LT1's really do suck!

[NJ346]

My hatred for LT1's just got even bigger(as if that's possible). I got to work on one today and what a pain in the ass it is. On top of that, when everything is finished, you can't even take it out for a spin and enjoy the ride because they are so ****ing slow! ****ing boat anchors tore up fingers and knuckles. God damn, never buy an Lt1 car, they're slow, constantly have oil leaks, and are very un-entertaining!

/ rant

[maroman88]

u got paid to fix a car...if they break soooo often, u make more money. i loved mine, never had a single problem with it even with 128k miles

[LTb1ow]

You just suck at cars.

[Squirrel]

My hatred for LT1's just got even bigger(as if that's possible). I got to work on one today and what a pain in the ass it is. On top of that, when everything is finished, you can't even take it out for a spin and enjoy the ride because they are so ****ing slow! ****ing boat anchors tore up fingers and knuckles. God damn, never buy an Lt1 car, they're slow, constantly have oil leaks, and are very un-entertaining!

/ rant

mine ran 13's stock with 150+k on it...

[NJ346]

u got paid to fix a car...if they break soooo often, u make more money. i loved mine, never had a single problem with it even with 128k miles

actually it was a favor, so that's what made it even worse. Wasted 4 hrs on a radiator because the bottom of the radiator support got ****ed up in an accident.

[BigRocsFirebird]

hey at this point i'd take a Lt1. i have a 3.4L haha

[emolineaux]

mine ran 13's stock with 150+k on it...

my 93 ss clone lt1 ran 13s stock with 177k + miles lol

[BonzoHansen]

actually it was a favor, so that's what made it even worse. Wasted 4 hrs on a radiator because the bottom of the radiator support got ****ed up in an accident.

:rofl:and that is lt1's fault :rofl:

[LTb1ow]

http://tim3n.de/images/Whine.jpg

Go swap lifters on the LS1 car and come back.

[NJ346]

http://tim3n.de/images/Whine.jpg

Go swap lifters on the LS1 car and come back.

that's easy...the Ls1 is on the engine stand :moon:

[NJ346]

:rofl:and that is lt1's fault :rofl:

no, but the fact that when I finally got it done and then took it for a spin after and got no enjoyment from the ride...that is the LT1's fault.

[Blackbirdws6]

:rofl:and that is lt1's fault :rofl:

+1

I do have to admit my car is not the most fun to work on however I do ask for it. My latest valve cover install left my arms scraped and cut to hell. Just about everything I do on the car makes me bleed but...I do enjoy it when it's done.

I would think someone of your stature should be able to get just about anywhere on a car. Suck it up :)

[JL8Jeff]

There's really no difference working on an LT1 car vs an LS1 car. It's the 4th gen engine compartment that is FTL! Stop whining until you have to change out the passenger side AIR check valve on a 93 LT1! The LS1 was a bigger PITA when it comes to the rear passenger side spark plug and wire when doing headers and I've done them on both engines. The best thing about the LS1 is that it makes a good 30-50 hp more than an LT1 with the same mods and still idles smooth as can be and passes inspection easily! :nod: Radiator! Give me a break! 8-)

-

[Slow-V6]

Oh and let me tell you that the LS1 Fbody is so easy to work on!! Yes the LT1 is a Pain but so is any 4th gen Fbody. And another thing, Its a F-body!! If you were a true Fbody fan then it shouldnt matter what engine is in the car to be enjoyable to drive! I have a blast driving my buddies 81 Turbo 301 T/A ! That this is a 16 second car but I still enjoy driving it around.

[HeadlessNorseman]

If you were a true Fbody fan then it shouldnt matter what engine is in the car to be enjoyable to drive!


truth

[NJ346]

There's really no difference working on an LT1 car vs an LS1 car. It's the 4th gen engine compartment that is FTL! Stop whining until you have to change out the passenger side AIR check valve on a 93 LT1! The LS1 was a bigger PITA when it comes to the rear passenger side spark plug and wire when doing headers and I've done them on both engines. The best thing about the LS1 is that it makes a good 30-50 hp more than an LT1 with the same mods and still idles smooth as can be and passes inspection easily! :nod: Radiator! Give me a break! 8-)

-

I don't doubt the radiator job is any easier on my car, it was just the disappointment after the job was done that the power just wasn't there that I'm used to. I guess that's the difference between a 14 second car and a 12 second car.

[BigRocsFirebird]

hey switch drivetains with me.. i have no problem lol

[LS1ow]

http://www.thenile.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/haterade-logo.jpg

[Miles]

i want to buy a nice ls1...but i have so many lt1 options its not even funny..

