New Z28 has been reconfirmed

[Tru2Chevy]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43600

"Inside Line just got confirmation that the supercharged 500-plus horsepower Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 is back in the product plan and is set for production. It had appeared that the extra-high-performance Camaro had fallen victim to the cost-cutter's knife.

According to Ed Welburn, GM's Vice President for global design, the on-again, off-again Z/28 is back in the plan. The modified body is done, according to Welburn. There is still calibration work to be done on the powertrain, though. We're still looking at about a year's wait before the Z/28 would appear.

The basic engine is a 6.2-liter supercharged V8, which sees duty in the Cadillac CTS-V. In that application, the engine makes 556-horsepower and is available with either a 6-speed manual or a 6-speed automatic. There's no reason to assume that the Z/28 wouldn't be offered with both transmissions and only a fool would turn down the power much. The vehicle will come with a specific body kit with a slightly raised hood to accommodate the top-mounted intercooler/supercharger unit and a tall rear spoiler. Specific wheel design and suspension tune will surely be part of the package. Wider rear rubber might prove necessary, too, we'd think. (Obviously, this isn't a Camaro Z/28 in the photo, so you use your imagination and mentally add a hood scoop.)

Alongside this news, we hear that GM is considering doing a higher-performance version of the V6 Camaro, in hopes of piquing the interest of less traditional Camaro enthusiasts. -- Dan Pund, Senior Editor, Detroit"

I always assumed that it was coming back on the table soon enough, just didn't think it would be announced this soon.

Time to go GT500 hunting :twisted:

- Justin

[Iroc-z86]

SWEET!! I was looking to get one next year... maybe ill save a little more and get a z :)

where is big al?? he is slacking with some info!!!

[NastyEllEssWon]

:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[Frosty]

Time to go GT500 hunting :twisted:

- Justin

Hell, a mildly modded SS could go GT500 hunting. The Z28 comparison won't even be fair. :)

[Tru2Chevy]

Sounds like the Z28 will be priced under the Corvette (duh) but won't be available until late 2011.

They'll have to re-certified everything with the new engine in it.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

What's the over/under - $50,000 to start?

[maroman88]

awesome!!!!!

[mtg6486]

thats going to be sweet

[LS1Hawk]

And this just after GM said they are considering a hybrid Corvette to keep icon alive.

[mc73nova]

Damn, I have some saving to do! That is going to be sick.

[Frosty]

And this just after GM said they are considering a hybrid Corvette to keep icon alive.

You're kidding right?

[BigAls87Z28]

Big Al was in Aruba.
I leave for Aruba, and now GM wants to put a split window on the C7 Corvette, and made a 4300lbs Camaro Z28.

Ponder this boys and girls...there is a very good chance that the upcoming CTS-V coupe (there is a V-wagon approved too) will weigh LESS then the Camaro "Z28".
CTS-V sedan comes in at 4200lbs give or take.
Camaro SS is a shade under 3900lbs.

So instead of making a Camaro Z06, they are making a Camaro GT500. Great.

There are no plans on making the Corvette a hybrid. It would be easy, and at this point there will probably be some sort of mild hybrid system planned for ever car from here till the end of the combustion engine.
Porshce and Ferrari are both are developing performance hybrid systems for thier cars.
The next S class is rumored to be a full hybrid only.
BMW is using the GM-Developed Two-Mode system to boost performance and MPG from its new Twin Turbo V8 engine that is already in production for the X6, the 750i, and 550i GT. This is the same V8TT that will replace the big V10 in the M5. Possible that a two-mode hyrbid system could boost the output of the upcoming M5 from the 530 rumored power to near 600 when needed.

For GM's sake, for the sake of trying to return to the image of a company of innovation, a hybrid performance Corvette would be revolutionary.

[Tru2Chevy]

What's the over/under - $50,000 to start?

Yea, I'm guessing base MSRP will be $49,995

And yes Al, I agree with you. Sounds like the Z28 will be a heavy pig compared to it's v6 and SS brothers. Would be nice to see a lightweight 450-475 hp Z28, but we both knew it wasn't likely.

- Justin

[JL8Jeff]

How would the Z28 weigh 400 lbs more than the SS? That doesn't really make sense unless you put sand bags in the trunk.

