

i agree 100% with you on this mike.
why not legalize prositution too....thats a victimless crime :lol:

it is in AC isn't it.

[madness410]

but mike dont you also think it may be some part law enforcements fault for bringing someone into the system with possession of less than $100 worth of pot?

[Mike]

but mike dont you also think it may be some part law enforcements fault for bringing someone into the system with possession of less than $100 worth of pot?

many times they dont. they write a summons much like a motor vehicles ticket. and then the people dont show up to court when they are supposed to and a warrant goes out. once the warrant is out, you cant tell if its failure to pay a seatbelt ticket, or murder until they are into the station

[sandynmark98z]

Does weed magically appear in someones pocket? If you answer is no, as it should be then you should think about drug runners. I'm sure those guys will never hurt a fly. Go have a talk with a DEA agent and he will tell you how nice some of those guys are.

There are victims before you buy a joint, and there might be victims after you buy a joint (if you are stupid enough to drive). Doesn't seem victimless :shrug:

could it be that the not so nice people that are involved in the trade beacause it is illegal? just look back at history in the 1920's ,where did the orgainized crime families gain their biggest rise in power? bootlegging.

[Mike]

it is in AC isn't it.

no.

[WildBillyT]

it is in AC isn't it.

With the amount of prostitutes running around you would think so, but no.

[69RSZ]

compared to beer? compared to driveing while on a handheld cellphone? compared to driveing with no sleep like most truckers do on drugs that keep them awake? compared to illegals getting drivers liceneses that cant read the english roadsignes? Or compared to all the people who are out there trying to be roadracers raceing on the public highways endangering the public by speeding or drag raceing? There are a lot of things to worry about while on the road and im more scared of all of the above that someone who smokes a joint.

[zuuhlsT/A]

I say legalize pot. Why not? I mean we can sit here and drink until we die of cirrhosis of the liver.We can smoke cigarettes till we die of lung cancer. What would be the big deal about pot? And that remark about pot being a gateway drug is a bunch of BS! Okay, I sparked a doobie... Now I need to get heroin? LOL gimme a break. With pot off the illegal drug list we can concentrate on the REAL drugs that mess people up. Ever heard of cocaine, crack cocaine, heroin and crystal meth? The list goes on and on but I hope you see what I'm getting at. :nod: I'll shut up now.

[WildBillyT]

I say legalize pot. Why not? I mean we can sit here and drink until we die of cirrhosis of the liver.We can smoke cigarettes till we die of lung cancer. What would be the big deal about pot? And that remark about pot being a gateway drug is a bunch of BS! Okay, I sparked a doobie... Now I need to get heroin? LOL gimme a break. With pot off the illegal drug list we can concentrate on the REAL drugs that mess people up. Ever heard of cocaine, crack cocaine, heroin and crystal meth? The list goes on and on but I hope you see what I'm getting at. :nod: I'll shut up now.

Gateway drug does not mean you are instantly driven to try harder stuff.

[Knipps]

1. Hemp, the material is legal. The THC is what makes Marijuana illegal, there are many other cannabinoids that don't produce THC which are grown commercially.

2. The main reason it's a "gateway drug" is because of how MJ has been bashed to hell and once kids try it, they realize it's not going to make them kill themselves like the commericals say. So the kids figure why not try out some other things that they've been misinformed on.

[69BirdX]

If it were leagalized then it could be grown in the US and be much safer. The **** on the street now is mixed with all kinds of crap. It would save the US goverment so much money. I know plenty of kids that drive high so i wouldnt be worried about that as long as it got the same rules as Alcohol. Should you be allowed to smoke it. Yes but ina safe enviroment where its not bothering anyone else. I dont care if it became the norm in america i still wouldnt smoke and so would alot of others. Why not leagalize it. It will only harm the ones that smoke it. If they know the risks and are still dumb enough to do it let em.

[NastyEllEssWon]

ok well I've held my tongue on this. I am a HUGE pro-marijuana advocate. I have been a member of NORML (national organization for the reform of marijuana laws) for a very long time now. So this is basically how it goes.


Legalize Marijuana and Hemp


In the 1920's Hemp was being experimented to be made into new materials such as plastics, oils, fuels and the medical value of THC was being brought into play.


The govt created a smear campaign against Marijuana as a drug. Resulting in not only the illegalization but the thought it made you insane.

Marijuana was illegalized around the same time alcohol. Alcohol was brought back due to massive bootlegging and rise in ''alcohol crimes.''

Marijuana was continued to be smeared by the American govt for close to 70 years now. Mandatory Minimum Sentencing and the so called ''War On Drugs'' have put many non violent offenders in jail for very long amounts of time.


So what can marijuana do for you and your country???


Industrial.

Hemp can be made into ropes, fabrics, papers, plastics, oils, fuels.

Which means we can stop cutting down the rain forests and american countryside; Instead cutting down controlled field of Hemp plants. Hemp grows very large and fast and is easily harvested a few times a year.

The byproduct? An Illegal Substance?


Hemp is the male plant of cannabis. Its low in THC and very pulpy and good for industrial uses. The Female version grows marijuana. Very Leafy and grows ''buds'' which protect the seeds of the plant. Very rich in THC which produces slight psycadelic, effects causing slight euphoria for a small amount of time.


This is what you do with the rest of the marijuana left over from hemp production.


Repeal the marijuana laws. Place laws in effect to keep marijuana regulated and Taxed. Offer marijuana in a variety of strengths and strains for the casual user to choose. Let out all NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS IN PRISON WHO ARE SERVING MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES FOR MARIJUANA ''CRIMES.''

what happens?


more jobs for farming, shipping, industrial factory work pops up. less taxes are spent on the million in jail for marijuana crimes. more taxes are made from a booming industry, export sky rockets and you tax marijuana as highly as you tax tobacco and alcohol.





as for roadside tests, breathalyzers and the like for marijuana? guess what. they already exist :nod:

[NJSPEEDER]

I think the comparison of the modern economy with pot illegal to prohibition is completely insane. Weed is not a multi billion dollar legal industry that was taken away from companies and tax collection, it is rather the opposite. Pot as a drug has never had anything to do with regulated consumer society in the US.

