Thoughts on this...

[LTb1ow]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html

Kinda funky that they a) are even making a big deal out of this b) releasing the names of SEAL operatives.

Wtf? :|

[BigRocsFirebird]

hmmm... seems weird

[BigAls87Z28]

Ahahaha...wow, whats next? Court Marshal for killing someone?

[LTb1ow]

Ahahaha...wow, whats next? Court Marshal for killing someone?

Well.. your saying we should try all the soldiers whom ever killed someone in the line of duty?

:shock:

[EODMonkey]

i agree, seals dont usually have their names released, and wtf is this country coming to when they actually consider doing this to people doing their damn job. it makes me absolutely sick. political bs. any good non-extradition countries?

[Z28 Heritage]

This is some Fu*ked up ****. What is U.S. Coming to? we should give these men medals no were going to charge them for a bloody lip WTF.




-Wes

[madness410]

ridiculous..

where are all these terrorists getting rights from

[NastyEllEssWon]

good for em....no ones above the law. i hope they nail the seals to the wall and throw the book at em, dishonorable discharge and 10 years later pushing a shopping cart in the street full of garbage.



there are such things as war crimes fella....we hold ourselves to a higher standard than the enemy...or supposed to.

[LTb1ow]

And oh boy, the neighborhood panzy showed up!

Wooo.

[Z28 Heritage]

And oh boy, the neighborhood panzy showed up!

Wooo.neighborhood panzy who?

[madness410]

are you serious?

ok here..

Neal Puckett, an attorney representing McCabe, told Fox News the SEALs are being charged for allegedly giving the detainee a “punch in the gut.”

versus

Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004.

[BigAls87Z28]

I agree to a point with Nasty. This is just like a cop popping someone in the mouth while in handcuffs.
Difference is, the Blue Shield will keep them from any jail time.

In reality...should have just killed him and just report it on TV. Saved thema lot of time and aggrivation.
I dont understand why Fox would publish the names? WTF is that about?

[madness410]

i honestly dont get how you guys can think that way. i can understand if they tied him up, locked him in a room and tortured him for three weeks or something but a 'punch to the gut'?

people get punched all the time the most theyll get is an assault charge and its usually over nothing..but you want these guys who served our country, put their lives on the line everyday for OUR freedom, went through extensive military training, all just for punching the mastermind behind murdering and mutilating four other usa security guards in iraq.

that and do you really think there hasnt been any worse done over there?

[BigAls87Z28]

If he was asaulted while in custody, which I can only assume he was since this would be a non-issue, then its against the rules of war.

There are rules, and as long as we signed the document, we must follow them.
They will continue to use this against us as long as we follow the rules. Wouldnt be the first time that US troops were tied up over the rules of war.
If he was punched while in a fight, then its a non issue.
If he was assaulted in any way durring his capture where he gave up and surrendured willingly, then we ****ed up and now he will go free.
OJ didnt get sent free because they couldnt find evidence he did it...

[NastyEllEssWon]

thats the price you pay when you DECLARE war. we signed the document to follow a set guidelines of rules for warfare...since we wanted to go to war with them we agreed to play by the rules. since theyre defending themselves against US and have never signed any war documents they dont have to play by the rules.




its all apart of trying to be civilized when resorting to such a primitive form of persuasion.....aka war. its just so we dont get sent back to the dark ages and have another thousand years of human regression.



remember...we attacked them. (dont give me 911 cause that wasnt IRAQ) :wink:

[BigAls87Z28]

Ugh..I hate it when I cant argue with Nasty.

[Z28 Heritage]

Ugh..I hate it when I cant argue with Nasty.Me too:-? lol



-Wes

[sweetbmxrider]

some of you make me sick. i'd personally love to shake each one of their hands and thank them.

[transmaro93]

im not even going to comment on the ridiculousness of this thread. Iv said it before, the cival rights movement was a huge step forward for the American people, but in the last 20 or so years its just gotten out of hand with the political correctness. To the fact that we are going to try terrorists in civilian court and now this. Just ridiculous.

[jts98z28]

this is bs...theres a big difference in a cop punching a civilian and a navy seal punching one of the most wanted terrorists....imo that piece of **** is lucky to still be alive and able to move

[NastyEllEssWon]

Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004.





does anyone know the meaning of the bold word??? like said before...to be eligible to go into another country with destructive force you have to agree to play by the standards of war. if we resort to their tactics does that make us any better than they?

[BigAls87Z28]

Im not saying that I dont agree with what they did.
But like I said, there are rules, and we have to follow those rules. It has nothing to do with civil rights, it has to do with the Rules of War.

We are not trying the terrorists in a civilan court because of "civil rights", but because they comited a crime of murder.
I dont agree with that either. They should be tried as War Criminals, in front of the Hauge, and be done with it. But since they are not an army, but just a bunch of loons, they are like any other loons that would kill a large group of people.
Its not like they are gunna get any special treatment. If anything, the are more ****ed by being tried in NYC then if they were to be tried somewhere else.

