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LTb1ow
08-23-2009, 01:08 PM
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/21/flickr-v-free-speech-where-is-the-courage/

If deemed to "political" so be it.

Just seems strange to me...
NastyEllEssWon
08-23-2009, 01:14 PM
its a double standard. you can make fun of bush because he's a bumbling idiotic redneck but the minute you go to make fun of obama you get called a racist. lets hope this thread stays on point. its a thin line
baddest434
08-23-2009, 01:20 PM
to keep this thread in line i won't reply :wink:
LTb1ow
08-23-2009, 01:28 PM
Its not even really political, its just sad that things like this are not acceptable.

The government should fear the people, not the other way around.
NastyEllEssWon
08-23-2009, 01:29 PM
Its not even really political, its just sad that things like this are not acceptable.

The government should fear the people, not the other way around.





http://thejosevilson.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/v-for-vendetta-movie-x1.jpg





way to quote a movie :lol:
LTb1ow
08-23-2009, 01:31 PM
Hardly, you should read more and rely less on movies. ;)

Thomas Jefferson said that I believe.
Knipps
08-23-2009, 01:31 PM
http://thejosevilson.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/v-for-vendetta-movie-x1.jpg

way to quote a movie :lol:
What better movie to quote?

Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof.

btw Thomas Jefferson said "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
//<86TA>\\
08-23-2009, 01:33 PM
quoted for truth from the article

"People are angry over the takedown. There are lots of pictures mocking President Bush on a Time Magazine cover on Flickr that haven’t been removed. And of the Heath Ledger Joker character."
cdacda13
08-23-2009, 01:34 PM
The internet is still like the wild west in terms of the laws regarding to it. Its still young, and the not many cases are made it to the supreme court for constitutional interpretation. I think in the next 5-10 years, you will see a lot more cases related to free speech and the internet hit the Supreme Court.
NastyEllEssWon
08-23-2009, 01:43 PM
What better movie to quote?

Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof.

btw Thomas Jefferson said "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."




:nod:


matt quoted a movie
V
08-23-2009, 02:09 PM
http://thejosevilson.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/v-for-vendetta-movie-x1.jpg




is it bad that this image alone or that movie makes me think of a member on this board just cause of his avatar during THE "buddy list"....???
haha

i wonder how billy is doing anyways... lol
transmaro93
08-23-2009, 02:11 PM
but seriously....whoaa the govt is going to bully people into removing images that they don't like.... like nobody saw that coming... i mean did any of you guys hear about that website that was enacted to make a list of people who had opposing views of those in power... hmm freedom of speech... they take taht away what else do we have???? <--- starting to make sense yet?
Frosty
08-23-2009, 02:15 PM
You didn't get the memo? You're not allowed to say anything negative about The Messiah. If you do it'll be taken off of websites, your product deemed illegal or your store shut down. It's funny how the double standards work, but then again the media has also been neutral. :rolleyes: I'll stop there so the thread won't get locked(though it probably will anyway lol)

Knipps, GREAT quote.
V
08-23-2009, 02:17 PM
can i say my boss is an idiot?
Frosty
08-23-2009, 02:19 PM
can i say my boss is an idiot?

Technically that'd be insulting The Messiah, any and all references to The Messiah's intelligence and/or job performance are prohibited. Please refer to your New World Order handbook, Section 237, subsection B(3).

Thank you,

The Management
transmaro93
08-23-2009, 02:20 PM
haha yea frosty i tried to keep it to the topic at hand my self.... but i think it will eventually get locked...
cdacda13
08-23-2009, 02:27 PM
haha that pic is funny of powelle.... but seriously....whoaa the govt is going to bully people into removing images that they don't like.... like nobody saw that coming... i mean did any of you guys hear about that website that was enacted to make a list of people who had opposing views of those in power... hmm freedom of speech... they take taht away what else do we have???? <--- starting to make sense yet?

The government did not take the picture or account down, flcker did saying it violated a copyright, and they were just protecting themselves from a possible lawsuit. The reasoning is believable.
The problem is that The Time magazine cover, Obama picture, and Joker features are NOT copyrighted. Also, to dig further, there are other pictures on Flcker using the Time magazine cover.
So, did Flcker take it down because it was inslusting to Obama, or because they're lawyers didn't do their homework? Did Flcker get a complaint about the photo, and that's why its taken down.
Photos get removed my every image hosting website. I don't see people complaining about that when it happens.

Do not blame the government on this one, its Flcker who took down the photos.
sweetbmxrider
08-23-2009, 03:07 PM
haha that pic is funny of powelle.... but seriously....whoaa the govt is going to bully people into removing images that they don't like.... like nobody saw that coming... i mean did any of you guys hear about that website that was enacted to make a list of people who had opposing views of those in power... hmm freedom of speech... they take taht away what else do we have???? <--- starting to make sense yet?

the DMCA, or Digitial Millenium Copyright Act, had yahoo remove it. <- reading ftw

ridic

http://cache0.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/obamajoker.jpg

seriously, why so?
madness410
08-23-2009, 03:14 PM
this land is not the same land our mom and pops grew up on :|
sweetbmxrider
08-23-2009, 03:16 PM
this land is not the same land our mom and pops grew up on :|

you have two dads?
Knipps
08-23-2009, 03:23 PM
pops can be used singularly
transmaro93
08-23-2009, 03:36 PM
hahah 2 dads..... hey cdacda ill admit your kinda right on what you said... i took it alittle out of context... but there really isnt any copy right infringements on the picture to be taken into account... lawyers have commented on that... i also read another article where a member of flickr was banned a few months back for commenting on some white house or airforce one photos (cant remember what the article said) probably because the comments weren't to their liking... now i can say he wasn't threatening because i never saw the comments but... you cant deny that the fed doesn't have the media sitting in their lap asking for lolly pops... and the internet is a for of media... you know there is ways for them to get things like this done with out having to have obama say hey i don't like that picture take it down.... that's where i was coming from....
Tru2Chevy
08-23-2009, 03:49 PM
Yesterday Yahoo fired back at everyone who complained, saying that they were required to remove the image pursuant to a DMCA takedown notice. Flickr’s director of community Heather Champ says “In this intance, the Yahoo! Copyright Team here in the US received a complete Notice of Infringement as outlined by the DMCA (Digitial Millenium Copyright Act). Under the DMCA, an individual may choose to file a counterclaim”

She added “We very much value freedom of speech and creativity.”

