Another Trans Am Concept - Lingenfelter

[BurninrubberGT]

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/10/lingenfelter-readying-pontiac-trans-am.html




im still not sold on these things, the fact that it will always be a camaro, but IMO this is the best looking concept so far

[FlyingDutchman]

:horse:

[BlackTopKing]

Now see I like that look better then the one kevin morgan did...altho he also had pics of the same yearing style...I just didnt like that the Trans Am Reviled was a Camaro with a Nose and Hood....

Sorry I love the birds and for better or worse want a Trans Am Concept, be a concept not a Clone...

Bad enough the Camaro is a Cady...Either way I like and dislike features....and maybe I am a Jealous TA fan who wont get his 2010 TA.....

Sigh*

just my 2c

[Saitin]

let it go out in glory and stop it with this bullsh1t about ricer body kits, yeah ricer is what your doing to the new maro ricers put body kits on there cars not us....

[BigAls87Z28]

First off, Pontiac is dead, and this has nothing to do with GM.
Second of all, it always was a Camaro. It might have had different engines, but it shared a frame, suspension and other such technology with the Camaro.
Stop treating it as if it was its own car, and stop treating it as it was some sort of out of this world car. BS like this is what made people belive that the GTO was this monster muscle car that would run 10's all day, when in fact itw as just another Pontiac with a big motor.


Now see I like that look better then the one kevin morgan did...altho he also had pics of the same yearing style...I just didnt like that the Trans Am Reviled was a Camaro with a Nose and Hood....

Sorry I love the birds and for better or worse want a Trans Am Concept, be a concept not a Clone...

Bad enough the Camaro is a Cady...Either way I like and dislike features....and maybe I am a Jealous TA fan who wont get his 2010 TA.....

Sigh*

just my 2c

Camaro is a Caddy? Outside of sharing GM's direct injected V6, there is nothing related between the Camaro and any Caddy outside of the obvious, you know...4 wheels, doors, windows, steering wheel,
The 3.6 Direct Injection motor is also found in:
2009+ Buick Enclave
2010+ Buick LaCrosse
2009+ Chevy Traverse
2009+ GMC Acadia
2009 Saturn Outlook
It will become a staple of for GM V6's, as will with its little 3.0 brother that is
found in several new GM vehicles.

let it go out in glory and stop it with this bullsh1t about ricer body kits, yeah ricer is what your doing to the new maro ricers put body kits on there cars not us....

Agreed on the first part, but body kits are for ricers?
I dont want to point out the obvious, but your average Trans Am is decked out with a high rise wing, ram air scooped hood, holes, vents and other orphases to make a Civic hatchback owner blush.
If you follow the 4th gen idea, the Trans Am is just a Camaro, with a ricer version of the Camaro.
Bigger wing, larger scoops, massive vents...but didnt go any faster then a Camaro.

[racerx520]

if i had a disposable bank account i'd buy it.
and yeah, firebirds/trans ams were basically camaros, they DID have the same motor, same chassis, basically same suspension (in most of them atleast) BUT in almost all cases the firebirds/trans ams had better interior and i think better styling, IMO. thats me, ive been in a few camaro's before, (third and fourth gen atleast) and i felt kinda like in a cavalier with a v8, in most atleast.

but back on topic, it is kinda crappy that it'll just be a camaro with a body kit, that blows, but that big motor would make up for that i think.

[Savage_Messiah]

if i had a disposable bank account i'd buy it.
and yeah, firebirds/trans ams were basically camaros, they DID have the same motor, same chassis, basically same suspension (in most of them atleast) BUT in almost all cases the firebirds/trans ams had better interior and i think better styling, IMO. thats me, ive been in a few camaro's before, (third and fourth gen atleast) and i felt kinda like in a cavalier with a v8, in most atleast.

but back on topic, it is kinda crappy that it'll just be a camaro with a body kit, that blows, but that big motor would make up for that i think.

by being off topic you adimited that firebirds/trans ams have always been just camaros with body kits

[Blacdout96]

Ladies of the Tokyo Motor Show was vvveeerrryyy imformative for me :D

[BurninrubberGT]

First off, Pontiac is dead, and this has nothing to do with GM.
Second of all, it always was a Camaro. It might have had different engines, but it shared a frame, suspension and other such technology with the Camaro.
Stop treating it as if it was its own car, and stop treating it as it was some sort of out of this world car. BS like this is what made people belive that the GTO was this monster muscle car that would run 10's all day, when in fact itw as just another Pontiac with a big motor

someone obviously has something against firebirds :rofl:

[Frosty]

All of these "concepts" fail...it's still a Camaro...always will be. People need to just let the Trans Am die...just...let....it....go....