[sweetbmxrider]

go touch the back of your intake

[Triple-A]

I have worked on both and absolutely love working on LT1.
Maybe cuz on my own LT1 there is not a single bolts that I haven't torched.
I had a lot more trouble working on LS than LT... need more tools.

[KirkEvil]

I had a lot more trouble working on LS than LT... need more tools.

What? You could practically disassemble an entire ls1 car with a 8, 10, and 15mm wrench.

[BonzoHansen]

What? You could practically disassemble an entire ls1 car with one plasma cutter.

fixed

[Pampered-Z]

I have worked on both and absolutely love working on LT1.
Maybe cuz on my own LT1 there is not a single bolts that I haven't torched.
I had a lot more trouble working on LS than LT... need more tools.

I'd have to agree with that, I have no problems working on LTs, but LSs I'm still on a learning curve. But them, I've probably pulled apart 25 LT1 over the years and they are far more like a traditional SBC and I've only gotten into about 3-4 LS1s?

Far as LTs being so much slower then an LS I really don't see that much difference when stock? Well , maybe if you happned to drive one with the 2:73s gears. Drive one with the 3:42 and they are only a tick slower then an LS and both engine run/feel the same, you don't really feel the claimed "extra torque" of the LT engine, nor the "top end" of the LS. At least not from my butt-o-meter.

[camaroracer1992]

i know plenty of people with lt1's and they dont bitch. the ls series is def a bad ass motor but the LT's are just as good

[LTb1ow]

I don't doubt the radiator job is any easier on my car, it was just the disappointment after the job was done that the power just wasn't there that I'm used to. I guess that's the difference between a 14 second car and a 12 second car.

So can I borrow your car to make my car feel faster?

[NJ346]

i love the new title i have below my name now...thanks bonzo!

[BonzoHansen]

I did not do that. Although I am quite amused.

[CamaroJoe1987]

LT1's aren't really that hard to work on, just gotta concentrate on what your doing, and stay calm, i know something like headers is a difficult job, but my experiences havent been that bad to say i hate them

[BonzoHansen]

LT1's aren't really that hard to work on, just gotta concentrate on what your doing, and stay calm, i know something like headers is a difficult job, but my experiences havent been that bad to say i hate them
That is a tall order for a 18 year old, now isn't it? :lol:

[sweetbmxrider]

:lol: freakin youngins with their iphones and interwebs and starbucks

[madness410]

:lol: freakin youngins with their iphones and interwebs and starbucks

yeah! freaking starbucks!

[LTb1ow]

I wish I had a 12 sec car, then I could think my saturn was slow.

[JerzLT1]

your bitching about a radiator? please never change your rear passenger side spark plug

[Triple-A]

What? You could practically disassemble an entire ls1 car with a 8, 10, and 15mm wrench.
So as LT... but if you try doing cam,oil pump, timing chain/sprox(in the car)... LT is little bit easier.

[LTb1ow]

So as LT... but if you try doing cam,oil pump, timing chain/sprox(in the car)... LT is little bit easier.

Gonna have to disagree... LT1 M6 car is impossible to drop pan with motor in car... A4 is no walk in the park either...

[KirkEvil]

So as LT... but if you try doing cam,oil pump, timing chain/sprox(in the car)... LT is little bit easier.

No. LT1's are put together with standard sizes. And there is the opti in the way when doing a cam swap.

[NJ346]

your bitching about a radiator? please never change your rear passenger side spark plug

I did that when I put the headers in...not a problem. Just take all the emissions crap off and it's a walk in the park.

[LTb1ow]

No. LT1's are put together with standard sizes. And there is the opti in the way when doing a cam swap.

Yea thats real hard to take off, same bolts as timing cover....

[Triple-A]

Gonna have to disagree... LT1 M6 car is impossible to drop pan with motor in car... A4 is no walk in the park either...

Easy! just did it few weeks ago. raise motor and 6 bolts to lover the k-member.... same as LS.
can't say anything about A4.. never worked on A4 LT.

[LTb1ow]

Well an LS1 you can just yank timing cover and voila swap pumps.

[Tru2Chevy]

i love the new title i have below my name now...thanks bonzo!

I did not do that. Although I am quite amused.

:wavey:

- Justin

[Triple-A]

No. LT1's are put together with standard sizes. And there is the opti in the way when doing a cam swap.

I used 10mm(if I remember right) on timing cover and OPTI. OPTI only 3 bolts and its out. piece a cake. 8-)

[LTb1ow]

I used 10mm(if I remember right) on timing cover and OPTI. OPTI only 3 bolts and its out. piece a cake. 8-)

You should cease and desist while your ahead... like arguing with a brick wall these LS1 nuthuggers....

[Triple-A]

Well an LS1 you can just yank timing cover and voila swap pumps.

