so who else got a seat belt ticket this weekend?

[alamantia]

Leaving the hospital with a broken toe and a wrist band doped up on viccodin Im at a red light. Soon as it turn green the lights go on I gett pulled over. Stupid me didnt even pull out my PBA card cause i didnt even know what i was even getting pulled over for. He says "is there any reason you arent wearing your seat belt?" my mind saying "yeah, im really fuggin high" but figuring that wasnt a good reply, my answer was more like "uhhhhhh..." hes like "i thought so and went back to his car to write me up. I always forget memorial day should be called seatbelt day

[jims69camaro]

that and they have been flooding the media with their advertisements that they will be stepping up enforcement. sucks a duck to have to pay a ticket, especially one that should be a reflex when you get into a car as the driver or passenger. the snit of it is, if you had given him the story about the hospital, he might have let you go - then again, he might have written a DUI, so you were better off not talking out of turn.

[69BirdX]

Cops never wear seatbelts. Sucks but atleast it isnt an expensive ticket more of a hassle

[madness410]

what a dick..i am in no means anti-law enforcement but some officers really have no reason to treat people with disrespect...'i thought so' and thats it? come on.

sometimes people have legit excuses for not wearing their seatbelts, i was hangin with this girl last night who lately has been having kidney problems...she was experiencing really sharp pains last night and took her seatbelt off for 3-4 minutes to relieve some of the pressure off her waist, i offered to drive but it was back on before i knew it. i still think you should have told him your mind wasnt in the right place because you just left the hospital.

[Jam]

eh. ^^^ would you rather have sharp kidney pain or to fly out your window and hit a tree? that's why its so imperative to click your seatbelt in. but I do agree that it's absurd to have a law forcing us to do so

[WildBillyT]

I'd say that 99% of the time I am wearing a seat belt I forget it's even on.

[1QWIKBIRD]

It's a complete BS law not there to protect, but only to collect revenue. Easy $$$ for law enforcement and a way invade you personal space and rights and see what other things they can nail you on.

If their interst was truly to save lives and such, then how come you don't have to ride a motorcycle in full leathers, gloves, full face helmet, boots over the ankle etc....?????

Its crap as a primary offfense, secondary its fine. They should be less worried about the seatbelts and more about the people on their damn phone and texting and such.....that is truly dangerous.

Chris
(getting of the soap box now)

[Frosty]

It's a complete BS law not there to protect, but only to collect revenue. Easy $$$ for law enforcement and a way invade you personal space and rights and see what other things they can nail you on.

If their interst was truly to save lives and such, then how come you don't have to ride a motorcycle in full leathers, gloves, full face helmet, boots over the ankle etc....?????

Its crap as a primary offfense, secondary its fine. They should be less worried about the seatbelts and more about the people on their damn phone and texting and such.....that is truly dangerous.

Chris
(getting of the soap box now)

:werd: I wear mine all the time, even if I'm only driving around the corner for food...but I still think it should be up to me to make the CHOICE to wear one.

It's a money maker, plain and simple...they don't give a rats ass about safety.

[Tsar]

Leaving the hospital with a broken toe and a wrist band doped up on viccodin Im at a red light. Soon as it turn green the lights go on I gett pulled over. Stupid me didnt even pull out my PBA card cause i didnt even know what i was even getting pulled over for. He says "is there any reason you arent wearing your seat belt?" my mind saying "yeah, im really fuggin high" but figuring that wasnt a good reply, my answer was more like "uhhhhhh..." hes like "i thought so and went back to his car to write me up. I always forget memorial day should be called seatbelt day
so you're complaining for not getting a driving under the influence ticket? cool...

[qwikz28]

i almost got a front plate ticket. cop was very nice though, i do plan on putting it back on but laziness owns me. i have an SLP bracket and it broke off when I rocked a parking block at 6am one morning. darn...

[enRo]

The few Rt 206 checkpoints were insane on Saturday morning. Watched some woman behind me cry after a cop walked up to her at a red light and said "Pull into this parking lot, mam, for not wearing your seatbelt" :rofl:

[mc73nova]

Seat belt ticket. I didn't put up a fight because I wasn't wearing it. When he came back and handed me the ticket he said "you should wear your seat belt all the time, there are check points everywhere and I'm sure you can't afford it" What the **** was the point of him saying that. I felt like telling him to go **** himself but he can say whatever he wants because he is a cop. **** him and the rest of them who have a tough man complex.

I never wear mine and will continue to do so. There are terrible things that can happen to you with or without your seat belt on, I have seen it first hand. Like others have said before, its just to make some extra cash. It is a bull $h!t law.

I'm done!

[my82roc]

Personally I hate wearing a seatbelt.Been driving for 28 years now and I think its rediculous that they have a law for this.Ive gotten pulled over twice in NJ about 2-3 years ago for no seatbelt.Now I just suck it up and wear it when I cross into NJ,DE,MD or wherever else its a primary.Im tired of giving extra revenue to a state for something that should be your own personal choice.I cant stand seatbelts as they are very annoying and uncomfortable to wear.Cars have been around for over 100 years and now its mandatory to wear seatbelts.What a bunch of crap.Im sure Im not the only one who feels that its a violation of your personal freedom of choice.Thank god here in PA its a secondary.

[maroman88]

cant blame the cops for this weekend.... the state provides money to pay for over time for the click it or ticket campaign.... if overtime was offered to u, wouldnt u take it??

[Tsar]

cant blame the cops for this weekend.... the state provides money to pay for over time for the click it or ticket campaign.... if overtime was offered to u, wouldnt u take it??

people are always butter about their own stupidity. It's much easier to blame someone else.

[Frosty]

Thank god here in PA its a secondary.

I thought it was primary now? They had Street Road down to one lane the other night doing seat belt checks from 3-11PM...and yes...there were 7 cops out there...:lol:

[mc73nova]

people are always butter about their own stupidity. It's much easier to blame someone else.

I am not butter at all, I just didn't need his comment after the ticket.