[wretched73]

I am so tired of these threads. Can we make posting about a new "firebird" against the rules?

[Savage_Messiah]

I am so tired of these threads. Can we make posting about a new "firebird" against the rules?
:werddance:

[Masonite]

:horse:

+1

enough already

[racerx520]

all us pontiac fans are all just gonna miss the firebirds. and this bird would be the true camaro with a bodykit. i mean yes, theyre the same body and the same motor on most anyway. oh well though, nothin anyone can do about it. camaro guys can be happy that they have the f-body all to themselves now lol.
bastards

[NastyEllEssWon]

all us pontiac fans are all just gonna miss the firebirds. and this bird would be the true camaro with a bodykit. i mean yes, theyre the same body and the same motor on most anyway. oh well though, nothin anyone can do about it. camaro guys can be happy that they have the f-body all to themselves now lol.
bastards






true f-body died in 02. z bodys

[Tru2Chevy]

true f-body died in 02. z bodys

Nope.....2010 Camaro also carries the F designation.

- Justin

[JL8Jeff]

It's actually a little scary that there are so many companies trying to come up with a TA to sell. Will these modified Camaros need to meet EPA certification? If so, the cost will go through the roof. They are basically customs or kit cars. How do they get insured, as a Camaro since that is what the VIN will say?

[racerx520]

registration and insurance will probably still be listed as a camaro cuz its VIN goes back to that car. it'll be interesting when they get pulled over with (that is if they make the car) a camaro dressed like a firebird and the cop runs the registrationa and insurance lol.

[Mike]

a civic with a body kit = civic

a camaro with a body kit = camaro

[Tsar]

It's actually a little scary that there are so many companies trying to come up with a TA to sell. Will these modified Camaros need to meet EPA certification? If so, the cost will go through the roof. They are basically customs or kit cars. How do they get insured, as a Camaro since that is what the VIN will say?

Really? Seriously? If someone slaps a Ferrari body kit on a Fiero, does it become a Ferrari?

Please facepalm yourself.

Thank you,

[Untamed]

The tail lights on this one are far better than what Kevin Morgan came up with.

Those of you who are tired of TA / Firebird threads, ignore them, but do NOT shut them down. Those of us who enjoy the Firebird (still) and enjoy seeing something new and creative come up, will continue to make threads about it, comment on it, and hunt for more. This is an FBODY board... with threads like these that make a helluva lot more sense than most of the crap that gets posted here.

Thus endeth the lesson.

[Frosty]

I've owned now 4 Trans Ams so I can pretty much say I'm a Firebird lover. The reason these things get tiresome is because it's NOT a Firebird and never will be. The car is dead, let it die a peaceful death. :lol:

[NastyEllEssWon]

so can anyone tell me exactly what magical special process happens at the GM plants in the past that turns a ''body kitted camaro'' into a firebird???

[Frosty]

Nothing is magically done aside from one car is an actual Camaro and one is an actual Firebird, go look at any Camaro VIN from 67-02 and do the same for the Firebird.

Now go look at the VIN from a '10 Camaro and at the VIN from one of these kits. Hmmmmmm...ironically both will be Camaros.....

/thread

The fact is the car is a fake, I'm going to compare it to taking a regular GN and trying to pass it off as a GNX. At the end of the day it's still Camaro...the people that buy these Firebird conversions are nothing more than posers.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Nothing is magically done aside from one car is an actual Camaro and one is an actual Firebird, go look at any Camaro VIN from 67-02 and do the same for the Firebird.

