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thunder
10-05-2009, 01:34 AM
i got my first 2 tickets today. i picked up 3 of my friends from kean and i was leaving the parking lot and i was doing 25-30 ish. and as i left i got pulled over. 4-5 cops ended up behind me for no reason.
i got 2 tickets for this
the first is for still being on my Provisional Statue No. 39:3-13.8b
second one for careless driving Statue no. 39:4-97
Since i have never gotten a ticket before i dont really know what to do or expect. any advice will be appreciated
CHRIS67
10-05-2009, 06:30 AM
Expect to pay a lot more in insurance. They will probably consider you a high risk driver. I went throught that many years ago and went from paying $1200 a year to $3400 a year for the next 3 years. :shock:
1. Stop being irresponsible.
2. Don't break the law.
3. Pay the damn tickets, and move on.
4. ???
5. Profit
btownws6
10-05-2009, 09:07 AM
they will drop the careless to a no point ticket and you might get a surcharge and the provisional will just be a fine i've gotten plenty of them
madness410
10-05-2009, 09:09 AM
jurisdiction? were they kean cops? union county cops? you were doing 25-30 in the kean parking lot?
if by the first offense you mean staying out after hours on your provisional its a 0 point ticket but its like 100 bucks.
thunder
10-05-2009, 10:00 AM
jurisdiction? were they kean cops? union county cops? you were doing 25-30 in the kean parking lot?
if by the first offense you mean staying out after hours on your provisional its a 0 point ticket but its like 100 bucks.
i dont know. he was stopped at the light by i think the morris entrance in the right lane going out and it was green but he was just sitting there waiting for me to pass him in the left lane.
thunder
10-05-2009, 10:01 AM
they will drop the careless to a no point ticket and you might get a surcharge and the provisional will just be a fine i've gotten plenty of them
how do i do that? should i plead guilty or not guilty
BurninrubberGT
10-05-2009, 10:08 AM
wait why did you get a careless?
thunder
10-05-2009, 10:10 AM
i was going about 25-30 in an half empty parking lot. cop didnt explain much of anything to me
KirkEvil
10-05-2009, 10:14 AM
The court appearance should be mandatory for a careless. At your court date, go in and sit down, they will ask if anyone wants to talk to the prosecutor. He will offer to drop the points for a bigger fine. Expect to pay close to $400 all together.
This is what I went through with a careless, your situation and fine may be different. I had no points at the time and wanted to keep it that way so paid the extra thinking the insurance would not increase with no points. It went up anyway. If I were to do it all again I would have just taken the pints and put the money I paid to get out of them towards the insurance increase. Just my opinion.
madness410
10-05-2009, 10:52 AM
He will offer to drop the points for a bigger fine. Expect to pay close to $400 all together.
thats not always the case...when i went in for my speeding ticket the prosecutor must have been having a bad day and wouldnt let me plead for that.
LTb1ow
10-05-2009, 10:59 AM
thats not always the case...when i went in for my speeding ticket the prosecutor must have been having a bad day and wouldnt let me plead for that.
Maybe he just didn't like you. :rofl:
I have gotten out of all my court required appearance tickets. And my insurance has not gone up at all, IMO worth the extra court fees.
KirkEvil
10-05-2009, 02:19 PM
thats not always the case...when i went in for my speeding ticket the prosecutor must have been having a bad day and wouldnt let me plead for that.
Its his first ticket and he is young, they usually give you a deal. But like I said, his fine may be different from my experience.
thunder
10-05-2009, 02:22 PM
Maybe he just didn't like you. :rofl:
I have gotten out of all my court required appearance tickets. And my insurance has not gone up at all, IMO worth the extra court fees.
care to explain how u pulled that off
KirkEvil
10-05-2009, 02:23 PM
mommy and daddy's fort monmouth insurance
NastyEllEssWon
10-05-2009, 02:28 PM
if this is your first time go there and ask the prosecutor if he can help you...if he refuses like he did with madness then the judge will offer to defer this with the NJ UNSAFE DRIVING STATUTE. you tell the judge you were driving and operating unsafely and wish to plead guilty to that. its no points but a big fine. its worth it. i think you can use it like 2 or 3 times within a certain amount of time.