[my82roc]

I thought it was primary now? They had Street Road down to one lane the other night doing seat belt checks from 3-11PM...and yes...there were 7 cops out there...:lol:

I didnt hear anything about that........
Buckle Up Pennsylvania
Buckle Up PA is a project funded through the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation dedicated to raising the seat belt usage level in Pennsylvania through increased enforcement, public awareness and education. The partnership is comprised of municipal police departments, the Pennsylvania State Police, PennDOT, the US Department of Transportation and community groups and organizations.

Seat Belt Enforcement Regions

Pennsylvania Seat Belt Law
Safety Belt Use Law
Primary Enforcement
Section 4581 (a)(3) Restraint Systems

A driver who is under 18 may not operate a motor vehicle in which the number of passengers exceeds the number of available seat belts in the vehicle. (Primary)
FINE: $10.00 plus CAT, EMS, and JCP- no court costs assessed.


Secondary Enforcement
Section 4581 (a)(2) Restraint Systems

Driver and all front seat passengers must be restrained.
Drivers are responsible for themselves and to secure all children from 8 years of age up to 18 years of age in a seat belt system any where in the vehicle.
Exemptions include carriers of medical or psychological excuses signed by a physician, rural letter carriers, deliverers of goods or service vehicle operators driving at speeds less than 15 mph and making frequent stops, drivers, and front seat passengers of automobiles manufactured before July 1, 1966.
FINE: $10.00 plus CAT, EMS and JCP when convicted of a primary offense.

[NastyEllEssWon]

i shouldve posted a thread about this...lol...the last week has been ''click it or ticket'' week with the state troopers emphasizing the seatbelt law this week....i just didnt pass it along...next time i will :nod:

[Frosty]

.....

Ahhh, ok...that makes sense...I thought it was primary in PA.

i shouldve posted a thread about this...lol...the last week has been ''click it or ticket'' week with the state troopers emphasizing the seatbelt law this week....i just didnt pass it along...next time i will :nod:

We usually ignore your posts anyway...:mrgreen::wink:

[TaKid455]

rode the bike. no seat belts here:-P

[madness410]

eh. ^^^ would you rather have sharp kidney pain or to fly out your window and hit a tree? that's why its so imperative to click your seatbelt in. but I do agree that it's absurd to have a law forcing us to do so

well i mean for 3-4 minutes to relieve some pain, plus the way she was driving, 2 or 3 mph over the speed limit and where we were odds of getting into an accident like that would be just about the odds of you getting struck by lightning while holding a winning powerball ticket.

Im tired of giving extra revenue to a state for something that should be your own personal choice.

i believe the state does it to lower costs to other people, not mainly for your own personal safety. figure you get rear ended by someone and you arent wearing your seatbelt and your face gets smashed into the windsheild, the medical bills would be high and the person who rear ended you would have to go through their insurance to pay for your medical bill. but if you were wearing your seatbelt odds are that wouldnt happen and the person who caused the accident wouldnt need to pay a severe medical bill. or something like that.

[BonzoHansen]

The ticket thing is a revenue generator for sure.

But your an idiot if you don't wear a seat belt.

[LTb1ow]

The ticket thing is a revenue generator for sure.

But your an idiot if you don't wear a seat belt.


Darwinism ftw.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by my82roc View Post
Im tired of giving extra revenue to a state for something that should be your own personal choice.



i read that as...


''its my choice to fly face first through my windshield''

[qwikz28]

The ticket thing is a revenue generator for sure.

But your an idiot if you don't wear a seat belt.

my lady friend doesn't let me back the car out without a seatbelt on. she can say with reasonable certainty that it saved her life a few years back when someone ran her off the highway and her car rolled. you are an idiot if you do not wear a seatbelt indeed.

[madness410]

im in no means anti-seatbelt wearing but there are also stories where lives have been saved in an accident by not wearing seatbelts

[BonzoHansen]

im in no means anti-seatbelt wearing but there are also stories where lives have been saved in an accident by not wearing seatbelts

Yeah, 1 in 10000000 instances. Wanna buy a bridge?

[sweetbmxrider]

trikes ftw! and i always wear a seatbelt, maybeeee if i'm moving in the driveway or something stupid like that i won't. on the road, always got it on.

how much is said bridge?

[madness410]

Yeah, 1 in 10000000 instances. Wanna buy a bridge?

please site your statistic. and i already bought a bridge last week.

[BonzoHansen]

Don't be a moron. You brought up ******** anecdotal nonsense when you said "there are also stories where lives have been saved in an accident by not wearing seatbelts". You go prove your point. I think anyone in their right mind knows seat belts save lives.

There are stories of saskwatch too. Go find him while you're at it. Maybe he's wearing his seat belt.

[LTb1ow]

And to be on topic, I did not get a ticket for lack of seatbelt, cause, I wear mine.

Anyone read the paper? There was a cobalt that was in an accident and the driver was thrown 55 ft.... I guess that was his god given right? ....

[BonzoHansen]

Yup. And it is our 'right' to pay the excess in medical costs via increased insurance costs and such.

[LTb1ow]

Just a quick search, it came up with no .orgs or .edu so this may be off...

"On average, inpatient hospital care costs for an unbelted crash victim are 50 percent higher than those for a belted crash victim. Society bears 85 percent of those costs, not the individuals involved. Every American pays about $580 a year toward the cost of crashes. If everyone buckled up, this figure would drop significantly.

By reaching the goal of 90 percent seat belt use, and 25 percent reduction in child fatalities, we will save $8.8 billion annually."

[WildBillyT]

Let's put it this way. Nobody would care that you don't wear your seatbelt if the EMTs were allowed to let your dumb ass bleed and die for being a retard. But they aren't. So because you choose to not wear safety equipment everybody in your area has to pay to clean up the mess you create.

[WildBillyT]

Just a quick search, it came up with no .orgs or .edu so this may be off...

"On average, inpatient hospital care costs for an unbelted crash victim are 50 percent higher than those for a belted crash victim. Society bears 85 percent of those costs, not the individuals involved. Every American pays about $580 a year toward the cost of crashes. If everyone buckled up, this figure would drop significantly.

By reaching the goal of 90 percent seat belt use, and 25 percent reduction in child fatalities, we will save $8.8 billion annually."

I was too slow. But thank you for solidifying my point.

[LTb1ow]

The state even gives you a nice constant reminder...

