Short Block Build Question

[Whoboy580]

Hey I live in National Park, NJ 08063 and i am looking for a place to get a sbc 383 short block build. does anyone know any good places with a fair price?

[S.J.SLEEPER]

where the he\\ is national park. i know of a couple good places but need to know round abouts where you at. tell me a bigger more known city

[Stevoone]

I used Wither's Automotive in Collingswood for my 383. It's an older couple (in there 70's) and it looks like your pulling into someones driveway to get to there shop. I had a few problems with the engine along the way but they were extremely helpful getting everything straightened out.

[Whoboy580]

i am 10 mins from philly, 2 mins from woodbury,15 mins from camdem

[JSPERFORMANCE]

We can build the engine for you.. Price can vary drastically depending in what you want to accomplish and what type of parts are used.. We are located 5 minutes north of Philly.
Check us out on the web of give us a call at 215-783-4645

Thanks

[Whoboy580]

looking for a 383 storker all forged just short block

[JSPERFORMANCE]

"all forged" dosent really narrow it down much..

how much hp are you looking to make?
street? drag? autocross?
what kind of fuel?
nitrous?
forced induction?
what heads are you looking to use?
auto or manual?

We build custom engines per application, if you are looking for just a generic crate engine you may want to try GM.

[Whoboy580]

sorry i am looking to run pump gas, trick flow heads, manual transmission, the top end kit says 500hp, street/strip, nitrous maybe one day 150 shot at max,

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Do you have a core?

[Whoboy580]

no but i perfer 4 bolt main 1 piece rear main seal

[S.J.SLEEPER]

Do you have a core?

js, if he doen't have a core, and you don't i can supply a good core for a cheap price, alum or iron

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Ballpark for a complete 383 short block with the correct parts to handle nitrous and around 660 hp would be around $5500 or so..

[JSPERFORMANCE]

At the time we get started on the build we can narrow down a more exact price but at least this gives you an idea of what you are up against..

[Whoboy580]

I just want short block. Block, freeze plugs,cam bearings,forged crank,forged rods,forged pistons,main bearings, ARP Bolts. how much?

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Maybe I was mistaken.. Do you just want a box full of parts or a complete short block?

[Whoboy580]

a complete short block but 5500 for a shortblock i thought you were trying to sell me everything. this is exact what i want a assembled short block. i will buy heads,intake,oil pan and so on

[JSPERFORMANCE]

If you want to make that kind of power, use nitrous, and want it to last a half decent amount of time, the correct parts need to be used. Also consider the machine work plus the added clearancing for the 383. We are no longer talking about a 350 horse engine anymore. Gotta pay to play..

[Whoboy580]

i got a quote for 2100.00 by D&S in Camden. Talked to Dan For awhile about what i wanted

[S.J.SLEEPER]

i got a quote for 2100.00 by D&S in Camden. Talked to Dan For awhile about what i wanted

thats just what the stroker kit & parts cost (pistons,rods,crank,lifters,bearings,roller tchain,)

a good rotating assembly starts @ $1200.

i think you better talk with that guy again and see what your exactly gettting for $2100

the machine work alone is close to $900-$1000

[JSPERFORMANCE]

I was thinking the same thing..

I had figured on a 4130 crank, JE pistons, Compstar rods, Silicon bearings, moly rings, Core charge, dampner, flywheel..

Parts alone were over $2500 before I got into the small stuff (freeze plugs, rear main, etc. etc)

[Whoboy580]

i did its for block,machine work,rotating kit, and assembly. It also comes balanced and everything. He builds racing motors all the time and is super chevy magazine and also known as GN man

[LTb1ow]

And for 2100... what kind of parts are you getting? Some sweet eagle parts?

[S.J.SLEEPER]

And for 2100... what kind of parts are you getting? Some sweet eagle parts?

ah... don't start messin with him.

i honestly think that he has misunderstood the builder.

even an eagle rotating assembly for a 383 is $900+

then you still need t-chain,lifters,freeze plugs, valley vents,
misc. gaskets, cam if he is having it installed.

torquplated,align honed,bored, decked, clearancing for the stroker machine work is $750 @ a rinky dink machine shop & $1000 @ a reputable shop that knows what they're doin.

just doesn't add up any which way you look at it.

he needs to confirm and get what he's quoted on paper

[JSPERFORMANCE]

I know who Dan Smith is.. Excellent builder.
Good parts cost what they cost, even if he was giving them to you at cost and doing the labor for free the total would be more than $2100. The only way it could be cheaper is if the engine was gonna be built with cheaper stuff most likely chinese knock off parts.