As far as the prison system, all it would do is lead to larger and broader ranging punishments for infractions. This is the pattern of anything that becomes legal and is frowned upon.

The result would be more ways for people to play the system, the further stuffing of the legal system and exaggeration of the baby sitting service we call a rehabilitation system, and more people be openly and more actively stupid than ever. Basically, nothing of any use will come of it.

[jims69camaro]

just so we're all on the same page: i lament the fact that US dollars go anywhere but back into our economy. we've shot ourselves in the foot long ago, and continue to do so every time an american dollar goes outside the US.

there are a lot of things that could fix our economy, not the least of which would be to legalize marijuana. we could fix our trade deficits to countries like japan. we could spend more of those tax dollars that are being spent warehousing non-violent (read: drug users) offenders in prisons. we could make a better product and advertise that fact not only in the US but aboard. we could stop our leaders from squandering our tax dollars in frivolous ways. the list is endless, but mostly what keeps us from fixing things like this is that people are getting rich from our tax dollars. that is what has to stop, more than anything else. so fix the system before you think about legalizing MJ. otherwise, it will just become another way for our leaders to get fat.

[Frosty]

I've only smoked it a few times many years ago...it was ok...I like it better than drinking but I rarely drink. For those that say it's a gateway drug...BS. That person probably already had a desire to try other drugs.

I firmly believe the only reason that it's not legal is because the government doesn't have a viable system in place to regulate and tax it. There are negatives with everything but legalizing it isn't that big of a deal to me...honestly...who cares? It's no more dangerous or harmful than alcohol and we all know how that goes...\\just so we're all on the same page: i lament the fact that US dollars go anywhere but back into our economy. we've shot ourselves in the foot long ago, and continue to do so every time an american dollar goes outside the US.

there are a lot of things that could fix our economy, not the least of which would be to legalize marijuana. we could fix our trade deficits to countries like japan. we could spend more of those tax dollars that are being spent warehousing non-violent (read: drug users) offenders in prisons. we could make a better product and advertise that fact not only in the US but aboard. we could stop our leaders from squandering our tax dollars in frivolous ways. the list is endless, but mostly what keeps us from fixing things like this is that people are getting rich from our tax dollars. that is what has to stop, more than anything else. so fix the system before you think about legalizing MJ. otherwise, it will just become another way for our leaders to get fat.

Pretty good point.

[NastyEllEssWon]

also if marijuana is legalized it would boost tourism :nod:

[NastyEllEssWon]

im glad that njfboa is able to discuss this issue maturely :nod: thanks guys

[69BirdX]

just so we're all on the same page: i lament the fact that US dollars go anywhere but back into our economy. we've shot ourselves in the foot long ago, and continue to do so every time an american dollar goes outside the US.

there are a lot of things that could fix our economy, not the least of which would be to legalize marijuana. we could fix our trade deficits to countries like japan. we could spend more of those tax dollars that are being spent warehousing non-violent (read: drug users) offenders in prisons. we could make a better product and advertise that fact not only in the US but aboard. we could stop our leaders from squandering our tax dollars in frivolous ways. the list is endless, but mostly what keeps us from fixing things like this is that people are getting rich from our tax dollars. that is what has to stop, more than anything else. so fix the system before you think about legalizing MJ. otherwise, it will just become another way for our leaders to get fat.

I can agree to that. One of our major problems is Global trade. Almost everything that is manufactured is done outside the US. Sadly i countries where they dont care about pollution and the working class.

Another major problem with our economy is unions. What a mess all that is

The system is corrupt most politicians are theives and liars

[LTb1ow]

Techno + monster energy drinks = problem solved.

I winnzzz

[Frosty]

Don't forget the glowsticks :gay:

Techno isn't music...

[LTb1ow]

:mrgreen:


And I think theres just a stigma against drugs that is just not there for booze. Between the two, I would bet weed causes way less problems than drinking does.... IDK. I am good product of the anti drug campaign in the 90s..... Sooo yea.


And a friend brought this one up, when we went to school, it was pounded into our heads that smoking/injecting drugs were horrible horrible things to do. Whereas, booze, huh? whats that? Oh drinking is normal and a fine thing to do....

[NastyEllEssWon]

wow this thread was going fine until the shmoozer twins had to come and inject random crap into it.




in school they always told you that alcohol was a drug, if they didnt in yours then wtf. maybe you didnt pay enough attention during health/dare program?
but yeah this is a mature discussion. take your hijinks to another harbor :lol:

[LTb1ow]

Wait what?

I confused...

And nasty, I never had dare program offered to me. I did pay attention to the health class, and alcohol was really lightly covered compared to the heavy drumming of drugs drugs drugs.

[NastyEllEssWon]

wow in our curriculum...which i know wasnt the best offered....specifically cause i was ''educated'' in trenton schools systems :lol:...they hammered it down that ALCOHOL IS A DRUG and is WIDELY ABUSED because its LEGAL but also causes all types of health problems later on in life.





im not even gonna get into the alcohol vs marijuana debate. cause thats a whole 'nother thread :nod:

[LTb1ow]

Well it goes hand in hand with the legalization of weed.

[Frosty]

Well it goes hand in hand with the legalization of weed.

Yeah I have to agree with that.

As far as the DARE program, I think I had it when I was in 4th grade but I was too stoned, er, too young to remember it. :mrgreen:

Seriously though, I think I was like 9 or 10 when we had DARE...like I knew WTF PCP and Meth were at 10 yrs old....

The "war" on drugs is ********. It used to be a HUGE HUGE HUGE money maker for the government but that's starting to change. Drugs like heroin and meth should be illegal but if alcohol is legal and regulated then marijuana should be too.