jims69camaro
10-05-2009, 02:54 PM
i still don't understand why he pulled you over. and what did he write those particular tickets (careless driving)? either you're not giving all of the info or the cop was having a bad day and took it out on you.
nobody in the car was 25? do you have any friends 25 or older that might have been in the car with you? like maybe in the passenger seat? not sure what the provisional license statutes are, like dawn to dusk or whatever.
thunder
10-05-2009, 03:23 PM
i still don't understand why he pulled you over. and what did he write those particular tickets (careless driving)? either you're not giving all of the info or the cop was having a bad day and took it out on you.
nobody in the car was 25? do you have any friends 25 or older that might have been in the car with you? like maybe in the passenger seat? not sure what the provisional license statutes are, like dawn to dusk or whatever.
honestly im not even sure why i got pulled over. i was going above the parking lot speed limit but i was not squealing my tires or doing donuts or anything. I wasnt aware that i was even being noticable
cdacda13
10-05-2009, 03:30 PM
nobody in the car was 25? do you have any friends 25 or older that might have been in the car with you? like maybe in the passenger seat? not sure what the provisional license statutes are, like dawn to dusk or whatever.
The rules for a provisional license are, no out of state driving, no more than one passenger in the car (unless it is family, then any number is allowed.) Certain time restrictions apply also.
LTb1ow
10-05-2009, 04:15 PM
mommy and daddy's fort monmouth insurance
How ?
I went to court plead my case, got the one two point down to a no point, paid the crazy fees, and then last 5 point offense I got knocked down to a 2 point. Just gotta pay the fines.
As far as insurance, I dunno, the last offense I told the insurance I was doing the work myself. The first one, I don't think they know about.
Me ftw.
sweetbmxrider
10-05-2009, 04:27 PM
The court appearance should be mandatory for a careless. At your court date, go in and sit down, they will ask if anyone wants to talk to the prosecutor. He will offer to drop the points for a bigger fine. Expect to pay close to $400 all together.
This is what I went through with a careless, your situation and fine may be different. I had no points at the time and wanted to keep it that way so paid the extra thinking the insurance would not increase with no points. It went up anyway. If I were to do it all again I would have just taken the pints and put the money I paid to get out of them towards the insurance increase. Just my opinion.
not on a careless unless it was tied into an accident. wreckless, yes.
How ?
I went to court plead my case, got the one two point down to a no point, paid the crazy fees, and then last 5 point offense I got knocked down to a 2 point. Just gotta pay the fines.
As far as insurance, I dunno, the last offense I told the insurance I was doing the work myself. The first one, I don't think they know about.
Me ftw.
so how is going to court getting out of a court appearance required ticket? logic fail?
LTb1ow
10-05-2009, 04:30 PM
Bah, you fail at interpretation, I meant getting out of the ticket I earned.
KirkEvil
10-05-2009, 04:41 PM
when I got the careless a court appearance was required. I dont think going to court and paying fines to reduce a ticket is "getting out of a ticket".
LTb1ow
10-05-2009, 04:43 PM
It is when the ticket is 5 points and you walk out of court with a completely different and much lesser ticket.
thunder
10-05-2009, 04:53 PM
ya but in the end u still got a ticket
LTb1ow
10-05-2009, 04:55 PM
I guess, but what I was saying before is, my first two point ticket I went to court plead it down to a no point offense and was good to go. No insurance rate increase and no points on the license.
sweetbmxrider
10-05-2009, 05:09 PM
when I got the careless a court appearance was required. I dont think going to court and paying fines to reduce a ticket is "getting out of a ticket".
strange, i have gotten several, never a court appearance required. none of my tickets were.
ya but in the end u still got a ticket
would you rather lose a hand or a finger? :D
ShitOnWheels
10-05-2009, 06:40 PM
I got my first ticket ever a year ago (after 9 years of driving with nothing). It was a 3 point ticket that I initially was going to just take and deal with. But I was convinced to go to court and fight it, and I'm glad I did. I got it reduced to no points, although I paid a fortune for it ($450 I believe). But my insurance never went up.
It might be worth going to court. I believe the worse they can do is deny your plead of not guilty and you pay the original tickets. I don't think they increase your fines (only thing they might be able to do if it was warranted was contempt of court, but obviously you wouldn't do anything in court to warrant that).