No. (if you talking about oil pump...) you need to take oil pan to gain access to oil pick up to oil pump bolts.

[LTb1ow]

No. (if you talking about oil pump...) you need to take oil pan to gain access to oil pick up to oil pump bolts.

Yea, IDK, not my ball field... LS1 land is a strange place... piston slapping and what not...

[Triple-A]

You should cease and desist while your ahead... like arguing with a brick wall these LS1 nuthuggers....

I just have nothing to do. 8-)

[LTb1ow]

Same here. But you won't win. They will just make fun of you and your slow car.

[Triple-A]

Same here. But you won't win. They will just make fun of you and your slow car.

You didn't get the point. I'm not trying to win. I'm not claiming that I have fast car.. (I have Hayabusa for that, i'll race ANY LT,LS, what ever, with it)
All I'm saying is that I love my LT1 and i'm proud of it.. even though its piece of junk.. so as LS :mrgreen:

[BarneyMobile]

Yea, IDK, not my ball field... LS1 land is a strange place... piston slapping and what not...
My LT1 had piston slap:moon:
I've owned both and have done extensive work on both LS & LT engines. Hands down the LS motor is easier to work on :nod: My H/C swap only took 7 hours on my LS1. I cant say the same thing for my LT1. I loved my LT1 but I didnt deny the fact that the LS motor was a better design and easier to work on.

Flame On LS1 Haters :rollseye:

[LTb1ow]

Only hating cause you LS1 boyz hate.

Circle logic. :)

[sweetbmxrider]

honestly neither is hard to work on, especially when you are just ripping the crap out :)

[Triple-A]

honestly neither is hard to work on, especially when you are just ripping the crap out :)

True! when you take out old/stock parts and put back in new shiny good aftermarket/performance parts... :drool:

[enRo]

http://www.craphound.com/images/xkcdwrongoninternet.jpg

[Slow-V6]

When I had my 98 V6 firebird I thought that car was a pain in the ass to work on. Then I got the LS1 T/A and thought that was a pain to work on. Now we have the LT1 also and that seems to be a pain to work on. Its just the F-body platform all together.I dont think it matters what engine they put in it its still a Pain especially if you are not use to working on them!!

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Like posted previously, all V8 4th gens are a pita to work on. The LS is just easier then the LT.

[98tadriver]

What? You could practically disassemble an entire ls1 car with a 8, 10, and 15mm wrench.

lol i was just telling my friend about that the other day!

[98tadriver]

I did that when I put the headers in...not a problem. Just take all the emissions crap off and it's a walk in the park.

lol i have trouble getting my hand/arm to the rear pass side plug. i do that one from underneath with a sparkplug socket and a ratchet wrench

[sweetbmxrider]

Like posted previously, all V8 4th gens are a pita to work on. The LS is just easier then the LT.

xplain, i mean no offense but you didn't even put on a tranny cooler. that is pretty hard to screw up, though i have seen it happen....on an ls1 :-?

[LTb1ow]

xplain, i mean no offense but you didn't even put on a tranny cooler. that is pretty hard to screw up, though i have seen it happen....on an ls1 :-?

Annnnd response?:rofl:

[Mike]

my plugs take 10 minutes....whats wrong with you people?













oh wait, i dont have a heater box and soon to be no ecm in my way :)

[transmaro93]

wow! good call.. i didnt realize how much it opens up the side for plug changes when you delete the ac box.... sweet... now im really happy i did it!!!! haha my car is going to be so "plaint jane" and simple under the hood i dont think anything will be hard to work on anymore... damn ls1 nut huggers.... ls1's really arent that much easier to work on... they slightly are for tune ups and such.. but thats about it... the rest of the car is pretty much the same... i still dont understand why you guys hate on the lt1 so much... loosers..

my plugs take 10 minutes....whats wrong with you people?













oh wait, i dont have a heater box and soon to be no ecm in my way :)

[maroman88]

third gens FTW in this category! easy to work on and u can see the whole engine :)

[Frosty]

third gens FTW in this category! easy to work on and u can see the whole engine :)

Uh oh, you just opened up a can of worms there, lol. On a side note I catching crap from a seriously arrogant LS1 owner over the weekend. Apparently L98's aren't supposed to last 140K...they usually blow up a lot earlier...they don't last as long as LS1 in any situation I was told.

