Was this cop a jerk?

[fmybody]

ok so my (low beam out) came on today in my E30. I didnt have time to go to pep boys to get a replacement so i went to work and on my way home i got pulled over GUESS WHERE? north brunswick:evil:

long story short i gave him all my paperwork included my pba given to me by my gf's father who is sarg. in spotswood... he takes the pba and gives me a "warning"

like i feel like would have been better off just taking the ticket lol

what do you guys think?

[HeadlessNorseman]

he was doing his job. I hate to say this..but if you know your light is out you gotta change it. Some cops can be dickheads in the way they do their job, but thats just what they are doing. Did you change it yet?

[chrisfrom nj]

i allso got pulled over the other day for a bad inspection sticker i got off with a warning sometime you find a cool cop sometime you find a a--hole

[NastyEllEssWon]

you didnt get a ticket, why even bring it up? pba cards sometimes will talk you INTO a ticket if you get a real ball buster. its not a get out of jail free card you know

[fmybody]

you didnt get a ticket, why even bring it up? pba cards sometimes will talk you INTO a ticket if you get a real ball buster. its not a get out of jail free card you know

i brought it up to ask your guys opinons.. thats why one of the poll options is "no, your lucky you didnt get a ticket"

no i didnt get it fixed this just all happend to day. i get out of school at 12:15, home aat 1, leave for work at 2:30 and work from 3:30-11:30pm

leaves a very thin space to get a headlight and change it lol

its not a huge deal but i thought they only take pba's over a something thats a little more serious than a headlight..

anyways im just alittle mad cause i just got the thing lol i know its not get out of jail free but i would have rather got out of speeding or something worth points.

i duno just a little rant

[B4C]

I got pulled over for bad headlight after 6 months of not having one on the pass side...no ticket, verbal warning. Depends on the cop.

[Mike]

i brought it up to ask your guys opinons.. thats why one of the poll options is "no, your lucky you didnt get a ticket"

no i didnt get it fixed this just all happend to day. i get out of school at 12:15, home aat 1, leave for work at 2:30 and work from 3:30-11:30pm

leaves a very thin space to get a headlight and change it lol

its not a huge deal but i thought they only take pba's over a something thats a little more serious than a headlight..

anyways im just alittle mad cause i just got the thing lol i know its not get out of jail free but i would have rather got out of speeding or something worth points.

i duno just a little rant

then why did you hand it too him?

[fmybody]

then why did you hand it too him?

it was a quick decision, i was almost positive that he was just going to give it back. spotswood isnt too far from NB i guess i overestimated the pba :(

but correct me if im wrong you dont get points for a headlight out? if i could go back id prob just take my chances of getting the ticket...that is if its a point free ticket.

[BonzoHansen]

no points

[Frosty]

So you give him your PBA card because you thought you were going to get a ticket. You don't get said ticket, get off with a warning and you're a little peeved you didn't get your PBA card back? Am I missing something? If you didn't want him to take it then you shouldn't have given it to him. He wasn't a dick at all, he didn't write you for something he could have easily written for. I'm failing to see how he was a dick.

[fmybody]

So you give him your PBA card because you thought you were going to get a ticket. You don't get said ticket, get off with a warning and you're a little peeved you didn't get your PBA card back? Am I missing something? If you didn't want him to take it then you shouldn't have given it to him. He wasn't a dick at all, he didn't write you for something he could have easily written for. I'm failing to see how he was a dick.

well i said jerk, and im asking. but yeah im "a little peeved" i didnt get my pba back..

and him not giving it back is what could potentially make him a jerk. i mean im not the only one who thinks so, i got like 3 votes on my side lol

[Frosty]

Dick, jerk...all the same category :rofl:

I think you're making it a bigger issue than it is. You gave him the PBA card because you thought you were going to get a ticket right? Well you didn't get a ticket so the card possibly worked. Either way if you didn't want it taken in hopes to save it for a REAL violation then it should have stayed in the wallet...don't be mad at the cop...be mad at yourself for wasting it on a potentially silly ticket. ;)

[fmybody]

Dick, jerk...all the same category :rofl:

I think you're making it a bigger issue than it is. You gave him the PBA card because you thought you were going to get a ticket right? Well you didn't get a ticket so the card possibly worked. Either way if you didn't want it taken in hopes to save it for a REAL violation then it should have stayed in the wallet...don't be mad at the cop...be mad at yourself for wasting it on a potentially silly ticket. ;)

lesson learned! to be honest i wasnt sure if there were points involved and i didnt wanna take the chance.. guess i paid tha price lol


Price: PBA

[Frosty]

Nah, there's no point involved in a non-moving violation/equipment ticket. The worst that would have happened is him writing you a ticket for the light and you either A)had to pay it or B) go to court, show that you fixed it and possibly have it dropped.