[Tru2Chevy]

How would the Z28 weigh 400 lbs more than the SS? That doesn't really make sense unless you put sand bags in the trunk.

Same deal with the Mustang GT and GT500. There is a 300-400lb difference in the two.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

Correct, the GT500 is 4k, up from under 3600 lbs.
Its not like the GT500 gets an IRS system either...suspension is the same, at least in design.
Ive heard anywhere from 4100lbs to 4300lbs.

[NjbadSS]

wowwwwwwwwwww..sounds amazing. Bet all of the people who ran out and bought a new SS will be kicking themselves after these roll off the assembly lines!

[NastyEllEssWon]

heres hoping for a live axle

[ib4200]

How would the Z28 weigh 400 lbs more than the SS? That doesn't really make sense unless you put sand bags in the trunk.



well theres the supercharger, and possibly, hopefully beefyer drivetrain, and some stiffening of the chassis should be nearing 400 lbs, plus a bunch of little things like ground effects, a million z28 badges, and wider rear tires/wheels

[BigAls87Z28]

yeah! Throw in some leafsprings with some big ass shackles!! Garbiel Air-Jackers and some Craigers stock!!

[Tru2Chevy]

heres hoping for a live axle

Heh, won't happen. They have a lot of faith in this IRS. I haven't actually been searching, but I haven't seen much if any complaining about trouble launching the car.

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

heres hoping for a live axle

and heres living in the past :lol:

[Saitin]

here's to the SS and 2SS being on used lots next year.

[LTb1ow]

I'll take the engine/drivetrain.

[Blacdout96]

here's to the SS and 2SS being on used lots next year.

Allows real enthusiests like us to obtain one a little better :)

[sweetbmxrider]

shweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[bobb1589]

i might actually be interested in the higher-performance v6 depending on what they do to it

[NastyEllEssWon]

and heres living in the past :lol:






and heres to owning v6's and sitting on phone books to see over the wheel :lol:

[NJ346]

I'll take the engine/drivetrain.

but, what about teh LTWON!!!

[LTb1ow]

That power train would be most excellent in my speed skiff. LT1 stays in Fbod. ;)

[Frosty]

heres hoping for a live axle

Agreed...one of the only complaints I had with my 'vette...I didn't like the way the IRS felt.

and heres to owning v6's and sitting on phone books to see over the wheel :lol:

Oh snap :rofl:

[Blacdout96]

Yeah, IRS is not the best for drag racing, it's more for cutting corners with. I think the Cobra's had it, then borught the live axle back cause they were jsut squating on the take off.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

You're kidding right?

Think what you want about the hybrid Vette.

http://www.fquick.com/blog/Corvette_could_go_hybrid_to_meet_fuel_standards/3326

[Tru2Chevy]

Agreed...one of the only complaints I had with my 'vette...I didn't like the way the IRS felt.

Neither did the parking lot at Applebees ;)

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah, IRS is not the best for drag racing, it's more for cutting corners with. I think the Cobra's had it, then borught the live axle back cause they were jsut squating on the take off.

Don't mix up a band aid system that was in the sn95 cobras to the system in the camaro. The new mustang didn't get irs because it was too expensive to add. At least for ford.
They said it was because that's what the enthusiasts wanted. The also want a 429 cobra jet standard but I guess the didn't get that memo

[LTb1ow]

Al, how is the Z28 going to be heavier, when the article states other wise?

[BigAls87Z28]

Cause it is. 550+ hp will require a few bits of additional support

[NastyEllEssWon]

supercharged camaro is the only way they can get that thing to move properly. get with the times al, you said it yourself in another thread....the safety technology in the new camaro is the reasons its heavier

[Tru2Chevy]

Al, how is the Z28 going to be heavier, when the article states other wise?

Where did you read that the Z28 is projected to be lighter than the SS?

- Justin

[LTb1ow]

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_news/112_0909_chevrolet_camaro_z28_is_go/index.html

"The near-4300-pound CTS-V thunders from 0 to 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and nails the quarter mile in 12.3 seconds (automatic) or 12.4 seconds (manual). Top speed is limited to 175 mph in the auto (to preserve the tranny), but the manual will storm to an autobahn-melting 193 mph. As the Z/28 will weigh 200 to 300 pounds less than the CTS-V, it may nail 60 mph in 3.9 seconds and run the quarter in the very low 12s."