[LTb1ow]

It is just plain stupid to jail some kid who had some weed on him etc. I mean you don't go to jail for having booze, officer dumps your booze out in front of you, and takes ya home for your parents to discipline you.

That being said, I am still not a fan of any legalization measures of weed. If you wanna outlaw booze to be fair, fine by me. Why must people need some drug to escape reality? No matter how high you get, you gotta come down sometime....

[madness410]

ive heard alcohol is worse than MJ.

[LTb1ow]

Yea, can't OD on weed, or ruin your liver.

But your inhaling smoke, and in that, carcinogenics. hello cancer.

[madness410]

same with cigarettes though and those are legal...and make u smell like asspiss too

[Frosty]

That being said, I am still not a fan of any legalization measures of weed. If you wanna outlaw booze to be fair, fine by me. Why must people need some drug to escape reality? No matter how high you get, you gotta come down sometime....

Smoking a J every now and again is no different than having a drink.

There's a HUGE difference between having something that you enjoy on occasion compared to abusing it and going overboard.

[LTb1ow]

I suppose, but you can't think single people here.

We are talking about America, the most over indulgent, greedy, and self destructive population ever most likely.... I just do not see legalizing weed to be only used in "moderation" by "mature" people every once and awhile.

[Frosty]

True but then what makes weed ANY different than alcohol? Nothing.

[LTb1ow]

Never said there was, what I said was the public is ok with booze, don't know why, but it is.

Until the stigma of drugs is gone, which would take a few generations of no anti drug campaigns and the zealot mothers to die off, legalization will not happen nicely...

[Knipps]

It is just plain stupid to jail some kid who had some weed on him etc. I mean you don't go to jail for having booze, officer dumps your booze out in front of you, and takes ya home for your parents to discipline you.

That being said, I am still not a fan of any legalization measures of weed. If you wanna outlaw booze to be fair, fine by me. Why must people need some drug to escape reality? No matter how high you get, you gotta come down sometime....
from the same guy who said
Wootssssss


everrcleearrrrrrrr :)

[LTb1ow]

Yup, I never said I am a good person. I have my vices. However, I would not cry much if alcohol was outlawed.

[bubba428]

hmmm....I think, I need a drink. honey bourbon on the rocks. Pot is what ever. so many people smoke it, its pointless to even try. tax it, make money, what ever. honestly I've never seen somebody as wasted on a little smoke as i have booze(my self included, especially). the only problem is the next thing is psycodelics(sp?). I mean if pot is legal why not shrooms or acid? they have no physical addiction and impair one just as much as alcohol, and any good stoner knows NEVER to go out side if your trippin so you would see much of that in drivers. I'm not saying its a good idea, not saying it'll happen. but its a simalar arguement.

[NastyEllEssWon]

yup everyone knows the statistics on pot vs alcohol. its impossible to die from ingestion of marijuana.


Today 10:01 PM
Shownomercy Yea, can't OD on weed, or ruin your liver.

But your inhaling smoke, and in that, carcinogenics. hello cancer.




there are things call vaporizors that heat up the marijuana without any smoke all you inhale is pure thc. you can also heat up the marijuana to release the thc into a substance such as cooking oil or butter to injest therefore eliminating the need to smoke it and risk carcinogenics and smoke.

the levels on which marijuana can be used are endless. but i digress. i used to smoke cigarettes and never bitched about them taxing it. if they legalized marijuana it would be a tax that i would have no problem paying.

[baddest434]

I mean if pot is legal why not shrooms or acid? they have no physical addiction and impair one just as much as alcohol, and any good stoner knows NEVER to go out side if your trippin so you would see much of that in drivers. I'm not saying its a good idea, not saying it'll happen. but its a simalar arguement.

trippin is so 70's dude. and ^ makes no sense at all.

[Knipps]

Actually, Psilocybin has shown medical benefits as well

[madness410]

wtf knipps i knew u were going to butt in here with ur pharmacology terms lmao. what is psilocybin?

[NastyEllEssWon]

wtf knipps i knew u were going to butt in here with ur pharmacology terms lmao. what is psilocybin?






magic mushrooms

[Knipps]

magic mushrooms
Shrooms; Magic Mushrooms; Sacred Mushrooms; teonanácatl; Liberty Caps, etc.

[madness410]

so what was wrong with just saying shrooms

[Knipps]

because that's not the beneficial part :lol:

[bubba428]

trippin is so 70's dude. and ^ makes no sense at all.

it did at the time, now it kinda looks like bable...o well

[LTb1ow]

Nasty, I think the percentage THC with a vap is above 80% correct? As far as I know, that is the highest percentage you can do, and you still are inhaling smoke....

[NastyEllEssWon]

Nasty, I think the percentage THC with a vap is above 80% correct? As far as I know, that is the highest percentage you can do, and you still are inhaling smoke....






its over 80 percent. 80 percent at the least. theyre very efficient. eating thc induced products is somewhere close to like 75 percent thc effectiveness. smoking is the quickest and most direct rate. while i lived in california i was introduced and used all types of thc induced products. such as a ben gay with thc properties or suntan lotion infused with thc. works like a charm

[NJSPEEDER]

Guys, back to the topic of the economic benefits outlined by the OP. This isn't a place to discuss the use of illegal narcotics.

[NastyEllEssWon]

we got a bit sidetracked. still talking about possible legal uses of the product though.




import/export/manufacturing/pharmaceutical/recreational/fuels



that would pretty much bring MADE IN AMERICA back to america :rofl:

[79CamaroDiva]

but matt i think the reason why they dont legalize other drugs such as meth, PCP, cocain or heroin is the fact that those are highly addictive drugs. marijuana is proven to not be addictive. also you can overdose pretty easy on some of them. i havent heard of a marijuana overdose

i didnt read the whole thread, so i dunno if this has been touched on, but if you honestly believe that, then i dont know what you're on.. how many people do you know that smoke if not daily, a few times a week, but of course its not because they're addicted, its because they like it. c'mon.