Gotta love it :rolleyes:

[dugeman]

F-body's get even harder to work on when you stuff a 632 cu/in. Dart big block in one.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

There's really no difference working on an LT1 car vs an LS1 car. It's the 4th gen engine compartment that is FTL! Stop whining until you have to change out the passenger side AIR check valve on a 93 LT1! The LS1 was a bigger PITA when it comes to the rear passenger side spark plug and wire when doing headers and I've done them on both engines. The best thing about the LS1 is that it makes a good 30-50 hp more than an LT1 with the same mods and still idles smooth as can be and passes inspection easily! :nod: Radiator! Give me a break! 8-)

-

JEFF YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! ALl you have to do is remove the passenger side coilpacks and you have easy access. I changed all the plugs and wires on my 00 Vette and my back them 00 Formula in less than 2hrs taking my time. ALso did headers on my last 00 Formula with a member here took us less than 4hrs from beginning to end. It took me a hour to run my plug wires on my last LT1 a few years back and i wouldn't do it again.

I do love the LT1 sound and the front end of LT1 cars. Also owned one with 180k that ran like a top

THE LS1 IS EASY TO WORK ON FOR ANYONE WITH ANY KIND OF MECHANICAL SKILL!!!!!

[BonzoHansen]

THE LS1 IS EASY TO WORK ON FOR ANYONE WITH ANY KIND OF MECHANICAL SKILL!!!!!

Based on what I see around here and other places, you don't even need that. :rofl::rofl:

[JL8Jeff]

JEFF YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! ALl you have to do is remove the passenger side coilpacks and you have easy access.

So 30-40 minutes later after removing the AIR pipes, moving the wire harness, trying to find the rear coil(you can't even see it) I would have had the starter dropped on an LT1 and the plug out and new one in and starter back in place. LS1's are not easier than LT1's to work on in a 4th gen. They each have their different PITA parts to deal with.

[Firebird67dude]

Atleast LT1 are REAL 350 ci. not 346. MY LT1 has 190000 and runs 13s all day with only full exhaust.

Some LS1 people seem like the most arrogant people on earth. God bless the LS1. Put it to rest already its a dinosaur motor. Theres the LS2, LS6, hell theres an LS7 and a niner in there right? LS1 and dinos. update ur motors.

If i get this new jobie I'll have a N/A LT1 motor that will put most LS1s to shame.

[LTb1ow]

Atleast LT1 are REAL 350 ci. not 346. MY LT1 has 190000 and runs 13s all day with only full exhaust.

Some LS1 people seem like the most arrogant people on earth. God bless the LS1. Put it to rest already its a dinosaur motor. Theres the LS2, LS6, hell theres an LS7 and a niner in there right? LS1 and dinos. update ur motors.

If i get this new jobie I'll have a N/A LT1 motor that will put most LS1s to shame.

You could have a 9 sec all motor LT1... and the LS1 boys and their gutted bolt on cars will be calling you out still.... you cannot win.

:|

[Firebird67dude]

You could have a 9 sec all motor LT1... and the LS1 boys and their gutted bolt on cars will be calling you out still.... you cannot win.

:|

True, I'll be full interior still. LEave the gutted cars to hondas.

[sweetbmxrider]

i spilled my guts. i'll admit that running the passenger side wires the stock way is a pita.

[NJ346]

Atleast LT1 are REAL 350 ci. not 346. MY LT1 has 190000 and runs 13s all day with only full exhaust.

Some LS1 people seem like the most arrogant people on earth. God bless the LS1. Put it to rest already its a dinosaur motor. Theres the LS2, LS6, hell theres an LS7 and a niner in there right? LS1 and dinos. update ur motors.

If i get this new jobie I'll have a N/A LT1 motor that will put most LS1s to shame.

*knock*knock* arrogant LS1 owner chiming in*

My car has 4ci less than urs, is stock internal, full weight, oh and 187K miles, and oh wait... has run plenty of 12.4's :wink:

[sweetbmxrider]

stock weight includes drag wheels and !front sway bar? :lol:

[LTb1ow]

Your car is full weight? LS1s came stock with slicks and skinnies?

Geez, guess GM caught on to the 5.0 craze... does your car have flowmasters?

[transmaro93]

hahahahaha nitro sisters are so funny when the team up... i love it!!! talken to al today... he hasn't even got an ls1 yet... and hes already developing his nut huggen sensibility... its scary what ls1's do to people... false sense of reality on the world..... haha sorry AL j/k budd

[CJDZ24_Z28]

So 30-40 minutes later after removing the AIR pipes, moving the wire harness, trying to find the rear coil(you can't even see it) I would have had the starter dropped on an LT1 and the plug out and new one in and starter back in place. LS1's are not easier than LT1's to work on in a 4th gen. They each have their different PITA parts to deal with.