Savage_Messiah
10-06-2009, 02:58 AM
if this is your first time go there and ask the prosecutor if he can help you...if he refuses like he did with madness then the judge will offer to defer this with the NJ UNSAFE DRIVING STATUTE. you tell the judge you were driving and operating unsafely and wish to plead guilty to that. its no points but a big fine. its worth it. i think you can use it like 2 or 3 times within a certain amount of time.
It used to be 2 times within I believe 5 years... but now it's lifetime. Can only plead down to it twice. 3rd time is 4 points and huge fine. DMV went above the law pulling this yet it still stands, I've heard at least 2-3 judges bitch about it in courts.
sweetbmxrider
10-06-2009, 07:25 AM
It used to be 2 times within I believe 5 years... but now it's lifetime. Can only plead down to it twice. 3rd time is 4 points and huge fine. DMV went above the law pulling this yet it still stands, I've heard at least 2-3 judges bitch about it in courts.
:shock:....fml!!! are we grandfathered in?
Savage_Messiah
10-06-2009, 12:03 PM
no, those of us that have 2... ****ed, gotta behave now :lol:
LTb1ow
10-06-2009, 12:06 PM
I never heard that one... when was that made? I was in court a few months ago and they did not mention that.
Yea, and I def remember the judge advising people that they only had two pleas to use within some year amount.
jims69camaro
10-06-2009, 12:23 PM
i'm still in the dark. careless driving: what did the cop say you did in order to get this ticket? this is not one of those tickets cops write whenever they pull someone over - it's not like a seatbelt ticket at all. there has to be some circumstance that made the situation special in order for him to write that. if you don't know, the cop was unclear, or you can't remember what the cop said, then it greatly diminishes the amount of help anyone can offer you.
sure, everyone knows that you go to traffic court, you talk to the prosecutor before proceedings start so you can find out if he's willing to move on the ticket or not. most, if not all, prosecutors will be willing to drop the charge down a notch or two but you have to plead guilty to the new charge. that is something that i think a lot of you are glossing over. once you plead guilty to a charge, you basically are giving up all of your rights in court. it means the judge can/will sentence you as s/he sees fit, regardless of anything the prosecutor may or may not say pertaining to that. you could agree with the prosecutor to drop a careless to an unsafe driving ticket, $450 in fines and $60 court fee. but once you plead guilty to that charge, you have very little recourse (you can appeal) if the judge hits you with a heavy hand because he is having a bad day. the judge almost always sentences within the guidelines, like if a fine can be between 100-250 he will usually sentence you to some dollar amount in between. he doesn't have to, though. and unless the judge is being a complete douche bag and sentences you to $1000 for a $25 ticket, then there is very little you can do about it. if he is within the guidelines, the appellate court probably won't even hear your motion to appeal.
now, getting back to the OP, you are walking into court pleading not guilty. that means that you have to notify the court (usually by calling the court clerk) of your intentions to contest the charge. that also means that they have to get the cop into court, which is not always as easy as it seems. so, you called the clerk, pleaded not guilty and it's your day in court. dress nicely, but a suit and tie are overboard. usually dark slacks with a nice button-down oxford are all that are needed. you will ask to speak to the prosecutor. in some municipalities, talking with the prosecutor is mandatory.
listen to everything he says. if there was ever a time to pay attention to someone, now is it. think about what he is offering you. will you do better with a high fine and no insurance hike, or would it be better for you to pay less now and more later? nobody can answer this for you. if you agree, then you will be called up in turn and asked if you reached an agreement with the prosecutor. it's pretty much cut and dried from there. expect, if you decide to pay the higher penalty now, to walk into court with $600-1000 and walk out with empty pockets. if you think you should pay the lower fine now and get hit with an insurance hike, then that amount will be considerably lower.
i'm having trouble with your perception that you didn't think you were even noticeable, but you got a careless driving ticket. were you driving over the painted lines, or between them? as in, if people could have parked there, would you have had to go around them, or were you proceeding in the traffic lane already? anyway, good luck. i hope i have helped a little bit.
sweetbmxrider
10-06-2009, 07:00 PM
no, those of us that have 2... ****ed, gotta behave now :lol:
**** **** ****!!!! :lol:
I never heard that one... when was that made? I was in court a few months ago and they did not mention that.
