Harness Bars?

[LS1ow]

hey guys, anyone on here have a harness bar in thier car? if so were did you get it? or is there any custom ones? picss?

[sweetbmxrider]

you mean like a 5 point attaching to a roll cage?

[LS1ow]

nono, a harness bar. just made for the seatbelts to mount to.

http://www.rallysportdirect.com/shop/images/harness%20bar.jpg

[sweetbmxrider]

oh my bad. never seen one in an f body before

[NJ Torque]

If you need a harness, you need a cage...

[LS1ow]

If you need a harness, you need a cage...

the car came w. a harness when i got it.

and thats not true, my car isnt a sub 10.50 car, and its not track car. ive thought of doing a cage a few times, but i dont want to be that guy w. just has a cage on a car that doesnt really need it

[NJ Torque]

the car came w. a harness when i got it.

and thats not true, my car isnt a sub 10.50 car, and its not track car. ive thought of doing a cage a few times, but i dont want to be that guy w. just has a cage on a car that doesnt really need it

You need atleast a roll bar at 11.49...

[LS1ow]

i dont think my car is gunan break 11.5. ive never tracked my car. i would image its in high 11s because theres bolts on cars on here running low 12s

[NJ Torque]

i dont think my car is gunan break 11.5. ive never tracked my car. i would image its in high 11s because theres bolts on cars on here running low 12s

Your stock seat belts are fine...

[LS1ow]

Your stock seat belts are fine...

it came with harnesses in it already...

[LTb1ow]

My car came with cats on it, I don't use em. Are the stock belts non existent?

[creeper]

echomirage has one. i think it's pretty cool. i think 2 companies used to make them and then stopped so they're tough to find. i believe one of our former sponsors did/does them now though. too bad they're not a sponsor any more because now i can't say their nameee.

[EchoMirage]

personally i dont like mine. i had it done for free as a prototype, but it could have been done better. its too close to easily mount a clip in harness, and severely limits the adjustment and placement of the harness sliders.

not many people know this, but there IS more to racing then just a straight line. harness bars are best used for autox/road racing. a harness bar is supposed to be a mounting point for a 4 or 5 pt. its not a structural support, cage, half a cage, roll bar, or anything like that. just a mounting point to strap yourself in better.

and if you are using or plan to use a 5pt, please tell me youre using it properly with an equiped race seat and not running the submarine belt over the front of the seat eventually attacting to the seat rail somewhere.

unless you have one made, the only place youll find one is in the classifieds on frrax or maybe tech.

[BonzoHansen]

the car came w. a harness when i got it.

and thats not true, my car isnt a sub 10.50 car, and its not track car. ive thought of doing a cage a few times, but i dont want to be that guy w. just has a cage on a car that doesnt really need it

It's not about the track, it's about overall safety. If you are in a rollover with a harness and no cage you are in more trouble than with a 3-point because the 5 point will hold you in place while the 3 point will let you move with the crash. It is one of the reasons why cars have 3 points and not 5 points OE.

[LS1ow]

Its a 4 point harness in the car. not a 5 point. And yea, i fully understand that its just a place to mount the belts. thats what i want.


and yes, the stock driver side belt is gone

[Mike]

Its a 4 point harness in the car. not a 5 point. And yea, i fully understand that its just a place to mount the belts. thats what i want.


and yes, the stock driver side belt is gone

same difference, other than the crotch strap, bonzo was referring to the dual shoulder straps which are the same in both 4 and 5 point harnesses.

ttp made one
g2 or lg motorsports made one

but like said above, i don't think anyone makes them anymore

[LS1ow]

same difference, other than the crotch strap, bonzo was referring to the dual shoulder straps which are the same in both 4 and 5 point harnesses.

ttp made one
g2 or lg motorsports made one

but like said above, i don't think anyone makes them anymore

well right now the side straps are bolted to were the stock ones were. and the shoudlers are bolted to the ground were the rear seat was

[BonzoHansen]

well right now the side straps are bolted to were the stock ones were. and the shoudlers are bolted to the ground were the rear seat was

An excellent way to compress your spine on impact. Can you not put the correct belts back in?

Is this a track only car? I don't think a harness of any type will pass state inspection.

[Mike]

well right now the side straps are bolted to were the stock ones were. and the shoudlers are bolted to the ground were the rear seat was

yeah thats not safe at all

[WildBillyT]

yeah thats not safe at all

X3. A terrible setup. Go back to a stock setup immediatly, then look for a harness bar and re-convert if you have to. What you have now can paralyze you in a crash.

[mc73nova]

If you get the proper bar to have seat belt functional, then keep them. I dont see why he has to intend on going fast to use them, the harness in my Nova is more comfortable than a regular seat belt.

Do what you want, just make sure you do it the right way.

[Jensend]

Don't get stopped wearing a harness of any kind. They are not DOT approved and are not legal for street use. They are also, as others have stated grossly unsafe in the configuation indicated by the original poster on the street or otherwise.

[BonzoHansen]

If you get the proper bar to have seat belt functional, then keep them. I dont see why he has to intend on going fast to use them, the harness in my Nova is more comfortable than a regular seat belt.

Do what you want, just make sure you do it the right way.


I asked about track only because of this.....