Now go look at the VIN from a '10 Camaro and at the VIN from one of these kits. Hmmmmmm...ironically both will be Camaros.....

/thread

The fact is the car is a fake, I'm going to compare it to taking a regular GN and trying to pass it off as a GNX. At the end of the day it's still Camaro...the people that buy these Firebird conversions are nothing more than posers.



or people just trying to buy something that gm shouldve offered in the first place.



as for fake. If they pay for the TRANS AM name then how much more faker is it than a Firebird TRANS AM. NOT ONCE HAVE I SEEN THE WORD FIREBIRD MENTIONED IN THE CONVERSIONS! it may not be a Firebird Trans Am, but as long as they pay the Royalties it is a Trans Am.


are you gonna say the Dodge Daytona Iroc doesnt exist or its fake because it carries the same Race Designation as the Camaro Iroc???? Same difference. this on is just a Camaro TRANS AM. not a Firebird :lol:

[Frosty]

You're splitting hairs. The Trans Am title has been with Firebird for how long? They're going for the look on what a Firebird Trans Am would've been if GM offered it. Like I said, people need to let the legend die.

BTW your analogy for the Daytona makes no sense. The Iroc is a Camaro just like a Z28 is, just like a RS is.

So will those kits say Camaro Trans Am? No, it's not going to say that unless I missed it.

BTW, are the kits that take Fieros and make them look like other cars cool? At the end of the day that car is still a Fiero, not a Lambo or any other car it's trying to look like.

[NastyEllEssWon]

You're splitting hairs. The Trans Am title has been with Firebird for how long? They're going for the look on what a Firebird Trans Am would've been if GM offered it. Like I said, people need to let the legend die.

BTW your analogy for the Daytona makes no sense. The Iroc is a Camaro just like a Z28 is, just like a RS is.

So will those kits say Camaro Trans Am? No, it's not going to say that unless I missed it.

BTW, are the kits that take Fieros and make them look like other cars cool? At the end of the day that car is still a Fiero, not a Lambo or any other car it's trying to look like.




Iroc is also a Dodge daytona.

http://www.stangbangers.com/93_DodgeDaytonaIROC-RT_Article1a.jpg











edit: also nowhere on any of the ''trans am'' kits have i seen it say ''firebird''. in the end its just a camaro with a body kit.....which in the end....is all a firebird ever was anyway

[Frosty]

I'm well aware of the Iroc name on the Daytona(total junk too lol). My point is that your analogy makes no sense because that the Daytona Iroc wasn't a kit car. It was its own car. The Trans Am BS that companies are coming up with is a kit on top of a Camaro. While the Trans Am name isn't an actual stand alone model it's been with the Firebird, the Trans Am being on a Camaro is like putting the GNX plate on a Hon-duh Civic.

So will these owners go around saying they have a Camaro Trans Am? No, they'll say they have a Tran Am. When you've talked to Firebird Trans Am owners have you EVER hard they say "yeah, I own an 89 Firebird Trans Am"? Of course not, they say they have a Trans Am. You're right on a technicality but these "kits" are trying to revive the dead Firebird and you know it, lol. Hence me saying let it die...just let it die.

[BlackTopKing]

Ok, i simply said that- I dont like the ideal of a Trans Am Concept being a Clone and that if some one is going to do it...Then make the car its own and do it right...

A G35 has R32 parts but you cant call it a Skyline!

Yes Camaro and Firebirds/Trans Am share alot of the same (frames, ect) and are almost the same, But they are not 100%.

Expecially with the look of the Cars. Which was the TOPIC of the Thread and the Concept... the look, not the parts...
Either was its GM, of course the parts are same....

but a 3rd gen camaro dont look like a 3rd gen TRANS AM altho I could sway tons of the car, each is thier own.

And I agree with the above post - a Feiro is not a lambo...no matter what you do to dress it up.

To ME a Trans Am is not a Carmaro...no matter what you do to dress it up.

It just seems lame to me, could of at least put dual headlights and Try...

Plus, yes T/A's will never be made again, but they are not dead...mine still starts.

[LTb1ow]

Pontiac = dead.

TA/firebird = dead.

This thread = dead.