[Frosty]

i didnt read the whole thread, so i dunno if this has been touched on, but if you honestly believe that, then i dont know what you're on.. how many people do you know that smoke if not daily, a few times a week, but of course its not because they're addicted, its because they like it. c'mon.

What chemicals in marijuana have addictive properties? Even if it did cigarettes have a known addictive chemical in it and that's perfectly acceptable.

[Knipps]

i didnt read the whole thread, so i dunno if this has been touched on, but if you honestly believe that, then i dont know what you're on.. how many people do you know that smoke if not daily, a few times a week, but of course its not because they're addicted, its because they like it. c'mon.
Good thing it's not addictive. How many people do you know that drink more than they should, more often than they should? Alcohol's not addictive either. Melissa, I fail to see your logic here.

[madness410]

What chemicals in marijuana have addictive properties? Even if it did cigarettes have a known addictive chemical in it and that's perfectly acceptable.

cigarettes dont mess with your judgment skills or make you high though, im willing to bet that will be her counter arguement

[79CamaroDiva]

So you're saying that because there are no chemicals in alcohol that people cant be addicted to it? that's crap. for real. People get addicted to the high. I know people who can't function without smoking, and because of that their mental state (sober or stoned) is severely impaired. If it was legalized the IQ of our nation would plummet.

The difference between alcohol and weed is that someone can have a drink or two, and not be impaired, or they can keep going and get wasted. No ones going to smoke "a little bit."

[Knipps]

With the same argument Video Games can be seen as addictive.

[NastyEllEssWon]

this is heading towards a lock. you cant look at the individual with the addictive personality, theyre going to find something to get into.




the point is that the economical stimulus that legalizing marijuana will provide is outweighing the potential ''maladies'' that come from legalizing it. We can turn this country back around, bring back farming and other lost industries in america.

[Frosty]

cigarettes dont mess with your judgment skills or make you high though, im willing to bet that will be her counter arguement

But that wasn't the argument. The argument is if weed is addictive. I brought up cigarettes because it's a fact that nicotine is addictive. I merely ask what chemical in marijuana has an addictive characteristic.

So you're saying that because there are no chemicals in alcohol that people cant be addicted to it? that's crap. for real. People get addicted to the high. I know people who can't function without smoking, and because of that their mental state (sober or stoned) is severely impaired. If it was legalized the IQ of our nation would plummet.

The difference between alcohol and weed is that someone can have a drink or two, and not be impaired, or they can keep going and get wasted. No ones going to smoke "a little bit."

Alcoholism has been linked to being a genetic disorder. I know people that can't get out of bed without having a beer...I know people that brush their teeth while having a beer...it's no different than what you're trying to blame weed on.

Also, you don't know anyone that's slightly impaired after only 2 drinks? You're kidding right? I guess all of your friends are seasoned drinking veterans lol. No one smokes a little bit? A few of my friends will smoke on occasion, take a few hits and be done....not to the point of being high as a kite. I don't see where you're getting your info from, you're taking the most extreme cases and trying to pass them off as the norm.

Both alcohol and weed will impair you but to say that smokers always smoke to the point where they're super high is ignorant(no offense). The IQ of the country would plummet? Right...and I'm sure the scumbag, worthless alcoholics in this country really prop up the number. :rofl:

Does anyone have any type of polls and research data on Amsterdam when marijuana became legal? I'm curious to see if there was an increase of crime, motor vehicle accidents, increased number of hospital cases involving marijuana etc.

[BigAls87Z28]

Whoa whoa whoa...ok where was I

Is weed a gateway drug? yes, it most deffinatly is. And thats still my biggest problem with it. Does EVERYONE fall right into heroin, coke, or something else? No, but the statistics say they do.

I would say that most people that want to do pot do it for two reasons
1) friends do it
2) rebel
Either way, people tend to go down "that" path. Some stop and have some sense. Some people go down it a little, trying something a bit more
Then some other people...well...they keep going, trying to find the next great thing.
That could be said with any drug. And yes, alcohol is a drug. Its addicting in the feeling you get, the way you are, the fun you have.
More you drink, the larger part it plays in your life.

Americans have no self-control for the most part. Thats a whole argument to itself, but taking just a small part out of it, when we see something we like, we want more.
Better, faster, stronger, quicker, harder, and we keep pushing.

Its hard line to walk...do you do it for financial reasons only because right now we are in a bit of downturn? What happens when we pull out of this? See, like Americans, we can only see whats right infront of our faces. Every single aspect of our culture is about what will happen in the next 10 mins.

Could it be a part of our national economy? Could it be something that is sustainable? What will happen when we undemonize it like we did alcohol or smoking? What happens when the pot manufacturing companies aim at kids? What about other health risks? What happens when the companies start to increase profits by adding tar and other dangerious additives some time down the road?
How will this effect our country as a whole? Will we slide deeper into a moral hole? Or will it be no different then now since pot is for the most part widly accepted as an ok illegal drug?

There are a lot of questions that have to have been answerd before you can go ahead and give it the green light.

I agree that it should be legalized, but there are so many questions and problems, some that have yet to even be raised, about this.

[NastyEllEssWon]

by many arguments you can say that nicotine is more of a gateway drug. alcohol is too. it was easier to get ahold of alcohol and cigarettes as a kid. thats the only reason they say pot is a gateway drug. its easily available already.

[jims69camaro]

thats the only reason they say pot is a gateway drug. its easily available already.

they've been saying pot was a gateway drug since the '50s...

[Knipps]

Because once kids get their hands on it, they see it's not as bad as everyone's made it out to be. They're then curious how much they've been lied to about everything else.

[NJSPEEDER]

What chemicals in marijuana have addictive properties? Even if it did cigarettes have a known addictive chemical in it and that's perfectly acceptable.

Any chemical result is addictive, it is a part of human nature. Addiction is not just a physical condition, it is mental as well. Gonna discuss it you have to be ready to talk about both parts.