Yea, and I def remember the judge advising people that they only had two pleas to use within some year amount.
it used to be once every 3 and/or twice every 5.
maroman88
10-07-2009, 12:40 AM
id like to chime in... corzine signed a new bunch of rules into effect for provisional lisences, guess no one saw. since u have a provisional lisence, YOU CAN'T PLEAD IT DOWN. The prosecutors arent alowd to give breaks to provisional drivers anymore.... maybe your grandfathered in?? duno wen u got ur provisional or if that even matters
sweetbmxrider
10-07-2009, 07:17 AM
ohhhhhhhhhh that sucks!
WayFast84
10-07-2009, 09:58 AM
I hate to break it to you but you cant plead down with your provisional license. Change it ASAP. I can't change min till august of 10 even though I have all ready been driving for a year. I have no point's and I need my regular license to get my motorcycle license. The DMV is really wack. Consider it a learning experience pay the fine, drive safer and get a radar detector..
NINJA
I just saw Marromans post.
id like to chime in... corzine signed a new bunch of rules into effect for provisional lisences, guess no one saw. since u have a provisional lisence, YOU CAN'T PLEAD IT DOWN. The prosecutors arent alowd to give breaks to provisional drivers anymore.... maybe your grandfathered in?? duno wen u got ur provisional or if that even matters
:owned:
I think if newb drivers break the law they should take away their license for a year, no questions asked.
thunder
10-07-2009, 01:51 PM
:owned:
I think if newb drivers break the law they should take away their license for a year, no questions asked.
ive had my license for almost 3 years. but everytime i go to the DMV to update it theres always a complication. ive tried 4 times
btownws6
10-07-2009, 02:00 PM
just plead not guilty and the prosecutor will work it out
DaSkinnyGuy
10-07-2009, 02:08 PM
:banghead:
you had more than one friend in the car with a provisonal lic what were you thinking!!!! did you skip drivers ed class in high shool? If this was your first time getting pulled over ever and they slapped you with two tickets you just messed up by the cops. from what ive seen for the most part cops give you at least a warning the first time you ever get pulled over on a prov license.
just plead not guilty and the prosecutor will work it out
Reading comprehension is not working out today, ehh?
maroman88
10-07-2009, 06:58 PM
Reading comprehension is not working out today, ehh?
LOL!
Frosty
10-07-2009, 07:00 PM
id like to chime in... corzine signed a new bunch of rules into effect for provisional lisences, guess no one saw. since u have a provisional lisence, YOU CAN'T PLEAD IT DOWN. The prosecutors arent alowd to give breaks to provisional drivers anymore.... maybe your grandfathered in?? duno wen u got ur provisional or if that even matters
QFT.
Frosty
10-07-2009, 07:01 PM
I think if newb drivers break the law they should take away their license for a year, no questions asked.
That's a little rough. So by your theory a simple parking ticket warrants a 1 year suspension? Someone making an honest mistake warrants a 1 year suspension? Damn man, lol. Remind me not to piss you off. :D
That's a little rough. So by your theory a simple parking ticket warrants a 1 year suspension? Someone making an honest mistake warrants a 1 year suspension? Damn man, lol. Remind me not to piss you off. :D
Didn't phrase it correctly, by breaking the law I meant a moving violation. I don't really take parking tickets seriously. Hell, I got one for parking in front of my house :lol:
But yea, if a newb runs a red light, speeds, runs a stop sign or any other moving violation - 1 year suspension mandatory. I think it would cut down on the stupidity.
Blacdout96
10-08-2009, 10:02 AM
+1 for what Tsar says. When kids get their provisional, they are still in an immature state, and also in an impression state, so loading frineds in a car, and goofing off are somethign uncommon to see, at least around here. As they say, driving is a privilage, not a right.
Frosty
10-08-2009, 10:28 AM
So why is the 18yr old that does 75 in a 55 zone any different than us who have had our licenses for years? The fact is it's still speeding, careless drive etc...