[Frosty]

You=teh grim reaper of threads. :D

[Mike]

people cry foul when you put ws.6 badges on a non ws.6, people cry foul when you put SS badges on a non SS, people cry foul when slp names their g8 a "firehawk".

but people like this? and call themselves purists? how much more lame can a camaro trans am be?

[bubba428]

I agree with mike, its just retarded...as much as I'd love to see GM bring back the T/A it isn't going to happen. making these kits is basically like propping up the corpse and parading it around in some kind of sadistic buffalo bill kinda way. just because it wears the skin doesn't make it a T/A. it's a perverse camaro

[NastyEllEssWon]

I agree with mike, its just retarded...as much as I'd love to see GM bring back the T/A it isn't going to happen. making these kits is basically like propping up the corpse and parading it around in some kind of sadistic buffalo bill kinda way. just because it wears the skin doesn't make it a T/A. it's a perverse camaro









so no one answered my question.


At what point on the assembly line when the fbody rolled down the line did they magically sprinkle on the firebird dust??? is it really that big of a deal that its a CAMARO TRANS AM. What about the GTO...isnt that really just a monaro with a Pontiac badge???? What about your malibu/impala (impal-ibu)...isnt that really just a throwaway gm fwd car with an Iconic name plate slapped on?? What about the Monte Carlo....


the list goes on. my point being. most of gm's products are just rebadges of an iconic nameplate anyway....why not do it with a Camaro.


hell if you really wanna get serious about it. the Camaro isnt a Camaro. Its just another cookie cutter car in gm's lineup.

[bubba428]

cookie cutter cars are more easily produced at a higher profit, thus keeping alive the company to produce a few excellent vehicles for the people that care about more than A-B. Yes the Camaro and Firebird were the same engine and suspension and chassis from 82-02. the difference is the body parts, and the fact that they cam from GM for the purpose of being a firebird. 69-81 they had different engines and options based on what sub-model. Its the principle of it. Its the fact that GM DID NOT make a firebird and some nuthugger is going to use the same mentality you have to justify taking apart a camaro to put a body kit to make it look like a car that was an icon of American muscle. I feel the same way about the abomination as a vintage Ferrari owner feels about a Fiero with a body kit...its just NOT right

[Blacdout96]

I like it, if I had money to burn, I'd buy that. I could care less what people would want to call it, as long as it looks and performs good while going down the road, who are we to judge it. give this car 5 years, and there will be just about every type of body kit on ebay and in magazines for these cars. Were in an age where if it didn't come from the factory, we can personally change the car's whole appearance with about $1,000, but at least these companies coming out with these cars are doing it in a way to not mock or humiliate the Camaro/ Firebird image, rather they are paying respects ( while trying to make money off of it) even if some of the workmanship is poor, take the taillights of the bandit looking one for instance. Pontiac is dead, but people do feel this plateform is a good way to bring back iconic bodystyles people grew up with as kids, with a modern twist, just like the Ford GT40, just like the Thunderbird, retro styles are in because it's reminsent of childhood cars people wish they could own, but due to things like the internet and Barret Jackson, theres no such thing as a steal of a deal when finding a muscle or classic car anymore, so why not go with a car thats new, the interior, motor, chassis, everything is new, and under warrenty.

[NastyEllEssWon]

so i have a question then. if GM sanctions an aftermarket company to make an ''official'' Trans Am kit and makes it dealer available then its ok??? thats pretty much what the ''ss'' was in the 4th gen years :nod:



also by this mentality some of the original ''one offs'' dont count and are rice? the firehawk must be fake cause its not a gm product. the aeroform convertibles must be fake. no ones saying it makes it a ''firebird'' but as long as they pay the royalties then it can be a ''Trans Am.''



even if gm did make a firebird now all it would be is just a ''body kitted camaro''

[enRo]

Id rock that in a heartbeat, camaro w/body kit or not.