[Knipps]

Any chemical result is addictive, it is a part of human nature. Addiction is not just a physical condition, it is mental as well. Gonna discuss it you have to be ready to talk about both parts.
If you want to talk about psychological addiction only then you can use that to outlaw plenty of things. Typically when talking about something's addictive properties what is discussed are the physiological effects.

[NJSPEEDER]

This is true, my point was merely to not try to use half of the addiction argument when it is convenient.

The big problem that is still being missed is how this will effect the economy. Everyone is willing to talk about using for some reason, but the economic application has vanished from this thread. Let's get it back on that point please.

[Knipps]

Someone was talking about how the companies may get greedy and start using a "lesser product" with fillers. I think if that was the case people would go back to their own sources, most would be willing to pay more for better quality.

[LTb1ow]

And why would an illegal product farmer even bother going legal and paying taxes?

I mean, they have no problem breaking the law now, why would the follow a different one later?

[Knipps]

For the ability to experience exponential growth? Instead of hiding a few plants in a shed they can fill a plantation with them.

[NastyEllEssWon]

we've touched based on the economical growth from marijuana. i dont know if anyone is reading the earliers posts.



Growing huge fields of hemp means also having a large crop of marijuana. In california medical marijuana is distributed at the rate of 300 dollars for an ounce of marijuana. take the fact that one plant, half sized, can produce more than a few ounces per harvest, and the fact that its harvest more than once a year, then multiply that by the number of crops you have growing on just 1 farm, then multiply that by the number of americans that would want to partake in marijuana and you got a large number.

What happens? You get multiple things from this....


Maximum product for minimum overhead.


Hemp and marijuana grows fast. Hemp is very pulpy but very strong. The number of industries that will experience growth for just hemp.




Farming
Textiles
Paper Mills
Rope
Bath and body products
Alternative Fuels


Not only saving money by not PERSUING, PROSECUTING AND JAILING non violent marijuana offenders. that money alone might be worth it.



how about taxes on marijuana itself? Impose some sanctions on it like alcohol.


21 to smoke
If carried in a car must be in the trunk or not accessible by cabin passengers
Smoking must not take place in public
No operating machinery


Pretty much just ammend the alcohol laws to include marijuana. and dont give me the ''there are no field tests to test for marijuana.'' thats bs. and they do. its a cotton swab that tells you if youve smoked marijuana in the last 3 hours. :nod:




America was built on the hemp industry. Why cant it be saved on it as well?


if you want more reading about marijuana/hemp and what it can do for our govt then please read this.


Hemp: The Trillian Dollar Crop
http://www.hempfarm.org/

[madness410]

setting an age limit on mj wouldnt be a bad idea at all..maybe even a 25+ year old limit. so it would be hard for younger crowds to get it

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes, you could keep growing if you are a small farmer, but when you get big corperation involved, on top of now IRS looking for your money in the legalized pot world, you wont be around for long.
Just one more goverment agency coming to hunt you down. People could make thier own tabaco, roll it and smoke it..but they dont.
When its already made, sold at every corner store, why bother spending the money to make it or risk buying it illegally when you can go to 7-11 and pick up a pack of J's?

[sweetbmxrider]

i am sure there are plenty of good points in this thread for either side so i'll just state my opinion that i would rather not see cannabis legalized. with alcohol, you can measure a person's state of alcohol-induced intoxication (BAC) on the field and as far as i know, you cannot measure one's THC content on the field in a reasonable amount of time, like for a traffic stop. not being able to control a person's THC intake can only add to the people against alcohol and drunk driving and the like.

[Frosty]

Any chemical result is addictive, it is a part of human nature. Addiction is not just a physical condition, it is mental as well. Gonna discuss it you have to be ready to talk about both parts.

Then take away Pepsi because I can't stop drinking it, lol.

[Frosty]

i am sure there are plenty of good points in this thread for either side so i'll just state my opinion that i would rather not see cannabis legalized. with alcohol, you can measure a person's state of alcohol-induced intoxication (BAC) on the field and as far as i know, you cannot measure one's THC content on the field in a reasonable amount of time, like for a traffic stop. not being able to control a person's THC intake can only add to the people against alcohol and drunk driving and the like.

Very good point.

You have to consider one thing about the BAC though, you can still be sited for DUI if the officer feels you're too impaired to drive even though your BAC is below the legal limit(though those laws may have changed,it'd tough to uphold it in court though)

[NastyEllEssWon]

Very good point.

You have to consider one thing about the BAC though, you can still be sited for DUI if the officer feels you're too impaired to drive even though your BAC is below the legal limit(though those laws may have changed,it'd tough to uphold it in court though)





there are swabs that test for thc from within the last 3 hours :nod:

[shane27]

cannabis has been around longer then humans. its on this earth for a reason, and that reason is so that humans(and maybe other species) can enjoy it.

that being said, we live in a society with a bunch of crazy idiots, who think that getting high is some unnatural curse, but getting ****bombed drunk and blacking out is normal. they made it so that if you want to live in this society, you cannot get high. you cant smoke weed, you cant do natural drugs, and you have to stay alive for 21 years before you can drink alcohol.

slowly if ever, marijuana will be legalized. but as a whole, we all need to grow up a little about it, including me.

[SuperSweet]

Heres how I see it...MJ should be legalized and taxed like no other. Maybe not sold at every corner store, but have something along the lines of MJ bar..kind of like a hookah bar. Have the same DUI rules as alcohol..as for those who say you cant measure the THC level in someone for DUI, how many stoners actually want to do something while high? Smoking marijuana doesnt impare judgment to the point where you think you can do something that your incapable of doing(like flying)..where as someone who is totally bombed out might fight tooth and nail that they can drive home just fine..:?: When was the last time amsterdam broke out in a civil or international war?