Yahoo (who owns Flickr) claims they received a copyright infringement notice, but doesn't say who it was received from. As the article points out, had they shown the image and complaint to their lawyers, they would have been told that it was perfectly legal, and they should leave the image alone. Sounds to me like the notice was just a very convenient excuse for them to take down an image that they don't agree with.

And to address the "this thread's getting locked" comments.....it will stay open as long as no partisan politics discussion comes up and every stays civil.

- Justin
LTb1ow
08-23-2009, 04:04 PM
Just strange how the picture was all original and yet, it was just "removed".

Very weird to me.
Frosty
08-23-2009, 04:16 PM
Sounds to me like the notice was just a very convenient excuse for them to take down an image that they don't agree with.



At least you and a few others get it. Where were the copyright infringement complaints for the last idiot we had in office?
LTb1ow
08-23-2009, 04:22 PM
Is there some shred of truth behind that picture of obama not being a public stock image?
sweetbmxrider
08-23-2009, 04:41 PM
no but he does wear make up
WildBillyT
08-23-2009, 05:42 PM
Hmm. Here's how I see it. If you own a server or web site, you control the **** that's on it. Since you OWN it. Just because you allow other people to come on and post their images or messages does not mean that they have any rights about what is allowed. The nice thing to do is to let stuff stay, but you don't have to.

Free speech protects you in public. You can stand on the street and say whatever you want. On the Internet, it's not "public" even though anyone can see what's up there. You are always on somebody's server, which is somebody's property.
BigAls87Z28
08-23-2009, 07:50 PM
Are you ****in serious? You think that soemoen taking down the picture of Obama is bad?
How about being imprisoned without being granted basic civil rights?
How about havign yoru privacy invaded well above and beyond just for the sake of "freedom?"
Please...dont trump **** up that shouldnt be. The new CIA director investigated the Bush's administrations actions into tapping phone calls, emails, and other communications, and it was much worse then even he had figured.

And another thing. I used to bring up Bush here all the time, how he put this country into a **** storm unmatched by anything prior, and it used to get locked.
But we can mock Obama as the "Messaih" and that doesnt get locked?

Obama is going to rape yoru family, kill your dog, take away your guns, make you pay for illegal immigrants babies, and have total control over american business.
Get The **** Out. Seriously you people need to relax and stop having panic attacks.

Obama has put restrictions on money that Bush gave to banks and the automakers.
Obama has supported the middle class by making sure millions of middle class workers that are caught in the middle arent buffalo ****ed like they have been for the last 8 years by allowing preditory lending, and then sending thier children into a war unprovoked, dying for a thing that never came to be.
Over the past 8 years, republicans have stood by thier man as he ravaged the middle east, invaded a soverign nation unprovoked, while he led the American public around by the nose on the world of "Freedom" and "Saftey".
********. I have my qualms about Obama, but most of you are tearing down anything he could possibly do to help this country on its feet, all because of his political affiliation.

Case in point.
Democrats wanetd 4 billion for CARS/Cash for Clunkers. The republicans took away all but a billion, and said make tha twork for a month.
Then the same republicans want to mock the Dems for not being far-sighted, and asking for more money when the massive pent up demand for cars surged and every dealer was being flooded by every day working people trying to buy a new car, but coudlnt because of the economic **** storm that a republican house, senate, and president let happen without a single urging of Americans being conserviative in thier spending.
Isnt that what a Republican is?
Instead, they worred about spending billions in "emergency funding" for the wars in Iraq and Afganastan.
I dont think that Obama gives two ****s about a picture. The man clearly has bigger things to worry about, like making sure that this country, even with sucha hatred for a man they dont know, gets back on their feet.
LTb1ow
08-23-2009, 07:58 PM
Deficit good yes?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-2-trillion-higher-apf-2763511180.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode

Winz for dems.
BigAls87Z28
08-23-2009, 08:00 PM
Also, no one had problems when the goverment was giving back 600 dollars in a tax rebate, but when the goverment wants to spur an industry, while at the same time decrease the number of poluting vehicles on the road, as well as reduce our dependance on foreign oil, by giving out money, people start to bitch about thier tax dollars being spent.
I know that Im happy as hell that my tax dollars took 4500 of my new Malibu.


Yes, all that was because of the dems, not the trillions of dollars being poured into a war with no end game, no exit plan, and another war that is becoming worse by they day.

Obama didnt give trillions of dollars to the banks or the automakers.
Obama didnt blow trillions of dollars in two wars, while winning neither
Obama has to fix the **** storm left by the former president. He's been at the job for 8 months, and things are looking to be a lot better now then it did 12 months ago.
Please...dont put 9 trillion dollars on the shoulders of Obama.
Remember that 9 years ago, we were running a surplus of money....
LTb1ow
08-23-2009, 08:01 PM
But then you pay that back in taxes and or us being owned by China...