EVAP

[LTb1ow]

Needed?

Can I get rid of the lines up on the engine?

[HeadlessNorseman]

On previous cars ive replaced the evap canister and solenoid with an inline R/C fuel filter attached to the vac hose to the throttle body. Didnt seem to bother anything. It was basically like a PCV system on the gas tank

[LTb1ow]

I want to delete the stuff in the engine bay, and I guess vent the line out the back of the car.

[JL8Jeff]

That will probably make your car smell like fuel vapors all the time so you might not want anyone near your car smoking. Obviously it won't pass inspection either but you already knew that.

[LTb1ow]

I just wanna be clear on the EVAP system not being entirely "needed" either for engine performance or gas tank safety?

[JSPERFORMANCE]

What are you hoping to gain from removing the evap? The purge solenoid being gone will not make the engine bay look any less cluttered.

[LTb1ow]

One step closer to less clutter, and I am looking to relocate the fuel lines, and the EVAP line will not make the work worth it.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Whatever floats your boat I guess. Your car must be a real show stopper if you are so concerned about a little solenoid and line cluttering up the engine bay. Post up some pics!!

[JL8Jeff]

The EVAP recirculates the gas tank vapors and burns them. If you're removing that then you need to do something with the vapors and reprogram the computer to not run the EVAP purge. Not sure how you "legally" passed inspection but the more obvious you make your car seem modified the better the chances of getting pulled over and checked again. I would leave the evap for safety reasons, just ask your parents.

[LTb1ow]

Why are you guys getting on my case here? This is the tech forum is it not?

I asked a simple question, leave the drama at the door. Geez.

[BonzoHansen]

It appears the negatives are being presented. Gas fumes, SES might come on, with no discernible benefit.


And entirely w/i the posed question:
Needed?

Can I get rid of the lines up on the engine?

[LTb1ow]

Ok then, I will go ask my parents for advise..

[BonzoHansen]

Why, will they tell you what you want to hear?

[LTb1ow]

Hardly, they well either a) tell me my car is a waste of time and money or b) tell me that my car is a waste of time and money.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

I dont know if you were referring to me but I was not "getting on your case". I just figured that everything else on your car must be in show winning condition to have to be worried about a tiny solenoid ruining the look of your engine bay which made me want to see it so I asked you to post up some pics.. Sorry to make you so upset. You don't have to post pics of your car if you don't want to...

[Formulalt1]

You can mount that little evap solenoid almost anywhere and you can cut that hard plastic line and run rubber hose on the end to make it go anywhere you like but like mentioned there is really no positive reason to get rid of the system, It serves a positive function and needs something in place to perform the same task it does, I had to modify my routing on my evap system but you don't even see it in my engine bay.

[LTb1ow]

If you were serious then my bad, I just took what you said as sarcasm.

I am going to look into relocating the EVAP line and perhaps solenoid to some where else instead of deleting it.

[Formulalt1]

If you were serious then my bad, I just took what you said as sarcasm.

I am going to look into relocating the EVAP line and perhaps solenoid to some where else instead of deleting it.
Get fuel rail covers if you don't want to see clutter. They give a much cleaner look IMO.

[LTb1ow]

IMO fuel rail covers look stupid. I guess I am just looking to make my engine look good in hopes that it will run better. lol. yea...

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Where is John with a picture of the Pampered z's engine compartment when you need him?

[Formulalt1]

IMO fuel rail covers look stupid. I guess I am just looking to make my engine look good in hopes that it will run better. lol. yea...
To each there own but I would much rather see a smooth cover than exposed wire loom, sensors , fuel injectors and bolt heads but we have our own taste.

[LTb1ow]

http://pampered-z.cz28.com/images/new_motor1.jpg

http://pampered-z.cz28.com/images/new_motor1.jpg

I win.

[Formulalt1]

http://pampered-z.cz28.com/images/new_motor1.jpg

I win.
You win with a dead link:?:

[LTb1ow]

Huh? Its a pic of PamperedZ's engine bay, works for me... ?

[JSPERFORMANCE]

I got nothin

[LTb1ow]

Ah well, I guess I don't win.

And I am not going for show class here, I just want to get rid of stuff that does not make it go faster or is important.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

That is an old pic of the Pampered z you should see it now.

My honest suggestion: unless your car looks like his or is close to as fast I wouldn't worry about little things like a purge solenoid. Instead maybe try making sure you have exponged all other major avenues for improovement in appearance and power before you worry about the little things.

[LTb1ow]

Well I want to relocate the fuel lines, and this is holding me back. I am going to relocate it I think.

[BonzoHansen]

Well I want to relocate the fuel lines

Why?

[LTb1ow]

Cause its a simple thing to do, and clears the engine bay up a bit?

[BonzoHansen]

Simple? I wait for results. clears the engine bay up a bit? Maybe.

[LTb1ow]

Ok, you may be waiting a few days, school all tomorrow and hopefully get started on it this weekend pending work.

[Formulalt1]

I really want to see pampereZ's engine bay now. Can anyone shoot me a link, I think I saw a picture of it in the past but don't remember what it looked like off the top of my head.

Edit- Some people have the touch when it comes to quick disconnects but if I was to be honest the worst part of pulling my engine the 3 - 4 times I have done it is getting those friggin fuel lines disconnect. I tend to just remove the fuel rail and leave it on the side now.

[LTb1ow]

Yea, I have never touched em, so I guess I will see how bad it is and go from there.

[Tru2Chevy]

Click the link i just added. http://pampered-z.cz28.com/images/new_motor1.jpg

- Justin

[Formulalt1]

Click the link i just added. http://pampered-z.cz28.com/images/new_motor1.jpg

- Justin
Thanks for trying but I get the same forbidden linking message as shownomercy's post :cry:.

[Tru2Chevy]

Thanks for trying but I get the same forbidden linking message as shownomercy's post :cry:.

Copy and paste it....

- Justin

[Formulalt1]

Thanks and I must of been thinking of someone elses engine bay but very nice.

[sweetbmxrider]

pretty much stock for reference

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g297/Sgt_Spuds/July25thBay4.jpg

cleaned up

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/svtspeed04/Picture043.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/brian_dub/misc/P1010018.jpg

[Pampered-Z]

Here you go.

( below should be in the appearance section, but I don't have time to work on the new web page.

Valve cover to TB line has been rerouted. The line runs around and under the engine and into the air cleaner ( prevent boost from pressurizing the crank) I removed the male hose connection from the TB and machined an aluminum plug. "cheap-O braided hoses used on the FP line and AC line, just because with everything else, the stock hoses didn't look right.

EVAP is relocated behind the intake, Braided line now runs from the selinoid to the TB.

Wiring harness was rerouted, all wires now run under the engine or under the fuel rails. I cut passages behind the fuel rail mounts for the injector and MAP wires, the only wires you can see are from the front of the fuel rails to the map sensor. All of the other wires run down along the side of the engine. After extending the wiring harness. I cut apart the heat sheilding cloth ( allot of hours spent removing the thread ), then wrapped the wires tight and re-sewed it back together, then passed that thru the heat resistent convoluted tubing, then mounted it to the block using aluminum straps I made. And of course, everything could be polished was. What could was painted. ( Supercharger inlet tubes are Jethot coated to somewhat match the polished aluminum.


( the FP gauge sender was just stuck on the shrader because the braided line was leaking, it actually mounts down in the fender well so that if it ever leaks no fuel will be spraided onto a hot engine or exhaust ).




click here for a large, blurry underhood pic of sliderule's car (http://www.pamperedz.com/Engine/JDB002.jpg)

[PolarBear]

And I am not going for show class here, I just want to get rid of stuff that does not make it go faster or is important.
Honestly man I fully agree with you here. A little less clutter can go a long way when there is a bunch of stupid **** in the engine bay
It appears the negatives are being presented. Gas fumes, SES might come on, with no discernible benefit.

I have to call :bs:, your car SHOULD have that stuff and doesnt. So dont TRY to sound like the voice of reason here. Stop defending people when you do the same thing :twisted:

[LTb1ow]

Yea, people are quick to jump on my case about this one.. ah well.

I plan on just rerouting it, although, in all honesty, no cats + 107LSA = raw fuel smell anyways.... lol

[J.Reed]

Yea, people are quick to jump on my case about this one.. ah well.

I plan on just rerouting it, although, in all honesty, no cats + 107LSA = raw fuel smell anyways.... lol

Just do like i said...get rid of the canister, route the line into the TB where it goes anyway so it doesnt leak fumes into the bay. Ive done this on 4 cars so far and nothing bad/different has happened except more room

[Zero4488]

Rip it all off...you don't need it...don't listen to these yuppies....do what you want to your car...clean up the engine bay....I mean I'm in the process of removing everything....

[JL8Jeff]

Rip it all off...you don't need it...don't listen to these yuppies....do what you want to your car...clean up the engine bay....I mean I'm in the process of removing everything....

You guys don't get it. You can't tamper with stuff and hope to legally operate your vehicle on the roads. And I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see the new administration come up with even more restrictions on what changes can be done to a vehicle. The less clutter argument is total bs unless you have an all out show car which is usually not used as a daily vehicle anyway. Yes, it's possible to unclutter while maintaining the functionality of the various systems and that's what you should be looking to do, not just remove stuff because you think it robs horsepower. Just don't come crying back about how you got pulled over and received 10 tickets because of the illegal stuff. Just hope that NJ doesn't turn into CA where they take your vehicle off the road if the emission's stuff has been altered or tampered with. :soapbox: There, I'm done until the next stupid idea pops up. :rofl:

[BonzoHansen]

Yuppie?

[sweetbmxrider]

i really have to think they need a warrant to search under your hood. i know most cops wouldn't know what is what and where its supposed to be. so if its relocated, cop can't find it, is that a ticket?

and who cares if its show car or not, like wtf is the point of washing your car then? seriously

i find our underhoods a total eye sore, i love the look of a classic sbc with no bs around, i want that look.

[LTb1ow]

Woah.

Mine is still on there. And your point about the "emisions stuff" is kinda BS. If your car(s) are 100% stock then ok, but other wise, BS.

[JL8Jeff]

And your point about the "emisions stuff" is kinda BS. If your car(s) are 100% stock then ok, but other wise, BS.

How so? There is a federal law about tampering with emission's equipment. Most states are pretty lenient about it though. Expect that to change with our new "green" president so be prepared. While relocation stuff sounds fine and does allow the stuff to still do it's job, the federal law specifically says that emission's equipment can't be altered or moved. So most of our cars are ticking timebombs for the "green" police. Anything that looks/sounds/smells illegal (tint, blackouts, loud exhaust, no cats, lumpy cam, non functioning brake lights, blinkers, expired inspection, etc.) will be cause to get pulled over and possibly a closer inspection to see what has been modified.

No yuppies here!

http://img.findaproperty.com/library/new/yuppie.jpg

[LTb1ow]

Well what I meant was it is not your place to criticize me, when your car is anything but 100% stock...

[JL8Jeff]

Well what I meant was it is not your place to criticize me, when your car is anything but 100% stock...

You might interpret it as criticizing but it's really stating the facts about the laws that exist. You guys keep suggesting to each other to keep breaking more and more laws, then you all complain when you get tickets or can't pass inspection. And any discussion you have about making illegal modifications also puts Tim and Justin on the hook with this website. You should think of that before posting such things. That's why there are no street racing threads allowed as well.

[LTb1ow]

Ok, so no more threads about any sort of header install, AIR/EGR deleting, nitrous installs, tinting, etc etc.... I mean what is a car "enthusiast" site about if not modding the cars?

I am not attacking you personally, I just think it should be do at ones own risk. I understand the possible results of my "additions" and "subtractions" to the car, and I don't think I have ever made a thread whining about it...

If you think this thread puts the site owners at higher risk, feel free to delete it, I made a mistake of posting. Sorry.

[BonzoHansen]

enough