Air pump pipes are held in by 2 bolts, remove the 10mm bolts holding the coilpack in (unless you have a 98 which each coil pack is individual) Disconnect the wires to harness easy Acess. LS1's are easier to work on. Almost any big budget shop will discriminate against LT1's and also most shops that post there prices will only post their price to work on a LS1 F-car. A few former sponsors of this site will tell you the same thing. I work with my hands everyday but i'm far from a mechanic and I have done almost everything imaginable on these LS1 cars. I have owned 7 LS1 cars and 5 LT1 cars. The LT1s were usually driven to the shop for some repairs. I even got so frustrated with my very last LT1 car i took it to the stealership to get repaired and i didn't even care about cost. That is something i would never ever do!

[Frosty]

The horse is dead already.

[transmaro93]

Air pump pipes are held in by 2 bolts, remove the 10mm bolts holding the coilpack in (unless you have a 98 which each coil pack is individual) Disconnect the wires to harness easy Acess. LS1's are easier to work on. Almost any big budget shop will discriminate against LT1's and also most shops that post there prices will only post their price to work on a LS1 F-car. A few former sponsors of this site will tell you the same thing. I work with my hands everyday but i'm far from a mechanic and I have done almost everything imaginable on these LS1 cars. I have owned 7 LS1 cars and 5 LT1 cars. The LT1s were usually driven to the shop for some repairs. I even got so frustrated with my very last LT1 car i took it to the stealership to get repaired and i didn't even care about cost. That is something i would never ever do!

from someone who works on all makes and models of cars everyday... nothing is hard to work on once you figure out how they come apart... if you get frustrated that easy then thank god you aren't a mechanic.... might I ask what it was that set you off enough to take it to the dealer??

[CJDZ24_Z28]

Atleast LT1 are REAL 350 ci. not 346. MY LT1 has 190000 and runs 13s all day with only full exhaust.

Some LS1 people seem like the most arrogant people on earth. God bless the LS1. Put it to rest already its a dinosaur motor. Theres the LS2, LS6, hell theres an LS7 and a niner in there right? LS1 and dinos. update ur motors.

Hey ALL the motors you mentioned are based off of the LS1........... and don't forget there is a LS3 :rolleyes: Also 95% of these parts are interchangeable so the LS1 will live on for a LONG time

I personally have nothing against the LT1. Like i said i owned 5 of them but will never own another unless i get a LT4 97 SS and i wouldnt get rid of my LSx cars for one.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

from someone who works on all makes and models of cars everyday... nothing is hard to work on once you figure out how they come apart... if you get frustrated that easy then thank god you aren't a mechanic.... might I ask what it was that set you off enough to take it to the dealer??

How was i frustrated easy when i never told the story?? The car was apart in my driveway for more than a week. I purchased a brand new opti and supporting parts. Installed it and car wouldn't crank over. After removing and checking things several times i gave up.Turns out I did everything right but got a defective opti from Gmpartsdirect. Also it doesn't matter how things come apart. The design of the LT1 block access to and make it harder to do certain things like running the plug wires etc. Now for those that have the Opti replacement that makes things alot easier

[NJ346]

Your car is full weight? LS1s came stock with slicks and skinnies?

Geez, guess GM caught on to the 5.0 craze... does your car have flowmasters?

the 50 lbs extra from the 9in more than makes up for the tires and swaybar.

[transmaro93]

yea i actually had that happen to me on my old 93 t/a... opti went and the replacement was defective... this was before i did my own work and the mechanic i used even tried to put a new computer in it... and when that didnt work he got another opti and sure enough... i didnt have to pay for the computer though... so your not the only one... i can see how that can be frustrating... but its not the lt1's fault... it was crappy parts fault... i agree the way they run the wires is a pain... but in 93 thats all they had... im going to be running ltcc so i wont have to worry about that... tune ups will be a walk in the park... but iv done plug wires and plugs on my current car twice... and its time consuming but not hard... o and vinnie... its not our fault you kept breaking rears!!!!!!1

[sweetbmxrider]

you can test your opti to see if its defective. who likes things easy? takes a real man to work on an lt1/sbc :wink:

[JL8Jeff]

Try changing plug wires on an LT1 with a Powerdyne supercharger! :lol: No way to get leverage on the wires at the Opti so it took quite a while to pull them off 1 by 1. Anything done right takes time so it really doesn't make a difference what the engine is. And yes :horse:

[transmaro93]

Stop it!!!!!! That horse is already dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JerzLT1]

*knock*knock* arrogant LS1 owner chiming in*

My car has 4ci less than urs, is stock internal, full weight, oh and 187K miles, and oh wait... has run plenty of 12.4's :wink:

my old 96 had full bolt ons with the stock tq converter and went 12.51, that means with a 3200 in it i wouldve been faster then you. get off your high horse

[V]

ECO-TEC FTW... now what ? huh? huh? thats right...