[Tru2Chevy]

That's the CTS-V.....we are concerned that the Z28 is heavier than the SS.

- Justin

[NastyEllEssWon]

That's the CTS-V.....we are concerned that the Z28 is heavier than the SS.

- Justin




if it sits in between the cts v and the ss then its right where it should be

[Tru2Chevy]

if it sits in between the cts v and the ss then its right where it should be

Well, if it's between the two it won't be too bad, but I would argue that it should be at least between the LT and SS in weight.

- Justin

[NastyEllEssWon]

its the structure of the new camaro that makes it heavy. i dont see where they can lose weight when theyre gonna have to beef it up to hold up

[Tru2Chevy]

its the structure of the new camaro that makes it heavy. i dont see where they can lose weight when theyre gonna have to beef it up to hold up

Get rid of frills

- Justin

[Blackbirdws6]

Sounds really pricey but I will dig it. Still would prefer a used one year old c6 to this car but once I see these modded I'll drool.

[BigAls87Z28]

supercharged camaro is the only way they can get that thing to move properly. get with the times al, you said it yourself in another thread....the safety technology in the new camaro is the reasons its heavier

Move properly?
So 0-60 in the mid 4's, quarter mile in the 12's, braking under 110 ft from 60mph, packing 426hp...thas not movign properly?

I didnt say that the safety technology int he Camaro makes it heavy, the chassis is very strong, but the equipment overall makes the car heavier.
How much does a 4th gen Trans Am WS6 weigh? 3600-3700lbs?
Add 20's, IRS suspension, 4 more air bags, massive brakes, full dual exhaust with 4 mufflers, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand your 4th gen would be heavier then a 5th gen.
And the 5th gen goes faster, handles better, drives nicer, has more equipment, and gets better gas milage. Not to mention has better materials.


http://www.motortrend.com/auto_news/112_0909_chevrolet_camaro_z28_is_go/index.html

"The near-4300-pound CTS-V thunders from 0 to 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and nails the quarter mile in 12.3 seconds (automatic) or 12.4 seconds (manual). Top speed is limited to 175 mph in the auto (to preserve the tranny), but the manual will storm to an autobahn-melting 193 mph. As the Z/28 will weigh 200 to 300 pounds less than the CTS-V, it may nail 60 mph in 3.9 seconds and run the quarter in the very low 12s."

They are wrong. Z28 will come in north of 2 tons, by a good margin.
And the performance wont gain anything near that!! The GT500 runs 4.1-4.3 0-60 and low 12s, only a few tenths off the CTS-V, and the weight gap is about 300lbs.


if it sits in between the cts v and the ss then its right where it should be

Problem is that it could be heavier then the CTS-V coupe...
Now some might think thats right, that the more expensive CTS-V should be lighter, faster then the lowly Chevy, but what it comes down to are two cars that are within a Cobalt of eachother in price, but the CTS-V offers a better package with better interior, quality, fit and finish, ride, magnaride suspension, etc etc etc...

its the structure of the new camaro that makes it heavy. i dont see where they can lose weight when theyre gonna have to beef it up to hold up

The chassis is plenty strong, but it will need some stronger driveline parts for the engine.
Additional weight will come from larger radiator, additional coolant for the internal intercooler, stronger motor mounts,
Had they not felt the need to ADD power, but only increase it a bit but focus all the work on a lighter and tighter Z28 package, you get a better car that is faster then the SS without adding all the nonsense.

[Frosty]

Neither did the parking lot at Applebees ;)

- Justin

Shaddap ;)

[Blacdout96]

Don't mix up a band aid system that was in the sn95 cobras to the system in the camaro. The new mustang didn't get irs because it was too expensive to add. At least for ford.
They said it was because that's what the enthusiasts wanted. The also want a 429 cobra jet standard but I guess the didn't get that memo

Yeah, I heard they took the air ride suspension from the Towncar's and MkVIII's and swapped out the air bags for springs and called it a day, at least that's what someone had told me.

[BigAls87Z28]

The mark 8 has IRS. Or had I should say.
The suspension design is very familiar for third/fourth gen guys. Its damn near identical.

[iroc86NJ]

I am glad that GM finally decided to give the Z/28 the green light.