[sweetbmxrider]

noice! though different stickers have different things.....

[LTb1ow]

Damn it!

[69BirdX]

The ticket thing is a revenue generator for sure.

But your an idiot if you don't wear a seat belt.

agreed ha ha

[sweetbmxrider]

Damn it!

You mean I coulda gotten the don't drink and drive motto? Ugh, damn you DMV.

its not like you get to choose, you get what you get.

[Crayface]

You were lucky you didnt get a DUI, Vicoden is a narcotic and under the influence of a narcotic can grant you a DUI, im suprised the hospital let you drive, i work at one and once someone takes a narcotic we make sure they have a ride home.


im in no means anti-seatbelt wearing but there are also stories where lives have been saved in an accident by not wearing seatbelts

My Best friend in high schools brother died in a car accident on a sunday afternoon on the parkway because he was wearing a seatbelt.....his dad who was in the car was saved because he was ejected out of the vehicle....

[sweetbmxrider]

so who is to say he wasn't ejected out of the car and onto his head?? sorry bout the loss but you can't say he would have lived if the seat belt wasn't on.

[Crayface]

Oh i know what your saying, im not taking any side to this arguement, i wear my seat belt all the time but it was just an example of when the seatbelt killed someone.

[BonzoHansen]

Welcome to the 1 in 10000000. Although you assume he would have survived if he had been ejected - if he would have even been ejected. Not every person whop does not wear a belt is ejected.

My condolences to your friend's family & friends.

[shane27]

i got one on monday morning by a state trooper

he goes something about "giving seat belt tickets isnt the highlight of my career" blah blah. he asked me twice why i wasnt wearing my seatbelt. i just said i always wear it and forgot to put it on.

i was ****ing pissed when he came back with the ticket, i didnt say a word to him.

[Syzygy]

figure you get rear ended by someone and you arent wearing your seatbelt and your face gets smashed into the windsheild...

how hard would you need to be rear ended for your face to hit the windshield? im pretty sure youd be decapitated by then.

[Crayface]

how hard would you need to be rear ended for your face to hit the windshield? im pretty sure youd be decapitated by then.

not that hard....i was rear ended when i didnt have my seat belt on and my fore head smacked the windshield.... hence why i wear it now lol. you would be suprised by how hard an impact feels at such slow speeds like 20 mph.

[alamantia]

You were lucky you didnt get a DUI, Vicoden is a narcotic and under the influence of a narcotic can grant you a DUI, im suprised the hospital let you drive, i work at one and once someone takes a narcotic we make sure they have a ride home.

They had me wait 90min

[NastyEllEssWon]

meh i dont care about the seat belt law anyway, just wish it would become a secondary offense and not able to be pulled over for it

[BonzoHansen]

how hard would you need to be rear ended for your face to hit the windshield? im pretty sure youd be decapitated by then.

Yeah, not as fast as you are thinking. Lot of factors involved like how far from the w/s you are - if you have a closer w/s less or oen with a 40' dash like a Lumina APV or a 4th gen then maybe a little harder - although the steering wheel tastes bad too. I'd bet 20-25 is all it would take.

[madness410]

i mean i hear the rule of thumb of speed is going 20 mph and hitting something is like falling 2 stories

[91chevywt]

Cops never wear seatbelts. Sucks but atleast it isnt an expensive ticket more of a hassle


The cops I know of do...if they get into an accident and don't have their seatbelt on they can suffer some big consequences with insurance

[madness410]

yeah but cops will talk on their cell phones obviously and haul ass down the parkway all the time

[SuperSweet]

what everyone has to remember is that driving a motor vehicle is a privelage granted by the goverment. If they have rules, you should follow them in respect of being given that privelage. Its just like saying 25mph speed zones are too slow..but its for the safety of others, not just the one person behind the wheel.

[Formulalt1]

what everyone has to remember is that driving a motor vehicle is a privelage granted by the goverment. If they have rules, you should follow them in respect of being given that privelage. Its just like saying 25mph speed zones are too slow..but its for the safety of others, not just the one person behind the wheel.
I think I just grew a vagina reading this post :-P. Do you also send thank you cards to the IRS for not taking more? :rofl:.

[SuperSweet]

And there was a local cop in my town that hit and killed a pedestrian while recklessly speeding down a county road without his lights on..Unfortunately some officers feel they are above the law... at the same time though, I'm sure that when your held up at gunpoint the responding officer isnt really worried about putting on his seatbelt

[Frosty]

Speed limits protect the public, seat belt laws are for the individual...it should be up to the individual to make the choice to wear their seat belt which is the point people were trying to make.

If I don't wear my seat belt(even though I do 100% of the time) that's my choice and puts no one else in danger. Much different than doing 50mph in a 25 zone. ;)

[SuperSweet]

I think I just grew a vagina reading this post :-P. Do you also send thank you cards to the IRS for not taking more? :rofl:.

Talk about a mature response for a factful statement...dick

[LTb1ow]

What about parents not informing their kids?

Doesn't that put them in danger?

[SuperSweet]

Speed limits benefit the public, seat belt laws are for the individual...it should be up to the individual to make the choice to wear their seat belt which is the point people were trying to make.

If I don't wear my seat belt(even though I do 100% of the time) that's my choice and puts no one else in danger. Much different than doing 50mph in a 25 zone. ;)

I agree with that too..I feel that the choice should be left up to me for my own personaly safety inside my car. But like points brought up earlier, people must be paid to clean you brains off the asphalt. I think that they market the whole thing as "its for you safety" but that really means "we dont want to wipe you off the street anymore"

[Formulalt1]

Talk about a mature response for a factful statement...dick
Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off as assholish as it did but some towns go crazy with the 15 - 25 MPH zones everywhere and the speed bumps on every side street. The stopping distance between 40 MPH and 25 MPH isn't going to mean much in either event unless someone jumps directly infront of your car and in either event you are going to cause damage.

[SuperSweet]

Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off as assholish as it did but some towns go crazy with the 15 - 25 MPH zones everywhere and the speed bumps on every side street. The stopping distance between 40 MPH and 25 MPH isn't going to mean much in either event unless someone jumps directly infront of your car and in either event you are going to cause damage.

