Two More GM Cars: Buick Regal GS and Aveo RS

[BigAls87Z28]

Regal GS will be in production next year when it shifts to Oshawa.
Aveo starts production next year and will look very close to this, sans 19's and body kit.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/591/medium/reggs1.jpg (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/naias-buick-regal-gs-show-car-87722/)
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Quick Look:
2.0 Turbo making 255hp/295ftlbs of torque
6spd manual opton
Haladex Adanced AWD
Brembo brake
Mega-Seats

Aveo RS is a concept at this moment, but positive press will push it foward. It will be built here in the US as the only B-Class car to be built in America.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/591/medium/avrs3.jpg (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/naias-chevrolet-aveo-rs-concept-87774/)
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Quick Look:
19 inch wheels and body kit give bold look to segment
1.4T motor will make near 140hp and get over 40mpg
6spd manual option.
Motocycle inspired IP gives sporty feel to interior

[Frosty]

Full win on GS.

Full fail on Aveo.

[BigAls87Z28]

I dunno man...that Aveo is lookin like a killer. Possible 45, maybe 50mpg with an XFE model?
Its worlds better then the current Aveo, or anything else out there today.

[Frosty]

Option and practicality wise I'm sure it is a killer....but it also kills my eyes looking at it...I'm not digging the look at all. Hey, if it sells and puts a hurting on the competition then awesome...I just don't like the looks of it.

[BigAls87Z28]

Ah, ok. I think it looks outstanding. There is so much buzz bout the Fiesta for the last 2 years, but when you look at that car compred to the Aveo, the Aveo just looks 10 times more modern and cutting edge. So much more going on with the body work.

[Knipps]

Tony, I'm the complete opposite, the Regal looks boring to me. The Aveo is a little over the top but again, it's a concept, it'll be toned down when it's put into production.

[Mike]

absolutely loving the regal

[bubba428]

i didn't know GM bought scion???

[wretched73]

The regal is looking real good, and i think the aveo will sell to a lot of people who are looking at a smart car thinking its cool but the aveo seems a lot more practical

[BigAls87Z28]

Tony, I'm the complete opposite, the Regal looks boring to me. The Aveo is a little over the top but again, it's a concept, it'll be toned down when it's put into production.

Head and tail lights, wheels, front and rear fascia, and side skirts are concept only...for now.

I see both cars as huge players. Regal fits perfect into Buick's relm, offering a sport sedan alternative to the regular day-to-day cars.

Regal GS is a friggggggin awesome car. I kinda wish they brought over teh 2.8Turbo...but this will do.

[DaSkinnyGuy]

Regal GS needs a turbo 3.8L

[BigAls87Z28]

Since that doesnt exist, dont see that happening.

[bubba428]

turbo 3.6?

[BigAls87Z28]

Possible. Since the 2.8 is in the same family as the 3.6. But I dont see it happening.
V6 option will be available once it comes state side.

[S.J.SLEEPER]

aveo looks like a Scion w/ a bowtie emblem super-glued on

[BonzoHansen]

Boy, the Buick design is polar opposite of the caddy and even Chevy angular designs. that is good. I kind of like that Buick.

Now the aveo, god the thing now is such a turd. I see the cars on the road today, that Aveo will sell more than today's POS.

[qwikz28]

i want that buick.

[Iroc-z86]

aveo is nice, not my cup of tea but gm needs something to take sales from those stupid box cars ie scions and that nissan pos that is uglier than ever.

the gs is hot. would def buy that. id want a v6 though. not a huge fan of 4 cyls.

[BonzoHansen]

aveo is nice, not my cup of tea but gm needs something to take sales from those stupid box cars ie scions and that nissan pos that is uglier than ever.

the gs is hot. would def buy that. id want a v6 though. not a huge fan of 4 cyls.

that ecotech is pretty ballsy little engine. don't sell it short.

[PolarBear]

Is the Regal a new platform or based on another current GM car? It looks similar to the G8, would think a V8 version would be nice

[Mike]

Is the Regal a new platform or based on another current GM car? It looks similar to the G8, would think a V8 version would be nice

its a little smaller than the current Chevy Malibu, so, a lot smaller than the g8... i think it shares a platform with one of gm's European cars

[BonzoHansen]

so like a 350z sized car with back seats?

[PolarBear]

its a little smaller than the current Chevy Malibu, so, a lot smaller than the g8... i think it shares a platform with one of gm's European cars

I see, so a V8 wont really fit...... Was the G8 going to come back re-badged?