And to compare marijuana with other drugs like pcp, cocaine, shrooms, acid...I personally think is rediculous. I understand the whole "gateway" thing with looking for a better high, but to say that if one is legal than they should all be legal is just crazy..they are just horses of another psychedelic color. They are a much more potent, extreme, drug that COMPLETLEY impares judgment, on all levels of society.

Anyone I've ever met that has smoke pot would agree that they are in a much more peaceful state, as well as being lazy enough where they dont want to do much, including driving. Plus, the mass jump in fast food sales might be enough to save the economy :lol: LEGALIZE

[sweetbmxrider]

so you enjoy things like poison ivy? :lol: though i understand and somewhat agree with your points, i believe alcohol can have ill affects on young people if consumed before their body reaches a certain level of maturity. it can still ill-adversely affect adults, but not nearly as bad as young people.

[BigAls87Z28]

cannabis has been around longer then humans. its on this earth for a reason, and that reason is so that humans(and maybe other species) can enjoy it.



Ugh, I hate when people say that. I know someone who used to say that to me when we were friends in HS. He OD'ed on heroin last year.
Lava comes from the Earth, that **** will **** you up good too.
Its this mentality is why I will never support 100% the legalization of weed.

[Knipps]

So rather than educate someone you'd prefer to call them stupid and antagonize their opinion. WTG Al

[BigAls87Z28]

So rather than educate someone you'd prefer to call them stupid and antagonize their opinion. WTG Al

Who did I call names?
When did I say do not educate anyone?
There is plenty of education that drugs are bad. People avoid or dont pay attention to it becaues they dont know wtf they are talking about. I mean, DARE is just some goverment agency to stop people from getting high and experiencing things that can expand humands minds?

Its ********. I hate the "it comes from nature" nonsense that pot heads come up with.
I watched a friend die cause of it. Dont like my opinion? Maybe you can go talk to him.

[Knipps]

Al, even DARE doesn't have much of an argument against MJ.
Smoking marijuana may impair short-term memory while people are using the drug. This happens because all forms of marijuana contain THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), the main active chemical in marijuana, which alters the way the brain works.

MAY impair short term memory. Alcohol does a lot worse.

[BigAls87Z28]

Al, even DARE doesn't have much of an argument against MJ.


MAY impair short term memory. Alcohol does a lot worse.

Not saying that it doesnt.
My point is dont bring up the argument that if it comes from the Earth, its good for you.

[Knipps]

I can agree with you there. Cyanide, tetradotoxin, etc. all come from nature

[SuperSweet]

so you enjoy things like poison ivy? :lol: though i understand and somewhat agree with your points, i believe alcohol can have ill affects on young people if consumed before their body reaches a certain level of maturity. it can still ill-adversely affect adults, but not nearly as bad as young people.

I also agree with that..as I knew of a 15yr old girl who went into an alcoholic coma after drinking too much..she ended up with 50% brain damage...alcohol deffinitely isnt something to screw around with at a young age.This also doesnt mean that marijuana should be sold at an age younger than the drinking age.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Ugh, I hate when people say that. I know someone who used to say that to me when we were friends in HS. He OD'ed on heroin last year.
Lava comes from the Earth, that **** will **** you up good too.
Its this mentality is why I will never support 100% the legalization of weed.





your problem is that you see it as a drug. in my mind a drug is any substance that cant be naturally made, used to get high. you can snort cocoa right from the cocoa plant, you cant inject or snort opium straight from a poppy plant. hell you cant get alcohol if you dont ferment the fruits first.


my point?


go up to a marijuana plant. grab a bud. toss it in a bowl. no processing, no chemical experiments or bunson burners. its just a plant.



heres an analogy you can understand big al......


Heroin is to Marijuana

as

Prius is to Corvette




:nod:

[Knipps]

go up to a marijuana plant. grab a bud. toss it in a bowl. no processing, no chemical experiments or bunson burners. its just a plant.
:nod:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Poisonous_plants

They're just plants.

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Poisonous_plants

They're just plants.




ok so? those plants have been proven to have harmful effects on humans.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28034925/



2000 year old man found buried in the desert with a large stash of marijuana. it just goes to show that todays society is the only one with a problem from it.

[shane27]

Ugh, I hate when people say that. I know someone who used to say that to me when we were friends in HS. He OD'ed on heroin last year.
Lava comes from the Earth, that **** will **** you up good too.
Its this mentality is why I will never support 100% the legalization of weed.
just like you eat an apple from an apple tree
you smoke marijuana from a marijuana plant
u cant ingest lava and if you manage to you will be burned to death.

[SuperSweet]

just like you eat an apple from an apple tree
you smoke marijuana from a marijuana plant
u cant ingest lava and if you manage to you will be burned to death.

Lava doesnt grow in fields..thats like saying you cant swallow a hurricane but if you could your lungs woulds be blown away lol...lava cant be taxed or used to stimulate the economy.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Who did I call names?
When did I say do not educate anyone?
There is plenty of education that drugs are bad. People avoid or dont pay attention to it becaues they dont know wtf they are talking about. I mean, DARE is just some goverment agency to stop people from getting high and experiencing things that can expand humands minds?

Its ********. I hate the "it comes from nature" nonsense that pot heads come up with.
I watched a friend die cause of it. Dont like my opinion? Maybe you can go talk to him.




Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 View Post
Ugh, I hate when people say that. I know someone who used to say that to me when we were friends in HS. He OD'ed on heroin last year.
Lava comes from the Earth, that **** will **** you up good too.
Its this mentality is why I will never support 100% the legalization of weed.





yeah you seem to be a bit confused. everyone makes their own decisions. marijuana didnt stick the needle in his arm :nod:

[LTb1ow]

I still just do not understand the reasoning behind the urge for it to be legalized when the people who want it to be legalized say it is not addicting etc....

[shane27]

Lava doesnt grow in fields..thats like saying you cant swallow a hurricane but if you could your lungs woulds be blown away lol...lava cant be taxed or used to stimulate the economy.what? :shock:

[NastyEllEssWon]

I still just do not understand the reasoning behind the urge for it to be legalized when the people who want it to be legalized say it is not addicting etc....





its for economic stimulus and ending the unjust prosecution and witch hunt that is the marijuana laws :nod:

[LTb1ow]

Ok, but why smoke?

