$50,000 Camaro's have arrived!!

[Blacdout96]

Went by Kerbeck Corvette last night, and they have 4 Camaro's there. Three black and one yellow with black stripes. I look at the sticker for the 2LT Yellow Camaro, and was $33,300. Not too shabby, went over and looked at the three black camaro's lined up, the next was a bare bones camaro, no RS, only thing it had was a sunroof, they wanted $28,700, me likey, 6 speed all black, and standard rims, which is just what I like, but the sunroof turned me off right there.

So now I go to take a look at the two V8 Camaro's there. one all black, another with two white hockey stripes, and a white stripe on the cowling of the hood, hideous to say the least. It's auto and has those crappy looking two tone chrome and black rims on it, installed by the dealer. I look a t the price and almost crap my pants, they want $46,350!! I started flipping **** rigth there. It already had the $5,000 dealer mark up..... So I go to the next one, 6 speed, and no stripes. Im thinking this one has to be less since it's got manual and no str....NOPE this one is $47,915. Both of these cars had the $5,000 mark up right on them, and when my friend asked why, I said it's better not to ask because the ******** coming out of thier mouth for the reason is rediculous.

So a salesman comes out, and already workign with these people, you can feel the slime coming off of him. He talks to my one friend a little bit while they are over at the yellow car, and the salesmans points out the dealertags on it, this is how the conversation went:.

Sales: You see those dealer tags on there?
Josh: Yea?
Sales: God drives this car
Josh: That's funny, why would God drive a V6 Camaro?

The salesman was stumped for a couple seconds and then said this line:

Sales: Because God likes to Jizz all over this color.

The conversation ended there, but for being the worlds largest corvette dealership, they are also the worlds biggest shiesters in selling Camaro's, AND the Soltice GXP. They got the hardtops there for $40,000+....No wonder Pontiac is gonna go under, and the Camaro will soon follow :(


I'll post photos later fro mmy phone.

[BigAls87Z28]

Ive seen IOM cars with stripes, wheels and IOM interior go for 50+k.

All American has 5 Camaros parked out front, 3 V6, 2 V8's.

[jims69camaro]

they will sell one or two with the inflated price. then the cars will sit. and sit. and sit. then they will remove the inflated price. and the cars will sit. and sit. then they will start haggling for below MSRP. this is why i am waiting. i watched it happen with the GTO to the point that the new cars came out and they still had leftovers from the previous year.

all you have to do is wait. and you might even be able to pick up a used one with low mileage ( <16k ). wait. see if i ain't right.

[Blacdout96]

Oh I know, let the yuppies with money to piss to buy them first, and then when the prices can be touched by the normal person, then its time to look.

[jims69camaro]

p.s. i just got this email from "your chevy team":
Dear James,

This summer, you can get low, straight forward pricing on remaining 2008 and 2009 Chevy models¹ at the Chevy Open House event.

See how we stack up against the competition:

• Chevy offers more models than Toyota and Honda with an EPA estimated 30 MPG highway or better

• Malibu offers an EPA estimated 33 MPG highway. That's better highway fuel economy than a comparable Toyota Camry or Honda Accord²

• Traverse offers more cargo space than Honda Pilot or Toyota Highlander

And it gets even better because every new Chevy includes the Best Coverage in America — a fully transferable 100,000-Mile/5-Year³ Powertrain Limited Warranty, plus Roadside Assistance and Courtesy Transportation Programs.³

So, what are you waiting for? Shop online, then head to your Chevy Dealer before July 31, 2009.

Sincerely,

Your Chevy Team

with the normal disclaimers:
1 At participating dealers. Tax, title, license, dealer fees and optional equipment extra. Take delivery by 7/31/09. Not available with some other offers. Excludes Chevy Corvette ZR1.