Either way you did kind of waste the PBA card...lesson learned like you said.

[NastyEllEssWon]

you dont get to keep the get out of jail free card in monopoly either. maybe he was playing your game :lol:

[thunder]

cops a dick. its just a head light

[Savage_Messiah]

I got pulled over for bad headlight after 6 months of not having one on the pass side...no ticket, verbal warning. Depends on the cop.

why :shock:

[69BirdX]

It says on the back of the card to take it. Next one you get put the cops cell on it if they Allow you. Then if you get pulled over again after the cop takes it he'll call who ever card it is and return it to them. That doesn't always work but worth the try

[GP99GT]

for something as small as that...you dont use the PBA card

[B4C]

why :shock:

98 Lincoln mark 8...if it was a ford site that would be all I had to say everyone would know why but I'll explain. 97-98 mk8's had factory hid's they orig cost around $300 a bulb for new bulbs...well then ford decided hey it would be a good idea to discontinue these...yeah right :rolleyes: ...so the "fix" they came up with was a $1000 halogen conversion kit...I'm not paying $1000 for a headlight so I bought an aftermarket hid kit off eBay that was retrofitted for the mark8 wait for 2 months finally get it...drivers light dosent work ballast is bad...wait another month for new ballast...one hid is a diffrent color than the other...wait another month...get a new bulb... Finally finsished installing like 4 months later I drove around w/o if for like 2 months before I ordred the kit

[CHRIS67]

I agree. The cop was just doing his job. You should have saved it for something that had points. Meh, live and learn. :wink:

[fmybody]

Yeah well my gf said he would prob give me another.. Then a buddy I used to work with is a cop and said he's got one for me sunday. Sooo we will just have to think of that as a trial run.. Only thing is now have to change my headlight in the snow -_-

[Blacdout96]

I had a woman come into my work the other day, and got a ticket for a headlight out. It went out at like 11 at night, what auto parts store is open to sell them. given tere is a Walmart, but how many people who don't even know how to fill their gas tank, knwo they sell headlights there. I think it's wrong and should of given her a warning. be nice if there was a campaign from the police force if they carried around headlights, and would give a person a warning, and a headlight, and if they got pulled over again, they would get a ticket AND have to pay for the ticket, and/or a fine from the DMV for failure to inspect/make necessary reapiars to your car.

[sweetbmxrider]

for something as small as that...you dont use the PBA card

this. and now you know.

if you have something simple like a bulb out, you take the ticket. you then fix the issue, bring proof to court, and !ticket. enjoy

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Id be happy I didnt get a ticket....as for pba cards everyone has them nowadays.

[JL8Jeff]

I can't believe so many of you guys feel the need to have a pba card. I've been driving for 26 years and have never had one and never felt the need for one. If you drive like a normal person and make sure your car is legal then you don't have to worry about getting pulled over. A headlight going out is one of those situations you might not realize for a day or 2 and yes, you will eventually get pulled over for that. Same thing with taillights or brakelights out. And it really depends on where you are in the state. The previous owner of the 4Runner I had drove for over a year with an expired inspection and never got pulled over. I drove it for 2 days with the 2 week inspection card and got pulled over right away.

[T69SS]

I think your PBA card did its job, you ended up without a ticket. I agree with MonmouthCtyAntz, everyone has PBA cards now. In a sense they have lost their exclusivety

[fmybody]

Eh like I said lesson learned.. I shouldve been able to think on my feet.. This pba was special lol it said SGT! Lol

[91chevywt]

Driving around someone with a headlight out can be annoying, especially when people use their high beams to 'make up' for the light thats out. Also, some people actually can't tell when their headlight is out, so when cops are bored they pull people over with burnt out lights and expired inspections. The cop did the right thing in letting you off. The only time they give tickets for stuff like that is when you piss them off (or if theyve been previously pissed off) and theyre trying to bang you for everything they can.

[WildBillyT]

Eh like I said lesson learned.. I shouldve been able to think on my feet.. This pba was special lol it said SGT! Lol

If it wasn't gold and engraved then it's "disposable" that way. He could have taken it and given you the ticket anyway. It's a card with no guarantee that he will let you off. I know cops that have gotten tickets from other cops for minor things like this. He's got to do his job.