Those speed zones are usually because the houses are closer to the streets. In which case a child could be playing and suddenly chase a ball or something into the street without looking for traffic...which goes with your "someone jumps directly in front of you car".

[BonzoHansen]

SuperSweet had such a good post I thought I was at a different forum.

Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off as assholish as it did but some towns go crazy with the 15 - 25 MPH zones everywhere and the speed bumps on every side street. The stopping distance between 40 MPH and 25 MPH isn't going to mean much in either event unless someone jumps directly infront of your car and in either event you are going to cause damage.

Stay the **** out of my neighborhood. I'm pretty sure the extra 10-25 feet needed to stop matters. Although I'm sure the 15 seconds you save doing 40 over 25 outweighs a child's life.

Speed limits protect the public, seat belt laws are for the individual...it should be up to the individual to make the choice to wear their seat belt which is the point people were trying to make.

If I don't wear my seat belt(even though I do 100% of the time) that's my choice and puts no one else in danger. Much different than doing 50mph in a 25 zone. Your choice costs me $$ as already noted.

[Formulalt1]

Stay the **** out of my neighborhood. I'm pretty sure the extra 10-25 feet needed to stop matters. Although I'm sure the 15 seconds you save doing 40 over 25 outweighs a child's life.
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I am not talking about in school zones and I did not say that I do 40 in a 25. I am saying in annoys me in places where it is unneeded. A young child playing by the street might run out into the road but that isn't the case everywhere and there are houses right off the highway with kids in a ton of locations, should highways have 15MPH limits?

[BonzoHansen]

If there are 25 zones there is usually a reason. Granted not always, But usually.

[Formulalt1]

If there are 25 zones there is usually a reason. Granted not always, But usually.
There are entire towns that have 25 MPH zones and there are side streets by me that have speed bumps 5 miles down the road from a school (with nothing but woods on either side of the road for a mile stretch), now are you telling me its really necessary for me to have to go another way cause with my car I will bottom out more than 1 mile down the road from a elementary school?. Are you saying that, that would not annoy you?. I love the think about the children arguments, that people throw out for every circumstance these days. I like to drive 40, so I want to kill a kid :rofl:.,

[BonzoHansen]

You don't want to kill a kid, you just care about no one but your narcissistic self. Your time is precious.

If they spent $$ for speed bumps then there is a history of problems. You can argue 25 zones may sometimes be $$ generators, but speed bumps are not. They are somewhat costly and around here the emergency responders do not like them as they slow them down too.

[SuperSweet]

school zones generally end AT LEAST within a 1 miles radius of the school, after such a schoolbus is required. And with a school bus, they dont want you doing 40mph down a road with a bus stopped letting children out to go home. There is ALWAYS a reason for such speed limits.

[Formulalt1]

You don't want to kill a kid, you just care about no one but your narcissistic self. Your time is precious.
I don't feel like having a internet spat since it usually makes both partys look like retards but for someone who never met me and is basing his opinion off of what, maybe 5 - 10 posts of mine you read. You must be one hell of a judge of character. Sorry for giving my opinion guys.

[SuperSweet]

I don't feel like having a internet spat since it usually makes both partys look like retards but for someone who never met me and is basing his opinion off of what, maybe 5 - 10 posts of mine you read. You must be one hell of a judge of character. Sorry for giving my opinion guys.

dont have a hissy fit formula. He's basing his opinion of you off the posts that you've made..I wouldnt take this debate personal because thats all it is..a debate. One should only get involved in such if they have the facts. What you've said doesnt really have any legs to stand on, which is why your getting the responses your getting.

[Formulalt1]

dont have a hissy fit formula. He's basing his opinion of you off the posts that you've made..I wouldnt take this debate personal because thats all it is..a debate. One should only get involved in such if they have the facts. What you've said doesnt really have any legs to stand on, which is why your getting the responses your getting.
Hissy fit?, Doesn't have a leg to stand on?. You mean in your opinion. So, does that mean everything you don't agree with is wrong?. I said that in spots that are unnecessary it annoys me to have speed bumps or a 15 - 25MPH zone. I think without specifically seeing the area with your own eyes or being in the same exact position just assuming you are right is the equalivent of just not wanting to hear anyone elses opinion on the matter. Sure if a guy goes speeding down a school zone doing 60 and hits a kid, I will be first one on the bandwagon saying lynch him up but a guy trying to get home on a long day having to go a different way cause there is a school miles down the road that isn't even open kinda annoys me. Did having that specific bump there save a kids life, I can't say for certain it did not but you guys can't say for sure you wouldn't be a little pissed as well.

[madness410]

maybe they have speed bumps in that area not for kids but maybe there is a history of street racing on that particular road or a bunch of families of deer in those woods

[SuperSweet]

Hissy fit?, Doesn't have a leg to stand on?. You mean in your opinion. So, does that mean everything you don't agree with is wrong?. I said that in spots that are unnecessary it annoys me to have speed bumps or a 15 - 25MPH zone. I think without specifically seeing the area with your own eyes or being in the same exact position just assuming you are right is the equalivent of just not wanting to hear anyone elses opinion on the matter. Sure if a guy goes speeding down a school zone doing 60 and hits a kid, I will be first one on the bandwagon saying lynch him up but a guy trying to get home on a long day having to go a different way cause there is a school miles down the road that isn't even open kinda annoys me. Did having that specific bump there save a kids life, I can't say for certain it did not but you guys can't say for sure you wouldn't be a little pissed as well.

Sorry, I didnt mean that to sound as assholish as it did..i take plenty of detours for the sake of my car..if you want to get home that fast then just fly down those streets and catch some air..possibly get someone stuck in the grill, OR, take your usual detour. speed bumps are MEANT to be an annoyance, one that keeps you from speeding for WHATEVER reason they put them there to begin with. That road may not be a threat now, but it must have been at one point for them to spend the money and manpower to lay them down. Im sure that if they were considered that much of an annoyance by the general population/local residents, then they would have them removed if they saw fit.
And your arguement of it being annoying is why I say "it doesnt have any legs to stand on". Not because I disagree with you. I will be the first person to admit when I'm wrong or just simply disagree. When your arguement gets to that point I will accept and admit it.