2 2009 Malibu with 2.4L 4-cylinder engine and 6-speed automatic transmission offers 33 MPG highway. 2010 Toyota Camry with 2.5L 4-cylinder engine with 6-speed automatic transmission offers 32 MPG highway. 2009 Honda Accord with 2.4L 4-cylinder engine and 5-speed automatic transmission offers 30 MPG highway.

3 Whichever comes first. See dealer for details.

no mention of the camaro. and since it's dealer participation dependent, my guess is that they will keep on jacking the prices until the car starts to sit on the lot.

i like the old saying: "you can skin a sheep only once. however, you can shear a sheep for many years." paraphrased, of course. i have no idea who said it first and they probably didn't use my words, but you get the meaning. you can rob someone blind only once, but if you steal a little bit you can do so for years...

[Jam]

for that kind of markup i'd rather buy a GT500.

[Blacdout96]

for that kind of markup i'd rather buy a GT500.

Bingo. I love the Camaro, but 50K for a 422 hp Camaro First year, or 50K for a 540 hp Mustang. Of course were forgetting the dealer mark up on the GT500, making it probably around 60K.

[firebirdcrazy]

50000 you can go for the slp camaro

[Frosty]

They can afford to let a hot new car sit until they get what they want. Having a $46K Camaro sitting around, or even a few is a drop in the bucket to them.

For that kind of money I'd get a 'vette and never look back...sorry but the Camaro isn't THAT nice...certainly not $46K nice.

[NastyEllEssWon]

They can afford to let a hot new car sit until they get what they want. Having a $46K Camaro sitting around, or even a few is a drop in the bucket to them.

For that kind of money I'd get a 'vette and never look back...sorry but the Camaro isn't THAT nice...certainly not $46K nice.




AHA! thats the point...mark up the camaro...compare it to their corvettes at the same price and either walk away selling a camaro with 5-10k markup or selling a corvette....win/win.



rofl @ god likes to jizz on this color

[Blacdout96]

I wonder later in life when people who bought the first year Camaro will gather and wont be bragging about what mods, or what options their came with, more so who got more sheistered when they bought it.

[Frosty]

I wonder later in life when people who bought the first year Camaro will gather and wont be bragging about what mods, or what options their came with, more so who got more sheistered when they bought it.

....the price of being one of the first to have something.

[Crayface]

Dammm thats a lottt of money! whats the MSRP for the base v-8 model?

[maroman88]

like 30k

[Crayface]

Oh alright thats not too bad, i will be picking up one of those hopefully by next year this time. But 50K for that is nucking futs

[Blacdout96]

Not too bad??....its 16-18K over the MSRP, you could buy another car with that much over the MSRP.

[Savage_Messiah]

Tell them for 50 grand they better be throwing in a Cobalt

[BonzoHansen]

Tell them for 50 grand they better be throwing in a Cobalt

lol

[madness410]

theres going to be a few retards who buy them marked up like that. but once it gets driven off the dealer lot the price falls drastically. id say wait a year or two and you will find them for a lot cheaper used with low miles..but not new

[Savage_Messiah]

theres going to be a few retards who buy them marked up like that. but once it gets driven off the dealer lot the price falls drastically. id say wait a year or two and you will find them for a lot cheaper used with low miles..but not new


and we can talk about them, and say they're a rahtard.

[EllwynX]

I wonder later in life when people who bought the first year Camaro will gather and wont be bragging about what mods, or what options their came with, more so who got more sheistered when they bought it.

Perhaps those foolish enough to pay a markup would.

I paid MSRP for mine and had no problem doing it. Over MSRP wasn't happening though.

Why do so many sound shocked at the sound of a $45,000+ Camaro? It's easy to do if you add the 21" wheels, stripes, GFX and other dealer installed options.

Personally the only things I'd like to add to mine are the GFX and Heritage Grille when I can afford to get them AND have them painted to match. The wheels cost entirely too much to me.