Blacdout96
10-08-2009, 11:00 AM
We have a little more experience, plain and simple, and if someone can't control their car and kill others or themselves, Darwinism is in place, because either way the person is ****ed for being careless. **** happens for a reason, thats life, but once again, what do you think is safer @ 75 mph, a 16 yr old with 3 friends in the car, clowning around ,music blasting, and having a mental feeling to impress, or a 25 year old who understand the dangers of the roads, and how to keep an eye out for others ( most of usolder people right?). Not to say everyone is like that, but for all the area provisional kids who were killed the past were traveling with multiple kids in the car, twice the speed limit on the roads.
A whole bunch of girls were killed when they were playing car tag with their friends at over 100mph, they lost control, flipped and killed all but one girl in the car, that was the worst one of them all.
LTb1ow
10-08-2009, 11:02 AM
We have a little more experience, plain and simple, and if someone can't control their car and kill others or themselves, Darwinism is in place, because either way the person is ****ed for being careless.
Aha... while young drivers are pretty stupid, there is no way in hell you could convince me that once you are older than say 20, you are an expert...
Blacdout96
10-08-2009, 11:08 AM
Depends on how serious you take your life and others around you when you drive, hence I say not everyone is like that.
So why is the 18yr old that does 75 in a 55 zone any different than us who have had our licenses for years? The fact is it's still speeding, careless drive etc...
because its a provisional license. the point of it should be strict provisions.
LTb1ow
10-08-2009, 11:11 AM
Yea but part of it is to get young drivers, driving time with strict regulations so they don't get a full license and go buck wild on the stupid.
Tough call I guess, juggling very needed experience with punishment..
So why is the 18yr old that does 75 in a 55 zone any different than us who have had our licenses for years? The fact is it's still speeding, careless drive etc...
We can debate "why" questions until we are blue in the face, that won't help. The way I see it, provisional license is one's "try out" stage for a normal license, it is their duty to not mess up their "try out", if they do mess up they should face harsher consequences for their stupidity. As stated before, license is not a right; it's a privilege, granted by the state government, which I think should be earned. If an 18 year old can't follow simple provisional rules that are given to him at the same time as his provisional license, than he does not deserve such privilege.
Why are older, more experienced, drivers treated differently? Because they have passed their provisional requirements for their privilege to drive on state's roads. In my mind this is similar to a employment contract when one has a probation period when they are first hired for a job, if they mess up, it's good bye time - no questions asked most of the time. Even military has a version of this; you can sign up with a guaranteed chance to try out for the special forces. If you fail your selection you're going to the infantry... far, far cry from being an SF operative.
Maybe it seems harsh, but I like when people exercise personal responsibility.
Frosty
10-08-2009, 11:34 AM
I'm not disagreeing with you per say, I was just asking what makes the 18yr old speeding different than the 40yr old, that's all.
Savage_Messiah
10-08-2009, 11:36 AM
As stated before, license is not a right; it's a privilege, granted by the state government
and a privately held company
btownws6
10-08-2009, 11:59 AM
Reading comprehension is not working out today, ehh?
i didn't read through them all lol i posted it before i read :banghead:
Yea but part of it is to get young drivers, driving time with strict regulations so they don't get a full license and go buck wild on the stupid.
Tough call I guess, juggling very needed experience with punishment..
its kind of like when you start a new job, most jobs have some sort of "probation" or "provisional" period of six months or a year or what have you. you can do things during this time and get fired for something that someone with more time at the job wouldnt even get a reprimand for.
you have to earn leniency and good favor, not expect it
NastyEllEssWon
10-08-2009, 01:08 PM
I'm not disagreeing with you per say, I was just asking what makes the 18yr old speeding different than the 40yr old, that's all.
about 28 years of experience. the provisional license was made to keep kids safe. the only reason we have provisional licenses is because the overwhelming statistics of kids in car accidents with their friends. i remember i was supposed to be one of the first people to get a cinderella license, the law makers were saying these are the top common denominators in teenage accidents...
Multiple kids in car - studies show that kids, with kids wanna act like kids. behind the wheel is no place for kids.
After hours - kids are inexperienced for night driving. also trying to cut down on teenage joy riding. lots of underage drinking goes on after hours too.
honestly i have a feeling that the multiple people in a car is just trying to deter the old tragedy everyone used to hear about ''car full of kids dead, jackassery suspected.''
im all for suspensions of licenses for provisional drivers. in japan they display stickers for different experience levels of driving. im all for that. that way the cop will know whether or not right off the bat that you are a provisional driver. it should be one of those vinyl magnet stickems. failure to showing the sticker should result in a boat load of fines, penaltys and loss of license...
http://news.3yen.com/wp-content/images/kourei_2.gif
the tear drop is for people over 70
http://news.3yen.com/wp-content/images/soshsm.jpg
the two darts are used to show inexperienced drivers.