If we start to break the rules, if we start to fight outside of the rules of engagement, then we have broken the law, and we can be brought up on war crimes. American troops can be brought to justice, and just like the terrorists that flew planes into the towers and pentagon, they could be hung for something like this.
Just because its us doesnt make it automaticly "good" in what we do.
If we decide to disreguard rules that we expect people to follow when we are at war with them, how does it look if we go ahead and step outside the lines then?
Then WE become terrorists. WE become the bad guys. WE are the ones in the wrong.
I understand fustration, no doubt, but the rules of war are still rules, and they must be followed or you will be in a world of ****. End of story.

[WildBillyT]

Charge them with assualt. That's it. It's a punch, not a sawzall across the chest or a hand into a meat slicer.

[Blacdout96]

But Congress never declared war, so really....this isnt a war.

[BigAls87Z28]

They will be charged with assault of suspect in custody. And thats a courtmarshal.
It sucks, but we have send thousands upon thousands of men to protect the rights of American and the right to freedom everywhere in the world.

Again...they should have killed him. Would have been hero's in a way.
Or since he killed Blackwater guys, maybe they should have dumped them off in thier hands...Blackwater has no rules or civil rights. Its a private enterprize with no oversight. Merc's....

[BigAls87Z28]

But Congress never declared war, so really....this isnt a war.

Eh...I think Congress supported and pushed both. At least Afgan.
Iraq, possibly different. Either way, its war no matter if they declaired it or not. Still rules.

[xrelapse13]

Should have given him up to Blackwater, ****er would have gotten what was coming to him and the SEALS who should be heros wouldnt be dealing with this ********.

[BigAls87Z28]

I still dont understand why Fox published the names of the SEALs. WTF is that about? Thats a big risk..real big.

[sweetbmxrider]

Eh...I think Congress supported and pushed both. At least Afgan.
Iraq, possibly different. Either way, its war no matter if they declaired it or not. Still rules.

you said they were the rules of war right? so even though its not declared a war we have to follow them still?

this overly pc world is destroying itself. get real.

[bubba428]

who's to say that terrorist isn't lying? how many times has this kind of thing been on the news? that would be like a cop writing a ticket and just because the individual was black, crying profiling and getting away with speeding AND causing the cop problems. I call BS, he should be executed the same ways as the blackwater guys

[xrelapse13]

^^in full agreement with him, this political correctness bs goes way to far sometimes. Why should the terrorist be treated with any sort of respect or mercy. His sole purpose is to cause pain and death, why the hell should we show him any kind of compassion or fair treatment? F that

[Frosty]

FoxNews wasn't the first to report the names of the SEALS if I recall correctly. However if I'm wrong about that then shame on FoxNews for reporting that. I know there are certain rules but I wouldn't charge these guys with anything....a punch in the gut...REALLY? Waterboarding is/was legal and a punch deserves charges? I'm telling you right now this is an attempt to smooth over relations with the Middle East and these guys are the scapegoats.

Obviously we have to be careful not to take everything in the article as truth but if it comes out that this detainee was in fact handed over to Iraqi security forces then turned back over to our military how do we know he wasn't roughed up in custody other than our own? I'm sorry but something doesn't make sense.

Our soldiers absolutely have standards they should adhere to or else they're not better than the animals we're fighting....however all those charges over a "punch"? Like I said...these guys are being used as scapegoats.

[BigAls87Z28]

Waterboarding is legal? Since when?

I dont think this has anything to do with smoothing over anything with the middle east. The ones that are agaisnt us are against us, the ones that like us like us.
Nothing has changed in 20 years. We were always uneasy partners with the ME. The Saudi's like us for the money, but remember that they are the most strict and hardcore of the Muslim sects.
Our over the top sins is why they hate us. Having an occupying force in TWO Muslim countires isn't helping either.

I think its time for America to leave the middle east in the hands of the middle east. Why arent the Saudi's putting thousand of troops in Iraq? Dont they care about thier fellow muslims? Why are we in there?
I say the President starts dialog with Syria, Egypt, Saudi, Kuwait, Pakastan, and others to take over our opperation in both Afganistan and Iraq. Its time to let the middle east have a vested interest into the strength of thier region since they obviously dont want to follow our plan.

[madness410]

HAAAA i emailed drinking with bob on youtube and he actually did a story on it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhqKWxBTB_4&feature=sub

his point of view on everything is just like mine..i cant explain it better

[NastyEllEssWon]

i have a feeling that the ''punch in the gut'' was more than just a ''punch in the gut''. remember when guantanamo bay was just ''a few pics''.....