[Mike]

I see, so a V8 wont really fit...... Was the G8 going to come back re-badged?

at first it was, then it wasnt, then it was, now i dunno :rofl:

[Tru2Chevy]

Really digging that Regal!

The Aveo is meh....but I'm thinking that it will probably sell pretty well to the tuner market, so more power to 'em.

- Justin

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

That aveo's badass!

[BigAls87Z28]

Regal is on SWB Epsilon 2, the 2nd generation Epsilon that sits under cars like the current Malibu, Saturn Aura, Saab 9-3, Pontiac G6, Opel/Vaux. Vectra.
LaCrosse is on LWB Epsilon 2. So will the upcoming Cadilliac XTS and Chevy Impala. Bigger cars, more like G8 in size.
EP2 is a FWD/AWD platform.

[Iroc-z86]

that ecotech is pretty ballsy little engine. don't sell it short.

yeah i bet it is, i dunno i would prob test drive it and see. im used to the old 4 cyls of the early 90's that had no pick up and just sucked in general.


i hate gm. they are coming out with too many cars that i would buy but cant afford any right now and when i can i really want the camaro but its hard now. jerks. about damn time they are doing something right.

[miketa95]

That Buick is awesome, however anyone I mention it to says "Buicks are for old people though." Even my mom said that, and she drives a Lincoln.

The Aveo is cool too, although not my type of car. However, compared to the Honda Fit or Scion box thingie I think it looks a lot more appealing.

[BigAls87Z28]

yeah i bet it is, i dunno i would prob test drive it and see. im used to the old 4 cyls of the early 90's that had no pick up and just sucked in general.


i hate gm. they are coming out with too many cars that i would buy but cant afford any right now and when i can i really want the camaro but its hard now. jerks. about damn time they are doing something right.

The ol 2.5, 2.2...yeah, they kinda sucked. Quad4s were pretty bad ass in there day. In fact, a 180hp Quad4 was supposed to be the base model engine for the FWD Gen 4 Fbody, with a 260hp DOHC 3.4 being the top.
But these Ecotec series motors are very strong. The one that is going into this car is more then just your typical 4cyl...this one has a snail on it.
This is a reworked version of the same turbo 4cyl that found its way into the Cobalt SS, Pontiac Solstice GXP, and Saturn Sky Red Line.

GM does have a bunch of great products out right now. They will be launching 7 brand new cars at Detroit, with 4 concepts. And with the big 10 billion dollar payment to VEBA for the Unions, they cut medical overhead costs per vehicle by nearly 3,000. That means 3k extra in profit per GM vehicle sold.
Just imagine when things pick back up, and we go from GM being profitable at 10 million cars sold a year, to 15 million?


That Buick is awesome, however anyone I mention it to says "Buicks are for old people though." Even my mom said that, and she drives a Lincoln.

The Aveo is cool too, although not my type of car. However, compared to the Honda Fit or Scion box thingie I think it looks a lot more appealing.


Yeah, the old imagine is tough to shake, but you mom bought a Linc so it cant be that bad. This little guy sure is going to seal the old people status. Sure, old people will still buy it, but like the CTS did for Cadillac, this should help drop the median age of owners by a decade or so.

[NastyEllEssWon]

In fact, a 180hp Quad4 was supposed to be the base model engine for the FWD Gen 4 Fbody, with a 260hp DOHC 3.4 being the top.





wrong. the beretta was the planned replacement for the camaro just as the probe was for the mustang. the early mules were running around with a fwd v8 5 speed, awd turbo six cylinder.

[transmaro93]

^^^ ding ding ding round 1

[BigAls87Z28]

wrong. the beretta was the planned replacement for the camaro just as the probe was for the mustang. the early mules were running around with a fwd v8 5 speed, awd turbo six cylinder.

Beretta was not a replacement for Camaro, but was going to be Camaro.
There were no V8's planned for the chassis, just teh Quad4 and DOHC 3.4. Only FWD V8 chassis around were for Caddy.
Even if there was a few mules that were running around with V8's and turbo Six's, they had zero production intent.
GM80 project I belive was the name of the FWD Camaro program.
Probe was not to replace the Mustang, but become the Mustang. When people pitched a fit, they pulled out of the program.
Third gen was also supposed to be a FWD car as there were two programs running in the late 70's, a FWD based program to make it like a large J body, or a RWD program very loosely based on the X body.