If its not addicting, why waste the money on burning something to inhale?

[NastyEllEssWon]

Ok, but why smoke?

If its not addicting, why waste the money on burning something to inhale?





why drink?

[NastyEllEssWon]

btw just made this for this thread.



http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/Jsaul83/lava.jpg

[LTb1ow]

LOL nice.

What I was trying to get at, is if no one had introduced you to smoking and its apparently non addicting (???) affects, you would not feel the need to explore nature and find leaves to smoke would you? Therefore, how can you say its not addicting, or even useful, those that do smoke are being selfish in trying to promote a drug, a drug that does cause problems whether or not you want to accept that. Why not just not smoke?

[NastyEllEssWon]

your not answering my question? why not just NOT DRINK.



its a choice. a choice that some deem safer to them than the others (cigs and alcohol.) its a personal preference. some might now like the feeling of not being able to control your own actions, such as alcohol can induce. some would prefer to be more mellow, relaxed and ''inebriated'' in a more controllable atmosphere.


going into the forest to smoke random leaves can get you into serious trouble. the fact that marijuana AND tobacco have been smoked for thousands of years goes to show that one day a few thousands of years ago some people really did try to smoke other leaves.


with the recent discovery of the 2000 year old mummy with the large amount of pot on him goes to show a twist on the age old question...


which came first chicken or egg??


which was smoked first Marijuana or Tobacco? was it marijuana that people enjoyed so much they went out to smoke other leaves? or was it the other way around :wink:

[BigAls87Z28]

Ok, so a dead person from 2000 years ago is found with weed, that means.................................. people smoked pot 2000 years ago?
And how does that pertain to this conversation? People smoke pot now.
People did a lot of things back then. People also belived the world was flat.
I dont see how the 2000 year old man helps the case? People smoked one plant or another, who gives a ****?
People probably smoked a lot of things before they found something that didnt kill them...at least immediatly.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Ok, so a dead person from 2000 years ago is found with weed, that means.................................. people smoked pot 2000 years ago?
And how does that pertain to this conversation? People smoke pot now.
People did a lot of things back then. People also belived the world was flat.
I dont see how the 2000 year old man helps the case? People smoked one plant or another, who gives a ****?
People probably smoked a lot of things before they found something that didnt kill them...at least immediatly.





its just the blatant hypocrisy that goes along with accepting tobacco and not marijuana. marijuana is actually beneficial. tobacco isnt. its ass backwards

[BigAls87Z28]

Tobacco isnt too bad. Its the OTHER things inside a cigarette that the problem.
Anything you smoke will degrade your lungs. So if you are talking about pot has more medicinal use then tobacco, stop cause its only a matter of time before you start hot-linking findings from High Times.


Again, there are a million questions to be answerd before I would throw my 100% support behind weed.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Tobacco isnt too bad. Its the OTHER things inside a cigarette that the problem.
Anything you smoke will degrade your lungs. So if you are talking about pot has more medicinal use then tobacco, stop cause its only a matter of time before you start hot-linking findings from High Times.


Again, there are a million questions to be answerd before I would throw my 100% support behind weed.





none of my links will take you to a recreational and lax media site such as high times. i will however inform you that if you read the whole thread, there are multiple ways to consume THC. you dont have to smoke it. you can cook it into oils, butters and extracts. you can also use aromatic hash oil to use marijuana. heating marijuana is what brings out the THC.


this country was built on the hemp industry, its only fitting that the economy has been going downhill since the banning of hemp


do you believe in coincidences or just plain ignore all the facts ive laid out for you. everytime i offer an alternative you just toss blatant ignorance towards it.



BigAls87Z28 Tobacco isnt too bad. Its the OTHER things inside a cigarette that the problem.


so explain to me whats the benefit from smoking tobacco?

[sweetbmxrider]

if you legalize weed then all of the drug dealers will go out of business and lose their homes and 24's. is that something you could live with? i didn't think so....

[NastyEllEssWon]

if you legalize weed then all of the drug dealers will go out of business and lose their homes and 24's. is that something you could live with? i didn't think so....




theres enough coke and heroin for them to sell and actually go to jail for a real reason :wink:

[sweetbmxrider]

what if they legalized smoking coke and making heroin aroma candles?

[shane27]

if you legalize weed then all of the drug dealers will go out of business and lose their homes and 24's. is that something you could live with? i didn't think so....:cry:

but seriously who is someone to judge whether another person smoked pot or not?

like i said before, its just a ****ing plant. maybe they should make poisen ivy illegal becasue it harms some people skin.

imagine walking around with poisen ivy and rubbing it against people :rofl::rofl:

[NastyEllEssWon]

what if they legalized smoking coke and making heroin aroma candles?




they wont because those drugs were proven to be physically addictive and extremely harmful towards your health.


the fact that you group marijuana with MANUFACTURED DRUGS such as cocaine and heroin means that the Smear campaign that the govt led on marijuana the last 70 years has succeeded. Generations of americans enjoyed marijuana for 160 maybe more years before it was banned and the govt ran a propaganda campaign on marijuana. They said it made you insane. They said that black and hispanic people used marijuana and it made them rape white women. They also said that it can kill you. None of which is true.






George Washington grew fields of hemp. Want to take a guess at what he did with his female plants? :nod:





Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider View Post
if you legalize weed then all of the drug dealers will go out of business and lose their homes and 24's. is that something you could live with? i didn't think so....


the fact that you even associate marijuana with these types of people is even more proof of the govts smear campaign of marijuana and minority users

[NytmrSS]

the fact that you even associate marijuana with these types of people is even more proof of the govts smear campaign of marijuana and minority users

Just to give some depth to the beginnings of the smearing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger


When marijuana was banned in 37, congress obviously didn't grasp the idea that hemp as an industry was also being snuffed out. They were to busy worrying about their white wives being raped by black and mexican men due to smoking pot...people actually believed that **** and the fact that this is still a debate in this country is laughable yet nowhere near suprising.