[Formulalt1]

Sorry, I didnt mean that to sound as assholish as it did..
Touche :rofl:, I am not one to completely dismiss a difference of opinion as being wrong but I feel that this country has reached a point where it is law crazy and everything is treated as a federal offense. Most drivers in there lifetime will get a traffic violation, does that mean they put there owns immediate needs ahead of everyone else or don't care about the safety of others?. I have heard judges while on the bench admit to speeding themselves cause they just didn't realize, does that mean they are unfit to carry out there job?. I said before I love the argument think about the children cause it is greatly over used, sure you can say speeding in a child at play zone could kill a kid but what about the guy doing 75 - 80MPH instead of 55 or 65 on the garden state?. I could use other examples of laws that are out of control (hell look at people put on sex offender lists for urinating in public) but I am losing interest in arguing on this one.

[BobonaStick]

maybe they have speed bumps in that area not for kids but maybe there is a history of street racing on that particular road or a bunch of families of deer in those woods

There are actually areas that have speed bumps that were put in due to a kid who hit a pole around here from street racing. Yes they are annoying, from the point of view of both a career driver and emergency responder, but they are worth it.

[Formulalt1]

There are actually areas that have speed bumps that were put in due to a kid who hit a pole around here from street racing. Yes they are annoying, from the point of view of both a career driver and emergency responder, but they are worth it.
OK, so anyplace that people have street raced should have speed bumps?. Good to know, I guess we will be getting speed bumps and a 15MPH limit on highways. I think (as in just my opinion)the general public has become very narrow minded and brainwashed.

If you live in a residential area and do not let your child know to not play by the street or better yet go in the street, you are unfit to be a parent. If said child goes in the street not listening to you (as kids do sometimes) and gets hit its tragic and hopefully no matter how fast the vehicle is traveling (cause we all know that kids live in area's that have all kinds of speed limits) it will leave enough reaction time to not cause any serious injury.

You see one case of whatever it may be (drunk driving, street racing, person hitting someone while talking on a cell phone, guy speeding in a school zone) and its automatically something needs to be done about this and things go overboard. Schools have bus drivers, crossing guards, lunch aides and so on and so on to make sure your kids are protected both in school and on there way home. If your young child wonders out into the street on the schools watch its cause someone isn't doing there job. Ok, I am done with this thread but unless you guys want to live in a country that treats you like a cash monkey that has no rights, some of your thinking needs to change. Peace

[BobonaStick]

OK, so anyplace that people have street raced should have speed bumps?. Good to know, I guess we will be getting speed bumps and a 15MPH limit on highways. I think (as in just my opinion)the general public has become very narrow minded and brainwashed.

If you live in a residential area and do not let your child know to not play by the street or better yet go in the street, you are unfit to be a parent. If said child goes in the street not listening to you (as kids do sometimes) and gets hit its tragic and hopefully no matter how fast the vehicle is traveling (cause we all know that kids live in area's that have all kinds of speed limits) it will leave enough reaction time to not cause any serious injury.

You see one case of whatever it may be (drunk driving, street racing, person hitting someone while talking on a cell phone, guy speeding in a school zone) and its automatically something needs to be done about this and things go overboard. Schools have bus drivers, crossing guards, lunch aides and so on and so on to make sure your kids are protected both in school and on there way home. If your young child wonders out into the street on the schools watch its cause someone isn't doing there job. Ok, I am done with this thread but unless you guys want to live in a country that treats you like a cash monkey that has no rights, some of your thinking needs to change. Peace


I wasn't attacking you for your opinion, actually I was going to agree with the fact that there aren't enough smart people to do the right thing without the government holding there hands and making the world idiot safe

[Formulalt1]

I wasn't attacking you for your opinion, actually I was going to agree with the fact that there aren't enough smart people to do the right thing without the government holding there hands and making the world idiot safe
Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant then. My bad :wink:.

[alamantia]

All i did was ask who else got a ticket

[69RSZ]

I dont wear a seatbelt.But then when I think about it if something shoud happen and I get severly injured and knocked out during a accident and the cop does find me without a seatbelt on he will put that on the report right? So the insurance company might say I was negligent and 50% of my hospital bill I shoud be responable for because i wasnt wearing my seatbelt!! Maybe that can happen if the accident isnt your fault and your sueing for injuries but the lawers for the other side say your injuries are your fault because you werent wearing your seatbelt? So even though my client went thru a red light you cant get any pain and suffering compansation moneys because you werent wearing a seatbelt!! I do agree its a revenue thing and its just another way for the JACK-BOOTED THUGS (cops) to stop you to see what else they can find and invade your privacy but a seatbelt can save your life also.I dont like checkpoints or what I call NAZI ROADBLOCKS but its their ball and we got to play by their rules.

[91chevywt]

All i did was ask who else got a ticket

I did this time last year...same deal I suppose. Putting my seat belt on as I was leaving a Burger King (got sick afterwards) the cop saw me and wouldn't cut me a break, because I didn't have it on right when my tires hit the road. It was a State Trooper if that means anything.

[karr95]

I saw a few cops standing around at lights, I guess waiting to bag people.

This law is all about revenue. If it were up to me, if you are over 18 you shouldn't have to wear a seatbelt or helmet for a motorcycle, make it your choice. Population control ;)

[dan]

i've been in 4 accidents which totalled vehicles, 1 was a rollover, 1 was a near rollover, and the other 2 were incidents where another vehicle F'd mine up royally
not one was i ever wearing a seatbelt..i do not and will not wear a seatbelt..thats MY business..if i get hurt, i deal with the consequences
every time the police asked "were you wearing your seatbelt" and i of course lied through my teeth and said yes..and every time ..predictable as could be they proceeded to tell me how lucky i was that i did wear it bc i would have been seriously hurt blah blah if i hadn't been buckled in.....
the only time a seatbelt goes on me is if i see lights in my rear view..

[WildBillyT]

i do not and will not wear a seatbelt..thats MY business..if i get hurt, i deal with the consequences


And that's where you are wrong. If you get hurt, all of the taxpayers in your area have to pay.

[BonzoHansen]

And that's where you are wrong. If you get hurt, all of the taxpayers in your area have to pay.And policy holders.