[Whoboy580]

scat

[S.J.SLEEPER]

Yea, didn't want to bring the asians into this.
i was givin some chet about racism in another thread by mods.

is this josh? if it is must be on a laptop and i hope you get better soon man. been there done that, nothin like being the type of person that is always go-go-go and have to be restrained/bed ridden. f*** man, makes me shiver when i think about my past.
good luck.

[S.J.SLEEPER]

SCAT Engine Components 1-40860BI - Scat Engine Rotating Assemblies


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383 kit via summit (forged pistons,crank,hrods & bearings parts only)

$1,863.95

[JSPERFORMANCE]

SjS-Yes its me, just had surgery, gotta work to pay for it now...

Who-Hey, if you are satisfied that the engine will be what you want then what are you doing on here? For that price for a 650hp nitrous ready 383 you should be running to cram your money in! Keep us updated on your project..

[Whoboy580]

i talked to dan and thats what i was told only thing is i am keeping i beam rods instead of getting h beam rods

[S.J.SLEEPER]

i talked to dan and thats what i was told only thing is i am keeping i beam rods instead of getting h beam rods

ok, then the rotating assembly is $1699.00

that leaves you $400 for tchain kit,gaskets,lifters, & blockwork...

I'm tellin ya dude you need to call him and go over this again with him. there is no way.
if he is discounting the parts than the parts can be $2100 and thats cost on the parts. that means he is making nothing on parts or labor.

call him tomorow get a written quote than come back to the board.

[Whoboy580]

I know it doesn't come with lifters,rockers,cam,and all that other stuff. I just the block, and the bottom end with cam bearings installed and freeze plugs.

[Whoboy580]

http://www.mandrengines.com/store/images/Short%20Block%2012.jpg
This is all i am looking for.

[Whoboy580]

sorry for the large picture

[S.J.SLEEPER]

if you want just the rotating assembly & machine work done. then maybe josh can do something for you. if thats all you want.

what yousay josh? a $1600 rotating assy, and $500 for the machine work? kind o cheap.

[SteveR]

For that price, it's either not what he's saying it is, or used. $2100 is like a cheap rebuild to factory specs.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

I doubt that I can do anything here.. Seems to already have an idea there is no way I can change it now..

[Slow Z]

cnc-motorsports.com has some really nice rotating assembly kits for great prices. I paid like $1070 for mine... Scat 9000 crank, SRP forged flat tops, Scat 4340 I-beams with good bolts, H-series bearings, Total Seal plasma file-fit rings.

Almost 2 years strong with this assembly spraying the crap out of it on a regular basis.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Scat 9000 is a cast crank.. he says he wants a forged crank.

[RamAir95TA]

I had my 383 built by Gil Davis Racing Engines in West Chester and it cost me $3800 for the short-block alone, and I supplied the pistons and rods.

For $2100, something is awry. Take it from the people who know something about it.

[sweetbmxrider]

i am looking to pay $2100 for my rotating assembly. it is a callies compstar kit and should handle anything i can muster up. you should get a list of parts with #'s and post them up, something is not right.

[S.J.SLEEPER]

it seems like evryone else here agrees w/ me & js.
so you better see what your gettin for that $2100

[Slow Z]

Scat 9000 is a cast crank.. he says he wants a forged crank.

I know, I'm just sayin'. Let me do some math here...

I already had a block that needed boring/honing with a plate, new cam bearings, all the other basic rebuild stuff along with balancing and assembly it cost me $980. So thats $2050 right there keeping in mind that the person I had assemble it is not that "big" so he doesn't charge as much as the "reputable" shops do around here... So if he can get a fully forged rotating assembly + a block + all the machining/assembly for only $50 more something is definitely weird.

The only way I can see a shop selling something like that for $2100 is if a customer brought them a bunch of parts, had them machine/assemble everything, and then never paid.

[Mike]

I know, I'm just sayin'. Let me do some math here...

I already had a block that needed boring/honing with a plate, new cam bearings, all the other basic rebuild stuff along with balancing and assembly it cost me $980. So thats $2050 right there keeping in mind that the person I had assemble it is not that "big" so he doesn't charge as much as the "reputable" shops do around here... So if he can get a fully forged rotating assembly + a block + all the machining/assembly for only $50 more something is definitely weird.

The only way I can see a shop selling something like that for $2100 is if a customer brought them a bunch of parts, had them machine/assemble everything, and then never paid.

this,

or... its someones motor from this past season, getting "refreshed" and cleaned up and sold to fund a new build