View Full Version : questions for nj hangun owners...
procamaroz28
12-11-2009, 07:18 PM
ok this may be some stupid questions but im not too familiar w/ how this works...
i have my nj firearms purchases id which basically allows to purchase rifles and shotguns but im looking to buy a glock 17. so i know i gotta go thru the whole process again to get a permit for that handgun, but how exactly do i do that do i buy first and wait for the id or get the id then buy any one with in the time period??
procamaroz28
12-11-2009, 07:19 PM
thanks for any help i can get!
LTb1ow
12-11-2009, 07:22 PM
Gotta be 21, and then the same deal as the fire arm ID card. Go to police station, fill out paper work, pay fees, and I think you need letters of recommendation.
procamaroz28
12-11-2009, 07:34 PM
yes i do meet the age requirement... but when do i actually purchase? before and wait to pick up??, or after within a certain time period??
1. Go to the police station
2. Ask for paperwork for handgun permit.
3. fill it out and give it back
4. Pay fees
5. Wait until you get old (took me 4 or 5 months)
6. Get fingerprinted.
7. Get your Permit
8. Go to the gun store
9. Show them your permit
10. Play it guns
11. Buy one (within 90 days of receiving your permit)
12. ???
13. Profit.
Anything else?
Gotta be 21, and then the same deal as the fire arm ID card. Go to police station, fill out paper work, pay fees, and I think you need letters of recommendation.
No, this isn't college admissions office, no one wants to read that crap. But they will talk to your neighbors and call your references.
LTb1ow
12-11-2009, 10:03 PM
No, this isn't college admissions office, no one wants to read that crap. But they will talk to your neighbors and call your references.
Yea,my bad meant you need good references to say you are a sane person etc.
procamaroz28
12-11-2009, 10:17 PM
ok, makes sense so gotta buy within 90 days of receiving the permit... thats all i needed to know...
EchoMirage
12-11-2009, 10:51 PM
be prepared to wait anywhere from 1-3 months, and youre now limited to 1 gun a month. you can always put a deposit on whatever gun you want to hold it, then get the paperwork. but paperwork must come first.
procamaroz28
12-12-2009, 12:08 AM
true.. 1 gun a month is fine for me... and how would it work if i want to purchase from budsgunshop.com ???? they say they send the item to a local dealer near me so is everything handled thru the local dealer???
bad64chevelle
12-12-2009, 12:36 AM
if you set it up through a website it needs to go through an FFL or a local dealer. Make sure your local dealer tells you what they want either written on the box, or know approx. when it will be coming in, a way to contact you, etc.
EchoMirage
12-12-2009, 08:09 AM
itll cost extra to do it through FFLs
Z28 Heritage
12-12-2009, 08:22 AM
Off topic kinda but can you own a fully auto AR15 in New Jersey?
be prepared to wait anywhere from 1-3 months, and youre now limited to 1 gun a month. you can always put a deposit on whatever gun you want to hold it, then get the paperwork. but paperwork must come first.
That's kinda a waste, imo. Once you have the paperwork it takes 10 minutes to walk out of the store with a handgun. Or if by some miracle they don't have it, you will have it the next day because they have to overnight it. So I don't really see a point in giving them a deposit. :shrug:
As for buying online. You have to make arrangements with your local FFL. Then buy the gun, and ship it to them. Local FFL will decide on how much they will want to charge you to transfer you the weapon and then you are all done. Usually it's 50ish bucks I think. But it varies.
bad64chevelle
12-12-2009, 09:36 AM
Off topic kinda but can you own a fully auto AR15 in New Jersey?
you cant
DevilDougWS6
12-12-2009, 11:09 AM
actually you CAN own a fully automatic weapon in NJ. BUT you need a class III permit which is hard to obtain, plus I believe you have to pay to hold on to it. It is basically a permit to buy and sell firearms to the public, so you would only need it if you intend to open a shop.
