Jeter!

[BonzoHansen]

Derek Jeter just passed Lou Gehrig as the all-time Yankee hit leader. He's having a great season. Awesome.

They showed his stats vs. Pete Rose at the same age - Jeter has better stats across the board. I'd love for him to break rose's record.

edit: backed up the tv to check the #s:
Jeter Rose
ave .317 .310
hits 2721 2645
runs 1565 1392

[LTb1ow]

Cool?

[BonzoHansen]

Yes.

[NastyEllEssWon]

jeters still a scumbag

[BonzoHansen]

no he isn't. he's one of the classiest guys out there. the anti-vick

[LTb1ow]

Awesome?

[BonzoHansen]

Yes

[LTb1ow]

No.

[Knipps]

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[BigAls87Z28]

jeters still a scumbag

Are you serious? Scumbag?
Like Scott said, probably the coolest guys in the game, and has been one of the best players year after year since he stepped onto the field.
He is a class act on and off the field. Scumbag? Not by a long shot.

[LTb1ow]

Fantastic?

[BonzoHansen]

go away

[LTb1ow]

Maybe.

[baddest434]

jeters still a scumbag

can you explain to us why?

what Al and Scott said is dead on. congrats to him he deserves it. he's been nothing short of great since day 1. plus he nailed jessica biel :lol:

[NastyEllEssWon]

cause he's a yankee

[BonzoHansen]

Typical hater douchebaggery

[LTb1ow]

Perhaps.

[NjbadSS]

jeter is definitely one of the classiest guys in the game. Good for him! for anyone calling him a scumbag, don't be jealous he isn't on your ****** team

[madness410]

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wait...holy ****.

[Blacdout96]

plus he nailed jessica biel :lol:

Which is the reason why we hate him more :lol: :lol:


i love all philly teams, although I don't like nor watch football, and baseball helps me fall asleep, but good for Jeter, records arent ment to stand forever, they are there as the benchmark for you to surpass if you have the skill, and perserverence ( I know I spelledthat wrong) to succeed.

[firebirdcrazy]

I dont believe any of these players should be even considered in the same league as Lou Gherig, Babe Ruth Etc!!! Because those old time players accomplished those feats with less games, farther fence lines, AND NO KIND OF PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENTS!!! They didnt have the luxuries they have today and the whining attitudes of todays players. The old school played for fun and the love of the game. All these broken records are bogus and shouldnt stand.

[BigAls87Z28]

Whoa...Jeter never has been accused or found using drugs to enhance his performance.
Babe Ruth did more drugs, drank more, and did more activities outside of the field then any player before or after him, should his record be removed? Is he still not revered as one of the greatest players ever?
This is the same type of argument that was brought up when Mantle and Maris were gunning for Babe's home run record in a season.

Ruth didnt have to travel across the US to play a night game in the Bronx on Tuesday and then a Afternoon game in LA on Weds.

[NastyEllEssWon]

I dont believe any of these players should be even considered in the same league as Lou Gherig, Babe Ruth Etc!!! Because those old time players accomplished those feats with less games, farther fence lines, AND NO KIND OF PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENTS!!! They didnt have the luxuries they have today and the whining attitudes of todays players. The old school played for fun and the love of the game. All these broken records are bogus and shouldnt stand.





further fence lines???? you do realize that the polo grounds was 279 and 258 down the lines. and yankee stadium was 315 on both sides down the line.....small considering that the phillies new stadium is always call short and the shortest it gets is 330. with almost 400 on the left field side.



babe ruth had the luxary of hitting in relatively short parks most of his career. btw babe ruth had a history of drug and alcohol use.....cocaine can be considered a performance enhancer as well :nod:

[Knipps]

wait...holy ****.
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[firebirdcrazy]

most ball parks were never made equal and most had further fencelines and some didnt have any at all until the rules on the size of all ball parks were established. Drinking and drugs of those days does not constitute performance enhancers. They had a good time playing and all the partying that came with it. The history channel has quite a few good features on baseball, and player biographies and so on. Not taking away anything from jeter, but there really is no room for comparison with players in those times to the ones of todays era. No matter what you can come up with or try to argue. Lou gherig played 1000 games less then jeter. Yogi also did this feat with a thousand less games then Jeter. I feel those old records should stay and new records shold be established from the point where baseball is today. Not sure if it was the late 60's or 70's. It should be the same for all sports

[LS1Hawk]

Firebirdcrazy...I agree with you on many accounts. I for one still feel Roger Maris is the single-season home run king. When juiced up guys were breaking his record I thought it was such a disgrace. And it KILLS me that he is still not in the hall of fame. Aside from breaking Ruth's record he has 2 MVP awards, 3 world series titles, was a gold glove winner and 4 time all-star. Can't understand it.