$37,5?? was the price on mine. (2SS, Auto, RS, Sunroof)

[EllwynX]

Not too bad??....its 16-18K over the MSRP, you could buy another car with that much over the MSRP.


I think he meant that 30k wasn't too bad.

[BigAls87Z28]

Hey Bonzo! Remember you were talking about how stupid GM was for not offereing a Bumble Bee Package?
Well for $995, you now can get one!

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[NastyEllEssWon]

1000 dollars for Badges, Embroidery and CENTER CAPS!!! ZOMG


shoot me dead. the only bumblebee id buy is the z28 looking one

[Blacdout96]

Perhaps those foolish enough to pay a markup would.

I paid MSRP for mine and had no problem doing it. Over MSRP wasn't happening though.

Why do so many sound shocked at the sound of a $45,000+ Camaro? It's easy to do if you add the 21" wheels, stripes, GFX and other dealer installed options.

Personally the only things I'd like to add to mine are the GFX and Heritage Grille when I can afford to get them AND have them painted to match. The wheels cost entirely too much to me.

$37,5?? was the price on mine. (2SS, Auto, RS, Sunroof)

Were shocked cause the economy isn't in the best of shapes, dealerships are closing down, and begging for customers to buy....yet they have the balls to try and **** up a car people have waited years to come out with by slapping on prices that make it more sensible to just go get a Corvette and be done with. This is how the GTO died IMO, it was a good car, but the dealerships jacked the price up on them.

I love the new Camaro, but with prices like this, it makes it hard for me to imagine why anyone would be buying them right now, especially first year cars.

[BonzoHansen]

Hey Bonzo! Remember you were talking about how stupid GM was for not offereing a Bumble Bee Package?
Well for $995, you now can get one!

Wrong color, wrong hood; fail.

[Knipps]

Were shocked cause the economy isn't in the best of shapes, dealerships are closing down, and begging for customers to buy....yet they have the balls to try and **** up a car people have waited years to come out with by slapping on prices that make it more sensible to just go get a Corvette and be done with. This is how the GTO died IMO, it was a good car, but the dealerships jacked the price up on them.

I love the new Camaro, but with prices like this, it makes it hard for me to imagine why anyone would be buying them right now, especially first year cars.
The GTO didn't die, it was a planned lifespan. There was only going to be so many made, they were only going to make them for so long, get it?

[Knipps]

1000 dollars for Badges, Embroidery and CENTER CAPS!!! ZOMG

Look at the SS packages for the last few years, the suspension upgrades were minimal

[Blacdout96]

The GTO didn't die, it was a planned lifespan. There was only going to be so many made, they were only going to make them for so long, get it?

Nah, I don't get it, If you want to believe that by reading Wiki, and listening to other people say that because they hump the leg of GM and believe anything they say, sure, but I highly doubt that Pontiac would spend a couple million on a car, then rebadge it as one of the greatest namesakes from Pontiac, only to offer it for three years, especially the way they adapted things like LS2, dual exhaust, restyled hood, so rapidly. To me that looks like Pontiac tried to appease the buyers to try and help sales, but it was no use because the price didnt help selling it.

It's called testing the consumers, if its a hit, they will continue to build it. They werent going to import tons of them over, just to have them sit in lots, especially since it got mixed reviews. The magazines raved about it, but the consumer was wishy washy about it. I've seen a few cars that were only supposed to be built for a period of time, or a certain amount built, but since there was a demand, they continued to build for a little longer until they finally said they really had to stop producing. I've also seen cars taht were supposed to be a mainstay car, but the public didnt buy and was cut early. If you think GM really was only going to produce for three years and close the doors, specially since they were looking to fill that affordable sports car slot the Firebird/ Camaro had, then I got some magic beans for you to buy as well.

What I believe they ment to say was the initial build was to be for three years at a rate of 18,000 units per year, and if it was deemed profitable ( they sold well) they would recontract to continue to build after 2006. Get it?

