APS In Ruins....

[PlanDefeat]

APS is another company that we must protect ourselves from... Just check out Peter@APS comments to the thread
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/1165816-calling-out-aps.html

[Squirrel]

only read like first 5 posts, but probably the reason he sells ****** turbos with a huge markup is to make some of his R&D money back, not the first or last time someone will do that

[BonzoHansen]

BFD. It's easy to avoid a company that isn't making the parts anymore, lol.

wow, now we know why they were able to sell these kits for ~$4500.... SHIPPED!
It's funny people whining about china produced crap - that is how it works, someone designs something, they have it made, box it & sell it. To keep something in the range people will buy that cut corners, like china foundries. Americans, including many car owners are often cheap bastards. You get what you pay for. LOL

This guy nailed it:

You want a twin turbo kit that is top notch with manifolds made in AMERICA?

Then you will need to pay an well grounded AMERICAN business about 13-15k to send you a kit.

I said it right off the bat..."For the price it has to be CHINA!!!!

For under 6-8k to get a complete well rounded turbo kit you need one of two things off the top of my head.

One being a small unstable operation. The other being a bigger more stable operation getting parts out sourced from China or the like.
The best part is the backyard wrenchers thinking they can now do it themselves. Hee hee.

This reminds me of the whining people do about DSE's stuff. They do all the R&D on their track proven parts, do manufacturing in the US and then price the product accordingly. Then people whine about "it doesn't cost that much to make that. I can get it on eBay for half that". Good luck with the eBay knock off control arms that are half price with poor quality welds. If the R&D $$ and quality manufacturing $$ is not recouped in the price then no one is gonna do any R&D.

Go ask SJ Sleeper how he likes offshore crap.

[PlanDefeat]

i'm just gonna save up for the procharger kit... they seem much more reliable to other options such as sts which imo looks wrong with the one exhaust pipe out the rear

[LTb1ow]

Bahah this is an awesome thread...

What a dumb ass sponsor...

[sweetbmxrider]

whats wrong with chinese turbos?

[LTb1ow]

Maybe people don't like moo sho pork with white rice in their turbos?

[BonzoHansen]

Bahah this is an awesome thread...

What a dumb ass sponsor...

All true :-P

[NJ Torque]

So shady...

[NastyEllEssWon]

thats an awesome thread...id like to get my hands on one of those intercoolers though :nod:

[NJ Torque]

thats an awesome thread...id like to get my hands on one of those intercoolers though :nod:


I had a line on a full kit...

[WildBillyT]

BFD. It's easy to avoid a company that isn't making the parts anymore, lol.


It's funny people whining about china produced crap - that is how it works, someone designs something, they have it made, box it & sell it. To keep something in the range people will buy that cut corners, like china foundries. Americans, including many car owners are often cheap bastards. You get what you pay for. LOL

This guy nailed it:


The best part is the backyard wrenchers thinking they can now do it themselves. Hee hee.

This reminds me of the whining people do about DSE's stuff. They do all the R&D on their track proven parts, do manufacturing in the US and then price the product accordingly. Then people whine about "it doesn't cost that much to make that. I can get it on eBay for half that". Good luck with the eBay knock off control arms that are half price with poor quality welds. If the R&D $$ and quality manufacturing $$ is not recouped in the price then no one is gonna do any R&D.

Go ask SJ Sleeper how he likes offshore crap.

ABSOLUTELY. You get what you pay for. Want to cheap out and go imported on something? Then you run the risk of bad quality.

[sweetbmxrider]

but there are so many asain cars out there that come stock with turbos? its not like they can't build good ones?

[LTb1ow]

And you can go buy crappy ones too...

You get what you pay for in most cases...

[sweetbmxrider]

yes very true. its not like the chinese can't build good turbos, its just aps supplies ****** ones

[LTb1ow]

Tis business.... best way to only spend this much money but sell it for this much.. make monies.

[BonzoHansen]

but there are so many asain cars out there that come stock with turbos? its not like they can't build good ones?

Why are you confusing cheap china ripoff aftermarket parts with Japanese OE spec manufacturing quality?

It's all about cost.

[sweetbmxrider]

ya nevermind i read the thread

[LTb1ow]

ya nevermind i read the thread

Reading ftw.

[sweetbmxrider]

Reading ftw.

i had a teacher who used to say that, then i keyed her car :lol:

[LTb1ow]

i had a teacher who used to say that, then i keyed her car :lol:

You had a teacher who talked in acronyms?

[sweetbmxrider]

You had a teacher who talked in acronyms?

yup, couldn't pass that class

[transmaro93]

wait you coulnt pass a class... so you keyed her car... thats f-ed up dude... when i was failing senior year cause i didnt give a crap i knew it was my fault haha... as for the chinese thing... ill try to avoid cheap knock off stuff as much as possible... heres an example... from my machine shop.. guy built his own engine... used a cheaper chinese forged crank... he used a crappy torque wrench and over tightened the rod bolts... and spun a few bearings and ended up fracturing the crank... now in alot of cases cranks can be fixed but becuase this was a chinese crank the place that fixes them said it would never work because the metal they use is poor quality and the repair wouldnt hold for very long.... you get what you pay for.....

[LTb1ow]

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/7/587/14352_512x288_manicured__GMJhD4IQwEe+6bFJuuokpA.jp g

[NastyEllEssWon]

i had a teacher who used to say that, then i keyed her car :lol:




only girls mess with anothers persons car :nod: especially keying it

[sweetbmxrider]

only girls mess with anothers persons car :nod: especially keying it

i don't get it :|

[transmaro93]

hes calling you a lady.....

[sweetbmxrider]

still don't get it :|

[Saitin]

still don't get it :|

as in did your boyfriend break up with you?

[sweetbmxrider]

.....still not gettin it :|

[LTb1ow]

Did you eat a bowl of extra stupid this morning?

[sweetbmxrider]

:-? do not getz

[transmaro93]

HAHAHAH adam has perfect logic for this.... my hats off to you!

[sweetbmxrider]

how many hats are you offing with for me? :lol: im such an ass

[transmaro93]

whoaa now your getting greedy....

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads/080405/865ZDlhzt3.jpg

[jims69camaro]

ABSOLUTELY. You get what you pay for. Want to cheap out and go imported on something? Then you run the risk of bad quality.

this is why i always buy american. sure, you pay for it. but, part of the made in america is that the company you are dealing with is here, too. as opposed to APS, which, i think, is in Oz.

that is an awesome looking intercooler. i think all of the parts were available through the link supplied elsewhere in that thread.

there are backyard mechanics who have done their own work and ended up with a solid running car. take the s-10 manifolds, switch sides and make them point up in the air instead of down... and then do your own plumbing. not every backyard mechanic is able to do that kind of work - i only know of one person who did it successfully.

it's funny how he (the company's owner and/or representative) was answering questions. kind of smacked of a little bit of attitude, but, then again, he is getting ripped to shreds on a message board. he stated that he wasn't willing to sell any of the tooling involved in making the kits... i wonder if he owns any of it, or if he out-sourced all of the parts. in that case, he wouldn't be able to sell the tooling because he wouldn't've been the owner.

[Blacdout96]

Well they found the Manifold,s which is the one of the hardest of things to build for a turbo setup. Realistically, from what I see with the intercooler, they cut the bottom and weld custom intakes on it, other then that, I'm more then sure a starting up company with proper manufacturing and tooling skills could sell these thigns like hotcakes, with the right turbo's, AND sell it in a couple different setups, like LESS turbos and BOV, or the whole kit n caboodle.

[transmaro93]

FREE HAT!!!!!!!! we'lll cool them off with a lovely jamaican conga song....