[firebirdcrazy]

I saw this before just didnt like that front end. Its still nice to look at. I dont understand the complete jerks in here who just keep putting people down who like it. Or post nonsense like why is there another Trans AM concept post. This is a forum you can post what you want and you can choose to post on it, or not read it. I quite frankly have had enough of this nonsense and you either need to grow up or get out. This continues I will no longer be a member here myself. Enough is enough with the disrespect. People who seem to just want to feel 7 ft tall and trash someone here. Monitors arent you suppose to do something about people like this? This is suppose to be a site with the love of Fbodies Firebird or camaro, and suppose to help each other in the understanding of them, compliment the other on his work, or help each other fixing them. The firebird will never die as long as people who love them are around so that needs to be accepted. Constructive criticism is different from putting someone down. Morons who put someone down due to there spelling just for fun on this site or because they made a mistake on something is just wrong. I have had enough of it. Keep your sly comments to yourself if you have nothing good to say. better yet get lost!!

[Frosty]

You have the same option of not reading the posts you don't agree with. I wasn't ragging on the person that posted the link, I was more or less trashing another custom kit by saying let the car die. No one is a moron, no one is stupid for giving their opinion(well, except for Nasty lol j/k).

Just like you said in your post, this is a forum you can post what you want and you can choose not to read it. The door swings both ways.

***Edited to make Mike happy :D

[Mike]

"A concept vehicle or show vehicle is a car prototype made to showcase a concept, new styling, technology and more. They are often shown at motor shows to gauge customer reaction to new and radical designs which may or may not have a chance of being produced."


stop calling it a "concept", its a "custom"

[firebirdcrazy]

The tail lights on this one are far better than what Kevin Morgan came up with.

Those of you who are tired of TA / Firebird threads, ignore them, but do NOT shut them down. Those of us who enjoy the Firebird (still) and enjoy seeing something new and creative come up, will continue to make threads about it, comment on it, and hunt for more. This is an FBODY board... with threads like these that make a helluva lot more sense than most of the crap that gets posted here.

Thus endeth the lesson.

I am with you on this.

[firebirdcrazy]

Many vehicles shared platforms. The Camaro and Firebird both were released in 67. And here is a quote from the firebird archives "What gave the first Firebird its personality was beneath the hood. Pontiac built its own engines then (as did Buick, Oldsmobile, Cadillac and Chevrolet), and only Pontiac engines went into the Firebird — not a one was shared with the Camaro"

[Mike]

Many vehicles shared platforms. The Camaro and Firebird both were released in 67. And here is a quote from the firebird archives "What gave the first Firebird its personality was beneath the hood. Pontiac built its own engines then (as did Buick, Oldsmobile, Cadillac and Chevrolet), and only Pontiac engines went into the Firebird — not a one was shared with the Camaro"

except for the last 20ish years of production.....

[NastyEllEssWon]

so if you look at history in itself and look at the evolution of the Trans Am this is pretty much the natural progression for it.




First and Second gen - own model on same platform
Third and Fourth - Camaro in fancy clothing
Fifth - Camaro with body kit



:nod:



edit: since its introduction the firebird/trans am has been continuously diminishing in terms of what makes it so. this is only fitting.

[BlackTopKing]

I saw this before just didnt like that front end. Its still nice to look at. I dont understand the complete jerks in here who just keep putting people down who like it. Or post nonsense like why is there another Trans AM concept post. This is a forum you can post what you want and you can choose to post on it, or not read it. I quite frankly have had enough of this nonsense and you either need to grow up or get out. This continues I will no longer be a member here myself. Enough is enough with the disrespect. People who seem to just want to feel 7 ft tall and trash someone here. Monitors arent you suppose to do something about people like this? This is suppose to be a site with the love of Fbodies Firebird or camaro, and suppose to help each other in the understanding of them, compliment the other on his work, or help each other fixing them. The firebird will never die as long as people who love them are around so that needs to be accepted. Constructive criticism is different from putting someone down. Morons who put someone down due to there spelling just for fun on this site or because they made a mistake on something is just wrong. I have had enough of it. Keep your sly comments to yourself if you have nothing good to say. better yet get lost!!

Very Much Agree and Altho I dont post alot I do vist the site and read almost everyday and have seen this a couple of times more then I would like.

[firebirdcrazy]

so if you look at history in itself and look at the evolution of the Trans Am this is pretty much the natural progression for it.