Like I said, I highly doubt they would look into putting R&D money into a right hand drive car that needed to be converted into let hand drive and to make it legal for the U.S., which is actually not as easy as it may seem, and use the GTO namesake, the definition of the begining of the Musclecar age, change the car rapidly after the first year including the engine, and bodywork, just to shut the doors after three years. :rollseye:

[maroman88]

Nah, I don't get it, If you want to believe that by reading Wiki, and listening to other people say that because they hump the leg of GM and believe anything they say, sure, but I highly doubt that Pontiac would spend a couple million on a car, then rebadge it as one of the greatest namesakes from Pontiac, only to offer it for three years, especially the way they adapted things like LS2, dual exhaust, restyled hood, so rapidly. To me that looks like Pontiac tried to appease the buyers to try and help sales, but it was no use because the price didnt help selling it.

It's called testing the consumers, if its a hit, they will continue to build it. They werent going to import tons of them over, just to have them sit in lots, especially since it got mixed reviews. The magazines raved about it, but the consumer was wishy washy about it. I've seen a few cars that were only supposed to be built for a period of time, or a certain amount built, but since there was a demand, they continued to build for a little longer until they finally said they really had to stop producing. I've also seen cars taht were supposed to be a mainstay car, but the public didnt buy and was cut early. If you think GM really was only going to produce for three years and close the doors, specially since they were looking to fill that affordable sports car slot the Firebird/ Camaro had, then I got some magic beans for you to buy as well.

What I believe they ment to say was the initial build was to be for three years at a rate of 18,000 units per year, and if it was deemed profitable ( they sold well) they would recontract to continue to build after 2006. Get it?

Like I said, I highly doubt they would look into putting R&D money into a right hand drive car that needed to be converted into let hand drive and to make it legal for the U.S., which is actually not as easy as it may seem, and use the GTO namesake, the definition of the begining of the Musclecar age, change the car rapidly after the first year including the engine, and bodywork, just to shut the doors after three years. :rollseye:

lol someone doesnt take NO for an answer. the cars production was ended in australia as well, if it ended there, how would it be imported here?...

[firebirdcrazy]

I am waiting for the Convertible. I will be definately purchasing that. Hopefully I will know soon when I could put in my order. I wont have to bother with the mark ups either since I will be ordering factory direct.

[BigAls87Z28]

Nah, I don't get it, If you want to believe that by reading Wiki, and listening to other people say that because they hump the leg of GM and believe anything they say, sure, but I highly doubt that Pontiac would spend a couple million on a car, then rebadge it as one of the greatest namesakes from Pontiac, only to offer it for three years, especially the way they adapted things like LS2, dual exhaust, restyled hood, so rapidly. To me that looks like Pontiac tried to appease the buyers to try and help sales, but it was no use because the price didnt help selling it.

Whoa there big fella.
Humping the leg of GM has nothing to do with the fact that the VZ platform, the one that the GTO was built on, was dead after 2006.
Pontiac didnt spend a DIME on the car outside of the updated crash standards.
They announced it AT THE BEGNINING that the GTO would only be a 3 year run model, at an expected 15k units ayear.
The LS2, dual exhaust, and restyled hood was all carried over from the Holden Monaro. Holden updates thier cars very regularly to make sure they are #1.
If you want to get technical, the 2004 GTO is on VY. The 2005 and 2006 are on VZ.
The G8 is on an all new from the ground up RWD platform and shares very little with the older VZ platform.
There is no more Monaro, so there was no more GTO.
You are wrong, you have been informed, now keep your mouth shut.

It's called testing the consumers, if its a hit, they will continue to build it. They werent going to import tons of them over, just to have them sit in lots, especially since it got mixed reviews. The magazines raved about it, but the consumer was wishy washy about it. I've seen a few cars that were only supposed to be built for a period of time, or a certain amount built, but since there was a demand, they continued to build for a little longer until they finally said they really had to stop producing. I've also seen cars taht were supposed to be a mainstay car, but the public didnt buy and was cut early. If you think GM really was only going to produce for three years and close the doors, specially since they were looking to fill that affordable sports car slot the Firebird/ Camaro had, then I got some magic beans for you to buy as well.

