Guess who's pregnant again (not me)....

[ShitOnWheels]

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/09/01/2009-09-01_jim_bob_and_michelle_duggar_of_18_kids_and_coun ting_expecting_baby_number_19.html

Not sure whether to be disgusted that they are still going, or annoyed that they have very little problems getting pregnant. Can they give one or two to us? lol

[Mike]

wow the oldest kid is having a baby right before the moms latest.....her grandchild will be older than the youngest child

[enRo]

http://feministphilosophers.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/249270409_664e6841fa.jpg

[79CamaroDiva]

good grief.. if all of their kids even have 5 kids (which doesn't seem to be a terrible estimate coming from a family of 19+), they will be responsible for 95 grandchildren! 95!! I don't want to get into overpopulation like some of those comments, but i know my grandmother has a hard time getting the names of 7 of us right...

[Tru2Chevy]

Yea, that's just nuts. I'm betting that at least a few of the kids will rebel when they get older though.

- Justin

[Mike]

good grief.. if all of their kids even have 5 kids (which doesn't seem to be a terrible estimate coming from a family of 19+), they will be responsible for 95 grandchildren! 95!! I don't want to get into overpopulation like some of those comments, but i know my grandmother has a hard time getting the names of 7 of us right...

how many names are actually in one of those baby books? :shock:

[Blacdout96]

someone castrate the husband before they bring more stupidity in this world. I think things like this should be illegal, weither they can afford it or not, to me it's just not right.

[Mike]

someone castrate the husband before they bring more stupidity in this world. I think things like this should be illegal, weither they can afford it or not, to me it's just not right.

if they care for them all, pay taxes for them all, raise them all well, and they all become productive members of society, who cares?

[r0nin89]

Send em to China. I bet the government would have a **** fit lol. They are technically not suppose to have more than one kid or some shat like that there.

[Blacdout96]

if they care for them all, pay taxes for them all, raise them all well, and they all become productive members of society, who cares?

Oh ****, forgot to put this at the end of my post

IMO!!!!

Oops, too late, someone already had to put their two cents into why they think I'm wrong.

[Mike]

didnt say your opinion was wrong, i said WHO CARES, no reason to worry about it unless they start becoming leaches or scumbags

[ib4200]

anyone ever see idiocracy? this is how it starts out...

[r0nin89]

anyone ever see idiocracy? this is how it starts out...

go away I'm batin...

[ShitOnWheels]

didnt say your opinion was wrong, i said WHO CARES, no reason to worry about it unless they start becoming leaches or scumbags

We need to care. If each of these 19 kids has 2 kids, that's 38 kids...and each of those has 2 kids...well, population growth gets out of control after 2 generations...WAAAAY above the replenishment and minimal growth rate (I've read having 2 children replenishes and 3 allows for minimal growth). When all these kids are looking for food, homes, jobs, etc, they flood the market.

Sure, they may be law abiding, hard working citizens, but think of how much food they need (even if thew grow most of it, it isn't completely sustainable, and some may not want to grow their own later on), water they drink, jobs they'll need, clothes they wear (again, even if they make a lot and buy used, it's not fool proof and they'll need to buy new).

And add to that healthcare costs, Medicare when they are retired, SS if it's even around then...it adds up.

[bubba428]

but also think of all the people that don't have any kids, can't, or die before they get the chance. I'm sure there's 9 couples out there that fit that category.

[Blacdout96]

We need to care. If each of these 19 kids has 2 kids, that's 38 kids...and each of those has 2 kids...well, population growth gets out of control after 2 generations...WAAAAY above the replenishment and minimal growth rate (I've read having 2 children replenishes and 3 allows for minimal growth). When all these kids are looking for food, homes, jobs, etc, they flood the market.

Sure, they may be law abiding, hard working citizens, but think of how much food they need (even if thew grow most of it, it isn't completely sustainable, and some may not want to grow their own later on), water they drink, jobs they'll need, clothes they wear (again, even if they make a lot and buy used, it's not fool proof and they'll need to buy new).

And add to that healthcare costs, Medicare when they are retired, SS if it's even around then...it adds up.

Hit the nail right on the head.

[Mike]

oh well, im more concerned with the 13-15 year old un-married city girls popping out welfare babies with no other purpose in life than to be a deduction and follow "dad" into the gangs

[NastyEllEssWon]

We need to care. If each of these 19 kids has 2 kids, that's 38 kids...and each of those has 2 kids...well, population growth gets out of control after 2 generations...WAAAAY above the replenishment and minimal growth rate (I've read having 2 children replenishes and 3 allows for minimal growth). When all these kids are looking for food, homes, jobs, etc, they flood the market.