[sweetbmxrider]

ECO-TEC FTW... now what ? huh? huh? thats right...

i had to replace a rack in one, freakin thing is manual! so sick i wanted to keep the core but the rack wasn't even close for an f bod

[CJDZ24_Z28]

Try changing plug wires on an LT1 with a Powerdyne supercharger! :lol: No way to get leverage on the wires at the Opti so it took quite a while to pull them off 1 by 1

OMG I wouldnt want to imagine that:barf:

[Savage_Messiah]

third gens FTW in this category! easy to work on and u can see the whole engine :)

v6s FTW here

who else doesnt have to lift the car to get the oil filter off? eh?

[V]

v6 owners unite!!!!!!!!!!!

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

xplain, i mean no offense but you didn't even put on a tranny cooler. that is pretty hard to screw up, though i have seen it happen....on an ls1 :-?

I live in an apt. w/ absolutely no room to do anything along w/ a limited amount of tools...wanna race?

[Tru2Chevy]

v6s FTW here

who else doesnt have to lift the car to get the oil filter off? eh?

I can remove the oil filter on both Jeeps and the Camaro with all 4 wheels on the ground without an issue. :moon:

- Justin

[LTb1ow]

I live in an apt. w/ absolutely no room to do anything along w/ a limited amount of tools...wanna race?

That an open invitation?

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

That an open invitation?

It was a joke and you should be the last person calling people out w/ a heads cam LT1 barely breaking outta the 13's.

[LTb1ow]

It was a joke and you should be the last person calling people out w/ a heads cam LT1 barely breaking outta the 13's.

So race me?

[sweetbmxrider]

I live in an apt. w/ absolutely no room to do anything along w/ a limited amount of tools...wanna race?

yes

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

yes

Lol....ok.

[sweetbmxrider]

Lol....ok.

when and where and what for?

[LTb1ow]

http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-OhSnap_Bear.jpg

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Not interested, could careless if you were ten minutes faster then me....Im in fear of the air foil....

[LTb1ow]

LOL.

I is in fear of fuddles going boom.

[sweetbmxrider]

Not interested, could careless if you were ten minutes faster then me....Im in fear of the air foil....

its cool i'd get cold feet too. tornados do work and improve gas mileage. win win for me

[NJ346]

Adam is your car even running anymore?

Matt-going to the track this week? I'll get in a few last passes stock internals just to see how we do...

[sweetbmxrider]

Adam is your car even running anymore?

Matt-going to the track this week? I'll get in a few last passes stock internals just to see how we do...

who said anything about cars? i was down for a trike race

i'd go to atco with my camarao and take fotos

[NJ346]

who said anything about cars? i was down for a trike race

oh damn, you got too much experience behind the handle bars for me...eff that!

[LTb1ow]

LS1 callout, LS1 bitches out.

LS1 ftl?

[NJ346]

LS1 callout, LS1 bitches out.

LS1 ftl?

nonsense....Mr. Ihaveanlt1carwithanLS1init bitched out. I am game.

[LTb1ow]

LOL. Well I will let you know if I venture to Atco anytime soon.

[transmaro93]

im also down for the track... id like to go a few more times before the season ends... i enjoy spectating...

[NJ346]

LOL. Well I will let you know if I venture to Atco anytime soon.

well if I beat you while still stock internals, it will solidify the argument of catfish supremacy. And if you beat me, well then I'll just have to change out the stock internals and have at it again in a few weeks.

[transmaro93]

what are you plans vinnie...?? doin a winter build?

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

nonsense....Mr. Ihaveanlt1carwithanLS1init bitched out. I am game.

I love how I have an 18 yo kid telling me i bitched out rofl...you'll realize in a few years that theres more important things in life. I was racing these cars at @ Englishtown when your were still on a milk & cookies break in the 1st grade. Please dont mistaken my lack of interest for being a bitch.

[LTb1ow]

well if I beat you while still stock internals, it will solidify the argument of catfish supremacy. And if you beat me, well then I'll just have to change out the stock internals and have at it again in a few weeks.

Would not be a fair race, I suck at racing... I will wait till you get your cam in there and spray. Should be interesting if I ever get it to hook and run like it should.

[NJ346]

what are you plans vinnie...?? doin a winter build?

no winter build here :lol:...
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/NJNETSFAN515/DSC01569.jpg

[transmaro93]

there is too many bolts in those mains.... so what are the plans!!! just a heads cam... or are you going all out.... gonna spray it?

[NJ346]

there is too many bolts in those mains.... so what are the plans!!! just a heads cam... or are you going all out.... gonna spray it?

idk yet...might go cam only, throw some ls6 heads on that I have sitting in the garage, or just port and mill the stock heads. Bottom end will be untouched, motor is low mileage and I was just checked bearing clearances. Motor should be in the car in a few weeks....no hurry. The cam will not be radical, something similar to Doug's car, except I have a 9in so I'll have to do a lil work to make up for it so I can keep up with him.