The GTO was never supposed to really fill in the shoes of the Firebird, but give Firebird and other Pontiac owners a change to own a higher class car, offering a world class sports coupe with a powerplant that is a staple of GM Performance,.
The Public was wishy-washy because it had 3 letters on it. And by public, I mean 50 year old cry babies and 20 year old dbags who think/thought the GTO was some sort of mythical beast when it was in fact the equivalent to a Grand Am with hood scoops.

What I believe they ment to say was the initial build was to be for three years at a rate of 18,000 units per year, and if it was deemed profitable ( they sold well) they would recontract to continue to build after 2006. Get it?

Like I said, I highly doubt they would look into putting R&D money into a right hand drive car that needed to be converted into let hand drive and to make it legal for the U.S., which is actually not as easy as it may seem, and use the GTO namesake, the definition of the begining of the Musclecar age, change the car rapidly after the first year including the engine, and bodywork, just to shut the doors after three years. :rollseye:

IT WAS ALREADY PAID FOR!!
****s sake man, read something! Holden makes probably more LHD cars then RHD, and they sure as hell dont go to America!! Middle East, Mainland Europe, and other parts of the world that have LHD and worship these cars.
You could not be any farther from the truth.

There were talks of bringing back the Monaro on the VE platform, giving the Commodore a coupe variant, but with the economic fall out, and GM already pouring money into another coupe version, add on to the fact that Pontiac was going to die (it was supposed to be phased out by 2014, but Chap11 forced thier hand), they decided to no move foward with the Monaro.

The doors were never shut. It was built along the same line as every other Monaro and Monaro variant that was sold globally.
The VZ platform was dead. Holden was bringing thier new chassis in. There was no plans for a coupe. In fact, the VY/VZ chassis wasnt designed to be a coupe either till they displayed a coupe concept in 97 I belive.

And to tie it all together, the VY chassis, the one that sits under the GTO, was supposed to be the base for the 2003 Camaro and Firebird, but because of low sales and low demand, not to mention "not designed here" mentality, they canned the car.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

[Knipps]

lol someone doesnt take NO for an answer. the cars production was ended in australia as well, if it ended there, how would it be imported here?...

really long post
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[Blacdout96]

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Congrats Al, you are one of the finest examples of GM Humpers I've ever seen :D

[BigAls87Z28]

I don't know how when I present facts that it makes me a gm leg humper. Sorry if I like to pay attention to the industry as a hobby and as a part time job almost.
Don't be upset that you were wrong.

[Blacdout96]

Hey everyone makes mistakes in their lives, I never said I was perfect...thus why in my original post where this flung off to it had the initials IMO, which in case you haven't heard, stand for In My Opinion, cause that's what I choose to believe, whether I'm wrong or not, just like religion, that's a belief whether they are wrong or not.

I like to pay attention too, but to me, ******** flies everywhere now a day's in this industry, too much for me to want to keep up. I like my Camaro, but I'm not a die hard Chevy fan, or GM fan for that matter. I like cars most of you don't care about, and like the type of racing our cars aren't primarily set up for, So I guess that makes me a different person, makes me think outside the blue box you all are in.

Al In the last thread, I didn't mean the leg humping in a bad way, just nudging ya there cause I know the plethora of knowledge you know about GM would soon leak out about the GTO in defense to my opinion of why the GTO left. I still think even after your long post that there is more to the reason for the GTO's early demise then meets the eyes, but for the most part the evidence shows that everything was set in place, but just some things to me seem odd.

[BigAls87Z28]

An opinion is fine but the facts you were talking about are wrong. I will say that had the GTO flew off lots like the camaro is doing, then the would have gotten more funding for the Coupe 60 project.