Sure, they may be law abiding, hard working citizens, but think of how much food they need (even if thew grow most of it, it isn't completely sustainable, and some may not want to grow their own later on), water they drink, jobs they'll need, clothes they wear (again, even if they make a lot and buy used, it's not fool proof and they'll need to buy new).

And add to that healthcare costs, Medicare when they are retired, SS if it's even around then...it adds up.





well considering the fact that they built their own house themselves....grow some of the food they eat and the fact that the dad had some type of company left to him where they have enough money to support it, i say whatever...more power to them.


ive seen lots worse. like mike said. the girl who realizes she had a kid at 13, sits on welfare, hits 16 when her welfare runs out and only gets pregnant to keep the welfare going.....trust me. ive seen this tons. 25 year old girls with 4 or 5 kids. :nod:

[Lt1_8U]

19 kids...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x94/69novaguy/0_hotdog_down_a_hallway.jpg

[ShitOnWheels]

but also think of all the people that don't have any kids, can't, or die before they get the chance. I'm sure there's 9 couples out there that fit that category.

I'm pretty sure the 3 kids for minimal growth helps to account for those who can't, won't, or die before they do have kids. Hence why it's 3 and not just 2.

[ShitOnWheels]

oh well, im more concerned with the 13-15 year old un-married city girls popping out welfare babies with no other purpose in life than to be a deduction and follow "dad" into the gangs

Very true. I am much more concerned with that. They are hurting us now. But when these 19 hit the age for medicare, you add an extra burden. And if medicare is still around when the next generation get there, now you've quadrupled the burden on the system. So it either affects us now (the welfare families) or later (the way-too-many-kids-in-one-family families). Take your pick (I'd rather it affect us now, since we can make regulations that state they need to get jobs and get off welfare eventually...assuming states would do that).

[ShitOnWheels]

well considering the fact that they built their own house themselves....grow some of the food they eat and the fact that the dad had some type of company left to him where they have enough money to support it, i say whatever...more power to them.


ive seen lots worse. like mike said. the girl who realizes she had a kid at 13, sits on welfare, hits 16 when her welfare runs out and only gets pregnant to keep the welfare going.....trust me. ive seen this tons. 25 year old girls with 4 or 5 kids. :nod:

I understand they built their own house, grow their own food, make their own clothes, buy used, etc. But they can't be doing that for EVERYTHING. Some things they buy have to be new. Not all food can be grown/raised on their own. It still eats at our resources faster than it would if they only had 2, 3, even 5. :shrug:

What about heating fuel? Whether it's gas, oil, or wood (or some other method), I"m pretty sure it'll go faster with such a large family (and large house to fit the familiy), it depletes the resources.

[Frosty]

So some of you think we should create a law because of ONE family that went overboard? They receive no government/public assistance....so who cares? Like Mike said, we should be worried about Peggy Sue and Shaniqua popping out 3 kids with 3 different baby daddies...

With the amount of people in this country do you really think this example is going to make the tiniest bit of difference in social programs when they reach that age? Not a chance.

I didn't realize this country was Communist China limiting people's rights and freedoms. Then again if we don't wake the F up that's where we're heading.

[Blacdout96]

Listen, it's great they were able to raise them without much financial strain, but they could of done better by adopting 16 kids or what not. there are many children without parents, and these two could of adopted them. It's like going to ethiopia and a fat person eating a double quarter pounder with cheese infront of starving people, that could of been better used to those who need then those who already have.

[Frosty]

It's called personal rights and freedoms, they're under absolutely no obligation to adopt a single kid. They have every right to make their family as big as they want provided they can care for them.

You can make a moral argument however you can always legislate morality. They did nothing wrong from a legal standpoint. I certainly wouldn't want that many kids...hell I'm not having ANY however if they can care for them and give each kid the attention and resources they need to succeed in life who am I or anyone else to say they can't or shouldn't have that many kids?

[LTb1ow]

So some of you think we should create a law because of ONE family that went overboard? They receive no government/public assistance....so who cares? Like Mike said, we should be worried about Peggy Sue and Shaniqua popping out 3 kids with 3 different baby daddies...

With the amount of people in this country do you really think this example is going to make the tiniest bit of difference in social programs when they reach that age? Not a chance.

I didn't realize this country was Communist China limiting people's rights and freedoms. Then again if we don't wake the F up that's where we're heading.

Ahahah sneaky sneaky... :rofl:

[Frosty]

Nice edit Justin :rofl:

[Tru2Chevy]

Nice edit Justin :rofl:

You guys can make all the clown car jokes you want (within reason), but please keep the Left vs. Right discussions out. :moon:

- Justin

[ShitOnWheels]

I'm in no way saying we need to make laws on how many kids we can each have. But some common sense would be nice. Or, why not adopt so kids who truly need parents can have two loving parents? Obviously not forcing them to do anything, but why not adopt instead? It's almost selfish that they must be biological rather than adopting them.