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Coming from someone that's been out there in the fight this is definitely some BS. Being that its seals makes it even worse. They should wear the moniker "the few and proud". The seals exist for missions like this. Easy for some to make opinions when they've never been in.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Coming from someone that's been out there in the fight this is definitely some BS. Being that its seals makes it even worse. They should wear the moniker "the few and proud". The seals exist for missions like this. Easy for some to make opinions when they've never been in.





doesnt matter whos been in or not. these are trained professionals who are trained to keep their emotions and personal feelings in check and remain professional ''while on the clock.'' would it be acceptable if you worked at mcdonalds and went into burger king and they punched you in the gut for wanting a whopper??? :wink:

[Blacdout96]

would it be acceptable if you worked at mcdonalds and went into burger king and they punched you in the gut for wanting a whopper??? :wink:
If I killed their fry cook, and three of their burger preps, yes, I think it's justafiable.

[sweetbmxrider]

doesnt matter whos been in or not. these are trained professionals who are trained to keep their emotions and personal feelings in check and remain professional ''while on the clock.'' would it be acceptable if you worked at mcdonalds and went into burger king and they punched you in the gut for wanting a whopper??? :wink:

completely out of context makes it sound wrong. its more like if you asked for no ketchup and they put ketchup on your ****. you'd almost say, "well ain't that a punch in the gut."

no matter what happens, i am glad its them over there and not you.

[LTb1ow]

completely out of context makes it sound wrong. its more like if you asked for no ketchup and they put ketchup on your ****. you'd almost say, "well ain't that a punch in the gut."

no matter what happens, i am glad its them over there and not you.

What, you mean Nasty having to fight for his freedoms? noooo way, he is more accustomed to whining about them and blaming others. :|

[transmaro93]

what, you mean nasty having to fight for his freedoms? Noooo way, he is more accustomed to whining about them and blaming others. :|

hah!! Burnnnnnnn

[NastyEllEssWon]

What, you mean Nasty having to fight for his freedoms? noooo way, he is more accustomed to whining about them and blaming others. :|







lol i dont blame anyone or whine about nothing. i just think that you people in here have a ''holier than thou'' attitude when it comes to our armed force soldiers and let them slide or act above the law. no one should be above the law or held in a higher regard because they choose to be a programmed slaved of our govt.

[Blacdout96]

lol i dont blame anyone or whine about nothing. i just think that you people in here have a ''holier than thou'' attitude when it comes to our armed force soldiers and let them slide or act above the law. no one should be above the law or held in a higher regard because they choose to be a programmed slaved of our govt.

I would care about them following the rules of war, if they the opposition was an official army that followed the rules as well, but they are militia, and terroists who use guerilla tactics, and disobey the rules, so why should we play fair? We tried the fair approach, and they took out thousands of troops in the most inhumane ways, so why not change it up? I say a kick in the balls was in order as well.

[madness410]

you are comparing people who sacrifice their lives against people who make minimum wage flipping burgers...?

[NastyEllEssWon]

you are comparing people who sacrifice their lives against people who make minimum wage flipping burgers...?







why is there a difference between the two...they just have different jobs. this is where america gets its panties twisted.....Military and Law Enforcement officers are not any different than anyone in america. if they dont want to sacrifice their lives they dont have to sign up for the military. they knew what they were getting themselves into.



anyway this is just a clear cut case of them taking the law into their own hands.


and blackdout...we should have to follow the rules of war because WERE THE ONES THAT WANTED TO GO TO WAR WITH THEM....WE ATTACKED THEM.....not the other way around

[LTb1ow]

why is there a difference between the two...they just have different jobs. this is where america gets its panties twisted.....Military and Law Enforcement officers are not any different than anyone in america. if they dont want to sacrifice their lives they dont have to sign up for the military. they knew what they were getting themselves into.



anyway this is just a clear cut case of them taking the law into their own hands.


and blackdout...we should have to follow the rules of war because WERE THE ONES THAT WANTED TO GO TO WAR WITH THEM....WE ATTACKED THEM.....not the other way around


Wait wait, wasn't 9/11 before our little journey into the ME?

[Blacdout96]

why is there a difference between the two...they just have different jobs. this is where america gets its panties twisted.....Military and Law Enforcement officers are not any different than anyone in america. if they dont want to sacrifice their lives they dont have to sign up for the military. they knew what they were getting themselves into.



anyway this is just a clear cut case of them taking the law into their own hands.


and blackdout...we should have to follow the rules of war because WERE THE ONES THAT WANTED TO GO TO WAR WITH THEM....WE ATTACKED THEM.....not the other way around


Choose the words wisely. We didn't ATTACK them, we attacked the militia's, the terrorists, and the leader of a country, not the civilians, but the civilians seem to of taken our presence as a bad thing and began to ATTACK us. And attacking them is a strong sentence like the word hate, how about trying the words we liberated the civilians, which we attempted to do, and I.M.O., we failed to a point, but we havent given up yet. I was never for this war, but if your gonna argue the war, at least get the words right ;) and sorry, but we were attacked first, on several occasions. You can only poke the dog's eye so many times before he bites your hand back.