However they should have taken a page out of the Mitsubishi play book and offered the Z/28 in a stripped down form like Mitsu did with the Evo VIII RS. I.E: no radio, no rear seat, less sound deadening material....blah blah blah....you all get my point. Add all the bells and whistles at a premium and make your money off the baby boomers with bad backs!!!


Don't get me wrong I will by one in 2011......but shortly after, that thing is gonna be put on diet!!! lol

[jims69camaro]

here's to the SS and 2SS being on used lots next year.

and the Z28 one year later...

I'll take the engine/drivetrain.

from the first one to wrap himself around a telephone pole.

Allows real enthusiests like us to obtain one a little better :)

again, one more year for the z28.

if it sits in between the cts v and the ss then its right where it should be

not in my book. but then again, i am a true hot rodder. if it is not necessary to go fast or brake better, toss it. i don't need 17 cup holders.

Get rid of frills
- Justin

amen. i don't need 17... oh, i said that. my '88 formula had roll up windows and manual locks. it was a true 'stripper', as it didn't even come with floor mats. if it doesn't make it go fast or stop better, toss it. it's going to be interesting to see how weight nazis can get rid of the excess in the '10 camaro.

p.s. mitsubishi was not the pioneer in stripper models. they only copied the page from a long unused book by chevy.

[LTb1ow]

and the Z28 one year later...
from the first one to wrap himself around a telephone pole.


Hey, I resent that. :moon:

[BigAls87Z28]

I am glad that GM finally decided to give the Z/28 the green light.

However they should have taken a page out of the Mitsubishi play book and offered the Z/28 in a stripped down form like Mitsu did with the Evo VIII RS. I.E: no radio, no rear seat, less sound deadening material....blah blah blah....you all get my point. Add all the bells and whistles at a premium and make your money off the baby boomers with bad backs!!!


Don't get me wrong I will by one in 2011......but shortly after, that thing is gonna be put on diet!!! lol

So you have no problem spending MORE money for LESS equipment?
Doesnt work like that. You want a race car, make one yourself.
People are gunna spend over 40k for this car.
GM knows how to remove weight. They cut a lot of weight off the C6 for the Z06, and while they did use an aluminum chassis and carbon fiber, GM knows how to cut 150lbs off this car.
Removal of some sound supression stuff could work. The Camaro is a VERY quiet car on the road. Cut weight on the exhaust by removing and retuning the exhaust. The mufflers alone could cut 40lbs off the car. So remove another 50 lbs of sound suppression.
Two piece rotors could cut a few pounds off each wheel. The SS's brakes are already massive and impressive.
Maybe an 18/19 wheel package too to cut down on the rotational weight, and move to a forged wheel.

150lbs I think, is an easy target. Lighter then a V6 car, more power then the V8 car, target in handling is teh M3.
The 2011 Mustang GT is aiming directly at the M3 in all aspects. IMO, the M3 is the benchmark for any and all coupes.

[iroc86NJ]

So you have no problem spending MORE money for LESS equipment?

Sorry i didn't make my point clearly, I do have a problem with a 50K Z/28.....However like Mitsu did with the EVO, GM should offer a stripper Z/28 for enthusiasts at an SS1 price point......if you want a bunch of options add them on.....but Gm shouldn't assume that everyone wants a 12 speaker audio system, leather seats or even A/C...okay maybe A/c delete is a bit over kill....but hopefully you get my point now

[Blacdout96]

I understand and agree to have the option of getting a stripped version if you know you really are going to use it for the purpose that it was built, or you can buy the loaded version so you can cruise it in at the local car gatherings, and show off all the bells, even thought the car will never see above 50mph in it's life.

[BigAls87Z28]

Sorry i didn't make my point clearly, I do have a problem with a 50K Z/28.....However like Mitsu did with the EVO, GM should offer a stripper Z/28 for enthusiasts at an SS1 price point......if you want a bunch of options add them on.....but Gm shouldn't assume that everyone wants a 12 speaker audio system, leather seats or even A/C...okay maybe A/c delete is a bit over kill....but hopefully you get my point now

I understand but I don't think that the Z28 will come standard with a fully loaded equipment list. Z06 doesn't so Imo GM had done a good job of that. .

[Frosty]

I understand but I don't think that the Z28 will come standard with a fully loaded equipment list. Z06 doesn't so Imo GM had done a good job of that. .

:werd: