View Full Version : TOYOTA CAMRY HYBRID TO PACE COCO-COLA 600!
edpontiac91
05-18-2009, 07:34 PM
How low can NASCAR go now that a Hybrid with a 187-hp, 2.4-liter engine will pace the race and do all other pace duties:rofl:. The PACE CAR was ALWAYS a show piece for the manufacturer to show what the latest and best of the breed is. What's next a 10-speed bicycle? This is a RACE where fans come to watch SPEED, NOT a Jap car that gets an AVERAGE of 33 mpg. Whoppie, I was getting 32 mpg (on the highway) with my 1995 Grand Am GT 6 cyl. Just look at the CAMARO SS that paced the Daytona 500, and the one that will pace the Indy 500. That's a pace car, Speed, Performance, Style and outlandish looks. Some were modified to increase performance and car magazines ate it up. Just my :2cents:
who cares? toyota pays money to have their cars there. let them keep paying money
Knipps
05-18-2009, 07:49 PM
damn 32mph on the highway? how'd you not get run over.
edpontiac91
05-18-2009, 07:56 PM
damn 32mph on the highway? how'd you not get run over.
Yeah, if I had to go to my mother-in-laws house (forced visit) and it's down by Exit 82 on the Parkway. I would set the cruise at 65, go to far right lane and get passed by everything except a ride 'm lawn mower, but it did get that mpg on a straight run. :mrgreen:
Whiplash Performance
05-18-2009, 08:08 PM
Toyota is why i lost 90% interest in NASCAR.
GP99GT
05-18-2009, 08:12 PM
oh no, its new competition...lets not watch it anymore
bobb1589
05-18-2009, 08:19 PM
Yeah, if I had to go to my mother-in-laws house (forced visit) and it's down by Exit 82 on the Parkway. I would set the cruise at 65, go to far right lane and get passed by everything except a ride 'm lawn mower, but it did get that mpg on a straight run. :mrgreen:
no... he meant that you put mph instead of mpg
HeadlessNorseman
05-18-2009, 08:24 PM
i find nascar 90% boring anyways. I use to be into it when i was younger but eh. Camry pacing the cars is super lame though IMO. I mean the toyots ive had were awesome, but they dropped names and models like the celica, mr2, supra, etc. Just comuter cars now, thats all they were ever good for anyways
NastyEllEssWon
05-18-2009, 08:30 PM
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/chevy/145/pacecar5.jpg
not all pacecars are represented by fast cars :nod:
(even though the actual beretta indy had a 3.4 in it and ran a 13.5 1/4 :lol:)
Whiplash Performance
05-18-2009, 08:38 PM
oh no, its new competition...lets not watch it anymore
I liked the fact it was an all American sport. No imports. That's why it made me lose interest and also the fact they completely got rid of the labor day weekend Southern 500. There is no more tradition in NASCAR anymore.
BurninrubberGT
05-18-2009, 09:16 PM
they are gonna have to mod the crap out of it lol
Frosty
05-18-2009, 09:29 PM
Toyota is why i lost 90% interest in NASCAR.
The other 10% is because it sucks and is boring. Yay for watching rednecks drive in circles.
BigAls87Z28
05-18-2009, 09:30 PM
I didnt know there was any tradition in NASCAR?
I didnt know that the Camry hybrid will have the ability to handle this task? That what funny.
edpontiac91
05-18-2009, 09:59 PM
no... he meant that you put mph instead of mpg
fixed!
edpontiac91
05-18-2009, 10:02 PM
I didnt know there was any tradition in NASCAR?
I didnt know that the Camry hybrid will have the ability to handle this task? That what funny.
Most of the time it was a Trans Am or the "NEW" 2000 Monte Carlo or a Corvette or Viper that paced the field. Also just found out it is going to pace the field at Infineon, Chicagoland, Watkins Glen and Martinsville. When are they going to replace hot dogs with sushi. The MAN must be turning in his grave.
NJSPEEDER
05-18-2009, 10:17 PM
I don't see how it makes a difference. There is not a single "stock" based component on any of these "stock" cars anyway. The cars have nothing to do with anything so what is the difference what actual car is in front of them?
This isn't ALMS or GrandAm where it has to make sharp turns and still maintain 60mph average, it is a big oval track. Much like driving down the highway all you have to do is hold your foot down. So being a performance vehicle is of no consequence.