And will they have that much of an impact on social services in the future, or our resources, maybe not, but how can we know? Why should we take the chance? And now she's older (over 40), raising the chances dramatically of her children having birth defects...which will also add strain to the already taxed social services system if that becomes the case.

On a less serious note: Where the hell do they find the time to have sex in order to procreate? (Not saying that's bad, just wondering how they can raise 18 kids at once and still have time for extra curriculars)

[Frosty]

You guys can make all the clown car jokes you want (within reason), but please keep the Left vs. Right discussions out. :moon:

- Justin

Absolutely, I never mentioned a side...nor will I. I know the rules. :)

[LTb1ow]

You guys can make all the clown car jokes you want (within reason), but please keep the Left vs. Right discussions out. :moon:

- Justin

He started it! :lol:

[Blacdout96]

It's called personal rights and freedoms, they're under absolutely no obligation to adopt a single kid. They have every right to make their family as big as they want provided they can care for them.

You can make a moral argument however you can always legislate morality. They did nothing wrong from a legal standpoint. I certainly wouldn't want that many kids...hell I'm not having ANY however if they can care for them and give each kid the attention and resources they need to succeed in life who am I or anyone else to say they can't or shouldn't have that many kids?

Um, at which point and time did I say they [/HAD] to adopt kids, I said they could of, which last time I checked is a form of saying you made a decision. don't believe me, let's take a look back at my post.

Listen, it's great they were able to raise them without much financial strain, but they could of done better by adopting 16 kids or what not. there are many children without parents, and these two could of adopted them. It's like going to ethiopia and a fat person eating a double quarter pounder with cheese infront of starving people, that could of been better used to those who need then those who already have.


Nope, don't see anything saying they should of been forced to. :rollseye:

[Tru2Chevy]

On a less serious note: Where the hell do they find the time to have sex in order to procreate? (Not saying that's bad, just wondering how they can raise 18 kids at once and still have time for extra curriculars)

The older kids practically raise the younger kids themselves. Mom only seems to really take care of the young babies.

He started it! :lol:

And I ended it.... :nod:

- Justin

[Frosty]

I'm in no way saying we need to make laws on how many kids we can each have. But some common sense would be nice. Or, as Bonzo said, why not adopt so kids who trully need parents can have two loving parents? And will they have that much of an impact on social services in the future, or our resources, maybe not, but how can we know? Why should we take the chance? And now she's older (over 40), raising the chances dramatically of her children having birth defects...which will also add strain to the already taxed social services system if that becomes the case.

On a less serious note: Where the hell do they find the time to have sex in order to procreate? (Not saying that's bad, just wondering how they can raise 18 kids at once and still have time for extra curriculars)

But see, that's the beautiful thing about personal choice. They have the right to chose whether or not they want to have their own kids or adopt. While it might not jive with our beliefs they're not hurting anyone. If we lived by "what ifs" then every one of our lives would be different. If we lived by "what ifs" then we wouldn't have the technology, freedoms and standards of living we have today.

...and yeah...dude must be a 30 second man because I don't see how they have time for any more than that. :rofl:

[Frosty]

Um, at which point and time did I say they [/HAD] to adopt kids, I said they could of, which last time I checked is a form of saying you made a decision. don't believe me, let's take a look back at my post.




Nope, don't see anything saying they should of been forced to. :rollseye:

Okkk, I said they were under no obligation...where did I say that you claimed they had to?

Sure it would've been nice if adopted, but they opted not to...people need to get over it and worry about REAL issues.

[Miles]

19 kids...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x94/69novaguy/0_hotdog_down_a_hallway.jpg

Exactly what I was thinking, use that phrase all the time.


oh well, im more concerned with the 13-15 year old un-married city girls popping out welfare babies with no other purpose in life than to be a deduction and follow "dad" into the gangs

Definitely agree with that. A 15 year old girl down the street had a baby since "it was the only way to keep her family moving away from the boyfriend"

[Frosty]

Anchor baby FTW!

[ShitOnWheels]

But see, that's the beautiful thing about personal choice. They have the right to chose whether or not they want to have their own kids or adopt. While it might not jive with our beliefs they're not hurting anyone. If we lived by "what ifs" then every one of our lives would be different. If we lived by "what ifs" then we wouldn't have the technology, freedoms and standards of living we have today.

...and yeah...dude must be a 30 second man because I don't see how they have time for any more than that. :rofl:

You're right, they chose this. Fine. And I don't agree with it, fine.

But I can guarantee they will somehow hurt someone in the future. No idea how, but I'm sure we'll hear of it in a few years, maybe not until 20 years from now...but somehow, they will hurt someone (and I don't necessarily mean one person).

And if we didn't play the what if game, we might actually be further technology wise, medically especially, since we play the what ifs with stem cells: "But what if they are really a life immediately at conception and we kill them to do stem cell research?" What ifs are how we make decisions as a society. We have to ask them in order to figure out what we deem the "right" decision to be in nearly every decision we make.

[Lt1_8U]

Anchor baby FTW!

haha:lol:

[Blacdout96]

people need to get over it and worry about REAL issues.

Then why are you still posting here? sound's like you're not over what peopel have to say about this. maybe you should make an example out of us and not post here anymore.

and what important issues are there to talk about, this is a car forum, not exactly CNN.

[bubba428]

didn't you know? we're all just supposed to ignore the important issues and pretend the world is peachy. God forbid CNN had something bad politically on their homepage, or that even matters worth a damn

[WildBillyT]

No left vs right stuff. Again.

[bubba428]

Censorship!!!!!!!

[Frosty]

Then why are you still posting here? sound's like you're not over what peopel have to say about this. maybe you should make an example out of us and not post here anymore.

and what important issues are there to talk about, this is a car forum, not exactly CNN.

lol, ok tough guy :rolleyes: I was merely throwing in my opinion and you get all huffy when someone doesn't agree with you. What I meant regarding worry about REAL issues is that people are all up in arms over someone going overboard with kids. That's what I meant.

I noticed you skipped over the part where you made yourself look bad.

Telling me not to post here because I don't agree with your opinion is really mature, lol.

You're right, they chose this. Fine. And I don't agree with it, fine.

But I can guarantee they will somehow hurt someone in the future. No idea how, but I'm sure we'll hear of it in a few years, maybe not until 20 years from now...but somehow, they will hurt someone (and I don't necessarily mean one person).

And if we didn't play the what if game, we might actually be further technology wise, medically especially, since we play the what ifs with stem cells: "But what if they are really a life immediately at conception and we kill them to do stem cell research?" What ifs are how we make decisions as a society. We have to ask them in order to figure out what we deem the "right" decision to be in nearly every decision we make.

I meant by the "what if" in regards to those kids having a burden on society. By your theory then we should all stop having kids because they might burden society in some way. Obviously the chances that happening is greater with 19 kids. :rofl: I think they're psycho religious nuts that don't believe in contraception, if I remember correctly the older kids have/are waiting for marriage to have sex so you can see where their mindset is.

You bring up a good point with the stem cells but they don't take them from dead embryos anymore, they can get them from the umbilical cord. I fully support that type of research provided kids are being kills for the cells(which isn't happening). It could really help us in the future.

[WildBillyT]

Censorship!!!!!!!

Not public domain!!!!!!

[Tru2Chevy]

Censorship!!!!!!!

Yup....this is a privately owned page, and we can make any rules we want. Get over it....

Back on topic

- Justin

[WildBillyT]

You bring up a good point with the stem cells but they don't take them from dead embryos anymore, they can get them from the umbilical cord. I fully support that type of research provided kids aren't being killed for the cells (which isn't happening). It could really help us in the future.

Yeah, cord blood harvesting and storage are gaining in popularity.

[Frosty]

Yeah, cord blood harvesting and storage are gaining in popularity.

...yeah but for some reason the religious right is still up in arms about it :rolleyes: Can't please everyone I guess.

[bubba428]

Not public domain!!!!!!

Yup....this is a privately owned page, and we can make any rules we want. Get over it....

Back on topic

- Justin

damn sorry I forgot to stick a smile or an "lol" in there....was a joke guys...you also kinda proved my point but that's beside the point :rock:

[NastyEllEssWon]

as a guy that had a gf that had a kid previously from another relationship once before i can say this with 100 percent personal conviction....



i couldnt adopt or be responsible for a child that isnt mine. that being said. im sure that family has their own reasons for not adopting.





either way....it must be kinda neat to live in a household that has that much love in it :nod:

[FIcamaroRE92]

oh well, im more concerned with the 13-15 year old un-married city girls popping out welfare babies with no other purpose in life than to be a deduction and follow "dad" into the gangs

:nod: props for that man.......................

dont need to worry tho, i'm positive you know what the life expectancy of gang members are............................................... ...

[Tsar]

:nod: props for that man.......................

dont need to worry tho, i'm positive you know what the life expectancy of gang members are............................................... ...

Long enough to kill bunch of people?

[Mike]

they live pretty long, once locked up and getting room and board and free medical care off our tax dollars

[FIcamaroRE92]

they live pretty long, once locked up and getting room and board and free medical care off our tax dollars

ohh wasn't thinking that way lol

[mtg6486]

they need to get a friggin tv

[JL8Jeff]

I'm sure they're getting some money for doing the tv show as well so that is another form of income for them. It's still pretty ridiculous for them to keep popping out kids though.

[bandit88]

honestly from a chick perspective i don't know how she can do that
its like reipleys believe it or not!