[sweetbmxrider]

I live in an apt. w/ absolutely no room to do anything along w/ a limited amount of tools...wanna race?

yes

Lol....ok.

when and where and what for?

Not interested, could careless if you were ten minutes faster then me....Im in fear of the air foil....

:shrug: i don't get it? vinnie said you bitched out. so if you didn't get cold feet, what did you do?

[NJ346]

a lot of good came out of this thread...:popcorn:

[LTb1ow]

Nope, same ole NJfboa call out BS and then nada...


Hell, I have a sweet 8 second car, with NO trailer!

[sweetbmxrider]

tis a great thread when the ls1 boys put us lt1ers in our place :mrgreen:


wait, where are we?



THATS IT I"M PULLIN MY MOTOR!!!! WHERE'S THE GEN IV BLOCK??

[NJ346]

very nice lt1 car...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkBsVrmPat0&feature=player_embedded

[Savage_Messiah]

this thread makes my head hurt

[LTb1ow]

You have a slow (not working? ) V6, your opinion is null and void.

[sweetbmxrider]

I love how I have an 18 yo kid telling me i bitched out rofl...you'll realize in a few years that theres more important things in life. I was racing these cars at @ Englishtown when your were still on a milk & cookies break in the 1st grade. Please dont mistaken my lack of interest for being a bitch.

man, i thought with age comes wisdom.

and i still eat milk and cookies on my break

this thread makes my head hurt

aren't those the best kind?

[transmaro93]

what size cam vinnie i dont know what doug runs in his car... and that vid is a sweet car but i hate 1/8th racing... bores me....

[LTb1ow]

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachments/parts-sale/57688d1223294889-twin-turbo-lt1-phpwxwzgfpm.jpg

You could say that engine sucks a lot of air.

[NJ346]

what size cam vinnie i dont know what doug runs in his car... and that vid is a sweet car but i hate 1/8th racing... bores me....

a little smaller than dougs cam I think..I haven't ordered it yet. Probably going with a 228/232 if I do the heads too. If I stay cam only, the cam will be in the low 230's. All around/less than .600 lift and on a 112-114 lsa. Btw- that vid was of a full 1/4 pass, that track just showed 1/8 times too. That pass was a 9.20@152. 383 LT1 with a shot.

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah i was gunna say no way it was eighth. pretty streetable car

[transmaro93]

a little smaller than dougs cam I think..I haven't ordered it yet. Probably going with a 228/232 if I do the heads too. If I stay cam only, the cam will be in the low 230's. All around/less than .600 lift and on a 112-114 lsa. Btw- that vid was of a full 1/4 pass, that track just showed 1/8 times too. That pass was a 9.20@152. 383 LT1 with a shot.

sounds like a plan... you still gonna try and pass emissions with that??? dont know how the ls cars fair with cams that size and inspection... why do a 1/4 pass and only show 1/8 times... strange... sweet car none the less... and matt that engine pic makes me dizzy.. ahhhh

[Camarokid08731]

who cares about emisions if it makes u actually go fast

[NJ346]

sounds like a plan... you still gonna try and pass emissions with that??? dont know how the ls cars fair with cams that size and inspection... why do a 1/4 pass and only show 1/8 times... strange... sweet car none the less... and matt that engine pic makes me dizzy.. ahhhh

I dont have to worry about emissions and neither do you. OBDII ftw. No light=emissions passed.

[transmaro93]

nahh i know... but you still run cats... thats why i was asking..

[sweetbmxrider]

it showed 1/4 times at the end and with obd II, no sniffer to really know what is going on

[LTb1ow]

He needs cats or else his car would be light speed fast.

[NJ346]

nahh i know... but you still run cats... thats why i was asking..

Yea, cats will stay I think. The car wont pass inspection because of the cutout. It's due in 1/10, so I may just say eff it and run a ory, and tint that car too. THen pay for a sticker...

[transmaro93]

shhhhh!!! are you crazy with that talk... tints are gay... just another reason to get pulled over

[Lt1_8U]

shhhhh!!! are you crazy with that talk... tints are gay... just another reason to get pulled over

i second that! tints arn't worth it IMO, just get the rear hatch5% and call it a day8-)

[BonzoHansen]

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachments/parts-sale/57688d1223294889-twin-turbo-lt1-phpwxwzgfpm.jpg

You could say that engine sucks a lot of air.