[dan]

i pay taxes and insurance too...as i said..my business

[WildBillyT]

i pay taxes and insurance too...as i said..my business

And that's where you are wrong. If you are in a wreck, and get messed up "extra" for not wearing your belt then the materials, team of people, and all other things used to patch you up or save your ass come out of taxpayer money. As far as insurance, they don't have a magical money tree either- all the money used to pay your "extra" medical bills comes from other policy holder's pockets. What you pay in taxes and insurance premiums does not even come close to the amount that is paid out on your behalf.

Go ahead and do what you wish as far as wearing your belt is concerned. Your decision, not mine. But you should get your facts straight about who suffers based on your decision.

[sweetbmxrider]

All i did was ask who else got a ticket

:rofl: this is nj debating f-body owner's association. derr

[FlyingDutchman]

about 2 years ago my cousin was involved in a serious accident. ford explorer on the highway doin about 65 missed the exit but still tried to take the turn resulting in a rollover. she was in the passenger seat, next to the driver with 3 friends in the back. all but the two guys siting behind her (on the sides) were wearing a seatbelt. and wouldnt you know it the two guys behind her were ejected out of the windows, one was beheaded right there. the driver, my cousin, and the other passenger (in the middle of the bench) all survived despite some broken bones and cuts.

point being seatbelts do save lives, maybe you may get lucky in some previous accidents, but all it takes is a minor misjudgement like that and your gone (and maybe your passengers as well).

[dan]

And that's where you are wrong. If you are in a wreck, and get messed up "extra" for not wearing your belt then the materials, team of people, and all other things used to patch you up or save your ass come out of taxpayer money. As far as insurance, they don't have a magical money tree either- all the money used to pay your "extra" medical bills comes from other policy holder's pockets. What you pay in taxes and insurance premiums does not even come close to the amount that is paid out on your behalf.

Go ahead and do what you wish as far as wearing your belt is concerned. Your decision, not mine. But you should get your facts straight about who suffers based on your decision.

actually the insurance company DOES have a money tree...ME, i've been paying in...way more then i should for the 10 yrs i've been driving..i've only once ever gotten anything back and that was a meager $1000 when my car was hit by a deer
only one of the accidents i've been in were in any way my fault..and that one wasn't even really bc it was mechanical failure w/in the vehicle....so i think my insurance company would owe me anyway...
and like i said..i pay taxes as well..so i have as much right to the services that they are used to pay for as anyone else

[NastyEllEssWon]

it really boils down to the fact of IF YOU HAVE KIDS OR NOT. i used to hate 25 mph speed limits and wonder whats the difference. 10 years later, with a 6 year old boy i see the need for these streets.



the reason some towns such as Allentown NJ has 25 mph speed limits in their whole town is because their whole town is residential. if you see houses on each side of you...then your gonna be that its gonna be a low speed limit.



formula

If you live in a residential area and do not let your child know to not play by the street or better yet go in the street, you are unfit to be a parent. If said child goes in the street not listening to you (as kids do sometimes) and gets hit its tragic


thats the most disgusting post ive seen you make in this whole thread. Do you think a parent wants their child to run into the street and get hit by a car? No. Kids play. They play in their front yards...they play touch football in the streets. they have basketball hoops on the curbs and skateboards on the sidewalks....accidents happen.


if you say that you never played in the streets then your a liar

[BonzoHansen]

Insurance is not a dollar-for-dollar deal. I know some think that way and that is why they make $1500 claims on homeowner policies and then wonder why they got non-renewed. In a nutshell, the premise of insurance is we all throw a few bucks in the pot and if anyone needs it the funds are there for them if something big arises. Problem is if the amount needed in the pot goes up we all have to pay more. Thus your decision takes my money and therefore no longer just your business.

[dan]

i never said it was dollar for dollar, however i've been paying in and if/when the time should come that i need to withdraw..being as i was forced to throw my money into the pot..and it definitely wasn't voluntary..i dont feel bad in the slightest about making a withdrawal if it were necessary

[sweetbmxrider]

nasty, didn't you just recently get pulled over for spirited driving? speak from actions my friend

[mc73nova]

i never said it was dollar for dollar, however i've been paying in and if/when the time should come that i need to withdraw..being as i was forced to throw my money into the pot..and it definitely wasn't voluntary..i dont feel bad in the slightest about making a withdrawal if it were necessary

It doesnt matter what you say, they will always have a response and in their eyes it will be the correct one. Good luck.

[BonzoHansen]

i never said it was dollar for dollar, however i've been paying in and if/when the time should come that i need to withdraw..being as i was forced to throw my money into the pot..and it definitely wasn't voluntary..i dont feel bad in the slightest about making a withdrawal if it were necessary

I totally agree, it is there to w/d when needed. You should use it as it is intended, I certainly would. The point BIlly & I were making is when people decide not to use belts it impacts more than just the person not wearing the belt. It makes that pot you are forced to throw $ into bigger.

[NastyEllEssWon]

nasty, didn't you just recently get pulled over for spirited driving? speak from actions my friend




in a 60 mph highway zone with no traffic :nod:




edit: if your gonna play...know where to play

[BonzoHansen]

edit: if your gonna play...know where to playLet us know when you figure that out. :lol:

[WildBillyT]

I totally agree, it is there to w/d when needed. You should use it as it is intended, I certainly would. The point BIlly & I were making is when people decide not to use belts it impacts more than just the person not wearing the belt. It makes that pot you are forced to throw $ into bigger.

Yeah, that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Not looking to cruicify anybody, just throwing some facts out.

As an example, if somebody with basic coverage has a kid who is not wearing their belt gets into a nasty accident and the kid is in a coma, who pays the massive medical expenses? You and I do, one way or the other. If the kid were to belt up and the expenses were 1/2 of what they would be without the belt, then that's good for everyone involved.