NastyEllEssWon
12-12-2009, 12:26 PM
actually you CAN own a fully automatic weapon in NJ. BUT you need a class III permit which is hard to obtain, plus I believe you have to pay to hold on to it. It is basically a permit to buy and sell firearms to the public, so you would only need it if you intend to open a shop.
i think he meant that the 17 year old kid cant....not just anyone...like kind of YOU cant :wink:
r0nin89
12-12-2009, 02:40 PM
Yeah you need a valid reason to get a class III. Such as a gun shop owner, gunsmith, tactical training facility, something of that sort.
NJ doesnt allow fully auto weapons to typical owners or guns with clips exceeding 20 rounds I believe it is.
PolarBear
12-12-2009, 03:33 PM
What about registering a firearm from another state? Once I get my house in NJ I will have to register my firearm. Anyone know what I will need to do? Then after that I may want to purchase again, do I have to go through all the crap like someone who has never owned a firearm?
r0nin89
12-12-2009, 03:34 PM
What about registering a firearm from another state? Once I get my house in NJ I will have to register my firearm. Anyone know what I will need to do? Then after that I may want to purchase again, do I have to go through all the crap like someone who has never owned a firearm?
Nj is an optional registration state. Technically you dont have to register your firearms if they are brought from another state, purchased in another state, or hand me downs/gifts.
PolarBear
12-12-2009, 04:18 PM
brought from another state, purchased in another state, or hand me downs/gifts.
Thats interesting, so if I want to purchase in NJ I have to get all the permits and whatnot but if I have my grandfather buy something for me in PA I can bring over the state border?
Also if NJ is a reg optional, what is the big deal about having the smaller length barrel and collapsable stock on a weapon like the AR15? What the state doesnt know wont hurt them then? Or does the registration only apply to handguns?
I should "stock uop" before I move back to NJ lol
procamaroz28
12-12-2009, 06:34 PM
i think ar 15's cant have more than a 15 rd clip in nj and 16" barrel tops and no modifications and fixed stock...
and i did hear also if its bought and registered in another state u dont have to reregister in this state...
r0nin89
12-12-2009, 08:21 PM
Thats interesting, so if I want to purchase in NJ I have to get all the permits and whatnot but if I have my grandfather buy something for me in PA I can bring over the state border?
Also if NJ is a reg optional, what is the big deal about having the smaller length barrel and collapsable stock on a weapon like the AR15? What the state doesnt know wont hurt them then? Or does the registration only apply to handguns?
I should "stock uop" before I move back to NJ lol
You still need to be a registered firearms owner in NJ to transport guns and use them on state property like firing ranges and hunting reserves. The collapsible stock is just a dumb NJ rule. And I asked my friend who works at Brick Armory, 10rd mag in a rifle is the limit, 6 in a shotgun, 3 in a hunting weapon, handgun is unlimited I believe.
As far as the "what they dont know wont hurt them" theory, yes basically. Its the same principal as no cats on a car, or no emissions, or building without a permit. Its all fine and dandy until you get caught and when you get caught violating firearms laws they shove it up ur ass good.
Not having cats on your car never killed anyone (unless your al gore or think like him) but a 30rd mag may very well kill 20 more people than had to die at the hands of sum nut job is the thinking behind it.
procamaroz28
12-12-2009, 10:40 PM
Y10rd mag in a rifle is the limit.
is this recent?? could swore it was 15 limit..
LTb1ow
12-12-2009, 10:41 PM
is this recent?? could swore it was 15 limit..
Ten, almost 100%.
procamaroz28
12-12-2009, 11:07 PM
o gotcha
EchoMirage
12-13-2009, 08:12 AM
10rds for a detachable rifle mag. pump shotguns are unlimited for # of rounds and accessories.
jin1481
12-13-2009, 09:11 AM
15rd mag is the limit on handguns
DevilDougWS6
12-13-2009, 09:48 AM
10 rounds is the limit for rifle magazines. 15 for handguns. and all gun laws are dumb, because criminals don't register their guns, nor do they buy them legally. the most outrageous firearm law has got to be the bayonet lug deal. If I want to cut someone up from a distance i will get a sword, but who the hell puts a bayonet on a rifle to run around slashing people?
bad64chevelle
12-13-2009, 10:15 AM
the most outrageous firearm law has got to be the bayonet lug deal.
I got hassled twice at Ft. Dix for having the bayo lug on my Mauser...I got kinda ticked off, but they can call whoever they want, its a bolt action rifle, im still good to have it.
And shotgun is unlimited on a pump action only.
EDIT* The conflicting round #s and mag sizes in here are identical to what the authorities go through, NJ has such insane rules and regs it is hard to know what is the ACTUAL law. Just like our second amendment rights...yet we have to apply for the right to purchase firearms, and apply for a right to buy a pistol every time we want to buy one.
SteveR
12-13-2009, 02:34 PM
And isn't hollow point ammo illegal in NJ too?
Dark_Knight7096
12-13-2009, 03:21 PM
actually you CAN own a fully automatic weapon in NJ. BUT you need a class III permit which is hard to obtain, plus I believe you have to pay to hold on to it. It is basically a permit to buy and sell firearms to the public, so you would only need it if you intend to open a shop.
Actually Class III is not allowed in NJ for private citizens. The only people that can have Class III is what you stated, dealers only and even then it is insanely hard to get, I believe you have to be a dealer/supplier to LEO or .mil to get one (note you can sell to an individual in another state with Class III).
You DEFINATELY cannot own a fully auto AR-15 in NJ, as AR-15s are 100% illegal, they are listed by name on the list of assault weapons banned by the state. Semi-auto AR-15 style weapons are ok though.
LTb1ow
12-13-2009, 03:22 PM
The real question is, other than burning through ammo like its your job... why the need for full auto...?
Its mostly useless if hitting targets is your goal...
Dark_Knight7096
12-13-2009, 03:35 PM
EDIT* The conflicting round #s and mag sizes in here are identical to what the authorities go through, NJ has such insane rules and regs it is hard to know what is the ACTUAL law. Just like our second amendment rights...yet we have to apply for the right to purchase firearms, and apply for a right to buy a pistol every time we want to buy one.
Magazine rules, cannot own a magazine with over a 15rd capacity, you can own one with a greater than 15rd capacity so long as it is permanently altered to not accept more than 15 rounds, for instance I have some P-Mag P20s that are permanently blocked to 15 rounds so they are ok.
Bayo lugs are not applicable on bolt guns, it has to be a semi-auto before the illegal feature list starts coming into play. I have a bayo lug on my PSL-54c and that's one of 2 "evil" features it can have, the other is a detachable mag. I get a pass on pistol grip because it has a full cutout stock so it is not considered a pistol grip but a skeleton stock, though i still get strange looks and crap from time to time.
The only shotguns that can be considered assault weapons are, again, semi auto. Bolt, pump, lever, breakaway, etc. do not count and anything you want can be done to them provided magazine capacity does not exceed 15 rounds.
To answer the other posters question, no, owning hollow-point ammo is not, in and of itself, illegal. However, if you are convicted of a crime, any crime, and any subsequent search of your person or property turns up hollow-point ammunition you will have an additional charge filed against you "felony possesion of hollow-points". There was an individual one time that held up a bank, didn't use guns to do it, no guns there whatsoever. Following his arrest, police searched his home and turned up 1 gun and 5 hollow-points, he was charged with felony possession of hollow-points.
To the OP, your question was pretty much answered but here you go:
To buy a handgun you must go to local PD, ask for permit to purchase pistol/revolver. Fill it out (almost same as FID), return it and wait. Whenever I hand in it takes me a week to get mine back but you can wait anywhere up to a month. It doesn't have to go through FBI and NJSP like your FID card does, it only has to go to the chief of your local PD for approval. You will need one for each pistol you plan to buy, and they are only good for 90 days. If 90 days go by and you don't purchase the permit is void. Most shops will allow you to purchase in anticipation of your purchasers permit to come through and will remove from the case and save in the back for you. When your permit goes through, come in they fill out permit, you go through NICS, they give you pistol you go home.
http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf
N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.4 should be of specific interest for you, it is the part of the law that refers to permits to purchase.
a magazine is not a clip. stop watching gangster movies
PolarBear
12-14-2009, 10:30 AM
Nj is an optional registration state. Technically you dont have to register your firearms if they are brought from another state, purchased in another state, or hand me downs/gifts.