Both cars were too far along development, and they kept them going foward. Since Mustang FWD was going to be made on a Mazda-based platform, the engineering was done and they kept it for a sporty FWD coupe to match with the Celica and the like.
Same for Beretta

[JerzLT1]

mmmmmmm 6spd turbo AWD. how much does it weigh?

[BigAls87Z28]

The OPC in Europe comes in about 3600lbs? This might be a little lighter.

[The Fixer]

I'm with most of you guys - the Aveo is meh, but I really dig the Buick!! I think price range will determine who's gonna buy that car for sure - if it's low-mid 20's, then most likely they'll get younger buyers into it. If its 30K plus, GM can forget about young people buying it.

[BigAls87Z28]

Well, first year the Regal CXL will be the only model, meaning its the top trim.
They will all be built in Germany and shipped here for 2010. When production shifts to Oshawa Canada, the car will have lower trim levels.
There will also be a smaller Astra-based sedan showing up soon.

[BigAls87Z28]

Autoshow press days kick off tomorrow. Im here in cold and snowy Detroit.

Another new car showed up this morning. GMC Granite Concept

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/591/medium/X10CC_GM015.jpg

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/591/medium/X10CC_GM011.jpg


Built on the Delta 2 platform along with the Cruze, Volt, and upcoming Orlando, this is a concept that shows off what will be GMC's MPV. It also displays GM's first Dual-Clutch Transmission.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/naias-gmc-granite-concept-87857/

[BigAls87Z28]

More car

2012 Ford Focus hatch and sedan

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/591/medium/nextgenfordfocus011.jpg

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f63/naias-2012-ford-focus-87860/

[NastyEllEssWon]

Beretta was not a replacement for Camaro, but was going to be Camaro.
There were no V8's planned for the chassis, just teh Quad4 and DOHC 3.4. Only FWD V8 chassis around were for Caddy.
Even if there was a few mules that were running around with V8's and turbo Six's, they had zero production intent.
GM80 project I belive was the name of the FWD Camaro program.
Probe was not to replace the Mustang, but become the Mustang. When people pitched a fit, they pulled out of the program.
Third gen was also supposed to be a FWD car as there were two programs running in the late 70's, a FWD based program to make it like a large J body, or a RWD program very loosely based on the X body.

Both cars were too far along development, and they kept them going foward. Since Mustang FWD was going to be made on a Mazda-based platform, the engineering was done and they kept it for a sporty FWD coupe to match with the Celica and the like.
Same for Beretta



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/Rodville/Barrett-Jackson/Feretta/102_0069.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2009/11/500x_chevy_feretta_01.jpg

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://www.berettastuff.com/reference/proto1.jpg

http://www.berettastuff.com/reference/proto2.jpg

http://www.berettastuff.com/reference/proto3.jpg




also the 3.4's weren't dohc, they were stroked 3.1's with a modified tpi setup.
supposedly they ran mid 13s . they were in the convertible berettas that paced indy that year.
one of them went to the winner of the race, the rest were split up throughout gm. one of the original ones still sits
in an auto campus in ohio. ill post pics of them later.

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r135/Sk8rMurph04/Beretta/Indyvert1.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r135/Sk8rMurph04/Beretta/Indyvert2.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r135/Sk8rMurph04/Beretta/Indyvert3.jpg

http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/chevy/145/pacecar3.jpg




the car is in a college in dayton ohio....they are under contract by gm to not allow any underbody, underhood or convertible component pictures to be taken. those were the only pics they were allowed to take up close....theres a few more taken from a balcony above it...but i cant find them.

[JerzLT1]

at 3600 that wouldnt be much more then an EVO.... this could be a fun little platform for a DD

[Wolfblitz]

I like the buick, really modern and flowing. Cant say much for the other....

[BigAls87Z28]

Thats the Beretta, Im taking about the FWD 4th Camaro that never came to be.
The FWD Camaro looked more like a 4th gen, not the boxy design of the Beretta.

I talked to the Chief Engineer of the Insigna/Regal today about the 2.0T. Two awesome things
1) 255/295 is far from final. They want more, and they said that there is room for more without much sacrafice in fuel economy. There will be NO V6 at this time.
2) The car has adaptable suspension and chassis dynamics, including a "GS" mode that can shift as much as 85% of the power to the rear of the car. Note, this is a FWD in regular trim.

[Iroc-z86]

that sounds so bad a$$. i would def consider it. if that 4cyl has that much power then damn. thats about what my v8 has..