Don't get stopped wearing a harness of any kind. They are not DOT approved and are not legal for street use. They are also, as others have stated grossly unsafe in the configuation indicated by the original poster on the street or otherwise.

[WildBillyT]

Don't get stopped wearing a harness of any kind. They are not DOT approved and are not legal for street use. They are also, as others have stated grossly unsafe in the configuation indicated by the original poster on the street or otherwise.

I believe Schroth harnesses are US-DOT FMVSS 209 approved for street use. Not one of the common brands, though.

[LS1ow]

im aware the current set up isnt safe, thats why i want a bar.

if your gunna post in here can you please acually help what im looking. i want pics or were to get a harness bar. i dont need anything else

[1QWIKBIRD]

The reason you don't see harness bars is they are a compromise. If you are going fast enough to need a racing harness, then you also need a roll bar or roll cage. It sounds like maybe one of these products could serve your purpose. They fit into a finished interior and afford you a higher level of protection. Mounting the shoulder harness is critical, so read up and don't put yourself in a dangerous situation. Generally speaking, the lap belt should hold you down into the seat, the shoulder harness is to hold you back against the seat. If the shoulder harness is pulling you down into the seat, that's bad. And if the horizontal bar the shoulder belts are attached to is too low, that's what happens, the shoulder harnesses will compress your back like Bonzo and the others have stated.

There are probably other manufacturers, but these guys have a pretty good reputation in the autox arena. I wouldn't recommend a bolt in bar for anything more than autox or the occasional HPDE track day, beyond that you should consider a custom built bar or cage.

Maybe the street sport bar is a workable solution?

http://www.autopowerindustries.com/applicationlist.asp


Chris

[BonzoHansen]

im aware the current set up isnt safe, thats why i want a bar.

if your gunna post in here can you please acually help what im looking. i want pics or were to get a harness bar. i dont need anything else

Sorry we thought you might want to be safe, and given your profile says you are 16, I'm sure some people here are assuming you may not be aware of the safety concerns of what you are asking for. Next time we will just tell you want you want to hear, damn the results. Good luck.

[Mike]

im aware the current set up isnt safe, thats why i want a bar.

if your gunna post in here can you please acually help what im looking. i want pics or were to get a harness bar. i dont need anything else

no need to be a tool, i posted both places that have made them in the recent past

[LS1ow]

no need to be a tool, i posted both places that have made them in the recent past

and i thank you for that.

[Pampered-Z]

I could be wrong??? I don't have a rulebook handy. But I thought even NHRA allowed the rear/shoulder belts to be mounted to the floor for 10.0 or slower if they were the Y-type where the two shoulder belts join into a single belt that bolted to the floor? But I think rules state where or how it needs to be bolted in, something like x inches behind the seat.

I tried seaching all the supplier websites I have book marketed and didn't come up with any harness bars. But there are allot out there for other cars, maybe you could do some cross reference and see if another car would work or be able to be modified?

One thing I'd also like to point out. One issue with shoulder straps in that you can actually slide out of them if you do not have seats with slots in them. I just found out recently they actually make a strap that will connect the belts to the seats. I can get the company info if needed. Seems it came about from the Corvette owners that autocross and didn't want to change out or have to slots/cut into their stock seats.

I got stopped in a PA police saftey inspection, They had a bunch of cars pulled off to the side and there were probably 15-20 police in total. as I got the front of the line the officers startig looked at me and pointing (cage, harness, 4" exhaust etc). They walked over, started laughing and said "Yup your safe". Handy me the cLick it or ticket flyer and sent me on my way.

[WildBillyT]

I could be wrong??? I don't have a rulebook handy. But I thought even NHRA allowed the rear/shoulder belts to be mounted to the floor for 10.0 or slower if they were the Y-type where the two shoulder belts join into a single belt that bolted to the floor? But I think rules state where or how it needs to be bolted in, something like x inches behind the seat.

I tried seaching all the supplier websites I have book marketed and didn't come up with any harness bars. But there are allot out there for other cars, maybe you could do some cross reference and see if another car would work or be able to be modified?

One thing I'd also like to point out. One issue with shoulder straps in that you can actually slide out of them if you do not have seats with slots in them. I just found out recently they actually make a strap that will connect the belts to the seats. I can get the company info if needed. Seems it came about from the Corvette owners that autocross and didn't want to change out or have to slots/cut into their stock seats.

I got stopped in a PA police saftey inspection, They had a bunch of cars pulled off to the side and there were probably 15-20 police in total. as I got the front of the line the officers startig looked at me and pointing (cage, harness, 4" exhaust etc). They walked over, started laughing and said "Yup your safe". Handy me the cLick it or ticket flyer and sent me on my way.

I won't take this any further off topic after this.

John,

It is my understanding that Y-type harnesses are no longer NHRA legal. Simpson and the like recommend only mounting it to the floor if you get the angles correct, and I think that puts the mounting point pretty far behind the seat. If you have the company info for that strap please shoot me a PM. I know somebody with a Vette that didn't cut their stock seats- fits what you described to a T.

On topic:

Even though I don't think this is the way to go, shoot this guy an email and see if he will ship it for you:

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/pts/1228531855.html

[BonzoHansen]

...and I think that puts the mounting point pretty far behind the seat....and then you get into belt stretch issues.