[Blacdout96]

They arent facts, the only facts I used were the changing of parts from 04 tothe 05-06 style, other then that, I express my opinion, wrong or not, thats all, I just think it's a douche thing for Knipps to say "get it" at the end of his comment after my opinion the first time, and as you know, it makes me pissed, theres no need for a snippy dick comment like that.

[BonzoHansen]

Like you've never made "a snippy dick comment". :rolleyes:

[Blacdout96]

I have anger problems, and my snippy dick comments arent as snippy dick as others, mine are quite watered down if anything. :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

The aren't even snippy dick comments at all really. Evil snippy dick comments.

[Blacdout96]

Is snippy dick the new thing to say? sweet, my foul mouth is a fashion statement.

[Savage_Messiah]

Hey everyone makes mistakes in their lives, I never said I was perfect...thus why in my original post where this flung off to it had the initials IMO


IMO is an acronym

/snippy dick comment :lol:

[NastyEllEssWon]

stole this from tech. thought it fit


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[Blacdout96]

Great, now the fidget just snippy dicked me, I have just hit rock bottom people.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

Well I live about 10 min from Kerbeck. They are idiots because about 10 more minutes down the street you can buy one from Bennett Chevrolet for sticker!! My girl brought a Cobalt from there 3 weeks agos and the 2 they had just gotten in sold within hours. The Salesman said that they don't keep the ones they get for more than a day while Kerbeck has had about 5 in the past month. What crackheads

[Frosty]

Well I live about 10 min from Kerbeck. They are idiots because about 10 more minutes down the street you can buy one from Bennett Chevrolet for sticker!!

I'd say with their inventory stock and their revenue they're far from idiots. :rofl: Do you think they'll care if that car sits for a few months? Do you think it'll put a financial burden on them if the car sits? Certainly not. That thing will sell to a buyer 5 states away who saw it on the internet and "just has to have it now" because there are none in their area. An out of state person will have no idea who Bennett Chevy is....that car will eventually sell close to their asking price. If it does, who is the idiot? Kerbeck or the person that bought it at that price? ;)

[CJDZ24_Z28]

I'd say with their inventory stock and their revenue they're far from idiots. :rofl: Do you think they'll care if that car sits for a few months? Do you think it'll put a financial burden on them if the car sits? Certainly not. That thing will sell to a buyer 5 states away who saw it on the internet and "just has to have it now" because there are none in their area. An out of state person will have no idea who Bennett Chevy is....that car will eventually sell close to their asking price. If it does, who is the idiot? Kerbeck or the person that bought it at that price? ;)


True but even though Kerbeck sells Ferraris and exotics and stuff their general inventory is low. They barely have 15 Vettes on the lot. I'm sure in this ecomony even if they got a couple grand over sticker it would help. I don't see people flocking there like i did 2 summers ago. Not to mention they had to lay off some workers

[BonzoHansen]

I'd say with their inventory stock and their revenue they're far from idiots. :rofl: Do you think they'll care if that car sits for a few months? Do you think it'll put a financial burden on them if the car sits? Certainly not. That thing will sell to a buyer 5 states away who saw it on the internet and "just has to have it now" because there are none in their area. An out of state person will have no idea who Bennett Chevy is....that car will eventually sell close to their asking price. If it does, who is the idiot? Kerbeck or the person that bought it at that price? ;)

Yes, at some point the carry costs of the vehicles matters to the dealer.

[Frosty]

Yes, at some point the carry costs of the vehicles matters to the dealer.

No doubt, but a dealership like that will have more time than others.

[madness410]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_O4hD0z-yo&feature=dir

fast forward to :41. for an extra grand you can order your camaro to be a transformer edition.

i personally thought it was lame.

[thunder]

does it come with megan fox?

[firebirdcrazy]

Looks nothing like the movie camaro so its lame!!