But in regards to Jeter, to me he is the only current player in baseball that I could see playing in the golden era of baseball. From the time he was a child he wanted to play for the Yankees. He has tremendous pride and loyalty to the team. He puts his team first. Plays because he wants to play. Doesn't show off, doesn't create any nonsense outside of the game, and is just an all around class act.

[edpontiac91]

Firebirdcrazy...I agree with you on many accounts. I for one still feel Roger Maris is the single-season home run king. When juiced up guys were breaking his record I thought it was such a disgrace. And it KILLS me that he is still not in the hall of fame. Aside from breaking Ruth's record he has 2 MVP awards, 3 world series titles, was a gold glove winner and 4 time all-star. Can't understand it.

But in regards to Jeter, to me he is the only current player in baseball that I could see playing in the golden era of baseball. From the time he was a child he wanted to play for the Yankees. He has tremendous pride and loyalty to the team. He puts his team first. Plays because he wants to play. Doesn't show off, doesn't create any nonsense outside of the game, and is just an all around class act.

I agree with ALL THE ABOVE+100%:clap:

[firebirdcrazy]

Firebirdcrazy...I agree with you on many accounts. I for one still feel Roger Maris is the single-season home run king. When juiced up guys were breaking his record I thought it was such a disgrace. And it KILLS me that he is still not in the hall of fame. Aside from breaking Ruth's record he has 2 MVP awards, 3 world series titles, was a gold glove winner and 4 time all-star. Can't understand it.

But in regards to Jeter, to me he is the only current player in baseball that I could see playing in the golden era of baseball. From the time he was a child he wanted to play for the Yankees. He has tremendous pride and loyalty to the team. He puts his team first. Plays because he wants to play. Doesn't show off, doesn't create any nonsense outside of the game, and is just an all around class act.

I agree also 100% very well put. Your also right about Roger Maris awesome player.

[Mike]

just because past players didnt have access to juice, doesnt mean they wouldnt have done it if they could, the players didnt magically have more love for the game or higher moral standards..

[Miles]

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sadly i took the time to figure that out...

[LS1Hawk]

just because past players didnt have access to juice, doesnt mean they wouldnt have done it if they could, the players didnt magically have more love for the game or higher moral standards..

I'm not saying that they wouldn't either. But back then the mind set was that extra bulk slowed you down. Players didn't train and work out like they do today to be better. So in a way, guys back then were more naturally aspired athletes. Today's players are also more motivated to play well because of free agency. How many times you hear, "He's in a contract year, so expect him to have a really good season," like guys will only play their best when they know they can make more money. The most Mickey Mantle ever made in a season was $100,000, and that was his salary from '63 - '68 when he retired. If you add up all his seasons, he made roughly $1.2 million over his career. Guys today are making more in a single season than he did his whole career.

[NastyEllEssWon]

I'm not saying that they wouldn't either. But back then the mind set was that extra bulk slowed you down. Players didn't train and work out like they do today to be better. So in a way, guys back then were more naturally aspired athletes. Today's players are also more motivated to play well because of free agency. How many times you hear, "He's in a contract year, so expect him to have a really good season," like guys will only play their best when they know they can make more money. The most Mickey Mantle ever made in a season was $100,000, and that was his salary from '63 - '68 when he retired. If you add up all his seasons, he made roughly $1.2 million over his career. Guys today are making more in a single season than he did his whole career.




yeah and inflation doesnt account for anything???? compare the price of movie tickets for example :nod:

[Mike]

I'm not saying that they wouldn't either. But back then the mind set was that extra bulk slowed you down. Players didn't train and work out like they do today to be better. So in a way, guys back then were more naturally aspired athletes. Today's players are also more motivated to play well because of free agency. How many times you hear, "He's in a contract year, so expect him to have a really good season," like guys will only play their best when they know they can make more money. The most Mickey Mantle ever made in a season was $100,000, and that was his salary from '63 - '68 when he retired. If you add up all his seasons, he made roughly $1.2 million over his career. Guys today are making more in a single season than he did his whole career.

was it? babe ruth was a bulky dude.....fact is, if the products around today existed, they WOULD have used them, and if the money the players earn today existed, they WOULD have wanted it

[NastyEllEssWon]

was it? babe ruth was a bulky dude.....fact is, if the products around today existed, they WOULD have used them, and if the money the players earn today existed, they WOULD have wanted it





i concur. its the nature of the beast.



if you want to blame anyone for steroids you should look at the front offices of the MLB for the past 30 years or so for turning a blind eye to steroid use because of increasing revenue. If you also want to look at it steroids was the savior of modern baseball after the strike, i.e Mcguire, Sosa, Griffeys homerun battles the few years afterwards which renewed an interest in a declining market which the nfl recaptured with the introduction of free agency and salary caps putting an end to boring dynasties.

[Mike]

remember, the players then werent any more classy than the players now, the media just didnt cover everything. alcohol and "upper" abuse was RAMPANT. domestic violence was RAMPANT, gambeling/throwing games was common, and "doctoring" the ball (pitchers) and corking the bat (hitters) was MUCH more common.

messing with the ball or bat to gain an advantage is a PERFORMANCE ENHANCER, just like the steroids of today

[NastyEllEssWon]

yup babe ruth was probably one of the biggest scumbags to walk this earth, yet people hold him in such high regards. media probably had more respect back then.

[baddest434]

gosh jay first jeters a scumbag now ruth.

i can imagine what you would call a REAL SCUMBAG like micheal vick

[NastyEllEssWon]

gosh jay first jeters a scumbag now ruth.

i can imagine what you would call a REAL SCUMBAG like micheal vick






#2 quarterback :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

#2 quarterback :lol:

Yeah, the Egirls fan has big balls calling the Yankees a bunch of scumbags...

Ruth was no doubt a drunk, and if he was around today, he would be alllll over the news.

[Miles]

#2 quarterback :lol:

Scumbag isn't anywhere near a strong enough word for him.

[LS1Hawk]

Without a doubt, Ruth was a HEAVY drinker. So was Mantle and his crew. But put aside if the stuff was around back then and they could take the roids argument...the fact is they were able to be drunk, play with injuries, and still put up huge numbers. Could you image what the Mick would have been doing if on roids? He be hitting the ball out of the stadium.

[BonzoHansen]

Forget PEDs. Imagine what Mantle would have done with modern medicine and procedures.

[LTb1ow]

Found the cure to cancer?

[BonzoHansen]

Yes, he got cancer in his playing days. :rolleyes: Why don't you GTFO if you are not interested in a topic?

[firebirdcrazy]

Mantle would have dominated the league to the point that no one would have broken his records. That was one damn talented player!!

[BonzoHansen]

The old guys that saw him break into the league said he was easily the fastest guy they ever saw. He lost a few steps when he tore the knee up, IIRC in the 1951 series he caught a spike in a drain in the outfield.

When Canseco was hitting HRs and stealing bases for Oakland, Mantle qupped 'if I thought stealing bases was going to be important I'd have done it more'. lol

[LS1Hawk]

The old guys that saw him break into the league said he was easily the fastest guy they ever saw. He lost a few steps when he tore the knee up, IIRC in the 1951 series he caught a spike in a drain in the outfield.

When Canseco was hitting HRs and stealing bases for Oakland, Mantle qupped 'if I thought stealing bases was going to be important I'd have done it more'. lol

The Mick was once clocked running from home to first in 3.1 seconds. From what I know that record still stands.

After he stepped in the drain, that injury plagued the rest of his career and he would have to wrap his leg from the hip to his ankle before every game, and even still he played at a level far above other players of the time.

[BonzoHansen]

I'm seeing Red Bull in the dugout and such very often now. Just an observation

[LTb1ow]

I'm seeing Red Bull in the dugout and such very often now. Just an observation

Are you saying red bull is a performance enhancer?

Yuuuck.

[BonzoHansen]

It isn't helping me a whole lot, lol.

Dunno. Just an observation.