Lexus LF-A: A $400,000 Joke?

[BigAls87Z28]

Is Toyota serious?
Yes, the stats are there. High revving V10 engine, big booming power, sub 4 sec 0-60, tons of tuning, words like carbon fiber, ceramic, titanium all flow through the articles...
BUT FOR FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS?
They are only making 500 of them. Lets just hope that they fix this whole sudden accleration thing before one of these things starts flying down the street, out of control!!
It sounds good, I will say that. Its design on the other hand...yikes.
Like a GT-R had babies with a 911 and Ferrari 599.
$400k, Lexus you sure know how to really get crazy.

http://jalopnik.com/5386363/lexus-lfa-video-provides-automotive-auralgasm?autoplay=true

[bubba428]

it looks like an NSX and a supra had babies...and then the babies had babies with each other and that thing is the result....the culmination of tacky ricer and import lust for euro trash styling. its got the ass of a GT-90 the front end of an NSX the hood of a supra, the roof/doors from a 370Z. this is the Japanese version of a high budget junkyard build. I'd rather buy a ZR-1 and a house

[sweetbmxrider]

one of the sickest cars i've seen in a while! i love it!!

[iroc86NJ]

I'm not sure they have the price set yet. Every article I've read has had a different price C&D 250K, MT 170K, R&T 200K and now i see on the internet that it ranges form 170-500k?

The car doesn't look terrible but it's not worth more then 200K.

It looks like Toyota is trying to pull off the Ferrari/Mclaren model by having a high end production road car fund their F1 development budget. Maybe Toyota should have called Ferdinand Piëch to see how his Veyron experiment was going before they started their supercar program. FYI: the Veyron is gonna end up costing VW money instead of making it.

[WildBillyT]

Meh. I think most people would rather have a ZR1 or GTR for much less money. This thing doesn't appear to perform better than either one of them.

[miketa95]

I hate toyota, but I actually think this car is pretty cool looking. Hate the way it sounds though, and 400k? certainly doesnt look like a car that should be worth any more than 80 or 90 thousand.

[WildBillyT]

I hate toyota, but I actually think this car is pretty cool looking. Hate the way it sounds though, and 400k? certainly doesnt look like a car that should be worth any more than 80 or 90 thousand.

IMO, just about every V10 sounds like crap. With the exception of the 10,000+ RPM race motors out there.

[Tsar]

Meh. I think most people would rather have a ZR1 or GTR for much less money. This thing doesn't appear to perform better than either one of them.

People who can afford a 400k Lexus can also afford all those cars you mentioned, and some extra lunch money on the side. So no choice is necessary for them.

[WildBillyT]

People who can afford a 400k Lexus can also afford all those cars you mentioned, and some extra lunch money on the side. So no choice is necessary for them.

Many people with that type of money did not get it by making poor choices. People will buy it because it's a Lexus sports car, not for its performance. Similar to the NSX, but more $.

[blueshark123]

Way over priced but let's see what they decide to price it when it comes out.

IMO, just about every V10 sounds like crap. With the exception of the 10,000+ RPM race motors out there.

I guess you havent heard a carrera GT in person!

[WildBillyT]

Way over priced but let's see what they decide to price it when it comes out.



I guess you havent heard a carrera GT in person!

I have. And I did not think it was really that great sounding. Personally I like V8s and short stroke V12s.

[blueshark123]

I have. And I did not think it was really that great sounding. Personally I like V8s and short stroke V12s.

I agree, but stock out of the box that v10 exhaust note sounds amazing.

[Tsar]

Many people with that type of money did not get it by making poor choices. People will buy it because it's a Lexus sports car, not for its performance. Similar to the NSX, but more $.

There will be only 500 of them made, and I'm sure over half of those will end up in the Middle East where people have more money than taste, the rest will end up in some warehouse where they will never be driven...

And not every well of person makes smart decisions. I can show you plenty of EXPENSIVE cars done in poor taste, for one you can look up Mansory and their creations or you can just look at this one.

http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_ireland_3.jpg

http://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_ireland_2.jpg

You can find more in here http://jalopnik.com/5376436/bentley-continental-gtc-wishing-for-sweet-embrace-of-death//gallery?selectedImage=2

[sweetbmxrider]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/giles/bot_093008/attention_whore.jpg

[HeadlessNorseman]

no whale penis leather? awwww man

[Blacdout96]

Hey, Toyota has to make back there money somehow from their horrible F1 attempt :lol:

seriously, this car was supposed o come out to commemorate Toyota's first F1 win.....but since it never happened, they changed the reason for bringing it out. anybody who buys this car is a bigger tool selection then a snap on catalog.

[Jersey Mike]

It's not for the performance enthusiasts; it's target market is that rich guy who wants something to brag about. "Yeahh, it's fast. Expensive too, cost me almost half-a-mil. Less than 500 made 'ya know..."

Those who want performance wouldn't take a second look at this thing.

[LTb1ow]

It just needs an LT1. Then I'd buy it.

[racerx520]

not a huge huge fan of lexus IMO.
i'd like to see a quarter mile of the LFA vs the ZR1. from what i understand the ZR1 was pretty much owning the competition past a couple ferraris and lambo's

[Tsar]

not a huge huge fan of lexus IMO.
i'd like to see a quarter mile of the LFA vs the ZR1. from what i understand the ZR1 was pretty much owning the competition past a couple ferraris and lambo's

Have you ever thought about the fact that not everyone gives a damn if they have the fastest car in 1/4 mile out there? Hell, I would take Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione over ZR1... and yes I know my car would be slower in the 1/4 mile. Would I give a damn? Not at all.

[GP99GT]

i think its quite sexy, and i like the sound too, call me crazy...wouldnt pay $400k for ANY car though

[sweetbmxrider]

i think its quite sexy, and i like the sound too, call me crazy...wouldnt pay $400k for ANY car though

even for the whale penis truck? that would be a steal!!!! :shock:

[Tsar]

Yea that's like 74% savings on the whale penis truck! wooo :lol:

[HeadlessNorseman]

i want whale penis leather :-P

[Tsar]

i want penis :-P

Not something you should be admitting :mrgreen:

[HeadlessNorseman]

Not something you should be admitting :mrgreen:

hey i mean...its the 'thing' now isnt it?

[MyFirstZ]

For a lexus i like it, alot.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

That cars bad!!!!...dont think there kidding

[qwikz28]

they lose money on all 500 cars they sell. it isn't meant to be a gtr or zr1 fighter, it is a novel and unique offering which people will buy simply for rarity

[enRo]

Sounds sexy... whats the MPG? :lol:

[BurninrubberGT]

its a street version of their f1 team lmfao

[NastyEllEssWon]

i like it. its its lack of relevence in the real world that gives it its appeal. the fact that everyone in here doesnt like it makes me like it more :nod: the car is loud, low, fast and stupid in every category.....i love it





edit: as for tsars comment i agree. i think the 8C competizione A/R are one of the sexiest cars in the world. especially the drop top

[Savage_Messiah]

i like it. its its lack of relevence in the real world that gives it its appeal. the fact that everyone in here doesnt like it makes me like it more :nod: the car is loud, low, fast and stupid in every category.....i love it





edit: as for tsars comment i agree. i think the 8C competizione A/R are one of the sexiest cars in the world. especially the drop top



easily explains why you like it :D

[racerx520]

Have you ever thought about the fact that not everyone gives a damn if they have the fastest car in 1/4 mile out there? Hell, I would take Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione over ZR1... and yes I know my car would be slower in the 1/4 mile. Would I give a damn? Not at all.

i know not everyone gives a damn about quarter mile times, BUT obviously they made it to be some sort of race car...its in 24 hr races, its got a 'high revving v10'. thats like saying 'yeah, i really wanted to buy a lambo cuz the rims are SIIICCCCKKKKK'

and then maybe not quarter, then do a circle track, i dont care, just race the damn car against other cars! geez its a damn race car, corvette didnt make their cars to be luxury, they made it to go fast, bentley's are made for luxury, rolls royces are made for luxury, not some tiny sardine can with a v10 strapped on the back

[NastyEllEssWon]

the point is that those people that can afford a 400k dollar car would probably buy a ferrari if they wanted an all out stripped down race car...they probably already own one....this cars exactly the reason you said. all the high end luxary cars aren't ''race cars.'' this cars for the people that get tired of sitting on their rock hard ferrari seats with no forgiveness

[WildBillyT]

the point is that those people that can afford a 400k dollar car would probably buy a ferrari if they wanted an all out stripped down race car...they probably already own one....this cars exactly the reason you said. all the high end luxary cars aren't ''race cars.'' this cars for the people that get tired of sitting on their rock hard ferrari seats with no forgiveness

I've been in a number of Ferraris and they were certainly not stripped down uncomfortable race cars. Which are you talking about?

[racerx520]

the point is that those people that can afford a 400k dollar car would probably buy a ferrari if they wanted an all out stripped down race car...they probably already own one....this cars exactly the reason you said. all the high end luxary cars aren't ''race cars.'' this cars for the people that get tired of sitting on their rock hard ferrari seats with no forgiveness

i see your point, i do understand that its supposed to be the best of both worlds. im not saying i want every joe shmoe who has a LFA to go to their local drag strip and race it, or race it anywhere else. all im simply saying is i'd like to see it in some comparisons against other cars in or around its class. like in a magazine or something to that effect. i said the ZR1, primarily cuz i am a fan of America, therefore i love American cars. if i didnt i wouldnt be on this site, i'd be on a civic tuner site talking about how loud i can get my fart can on my s.i. civic lol. im not here to say that the LFA is crap, obviously its not, its proving itself, i just merely would like to read about it somewhere with specs and comparisons in slaloms, drag, ect. against other cars.
if i really wanted to put it down, by saying i'd want it to race another car, i'd say go against the bugatti veyron. im not putting it down or trying to say race it so that it loses, the ZR1 is around 100k, try comparing that.
just like when car and driver compared the hyundai genesis coupe vs. the infinity G37

[NastyEllEssWon]

im not good with my ferrari models so ill have to get back to you with what models im speaking of....but i do know that i have read that some ferraris come with windows that dont even roll down and are very thin on features.



edit: i cant tell any of the ferraris apart really

[Blacdout96]

im not good with my ferrari models so ill have to get back to you with what models im speaking of....but i do know that i have read that some ferraris come with windows that dont even roll down and are very thin on features.



edit: i cant tell any of the ferraris apart really

I believe that was the F40, and the doors were very thin, and to close them, there was a rope you pulled....on a car that fetched close to a million by the time it ceased production!!

[WildBillyT]

Well, the F40 and Enzo are far from the 360 Modena and some of the "Normal" Ferraris.

[Mike]

early f40s had plexi windows with a sliding opening, and later ones had manual glass windows....they all had kevlar one piece seats, and they did use "cables" to operate the door latches

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah, the F40 was a true supercar, no doubt about it. On some, the paint is so thin, you can see the carbon fiber showing.
Twin turbo V8 sharing the same space you are, not cut off like in modern cars.
True 6spd manual trans with the Ferrari gated shifter.
I would love to drive one...really would.


But a modern Ferrari? The 599 GTB Fiorano is probably the best Ferrari made to day, even eclipsing the Enzo.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1XknPAfZhcs/SF0XyWH5X9I/AAAAAAAABig/6G73LrTQIvw/s400/Ferrari%2B599%2BGTB%2BFiorano%2Binterior.jpg

http://www.sportscarcup.com/cars/ferrari-599-gtb-fiorano-racing.jpg

Stats on the 599 GTB

6.0 V12 making 611hp and 488ftlbs of torque. This car was the first vehicle to use the GM-Delphi Magnetic shock system for performance application, opening the door for the system used in the ZR1 and the Audi TT.
(Corvette and some Caddys have had it for a while, but was more of a ride enhancing mode, but was never deemed capable of handling the stress of a race situation)
They have a HGTE package released this year enhances an already amazing super car.
Its base price is 309k, but that is without the optional Carbon Ceramic brakes, but even with it loaded with the HGTE package which gets you the CC brakes, upgraded suspension, comes in at under 370k.
It is my #1 dream car as of right now.

[Tsar]

As far as Ferrari's go, the track versions of 360 would be 360 Challenge or more extreme would be GT, and F430 is also challenge, but I guess a more manageable street version would be the Scuderia. I believe both of those come pretty stripped down...

[Tsar]

It is my #1 dream car as of right now.

Waaait, that can't be true! I thought your dream car was a Camaro?! :mrgreen:

[BigAls87Z28]

Dream Car is the 599 GTB by a large margin. Waiting list is 3 years long now.
Ill take a Camaro in the mean time...

[bubba428]

the people that are going to buy this are Jay Leno, and other SERIOUS car collectors, a few celebrities, and a few Toyota fan boys with WAY too much money, and will crash it. I doubt its made to be serious competition in the supercar. I'm wiling to bet that for a V10 its under powered. I wanna know why they don't have HP #s, 1/4 mile times, and lap times from "the ring". Nissan was balls out after corvettes. why aren't they making claims?

[Blacdout96]

the people that are going to buy this are Jay Leno, and other SERIOUS car collectors, a few celebrities, and a few Toyota fan boys with WAY too much money, and will crash it. I doubt its made to be serious competition in the supercar. I'm wiling to bet that for a V10 its under powered. I wanna know why they don't have HP #s, 1/4 mile times, and lap times from "the ring". Nissan was balls out after corvettes. why aren't they making claims?

Because as I said before, it was supposed to celebrate their F1 return and first win...but that win never happened. thats why the V10 screams, it's to replicate a Formula 1 note, thats why it was debuted as an endurance racer instead of a production car turned into endurance racecar, they wanted to show it has race car roots....

When I went to Monteray two years ago, they had it's concept vehicle out there in it's polished aluminum body, and was dead sexy, but the $400,000 was not mentioned, it was actually suppposed to be around $250,000 when they were planning on making it.

[jims69camaro]

I hate toyota.

you could have stopped there.

certainly doesnt look like a car that should be worth any more than 80 or 90 thousand.

well, you could have added that without negating the first statement.


Lexus LF-A: A $400,000 Joke?
yes. :mrgreen:

[jims69camaro]

why aren't they making claims?

really simple answer? because they can't. they tried to go up against one of the fastest production cars in the world, with a healthy race legacy, and they either failed or just grabbed their football and went home to avoid looking like a failure.

[Blacdout96]

Someone said they cloced an unofficial time of 7:24 around the ring... once again, that's unofficial, they don't want to produce numbers that say why pay 4X's the amount for a ZR1 and have a car that can achieve the same numbers....when I can go out and buy 4 ZR1's? :lol: The car is a thing of beauty, no doubt, BUT, it's price is not justafiable for what it is, even if we know the numbers or not.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Someone said they cloced an unofficial time of 7:24 around the ring... once again, that's unofficial, they don't want to produce numbers that say why pay 4X's the amount for a ZR1 and have a car that can achieve the same numbers....when I can go out and buy 4 ZR1's? :lol: The car is a thing of beauty, no doubt, BUT, it's price is not justafiable for what it is, even if we know the numbers or not.







to answer once again. the car is being marketed to people that probably own 1 of every other car over 80k :nod: its a good thing that youll never have to ''justify'' the price

[Blacdout96]

its a good thing that youll never have to ''justify'' the price

And what do you exactly mean by that?

[NastyEllEssWon]

cause i said it before.....if you have the money to even CONTEMPLATE buying a 400k dollar lexus, then you probably already own quite a few cars or have the money to purchase multiple high end cars