LTb1ow
10-08-2009, 01:12 PM
Oh boy... here we go again with the damn stickers... .
And nasty underage drinking started when school was out. Night is for sleeping. :)
Blacdout96
10-08-2009, 01:15 PM
im all for suspensions of licenses for provisional drivers. in japan they display stickers for different experience levels of driving. im all for that. that way the cop will know whether or not right off the bat that you are a provisional driver. it should be one of those vinyl magnet stickems. failure to showing the sticker should result in a boat load of fines, penaltys and loss of license...
http://news.3yen.com/wp-content/images/kourei_2.gif
the tear drop is for people over 70
http://news.3yen.com/wp-content/images/soshsm.jpg
the two darts are used to show inexperienced drivers.
They were looking to enact that or something here, and kids cried out saying it would allow cops to discriminate them.
thunder
10-08-2009, 01:20 PM
They were looking to enact that or something here, and kids cried out saying it would allow cops to discriminate them.
that is true. cops should pull u over based entirely on your driving
LTb1ow
10-08-2009, 01:22 PM
that is true. cops should pull u over based entirely on your driving
I disagree, cops should pull young drivers for having a bad haircut or anything else.
NastyEllEssWon
10-08-2009, 01:23 PM
well maybe its time for some good old discrimination. if they call it discrimination then i wouldnt mind putting a vinyl magnet sticker on the back of my car denoting that im an Experienced driver. :nod: that way everyone has a sticker, old, young and in between. i think maybe even stickers for drivers that have had a dui/dwi as well :nod:
LTb1ow
10-08-2009, 01:25 PM
Yup.
too many American families share cars for that system to work. if the car is registered and insured to dad who has never had an infraction in many years of driving, why should it have a newb sticker?
WildBillyT
10-08-2009, 01:52 PM
well maybe its time for some good old discrimination. if they call it discrimination then i wouldnt mind putting a vinyl magnet sticker on the back of my car denoting that im an Experienced driver. :nod: that way everyone has a sticker, old, young and in between. i think maybe even stickers for drivers that have had a dui/dwi as well :nod:
I've heard of something like that before...
HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_Letter)
Frosty
10-08-2009, 02:22 PM
about 28 years of experience. the provisional license was made to keep kids safe. the only reason we have provisional licenses is because the overwhelming statistics of kids in car accidents with their friends. i remember i was supposed to be one of the first people to get a cinderella license, the law makers were saying these are the top common denominators in teenage accidents...
Having friends in the car and having a license suspended for a year because you accidentally ran a stop sign are two completely different things. I don't mind certain restrictions with the provisional license but I was just playing devil's advocate with Tsar. The fact is 75mph in a 55mph zone is speeding regardless if you're 18, 30, or 75, that's all I was saying.
They were looking to enact that or something here, and kids cried out saying it would allow cops to discriminate them.
Yup and those kids had every right to cry out. If you open up the kids to having stickers on their car then every scumbag that has a DUI should get one, then anyone that has a careless or reckless driving charge should get one, then someone who runs stop signs should get one.....
See where it goes?
well maybe its time for some good old discrimination. if they call it discrimination then i wouldnt mind putting a vinyl magnet sticker on the back of my car denoting that im an Experienced driver. :nod: that way everyone has a sticker, old, young and in between. i think maybe even stickers for drivers that have had a dui/dwi as well :nod:
"Experienced" doesn't make you a good driver. It just means you've been driving for a long time. You could be a horrible driver who drives aggressively, who drives like a total douche...it doesn't make you a "good" one. It just means you haven't been caught yet. :rofl::mrgreen:
***Not saying you're a douche driver****
Having friends in the car and having a license suspended for a year because you accidentally ran a stop sign are two completely different things. I don't mind certain restrictions with the provisional license but I was just playing devil's advocate with Tsar. The fact is 75mph in a 55mph zone is speeding regardless if you're 18, 30, or 75, that's all I was saying.
