500RWHP Camaro SS

[BigAls87Z28]

Another Texas car, making 500hp without touching heads.

http://camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=690519

[btownws6]

DAMN!!!!!

[NastyEllEssWon]

6k is a big price tag for something that can be done for around 2k :nod:

[Knipps]

But it wasn't always 2k. When your car was new parts were expensive too :banghead:

[btownws6]

very true

[NastyEllEssWon]

id be willing to bet that gto headers fit and the ls3 has been out for a bit so yeah. cold air intakes of that ''complexity'' (warm air intake) its pretty easy to ''backyard'' and like 500 at an exhaust shop

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

yea 6 grand later...

[BigAls87Z28]

6 grand, installed, with dyno tune...its really not that bad.
I remember when LS1's came out, people were spending that much to put down 400.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

6 grand, installed, with dyno tune...its really not that bad.

For a cam install? It isnt?

[String]

wow. :shock:

[98tadriver]

do the work yourself and save money!

i wanna see videos of that car driving, not idling!! lol

[madness410]

i wanna see videos of that car driving, not idling!! lol

same....what a tease lol.

[BarneyMobile]

6 grand, installed, with dyno tune...its really not that bad.
I remember when LS1's came out, people were spending that much to put down 400.
I agree 100%. I would imagine that the price will come down some as the years go by. Its still pricey to mod an LS1 and most folks forget that the LS1 has been around for 14 years vs an LS3 which has only been around for 2.5 years. So for 6k to drop off your new SS with 358rwhp and then pick it back up with 505rwhp without turning a single wrench isnt bad at all.:nod:

[98tadriver]

the LS1 has been out since 95? i thought it was 97, that would make 12 yrs lol

[BarneyMobile]

Late 1996 as a 97 model year. That makes it 14 years old.

[BigAls87Z28]

For a cam install? It isnt?

Cam install, LT and exhaust install, with cold air intake, and dyno tune, not to mention the price of the parts...Why not ask a place like TTP or another LS shop how much it would take to do that an LS1 car, and then tell me how much power you will put down.

You could deffinatly do it cheaper, save yourself two grand in labor at least, but its up to the owner. 500 RWHP is a lot of power.

[Knipps]

Late 1996 as a 97 model year. That makes it 14 years old.
you may want to check your calendar. it's 2009 here.

[Teds89IROC]

NICE!

[NastyEllEssWon]

ok so lets put it down.



400 for gto headers
400 for ls3 cam
100 bucks to backyard a cai
500 for exhaust


1400 bucks. plop down 500 more for a dyno tune and the next 100 for gas and viola...

2k bucks.



sorry al as much as you wanna try to pussyfoot this one in the door you cant. its not a good deal. not by far. 4k dollars worth of labor for cam intake and exhaust....wow.....wanna pay me to work on your car, i can use those bucks

[BarneyMobile]

you may want to check your calendar. it's 2009 here.
1. 96'
2. 97'
3. 98'
4. 99'
5. 00'
6. 01'
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10. 05'
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12. 07'
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14. 09'

[NastyEllEssWon]

late model 96 wouldnt count as a full year...2009 isnt a full year...so its 12

[BarneyMobile]

if thats the case then it would be 13.

half of 96 and half of 09 make 1 whole year in your terms plus the 12 years in between. Its still 14 calendar years.

[BigAls87Z28]

ok so lets put it down.



400 for gto headers
400 for ls3 cam
100 bucks to backyard a cai
500 for exhaust


1400 bucks. plop down 500 more for a dyno tune and the next 100 for gas and viola...

2k bucks.



sorry al as much as you wanna try to pussyfoot this one in the door you cant. its not a good deal. not by far. 4k dollars worth of labor for cam intake and exhaust....wow.....wanna pay me to work on your car, i can use those bucks


400 dollar headers for a GTO?
Lets actually look at a similar car, the G8. G8 headers go for 1500 bucks for a set of stainless LT's.
And a true dual exhaust, with cats, is going to run you a grand, in stainless, at least.
Throw in near 300 bucks in tuning/dyno testing, and you have a pricy build.
Would I spend the 6k? Eh, no. Is 6k a great deal? Well when people are dropping 4k on superchargers only, without having a shop install it or tuning it, making that kind of power.
I think its a fair price for right now. Once the car gets going, parts are made more readily available, should drop pretty far.

[NastyEllEssWon]

pacesetter headers are around 400 bucks for gtos

[BonzoHansen]

So in your infinite wisdom if you bought a brand new car and you'd install the cheapest headers you can find even though they fit a different car? Awesome.

[Teds89IROC]

So in your infinite wisdom if you bought a brand new car and you'd install the cheapest headers you can find even though they fit a different car? Awesome.

My thoughts too. Sure anything can be done on the cheap and you can always find a lower cost to do something, but the quality obviously is not going to be the same.

[NastyEllEssWon]

i really doubt the difference from a gto/g8 to the new camaros are so significant that it would warrant a redesign on the headers design they currently have. wolf in sheeps clothing you know

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Nobodys questioning the power, Im questioning a 6k cam/header install on a LS3 thats been in vettes for almost 3 years.

[Featherburner]

i really doubt the difference from a gto/g8 to the new camaros are so significant that it would warrant a redesign on the headers design they currently have. wolf in sheeps clothing you knowGTO headers don't fit the zeta platform. The G8 and the Camaro are the zeta platform. G8 headers most likely will fit the Camaro but the intermediate pipes will be different due to the different wheel base.

[BarneyMobile]

Dont forget the prototype U/D pulley that adds to the price.

[NastyEllEssWon]

GTO headers don't fit the zeta platform. The G8 and the Camaro are the zeta platform. G8 headers most likely will fit the Camaro but the intermediate pipes will be different due to the different wheel base.




thank you for the clarification. either way parts are going to be ''exclusive'' to the new camaro...its one of the reasons for the ''globalization'' of cars gm been babbling about for the past years.


you would be dumb to pay 1k bucks for a premade catback. take it to a regular exhaust shop and have them do it up...i guarantee it wont be nowhere near 1k bucks



(not calling anyone dumb...just saying)




edit: lol yeah so your saying the extra 4k is worth it for the udp ?

[Tru2Chevy]

if thats the case then it would be 13.

half of 96 and half of 09 make 1 whole year in your terms plus the 12 years in between. Its still 14 calendar years.

1997 Corvette - 2010 Camaro = 14 model years of "LS" series engines

In actuality, it's only been 12.5 calendar years since the January 1997 introduction of the C5 vette (it was not released in late '96).

End of argument - back to talking about the cool 500+ hp Camaro.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

i really doubt the difference from a gto/g8 to the new camaros are so significant that it would warrant a redesign on the headers design they currently have. wolf in sheeps clothing you know

As stated later, GTO is on VY/VZ chassis.
G8 and its Aussie brothers are on VE/Zeta 1
Camaro is on Zeta2. Zeta 1 and 2 are 96% the same. Camaro does ride on a specific chassis spec compared to G8. But its possible that teh G8's headers will fit, and they are anywhere from 1500-1800 bucks

Nobodys questioning the power, Im questioning a 6k cam/header install on a LS3 thats been in vettes for almost 3 years.

2 years on my count, but its not about the engine its about the car.


GTO headers don't fit the zeta platform. The G8 and the Camaro are the zeta platform. G8 headers most likely will fit the Camaro but the intermediate pipes will be different due to the different wheel base.

Thank you sir

thank you for the clarification. either way parts are going to be ''exclusive'' to the new camaro...its one of the reasons for the ''globalization'' of cars gm been babbling about for the past years.
you would be dumb to pay 1k bucks for a premade catback. take it to a regular exhaust shop and have them do it up...i guarantee it wont be nowhere near 1k bucks

(not calling anyone dumb...just saying)

edit: lol yeah so your saying the extra 4k is worth it for the udp ?


1k for a premade stainless steel system? Not that hard to imagine. People are spending that on GMMG, and thats one 3 inch pipe, into one muffler...

Globalization is based on the actuall platform, the sharing of parts over teh world, developing one chassis system to make several cars.
Camaro's platform went under a lot of stretching, pulling, and fixing to give it the long nose/ short deck look.
The distance between the a pillar to the center of the wheel, better known as dash to axle ratio, is greater, which added teh most cost and most weight of the car, to make sure that is stronger to handle the larger wheels and greater loads the Camaro owner would put the car through.