[jims69camaro]

we've touched based on the economical growth from marijuana.

are you smoking now? what have we touched? or was it that we touched base on the growth? that 'D' really threw the whole sentence out of whack.

i dont know if anyone is reading the earliers posts.

i've been following since the beginning. notice my facetious remark on the first page.

Growing huge fields of hemp means also having a large crop of marijuana.

two different crops. hemp doesn't smoke very well, although i have known people to smoke it in a pinch. for sure there would be two different farms, two different farmers and two different industries based on hemp and marijuana.

In california medical marijuana is distributed at the rate of 300 dollars for an ounce of marijuana. take the fact that one plant, half sized, can produce more than a few ounces per harvest, and the fact that its harvest more than once a year, then multiply that by the number of crops you have growing on just 1 farm, then multiply that by the number of americans that would want to partake in marijuana and you got a large number.

this is a huge number for several reasons: people, plants, farms, harvests per year. let's say that 100 people smoke. in order to supply those 100 people, you'd need an ounce per month for each person (assumption). each plant can produce two or three ounces per harvest, let's say twice yearly. 200 plants can supply those 100 people, provided the above assumptions on consumption (conjunction junction, what's your function? ). of course, harvests would have to be staggered throughout the year to keep a fresh supply on hand, or some storage would have to be devised to keep it fresh. we are experts on keeping things fresh (EDTA).

What happens? You get multiple things from this. Maximum product for minimum overhead.

this would depend on the individual farmer. there are many tips and tricks to getting plants to produce with maximum efficiency.

Hemp and marijuana grow fast. Hemp is very pulpy but very strong. The number of industries that will experience growth for just hemp.

the number of industries for just hemp will grow?

Farming, Textiles, Paper Mills, Rope, Bath and body products, Alternative Fuels. Not only saving money by not PERSUING, PROSECUTING AND JAILING non violent marijuana offenders. that money alone might be worth it.

not only saving money but... what? the money saved by not pursuing, prosecuting, and jailing marijuana offenders alone might be worth it? of course they will save tons of cash. think about how many people are in jail who either were convicted of possession, possession with the intent to distribute or distribution. if you let them out and stop prosecuting new offenders you would eliminate the over-crowding of the jails immediately. not only that, but since they would not be in with other criminals, they would not learn from them and thereby we would not be producing better criminals. think about it: a marijuana convict is in with a burglar for 3 years. the burglar is bound to be sharing his secrets to the marijuana convict and when the MJ convict gets released he has a whole new skillset and might use that knowledge to commit more crimes. you eliminate that completely by not jailing the person in the first place.

how about taxes on marijuana itself? Impose some sanctions on it like alcohol. 21 to smoke: If carried in a car must be in the trunk or not accessible by cabin passengers, Smoking must not occur in public places, No operating machinery (to include motor vehicles). Pretty much just ammend the alcohol laws to include marijuana. and dont give me the ''there are no field tests to test for marijuana.'' that's bs; they do. its a cotton swab that tells you if you've smoked marijuana in the last 3 hours.

taxes and regulation, something else for the politicians to get involved in. just keep an eye on them, that they're not using the additional taxes to fill their troughs.

America was built on the hemp industry. Why cant it be saved on it as well?

i am not convinced that legalizing MJ would carry us far enough to save the economy. there are many other things that need to happen in addition to the new tax.

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[NastyEllEssWon]

two different crops. hemp doesn't smoke very well, although i have known people to smoke it in a pinch. for sure there would be two different farms, two different farmers and two different industries based on hemp and marijuana.



The problem that you dont understand is that Marijuana grows on the female version of the hemp plant. You can't have one without the other.



hemp = male plant marijuana = female plant




the number of industries for just hemp will grow?


i meant the number of industries already in place will experience a large growth just from hemp industries. I've already mentioned it a bunch. If you really think that FARM/TEXTILES/TRUCKING/RETAIL wont benefit from AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS, PRODUCED IN AMERICA, SHIPPED IN AMERICA AND EXPORTED FROM AMERICA then your just blind.

If you think America can't benefit from a RENEWABLE and very potent alternative fuel then your just blind.



not only saving money but... what? the money saved by not pursuing, prosecuting, and jailing marijuana offenders alone might be worth it? of course they will save tons of cash. think about how many people are in jail who either were convicted of possession, possession with the intent to distribute or distribution. if you let them out and stop prosecuting new offenders you would eliminate the over-crowding of the jails immediately. not only that, but since they would not be in with other criminals, they would not learn from them and thereby we would not be producing better criminals. think about it: a marijuana convict is in with a burglar for 3 years. the burglar is bound to be sharing his secrets to the marijuana convict and when the MJ convict gets released he has a whole new skillset and might use that knowledge to commit more crimes. you eliminate that completely by not jailing the person in the first place.




yup


i am not convinced that legalizing MJ would carry us far enough to save the economy. there are many other things that need to happen in addition to the new tax.


The groundwork is laid






its just all propaganda. everyone that has bad things to say against marijuana is NOT YOUR FAULT. its the goverments. its 70 years and 3 or 4 generations of smear campaign.


I understand. I Really do. Simple minded folks have no problem moving with the herd....Even if they really are being boarded onto a train to Auschwitz

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this guy looks like he's high.

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The problem that you dont understand is that Marijuana grows on the female version of the hemp plant. You can't have one without the other.

not a problem and not something that i didn't understand. i guess i should have said "two different concentrations of farming. one for marijuana the other for hemp." instead of two different farms. they will be quite different in that they will be concentrating either on the female plant (mj) or male plant (hemp), as there are bound to be different secrets in how to maximize each.

[NastyEllEssWon]

needs to be legalized first


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