Are those APS turbos? :lol::lol:

[LTb1ow]

APS is a company, but they do not make turbos, they make turbo kits. Old people.... geez

[BigAls87Z28]

Exactly what kind of car does that fit in, cause it sure isnt a damn 4th gen.
Or is that just something for people to walk around adn admire?
"This is what had to be done to make small blocks fast...now we have LS7's with big cams to make the same power using much less fuel."

[LTb1ow]

Exactly what kind of car does that fit in, cause it sure isnt a damn 4th gen.
Or is that just something for people to walk around adn admire?
"This is what had to be done to make small blocks fast...now we have LS7's with big cams to make the same power using much less fuel."

Not everything is about peak power.. some of us like power under the curve ya know...

[BigAls87Z28]

Something tells me that a Cammed LS7 making 650hp+ has a lot of area under the curve...

[LTb1ow]

Well it was nice Al...

http://forum.cheatengine.org/files/bandwagon_553.jpg

Do have fun in LSX land... remember to write if your hands don't get to tired from all the nuthugging.

[BigAls87Z28]

Ahahahahahahaha..
I need Kirk to make me some big vinyl decals that say EL ES JUAN so I can put it diagnal on the side of my car.

[LTb1ow]

If you do that.. well I think the LT1 crowd will still greet you with open arms... LOL

[Slow-V6]

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachments/parts-sale/57688d1223294889-twin-turbo-lt1-phpwxwzgfpm.jpg

You could say that engine sucks a lot of air.

Now imagine how much faster that would be if it was a LS1 !!!

[transmaro93]

Well it was nice Al...

http://forum.cheatengine.org/files/bandwagon_553.jpg

Do have fun in LSX land... remember to write if your hands don't get to tired from all the nuthugging.

haahhahah that is rrrriiich!!!!!!

[7pointoh]

THATS IT I"M PULLIN MY MOTOR!!!! WHERE'S THE GEN IV BLOCK??

Why it's in my car.

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachments/parts-sale/57688d1223294889-twin-turbo-lt1-phpwxwzgfpm.jpg

You could say that engine sucks a lot of air.

You could say that. Or you could also say that a lot of air is forced into that engine.

[LTb1ow]

Why it's in my car.



You could say that. Or you could also say that a lot of air is forced into that engine.

While you don't fit into any crowd... go do donuts in your pickup! :moon:

LSX boyz. :rofl:


:mrgreen:

[siguy]

i have worked on both and yes the ls motors or really nice piece of work and well layed out but both types f motors have their pros and cons ..... i have run with many ls with my LT1 so yes maybe they do make more power from the factory but good cam and heads make the lt1's fly just like any other small block chevy..... the ls one don't require as much work to push the 400 hp mark usually cam and long tubes.... but the lt1 can run with the best of them ...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2459/3881570429_948abe5855.jpg

[NastyEllEssWon]

i have worked on both and yes the ls motors or really nice piece of work and well layed out but both types f motors have their pros and cons ..... i have run with many ls with my LT1 so yes maybe they do make more power from the factory but good cam and heads make the lt1's fly just like any other small block chevy..... the ls one don't require as much work to push the 400 hp mark usually cam and long tubes.... but the lt1 can run with the best of them ...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2459/3881570429_948abe5855.jpg









nice blower :nod:

[12secondv6]

Dodge Neon FTW - epicness!

My experience between the LS1, LT1, and 3.8L V6.... I found my v6 quite easy. LS1 was pretty easy. LT1 was more challengin than the LS1 and V6... but not too bad.

Granted, I haven't done extensive mods - just your average things.

[siguy]

Dodge Neon FTW - epicness!

My experience between the LS1, LT1, and 3.8L V6.... I found my v6 quite easy. LS1 was pretty easy. LT1 was more challengin than the LS1 and V6... but not too bad.

Granted, I haven't done extensive mods - just your average things.


I have worked on both for many years.

When you first pop open the hood of the 4gen it looks kinda intimating but is just like any other sbc with a few changes.... (i am talking about a LT1)


For example: The biggest complaint I get is changing spark plugs on the lt1 .... well with the right tools and know how its pretty easy and not that bad (i am not saying is a piece of cake) but, with a shorty ratchet and and few tricks it can be done in about an 1 hour....


As far as the LS1 yes there are many things that are great about it number one in my book is the head design (a nice piece of work)

and there are many things about this motor that makes it nice (one thing that comes to mind is the gasket seal and this design solves allot of the oil seepage and leaking problems are a thing of the past.... but there some special tools required to assemble these motors .... for example aliment tool for the timing chain cover (yes you can assemble this with it but to do it right and not to have problems down the line it a must)
also the price to build which is usually about 15%-20% more then a typical LT1)

[siguy]

nice blower :nod:


thanks this is from my old car