I call BS on "accidentally" ran a stop sign. You just don't do that, unless one has a mental disability they should be aware of what their car is doing, and if they are not then they should not be driving. Everyone knows that they are suppose to come to a complete stop, if one chooses not to do it, it's their problem.
They should make me the Governator :lol:
Frosty
10-08-2009, 02:45 PM
I'm not saying I've ever run a stop sign but go drive through areas of Philly and tell me how hard it is to see some stop signs. Obviously Philly has nothing to do with NJ but I'm using it as an example. It's easy as hell to persecute a group of people if you're not in that group. I highly doubt you'd just roll over and say "Oh, well, I made a simple mistake and now I'm going to lose my license".
Tsar, I can't wait until you get a ticket. Sometimes **** happens. Sometimes people make mistakes. Not everyone that has points on their license is some wild, out of control driver. We're all human.
With that said I have no points on my license, I consider myself a good driver with an occasional oops.
If I lived in NJ and you ran for governor I'd vote for you, better than the schleps running for this election, lol.
I'm not saying I've ever run a stop sign but go drive through areas of Philly and tell me how hard it is to see some stop signs. Obviously Philly has nothing to do with NJ but I'm using it as an example. It's easy as hell to persecute a group of people if you're not in that group. I highly doubt you'd just roll over and say "Oh, well, I made a simple mistake and now I'm going to lose my license".
Tsar, I can't wait until you get a ticket. Sometimes **** happens. Sometimes people make mistakes. Not everyone that has points on their license is some wild, out of control driver. We're all human.
With that said I have no points on my license, I consider myself a good driver with an occasional oops.
If I lived in NJ and you ran for governor I'd vote for you, better than the schleps running for this election, lol.
Hey now, why be so mean!? But you're too late. You can see my reaction to getting a ticket here (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22287).
When I got to court, I told the judge I wanted to plead guilty and just pay the ticket. They kept postponing the court date so I just wanted to get it over with, and move on. He refused and said that I should go talk to the prosecutor so he can reduce my fine. I wasn't about to argue with a 105 year old judge so I went and he knocked it down to 186 bucks. Cop had nothing but good things to say about me, he said he'd let me go but his chief was one of the cars that pulled up after him, so I was SOL.. :lol: When I f**k up, I don't try to hide behind some excuse.
If you and I both vote for me, I would have two votes! How many do I need to win?
Frosty
10-08-2009, 03:03 PM
Hey now, why be so mean!? But you're too late. You can see my reaction to getting a ticket here (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22287).
When I got to court, I told the judge I wanted to plead guilty and just pay the ticket. They kept postponing the court date so I just wanted to get it over with, and move on. He refused and said that I should go talk to the prosecutor so he can reduce my fine. I wasn't about to argue with a 105 year old judge so I went and he knocked it down to 186 bucks. Cop had nothing but good things to say about me, he said he'd let me go but his chief was one of the cars that pulled up after him, so I was SOL.. :lol: When I f**k up, I don't try to hide behind some excuse.
If you and I both vote for me, I would have two votes! How many do I need to win?
I didn't mean that part in a mean way, lol. Sorry if it came off that way. Yeah, I forgot about that thread. I also wasn't making excuses for younger people that got tickets. It's just not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
Hmmm, so if you have 2 votes now...well....I'd say you need to hit the campaign trail and FAST, lol.
LTb1ow
10-08-2009, 03:05 PM
I would vote for you. You would prob make the old people in government cry.
I didn't mean that part in a mean way, lol. Sorry if it came off that way. Yeah, I forgot about that thread. I also wasn't making excuses for younger people that got tickets. It's just not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
Hmmm, so if you have 2 votes now...well....I'd say you need to hit the campaign trail and FAST, lol.
Meh, difference of opinion, happens all the time. I guess I'm just a much harsher individual :lol:
Well I guess that's another job I'm not getting, THE MAN IS KEEPING ME DOWN!!! :lol:
Blacdout96
10-08-2009, 03:37 PM
make that 4 votes. someone make a vote for Tsar shirt!
thunder
10-22-2009, 02:03 PM
so i just got off court today. they dropped the provisional thing completely cause i got my full license last week and the careless i got dropped to a no point ticket. thanks to those who helped me
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