BurninrubberGT
05-18-2009, 10:22 PM
The other 10% is because it sucks and is boring. Yay for watching rednecks drive in circles.
hey hey hey...mark martin is no red neck and could out drive 90% of the racing world :nod:
stewart is a die hard chevy guy and hates toyota...maybe he will wreck the pace car :rofl:
edpontiac91
05-18-2009, 10:29 PM
I don't see how it makes a difference. There is not a single "stock" based component on any of these "stock" cars anyway. The cars have nothing to do with anything so what is the difference what actual car is in front of them?
This isn't ALMS or GrandAm where it has to make sharp turns and still maintain 60mph average, it is a big oval track. Much like driving down the highway all you have to do is hold your foot down. So being a performance vehicle is of no consequence.
Would you rather see a ACR VIPER or a SMART car leading 850 h.p. cars around a racing track? We go to Island or Atco or Raceway Park to see and HEAR really fast cars, and when it comes down to the stock 16-17 second cars race, we all fall asleep.
NJSPEEDER
05-18-2009, 10:30 PM
I think you are giving Mark Martin wwaaaayyyyy too much credit. He is very good and consistent at ovals, but that is about it.
Also, if Tony Stewart hates Toyota so much why were all 6 of his midgets Toyota powered at the Chili Bowl a few years ago? Short answer, he is a driver and what brand/sponsor/car owner means very little to him. If he can get the keys or someone else to foot the bill he could care less what is in it.
NJSPEEDER
05-18-2009, 10:31 PM
Would you rather see a ACR VIPER or a SMART car leading 850 h.p. cars around a racing track? We go to Island or Atco or Raceway Park to see and HEAR really fast cars, and when it comes down to the stock 16-17 second cars race, we all fall asleep.
Are you watching the race for the pace car or is the pace car just a side note to the race?
If you think the quality or importance of a race is based on the pace car then you are doing it wrong.
no matter what the pace car is, if you see too much of it you will complain about the race being bad......so why complain about what it is?
edpontiac91
05-18-2009, 10:40 PM
Are you watching the race for the pace car or is the pace car just a side note to the race?
If you think the quality or importance of a race is based on the pace car then you are doing it wrong.
What your saying is right, it's just a very small role, but it just doesn't fit. You come to a race to get excited and it would be like having a fly over by a group of Piper Cub single engine airplanes. It only lasts for a few seconds, but when those jets come pouring over the field, it's a rush that gets you into the mood. To see those cars being lead out of the pits by a Hybrid is wrong. :shock:
NJSPEEDER
05-18-2009, 10:45 PM
I don't see your point. The pace car is supposed to some how be more exciting than the cars it is leading to the green? Sure, it is easy to put something out there more technologically advanced, but if the pace car enters into the excitement level of the race the driver needs a drug test.
I am at a dirt track nearly every Saturday night all summer, every event of the night is paced by a 5 year old ford pick up with the Bridgeport Speedway written across the side. For all I care they could use the same Saturn SC2 that the URC sprint cars used to use as a pace car. It means nothing to the event, lends nor detracts anything from the excitement, and has nothing to do with the race
bubba428
05-18-2009, 11:09 PM
I don't see how it makes a difference. There is not a single "stock" based component on any of these "stock" cars anyway. The cars have nothing to do with anything so what is the difference what actual car is in front of them?
ummm based on where nascar came from...I'm pretty sure "stock" does reffer to the car being stock. i'm pretty sure it has to do with what the cars were carring in the begining days that they needed to be fast.
ummm based on where nascar came from...I'm pretty sure "stock" does reffer to the car being stock. i'm pretty sure it has to do with what the cars were carring in the begining days that they needed to be fast.
what are you talking about. what "stock car" meant in the 50s and 60s is NOT what it means now.
bubba428
05-18-2009, 11:23 PM
no ****....really? wow...your a ****ing genious...still where the term came from...nascar never was about factory cars...its always been team owners. hendric, roush, evernham and the like. I don't see were manufacturers come into play beside the sticker on the nose and the checks in the mail...you want to see "factory" or lightly modified cars watch CMC series or old Trans Am series.
ok bubba, keep being the internet tough guy. start cursing and acting like a douchebag because someone questioned what you said.....btw, in the 50s and 60s, they shared a lot of "stock" components
bubba428
05-18-2009, 11:29 PM
hey, you wanted to be a sarcastic d-bag don't get pissy when I give you the same attitude.
but yea, there wasnt the same aftermarket we have now. so they had to use a lot of factory parts. like putting heads from one chevy engine on another for higher compression or better flow.
sarcastic? i was pretty much agreeing, but going into more detail
you dont even need to consider modifying motors.........the cars then were built on the factory chassis, now they have stickers.
HeadlessNorseman
05-18-2009, 11:55 PM
I think of it as meaning the cars are from a "stock" more than being stock(as in factory) cars. As in as many of the components are the same, so where driver and pit crew skill are more determinant than cash supply/parts
maroman88
05-19-2009, 12:39 AM
this pace car is just WRONG!.... pace cars have always been an exciting car, one that they make replicas of and sell... i dont see toyota building a replica hybrid pace car and selling it... jsut dont see it happening!
bubba428
05-19-2009, 06:44 AM
you dont even need to consider modifying motors.........the cars then were built on the factory chassis, now they have stickers.
and thats when nascar was worth a damn...so your agreeing that stock cars were more "stock" when thats not what "stock" reffered to, and they are less "stock" now that "stock has taken different meaning?
and yes sarcastic, over our various interactions you tend to be, in general, an ass, not quite *******, but an ass notheless. so don't get pissy when something you say is taken wrong.
WildBillyT
05-19-2009, 07:59 AM
To me it just seems like it's not in the spirit of racing. That's all. Racing is about speed, excitement, and nobody giving a **** about crappy fuel economy or a green environment. Be it F1, Rally, NASCAR, or the NHRA. A hybrid does not belong.
this pace car is just WRONG!.... pace cars have always been an exciting car, one that they make replicas of and sell... i dont see toyota building a replica hybrid pace car and selling it... jsut dont see it happening!
beretta, grand am, grand prix, ford thunderbird, chevy tahoe, dodge daytona, ford fusion sport, ford fusion HYBRID, toyota solara
a bunch of exciting cars right there :lol:
thats right, this isnt the first hybrid to pace a race, omg now what
WildBillyT
05-19-2009, 08:25 AM
beretta, grand am, grand prix, ford thunderbird, chevy tahoe, dodge daytona, ford fusion sport, ford fusion HYBRID, toyota solara
a bunch of exciting cars right there :lol:
thats right, this isnt the first hybrid to pace a race, omg now what
That wasn't in the spirit of racing either. My beef is not that it's a Toyota, or a low powered vehicle- it's that it's a hybrid. Kind of like when people eat a gallon of ice cream and then drink a diet coke with it.
That wasn't in the spirit of racing either. My beef is not that it's a Toyota, or a low powered vehicle- it's that it's a hybrid. Kind of like when people eat a gallon of ice cream and then drink a diet coke with it.
i agree that it just dosent fit, and i agree its against the spirit of the sport.... but im arguing with those saying that pace cars have always been cool exciting cars that could sell as replicas, and im arguing with the people that didnt cry about the last hybrid, but hate this one because of the badge on the grille
WildBillyT
05-19-2009, 09:00 AM
i agree that it just dosent fit, and i agree its against the spirit of the sport.... but im arguing with those saying that pace cars have always been cool exciting cars that could sell as replicas, and im arguing with the people that didnt cry about the last hybrid, but hate this one because of the badge on the grille
That's what I figured. No arguement there. IMO the most heinous of the pace cars was the Quad 4 Beretta in 1990.
Blacdout96
05-19-2009, 09:25 AM
I liked the fact it was an all American sport. No imports. That's why it made me lose interest and also the fact they completely got rid of the labor day weekend Southern 500. There is no more tradition in NASCAR anymore.
Not true. Actually in the 50's NASCAR actually sanctioned races using european cars ( Jaguars, Porsche's, MG's) and actually became a hit. They advertised it as races to find out who was superior. Bill France Sr. Actually had a part in organizing this. There was a big article about this in Vintage Motorsports a few years ago when Toyota came into NASCAR and people complained about how NASCAR has always been domestic cars.
I think you are giving Mark Martin wwaaaayyyyy too much credit. He is very good and consistent at ovals, but that is about it.
Actually Mark is a skilled road course driver as well, and actually won in his class at the Daytona 24hrs. back in the 80's and 90's when Jack Roush ran Mustangs in IMSA. He also is the only driver to win the pole and win the race 3 consecutive times on a road course ( Watkins Glen 93-95) Mark has always been a driver in contention to win, and I feel if 15 years ago Mark would of gone to Hendrick, the championship names would be different. Jack Roush gave him a second chance in NASCAR (Mark ran from 1981-1984, with poor results, so he went back to the ASA). and Mark has alwas been greatful for it.
ummm based on where nascar came from...I'm pretty sure "stock" does reffer to the car being stock. i'm pretty sure it has to do with what the cars were carring in the begining days that they needed to be fast.
Back in the day, actually stock ment no tube frame cars, and no hyped up motors. The cars didnt always run on pavement tracks infact many of them were dirt, so the cars were equipped with beefier suspension, and guards around the car, and what not to handle the tracks. In the first domestic vs. import race, the SCCA was supposed to go against them, but at the last minute they pulled out, so Bill France and the organizers scrambled out and picked up several imports, and were in no way modified, and they were literally shaken apart from the track.
To me it just seems like it's not in the spirit of racing. That's all. Racing is about speed, excitement, and nobody giving a **** about crappy fuel economy or a green environment. Be it F1, Rally, NASCAR, or the NHRA. A hybrid does not belong.
F1 is startign the use the KERS system, and also in the ALMS, teams ar starting to use alternative fuels ( E85) as well as back in 98 I believe, the Panoz team brought a GTR-1 with a hybrid regeneration system in it, but proved to be too heavy at the time, and wasent competative enough. hybrid systems are wanting to be inserted into racing, but if it will take away their edge on the competition, no one wants to use it, they also want to make sure it will be 100% reliable. I think Hybrid systems will one day become the deciding factor of who's got the edge over who, but right now, its still at a crawling pace to try and apply it,so once the racing world sees a hybrid system that is beneficial enough to use, this day and age of crying and grumbling about hybrid cars will be nothing but a distant memory.
WildBillyT
05-19-2009, 09:43 AM
F1 is startign the use the KERS system, and also in the ALMS, teams ar starting to use alternative fuels ( E85) as well as back in 98 I believe, the Panoz team brought a GTR-1 with a hybrid regeneration system in it, but proved to be too heavy at the time, and wasent competative enough. hybrid systems are wanting to be inserted into racing, but if it will take away their edge on the competition, no one wants to use it, they also want to make sure it will be 100% reliable. I think Hybrid systems will one day become the deciding factor of who's got the edge over who, but right now, its still at a crawling pace to try and apply it,so once the racing world sees a hybrid system that is beneficial enough to use, this day and age of crying and grumbling about hybrid cars will be nothing but a distant memory.
My point of contention is that the common hybrid systems that you see on the road today (like the one in the Camry) are not designed with speed or performance in mind. They are designed for economy. Other pace cars had some form of shared ground with performance.
LTb1ow
05-19-2009, 09:47 AM
Sorta like going to a slayer concert and having miley cyrus kick the show off....
WildBillyT
05-19-2009, 09:51 AM
Sorta like going to a slayer concert and having miley cyrus kick the show off....
Or like naming a concert after a Ted Nugent song full of thinly-veiled innuendo and then inviting bubblegum pop singers.
Oh wait...
Frosty
05-19-2009, 09:52 AM
Maybe NASCAR is making political statement...maybe they're trying to get Billy Bob and Peggy Sue to ditch their gas guzzling 70's pickup truck and get a nice, polar bear friendly hybrid so we can all sit around a fire and sing kumbaya.
LTb1ow
05-19-2009, 09:54 AM
Would make sense after the latest MPG/emissions requirements just passed...
Whiplash Performance
05-19-2009, 04:01 PM
Maybe NASCAR is making political statement...maybe they're trying to get Billy Bob and Peggy Sue to ditch their gas guzzling 70's pickup truck and get a nice, polar bear friendly hybrid so we can all sit around a fire and sing kumbaya.
Its not up to NASCAR to decides who paces the field its the sponsor of the track and Lowe's is sponsored by Toyota so Toyota picked the car they want to pace the field. All the American brands usually pick the car they want to market to pace the field, and in most of history its always been a performance car.
Frosty
05-19-2009, 04:14 PM
Ahhh ok...I was just being a wise ass....I could care less what the pace car is in a boring, retarded sport. I don't know the rules really....don't care either. :lol:
NastyEllEssWon
05-19-2009, 08:48 PM
i always thought the job of the pace car was to show off new ideas and the technology of the future....hybrids are just that arent they?
BigAls87Z28
05-20-2009, 12:22 AM
I thought Lowes sponsored Chevy?
I remember Home Depot went Toyota. While I never watch Nascar, I know that I have removed myself from shopping there.
69RSZ
05-20-2009, 06:54 AM
Hey people,how about emailing Dave Dispain on wind tunnel and tell him what you think of Jap cars in a american sport!! here is his email> windtunnel@speedtv.com <windtunnel@speedtv.com> We should give him a email bomb!! And ask why is there so many empty seats at a nascar race? Why is Jimmy Spencer and Kenny wallace pleading for people to come out to the races??? BECAUSE OF TOYOTA THATS WHY!!!
Tell him to get toyota outta nascar!!
Hey people,how about emailing Dave Dispain on wind tunnel and tell him what you think of Jap cars in a american sport!! here is his email> windtunnel@speedtv.com <windtunnel@speedtv.com> We should give him a email bomb!! And ask why is there so many empty seats at a nascar race? Why is Jimmy Spencer and Kenny wallace pleading for people to come out to the races??? BECAUSE OF TOYOTA THATS WHY!!!
Tell him to get toyota outta nascar!!
you sure its not because of the economy? :wink: every sport has had attendance issues this year, it has nothing to do with toyota being there. open your mind a little
I just wanted to :rofl: @ this thread.
Carry on.
BonzoHansen
05-20-2009, 10:27 AM
Toyota Hybrid Breaks Down, Towed Off Track Before NASCAR Event (http://jalopnik.com/5261006/toyota-hybrid-breaks-down-towed-off-track-before-nascar-event)
:lol:
Nominee for Best Comment:
"I prefer the Camaro. It looks so much better hanging from a hook."
WildBillyT
05-20-2009, 10:35 AM
Toyota Hybrid Breaks Down, Towed Off Track Before NASCAR Event (http://jalopnik.com/5261006/toyota-hybrid-breaks-down-towed-off-track-before-nascar-event)
:lol:
Nominee for Best Comment:
"I prefer the Camaro. It looks so much better hanging from a hook."
LOL. Good stuff.
BurninrubberGT
05-20-2009, 02:09 PM
someone on gmi made this pic-
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/23/motivator3f5efa6f56787c.jpg
LOL
maroman88
05-20-2009, 03:03 PM
LOL!!
my fav response... "Time to change the batteries in the OFFICIAL PACEMAKER OF LOWE'S SPEEDWAY?"
69RSZ
05-20-2009, 06:35 PM
you sure its not because of the economy? :wink: every sport has had attendance issues this year, it has nothing to do with toyota being there. open your mind a little
I have an open mind,I could hear the boos when Kyle busch is introduced and every other toyota driver that night at lowes was bood.The people down south are very loyal to their sport and when toyota first came into the truck series attendance went to the doghouse then also.Just looking back thats all I needed to see what is wrong in that sport.I have been watching nascar for 30 years and the people showing up at the races are fewer and fewer.
Blacdout96
05-20-2009, 07:21 PM
If fewer and fewer people are showing up, maybe that's cause the ticket prices were high sky, the food and parking are outrageous, and/or their favorite driver has moved on. NASCAR has changed in the last 15 years from the grassroots of only being beloved by the south to having every product you pick up officially endorsed by NASCAR. I was a fan of NASCAR since I was 7, and I lost intrest in the sport, not cause of the Toyota's but because it lost its origins, it's nothing more then a mere shell of its former self. Where are all the country boys who built the car in their barn, bringng it down to Daytona, or Darlington, and having a chance to race against their idols? now its if you aren't using a Hendrick, or Roush engine, and 7 figures to blow a week, you'll never have a chance. Hell Darlington was cut to one race a year! .
The first Dover race I went to cost us 25 bucks a ticket, and last year was the final year I renewed my tickets, and were 95 dollars a piece! Forget it, whats the point of putting down $100 to go see something I'm not as interested in anymore. (I'm a huge fan of Mark Martin) I don't know what NASCAR you're watching, but pretty sure having a different car manufacturer coming to a race is not gonna keep the average gung ho fan from coming to the race. I don't know what they are protesting , but it isn't working.
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