Where are you getting this information? I spoke to my friends uncle this weekend who is a retired Trenton Police officer and he said ALL firearms in NJ have to be registered.
a magazine is not a clip. stop watching gangster movies
This gets me too now that you pointed it out once to me.
Forget NJ and the permit laws, I will just have my grandfather buy all my firearms for me once I move back to NJ....
DevilDougWS6
12-14-2009, 11:11 AM
That was one thing I have been trying to find out as well, whether or not I could use my leftover 30 round mags AS LONG AS I alter the internals to make them hold only 10 rounds.
And yes it is OPTIONAL to register firearms in NJ. I am not sure if it has/is/or will be changed to be mandatory or not, as I have heard that was the case.
PolarBear
12-14-2009, 11:43 AM
And yes it is OPTIONAL to register firearms in NJ. I am not sure if it has/is/or will be changed to be mandatory or not, as I have heard that was the case.
While your input is appreciated and I am not inclined to not believe you I would like to know if this is fact or not. I do not want speculation in this case
Dark_Knight7096
12-14-2009, 04:38 PM
That was one thing I have been trying to find out as well, whether or not I could use my leftover 30 round mags AS LONG AS I alter the internals to make them hold only 10 rounds.
And yes it is OPTIONAL to register firearms in NJ. I am not sure if it has/is/or will be changed to be mandatory or not, as I have heard that was the case.
Magazine rules, cannot own a magazine with over a 15rd capacity, you can own one with a greater than 15rd capacity so long as it is permanently altered to not accept more than 15 rounds, for instance I have some P-Mag P20s that are permanently blocked to 15 rounds so they are ok.
temporary blocks are no good, has to be permanent (or at least labor intensive to remove, block of wood shoved in bottom of mag is no good.) And you want to have the modification done outside of the state before you bring them here, otherwise you are violating state firearm law and, if you get caught before modding them, face serious jail time.
and your second statement, yes AND no. Long arms do not need to be registered as you do not need to record every shotgun/rifle you buy, so you can buy them out of state and don't have to report them to anyone, HOWEVER all purchased handguns must be registered as you must have a permit to purchase a handgun for each one you buy. If you buy out of state that dealer/person has to ship it to a FFL dealer in NJ to do the transfer paperwork for you, you cannot legally buy a handgun outside of NJ and bring it back. The only time a handgun does not have to be registered in the state of NJ is when you are left it. Say a relative dies and they leave you their handguns, you don't need to get permits for them and you don't need to register them if you don't want to. Provided you can legally own a firearm if subjected to the same checks you would be if your were filing for a FID card and a Permit to Purchase you can keep them. If you would fail the checks and would not be eligible for them if going for them you could legally keep the firearms for a period of 90 or 180 days (can't remember which) to prepare to sell them.
Oh, and there are a few guns where "clip" and "magazine" are the same. M1 Garand comes to mind.
Typically the "clip" is the thing designed to hold the rounds and feed them into the device that holds them in the firearm and feeds them to fire. The "magazine" is the thing designed to hold the ammo inside the gun and to feed them into the chamber.
If you want to get SUPER technical it almost can be considered proper to call a "mag" a "clip" provided it is not in the gun and is just holding the rounds though that would be a pretty big stretch.
PolarBear
12-14-2009, 04:43 PM
you cannot legally buy a handgun outside of NJ and bring it back.
Does anyone have a place online for regs and rules for firearm ownership/purchase for NJ there is no way the above statement is true. I can imagine that is the firearm does not conform to the local laws you can legally bring it back but I know you can bring firearms across the state border.
Dark_Knight7096
12-14-2009, 04:45 PM
All of the above info is explained in the NJ firearms statute I posted earlier in the thread also.
Dark_Knight7096
12-14-2009, 04:50 PM
Does anyone have a place online for regs and rules for firearm ownership/purchase for NJ there is no way the above statement is true. I can imagine that is the firearm does not conform to the local laws you can legally bring it back but I know you can bring firearms across the state border.