First and Second gen - own model on same platform
Third and Fourth - Camaro in fancy clothing
Fifth - Camaro with body kit



:nod:



edit: since its introduction the firebird/trans am has been continuously diminishing in terms of what makes it so. this is only fitting.


The last years of both the Firebird, and camaro all sold about the same amount of units. Combined only were selling about 60-69,000 units per year. Ford was selling 400,000 units per year on the mustang. Its why they were BOTH retired in the 1st place they werent selling. The Camaro was not any better then the Firebird in sales. Second There were plenty of differences in the firebird in the 80's. What Camaro had the Turbo from the factory? Even our 4th gen cars you cant confuse a bird to a Camaro. To totally different styling cues that shared the same underpinnings. it was a matter of a persons taste of what he wanted. It was the sharing of these platforms which allowed them to stay reasonably priced for us to buy. Its why I bought mine brand new. GM shared platform with many models. Who remembers the Olds Toronado, Buick Riviera, Caddilac Eldorado. All shared the same exact underpinnings since the beginning.

[Mike]

no one is debating the merits or styling cues of the PONTIAC firebird. we are saying the new one is no different than a civic with a wingswest body kit

[FormulaKeith90]

they need to come out with a trans am it would just be bad ass

[Tsar]

they need to come out with a trans am it would just be bad ass
Not again. Please ban yourself.

[BigAls87Z28]

Pontiac is dead, there will be no GM based Trans Am.

[Tsar]

Pontiac is dead, there will be no GM based Trans Am.
You have just crushed people's dreams!

[bubba428]

LIES I heard they're bringin back the Olds 442!!!!...(sarcasm)

[Savage_Messiah]

Only the hurst model though!

[bubba428]

it's gonna have an 8.5 rear with 4 link!!!!

[LS1Hawk]

So there's going to be 3 new 2010 Trans Ams from different companies? Seems a little ridiculous to me.

[LTb1ow]

So there's going to be 3 new 2010 Trans Ams from different companies? Seems a little ridiculous to me.

How so?

There are tons of companys that produce body kits for hondas. Why let hondas have all the fun with mis-fit body kits?

[WildBillyT]

How so?

There are tons of companys that produce body kits for hondas. Why let hondas have all the fun with mis-fit body kits?

Yeah, but they don't all call them the same thing.

[LTb1ow]

Yeah, but they don't all call them the same thing.

Well the holier than you attitude is kinda silly. Its a body kit, albeit expensive body kit.

[WildBillyT]

Well the holier than you attitude is kinda silly. Its a body kit, albeit expensive body kit.

What holier than thou attitude? Among who?

[LTb1ow]

Well you said its not a body kit, but it boils down to a very expensive body kit no?

[WildBillyT]

Well you said its not a body kit, but it boils down to a very expensive body kit no?

Not what I meant!

It is a body kit. But unlike the Hondas, every company is saying that theirs is a Trans Am. It would be like all of the Honda kits being called the "Civic Si" kit even though they were all different.

[BurninrubberGT]

Pontiac is dead, there will be no GM based Trans Am.

bs i want proof


:lol:

[Untamed]

Regardless of Pontiac's demise, I still think the body kits are creative. What it boils down to is, is there really a market for it? Yes there are plenty of Pontiac fans out there who will scream for something like Lingenfelter or Trans Am Depot, but in this economy, and plenty of F-bodies on the market waiting to be bought, will the body kits really sell to justify the expense?

I wouldn't buy one - I couldn't afford it over the cost of the car, and wouldn't want to drive a "lie". But I enjoy seeing other company's creative energies put to use and the results of that process. For that I'd continue to encourage folks on this board to post threads about new TA-concept body kits.

Well, that and I really miss the opportunity to actually purchase a 5th gen TA in the next 2 years. Keep the mock-ups and creative kits coming. 8-)

[Mike]

question, since the guys that like it seem to be the guys on here with family's. does anyone know if these kits are being certified by the dot, htsa, or any other agency that will cover you're interests in an accident?

i know that 99% of the body kits out there aren't exactly legal