[sweetbmxrider]

ahhahha bonzo beat me! :lol:

[Formulalt1]

thats the most disgusting post ive seen you make in this whole thread. Do you think a parent wants their child to run into the street and get hit by a car? No. Kids play. They play in their front yards...they play touch football in the streets. they have basketball hoops on the curbs and skateboards on the sidewalks....accidents happen.


if you say that you never played in the streets then your a liar
I stand by every word, I don't have any kids of my own but I have a niece and nephew I love very much and yes I was a kid once and yes as I said kids don't always listen but if you haven't figured out that **** happens yet, you must not have been around very long. I stated its tragic for a child to get hurt and yes I would hope and pray if they do it wouldn't be serious but kids simply don't belong in the street and they shouldn't be, I would hope you would attempt to get threw to them. I know I would not let my child play in or by the street.

Edit- Ofcourse there are certain exclusions to this , like if a adult is watching, if the street is blocked off or if its at a dead end but still they should be watched at all times.

Edit2- Getting back to the part about calling me a liar, well you will probably have to cause I grew up not even on a main road in a Village in Westchester county NY and it was a 30MPH regular side street and I have never played football, street hockey or anything out there and there where many kids on my block and I don't think I once saw anyone playing anything directly by the street or on the sidewalk, we always went to the park or into someone yard (usually fenced in)

[Formulalt1]

I do not disagree with the fact its a good idea to wear your seatbelt and I do buckle up every time I get behind the wheel and usually ask my passengers to do the same unless they are really old, in which case its up to them (gotta respect the elders enough to not try to boss them around IMO) but I do not like under any circumstances being told what I can and can not do in a supposedly free country (yeah a free country that has camera's at intersections, highways and tolls making sure you are a good little boy or girl) when it comes to my own personal safety, you can argue back and fourth on who foots the bill but at the end of he day, its your life you are gambling with and if anyone of us dies driving one of our cars while not wearing our seatbelt, financially is it really going to have that big of a impact on you personally?

[Savage_Messiah]

If there are 25 zones there is usually a reason. Granted not always, But usually.

Come to NE jersey and say that... if they could get away wth it theyd make the damn highways 25...

[Savage_Messiah]

I do not disagree with the fact its a good idea to wear your seatbelt and I do buckle up every time I get behind the wheel and usually ask my passengers to do the same

I can vouch for him there

[btownws6]

I wear my seatbelt all the time b/c i have a young daughter and whether they help you in a crash or not i would like to walk her down the aisle on her wedding day so if it may help me in an accident then i'll take the chance if not oh well i tried

[BonzoHansen]

Come to NE jersey and say that... if they could get away wth it theyd make the damn highways 25...

That is because people drive like animals in north Jersey. :lol:

[Savage_Messiah]

That is because people drive like animals in north Jersey. :lol:

And we're damn proud of it! :lol:

Staying on topic... I used to wear my seatbelt 100% of the time, but once I started valet parking in college it broke the habit... so now sometimes if im in a driveway or parking lot and not hitting the actual road i wont have it on.

[madness410]

I wear my seatbelt all the time b/c i have a young daughter and whether they help you in a crash or not i would like to walk her down the aisle on her wedding day so if it may help me in an accident then i'll take the chance if not oh well i tried

its also good to set an example for your daughter...i was thinking about it and i do a lot of things subconsciously that my father does only because he does them

[BobonaStick]

The choice to wear the damn seatbelts should be your own. When I drive my car i always where it, but when i'm out in my truck i refuse to wear it.

[nj85z28]

I havent gotten that ticket in a while for actually not wearing it. A cop gave one me about a year ago for doing something else, which i can't remember what it was anyway. But he was cool about it and gave me a seatbelt ticket saving me some money. I always wear my seatbelt, ive lost a few friends in accidents where they did not wear them and was lucky enough to be saved by a seatbelt myself in a roll over.

[band77one]

i got 3 this week. fmylife. but i think ill be wearing it from now on. i mean, i literally got pulled over and ticketed, right in front of my driveway, im not kidding. but on another note, i think its bs they have to pull this click it or ticket **** because the cops give out so many warnings instead of tickets, we pay them to cause traffic jams, road slow downs, and all kinds of other nonsense for a whole entire month. maybe if the cops did their jobs and ticketed instead of constant warnings, we wouldnt have to enforce this whole entire month of aggravation.

[BigAls87Z28]

Is it a revenue driver? Yes it is.
Someone said it before, but everyone went right over it like the speed bumps you mention.
Driving is a privilage, not a right. Follow the rules or you lose the ability to drive your car.
The only choice you have as a driver is to either follow the rules, or break them. That should be the end of that disucssion. You do have a choice. If your choice is to NOT wear it, you will be given a ticket because thats the rule.
I chose not to follow the speed limit. You might chose to not follow the seat belt laws, or drink and drive, or street race. That is up to you, but know that thoes choices are against the law, and you will be delt with fines, points, and possible jail time.

This has been a Big Al Public Service Announcement. Now you can all go **** yourselves.

[Knipps]

I do not disagree with the fact its a good idea to wear your seatbelt and I do buckle up every time I get behind the wheel and usually ask my passengers to do the same unless they are really old, in which case its up to them (gotta respect the elders enough to not try to boss them around IMO) but I do not like under any circumstances being told what I can and can not do in a supposedly free country (yeah a free country that has camera's at intersections, highways and tolls making sure you are a good little boy or girl) when it comes to my own personal safety, you can argue back and fourth on who foots the bill but at the end of he day, its your life you are gambling with and if anyone of us dies driving one of our cars while not wearing our seatbelt, financially is it really going to have that big of a impact on you personally?
Your freedom ends when it interferes with someone else's. Be it running red lights, speeding, etc. Since when is having a toll (to pay for the road & its upkeep) making sur eyou're a good boy/girl? :scratch:

[Formulalt1]

Your freedom ends when it interferes with someone else's. Be it running red lights, speeding, etc. Since when is having a toll (to pay for the road & its upkeep) making sur eyou're a good boy/girl? :scratch:
Me running a light interferes with your freedom?. A "police officer" stated to me recently and I agree that recording you while inside your car is a invasion of your privacy. Yes and being a good boy or girl, if you would like me to explain I will. That you stop at every "yellow" light, that your ezpass always registers (I like this one cause every single one of my cars have a Ezpass in them but I get about 5 tickets a month I have to take the time dialing in and explaining that there equipment sucks), that you always put in exact change, that you don't get red flagged on the highway, whatever it may be to be a perfect little citizen. I understand being unlucky and having a cop catching you doing something wrong but we are soon going to be on red alert to not take one false step the minute we step out our doors. I personally don't want to live in a place where I feel like I am on 24 hour surveillance, you might love it and thats your right 8-).