You can bring firearms across state borders, you can't buy one in another state without registering it and bring it back though. I'm not 100% sure of the legality of out of state dealers filing NJ state paperwork, but I will say I have yet to meet one single dealer willing to do it. Went to a gunshow in allentown pa, some guys there with NJ permits already filled out trying to buy handguns and the dealers were taking payment getting addresses to ship the guns to that persons local dealer. On gunbroker and other firearms auction sites everyone is "Local pickup FTF transfer, out of state will ship to your FFL for pickup". I'm pretty sure if a handgun is sold across state lines it must go through FFL.
It may not be illegal but I have yet to see one single transaction that has occurred that way.
PolarBear
12-14-2009, 04:50 PM
All of the above info is explained in the NJ firearms statute I posted earlier in the thread also.
I missed that, thanks
Dark_Knight7096
12-14-2009, 04:51 PM
no problem
Dark_Knight7096
12-14-2009, 04:59 PM
Federal law, cannot buy handgun outside of your own state:
from the NRA page "A citizen's guide to federal firearms laws", this is just a summary not word for word:
Provided that federal law and the laws of both the dealer`s and purchaser`s states and localities are complied with:
* An individual 21 years of age or older may acquire a handgun from a dealer federally licensed to sell firearms in the individual`s state of residence
PolarBear
12-14-2009, 05:02 PM
* An individual 21 years of age or older may acquire a handgun from a dealer federally licensed to sell firearms in the individual`s state of residence
Ok this I can see. At a quick read through the code in the pdf you provided it mentions nothing about a handgun across a state line where the owner legally purchased the firearm and moved to another state
Dark_Knight7096
12-14-2009, 05:03 PM
Mag limit laws
Handguns, rifles, NON-SEMI-AUTO shotguns - 15 rounds
Semi-auto shotguns - 6 rounds
Dark_Knight7096
12-14-2009, 05:03 PM
Ok this I can see. At a quick read through the code in the pdf you provided it mentions nothing about a handgun across a state line where the owner legally purchased the firearm and moved to another state
Yea, reread it and realized it didn't, that's because I posted NJ firearms law, the law stating no interstate sales of handguns w/o going through FFL in homestate is federal law, wouldn't be reiterated in state law.
PolarBear
12-14-2009, 05:05 PM
Yea, reread it and realized it didn't, that's because I posted NJ firearms law, the law stating no interstate sales of handguns w/o going through FFL in homestate is federal law, wouldn't be reiterated in state law.
So what does that mean to someone in my situation?
Dark_Knight7096
12-14-2009, 05:09 PM
what's your situation?
PolarBear
12-14-2009, 05:10 PM
what's your situation?
I am a PA resident moving back to NJ in the near future. I already own a handgun and I want to purchase a rifle before i move back.
Dark_Knight7096
12-14-2009, 05:21 PM
from every law I have read, if the gun is legally owned in your current state and conforms to all laws in the state you move to you can legally bring it. If your state requires mandatory registration then you have to register it, if not don't worry about it. No rifle or shotgun legal in NJ requires registration in NJ so no worries there, the only thing i'm not 100% on is if you have to register the handgun, I don't think so but I would call the NJSP and ask for sure. Say you currently reside in PA and will be moving to NJ in the future and are curious if you have to register your handgun when you move here. They should be able to give you a better answer than me.
This guy is the number 1 recommended firearms law layer in NJ on all the boards i'm a member of, when in doubt, call him and ask.
http://www.jackventurilaw.com/PracticeAreas/Firearms-Weapons.asp
Raist103
12-17-2009, 02:51 PM
100% right although mine only took 2 months and thats because one of my contacts i put down was at work when they called every time but the last.
1. Go to the police station
2. Ask for paperwork for handgun permit.
3. fill it out and give it back
4. Pay fees
5. Wait until you get old (took me 4 or 5 months)
6. Get fingerprinted.
7. Get your Permit
8. Go to the gun store
9. Show them your permit
10. Play it guns
11. Buy one (within 90 days of receiving your permit)
12. ???
13. Profit.
Anything else?
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