[Frosty]

A "police officer" stated to me recently and I agree that recording you while inside your car is a invasion of your privacy.

Technically that "police officer" is completely wrong. Driving isn't a right(contrary to illegal immigrants in NJ who think it's their RIGHT to get license but I'm getting off topic). While we pay taxes and registration fees for our vehicles it's still not a right by law. Since it's deemed a privileged the states can do whatever the hell they want. I don't agree with seat belt laws, I don't agree with black boxes...I don't agree with anyone monitoring my driving aside from police officers. However, I also have the choice to waive my driving privilege and take public transportation.

[Formulalt1]

Technically that "police officer" is completely wrong. Driving isn't a right(contrary to illegal immigrants in NJ who think it's their RIGHT to get license but I'm getting off topic). While we pay taxes and registration fees for our vehicles it's still not a right by law. Since it's deemed a privileged the states can do whatever the hell they want. I don't agree with seat belt laws, I don't agree with black boxes...I don't agree with anyone monitoring my driving aside from police officers. However, I also have the choice to waive my driving privilege and take public transportation.
Well I respect your right to have your own stance on this issue but since I have read of several people having shared my view on the subject and many area's either having delayed installation or removal of this equipment cause the local officials found the argument that it was a invasion of privacy to be legitimate. I will just say this subject is debatable.

[Frosty]

Well I respect your right to have your own stance on this issue but since I have read of several people having shared my view on the subject and many area's either having delayed installation or removal of this equipment cause the local officials found the argument that it was a invasion of privacy to be legitimate. I will just say this subject is debatable.

Oh it's definitely a gray area...I don't agree with the laws either...but the minute you mention "safety" people stop using common sense.

[Knipps]

Me running a light interferes with your freedom?If you hit me it sure as hell does. A "police officer" stated to me recently and I agree that recording you while inside your car is a invasion of your privacy. :lol: What privacy? you're in PUBLIC. Yes and being a good boy or girl, if you would like me to explain I will. That you stop at every "yellow" light, that your ezpass always registers (I like this one cause every single one of my cars have a Ezpass in them but I get about 5 tickets a month I have to take the time dialing in and explaining that there equipment sucks), that you always put in exact change, that you don't get red flagged on the highway, whatever it may be to be a perfect little citizen. so following the laws = invasion of your free will. gotcha. :lol: I understand being unlucky and having a cop catching you doing something wrong but we are soon going to be on red alert to not take one false step the minute we step out our doors. I personally don't want to live in a place where I feel like I am on 24 hour surveillance, you might love it and thats your right 8-).I prefer the US to the UK, and being caught isn't about being "unlucky" IMO. but that's just me.

[Formulalt1]

Well not to take this thread any farther off topic than I have already :lol: but we all assume that laws protect us and if we all just do the right thing we will skate threw bruseless.

Well, I will just tell a short story of what happened to me in Rye, NY about 7 or 8 years ago and maybe this one story will help explain why I feel a certain way about how a very good system can go wrong. I was driving to work one morning in my red corvette that I had at the time when I passed a village officer who proceded to do a 180 in the middle of the road in a intersection and follow me 3 blocks to infront of my work place, he comes over and informs me that my license has been suspended and that my vehicles registration is not valid due to a insurance lapse :-?, I tell him I recently switched companys and that this was all a mistake and if he would please just let me park my car and call my insurance company this could all be straightened out, he then told me "I was not going to talk my way out of this one" :-? (BTW I had a faxed copy from my insurance company showing there was a policy on my car, apparently it "was easy to fake" :?:). They then proceded to search my vehicle (didn't find a thing that should not be there) as I was handcuffed and put in the back of the car (this all happended infront of all my coworkers by the way who I am sure where wondering what I had done to create a 3 squad car specticle in the middle of our work place).

They then removed the plates from my car and despite me begging for a flatbed (apparently I don't have a right for them not to ruin my car either) had a regular tow truck show up and drag my car god knows where (cause and I swear, I was not allowed to know where my vehicle was being kept til my case was decided in my favor). I then had to call my sister to come bail me out who had to leave work and drive 40 minutes to come do this for me. It took me 3 weeks and 3 trips to the dmw to prove I had insurance on my vehicle and my registration and license to be cleared up, now would anyone like to guess who was responsible for the towing and holding fee's on my now scratched and banged up corvette? :cry:. Yup, it was a huge eye opening experience that did not just end there.

[Formulalt1]

1. If you hit me it sure as hell does.

2. :lol: What privacy? you're in PUBLIC.

3. so following the laws = invasion of your free will. gotcha. :lol:

4. I prefer the US to the UK, and being caught isn't about being "unlucky" IMO. but that's just me.
1. Was that the question, cause what if I don't hit you? and I have never heard of this right to not accidently get hit while crossing a intersection. Is this in the constitution's bill of rights?. Cause this is " No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" but yet get caught without insurance or catch a DWI and the state will take possesion of your vehicle before you have been convicted (in some but not all places in a tristate area)..

2. Are you also lacking in your right to privacy when in a "public" bathroom? :moon:. Are you free from a right to privacy while at a "public" atm machine? Do you lose all your rights to privacy once you step foot into a public area?. Strange and I hope that is not actually the case :cry:.

3. Oh you got me so good on that one I have nothing to come back at you with except :moon:. Read my last post please.

4. Ok, so your argument is that as long as there is a country who has things even worse then us its ok?. Good to know :cry:. I hope you never gain the distaste for the law gone wrong like I have.

Edit- I officially cave, I really don't want to post/debate/argue/respond to this thread anymore (I know I keep saying that but some comments hit a nerve and I am dragged back in). Topics like this tend to aggravate me and I don't really want to come off as being rude when I tend to not like the system not the people who agree with it cause you are just expressing your beliefs the same way I am expressing mine. So feel free to attack my stance, my beliefs, why I feel the way I do or the way I view certain laws, rights or privilages. Hell, agree with me for all I care, I'm done.