[sweetbmxrider]

plus look at the state of the economy. municipalities need to make bank somehow

[Knipps]

be nice if there was a campaign from the police force if they carried around headlights, and would give a person a warning, and a headlight, and if they got pulled over again, they would get a ticket AND have to pay for the ticket, and/or a fine from the DMV for failure to inspect/make necessary reapiars to your car.

yes, that's what I want my tax $ spent on :rollseye:

[The Fixer]

If it wasn't gold and engraved then it's "disposable" that way. He could have taken it and given you the ticket anyway. It's a card with no guarantee that he will let you off. I know cops that have gotten tickets from other cops for minor things like this. He's got to do his job.

To some cops (not all!!), there's a "hierarchy" of PBA cards as well. My wife got pulled over for making an illegal right on red a few months ago. She missed the sign that said "No Right on Red between 7AM-4PM", and it was 8:30. Anyway, she gave the cop our brother-in-law's PBA card (he's a Corrections Officer), and she got a ticket anyway. So I called my buddy who's a town police officer, and he explained to me that some cops won't take PBA cards from COs, because they feel like they're "lower" than them. And, they also don't like PBA cards from officers that are higher on the food chain because all they do is sit behind a desk and aren't out on the streets any more. The cop that pulled the OP over ~could~ be one of those guys that follows those rules, and since his card was from a Sgt, he didn't like it too much.

[bandit88]

no ticket = cop wasn't a dick.

my best friend who is a dispatcher said to me now they have to give out warnings..... i don't know if it is here say or for real

[Tsar]

yes, that's what I want my tax $ spent on :rollseye:
Indeed, dumbest idea ever.

[Blacdout96]

yes, that's what I want my tax $ spent on :rollseye:

How much do you pay in taxes, or are you still in school? It would be nice to see an initiative from our local law enforcement to help PREVENT an accident besides giving a ticket, like actually helping solve the potentinal cause. why do people bitch n moan about taxes, without it, **** wouldn't get done, grow up people. I pay my taxes and life goes on.

[Tsar]

How much do you pay in taxes, or are you still in school? It would be nice to see an initiative from our local law enforcement to help PREVENT an accident besides giving a ticket, like actually helping solve the potentinal cause. why do people bitch n moan about taxes, without it, **** wouldn't get done, grow up people. I pay my taxes and life goes on.
It's your responsibility to take care of your own car, not someone else's.

[Frosty]

So you want cops to go around replacing headlamp bulbs? LMFAO......you can't be serious. Why is it the responsibility of the police to make sure YOUR car is safe and properly working? It's not, it's their job to enforce the laws. Once again no one is responsible for their own actions or in-actions, it's always someone elses problem.

EDIT: Damn it Tsar, posting at the same time as me.

[NastyEllEssWon]

im sure the homeless people would be thrilled to hear about your headlight campaign

[Blacdout96]

what ever, I forgot, you all know everything, and ideas from enyone else but yourselves are stupid. :rollseye:

I guess Police don't need to have Serve anymore on their motto, just protect. They don't need to install, but I'm sure ifthe OP recieved a light after the warning, he wouldn't be on here compliaining about the cop being a dick. how bout this, who here owns a firebird that has had a couple of thei 78 lights in their tailights go out, and never even know, or how about someone wiht a brake light? How often do you guys check your tail/brake lights? I'm sure not everytime you go somewhere. things happen, and we forget. How many people on here didn't know a light was out till someone said something or somethign happened late where everywhere was closed.
I'm not sayign they would be a driving sylvania store, but it would be a nice jesture if the light companies formeda campaign with the law enforcement, granted it would be the choice of the law enforcement of that town/county/state if they would like to participate, it wouldn't be manditory, but you guys are really goign to complain about your taxes, and the stupidity of it when a 1.50 bulb ( or 7-15 headlight) compared to a wreck that could coast thousands, or even lives? really? how ignorant you all are. If you wantto complain about taxes then how abotu this, if you get the warning, you have to option of buying the headlight ( taillight or brake light is a dollar, no need to purchase from the officer for YOU to replace.

Believe me, there are far dumber things outthere that cost your precious tax dollars that you seem to not care to complian or not know.

[Frosty]

But why is it the cops responsibility to fix your car? Its yours. It's not their fault the bulb blew nor is it their job to pay to fix it. I've heard of subsidized cell phones, subsidized farming, even subsidized child care...but not subsidized car repairs, lol.

[Tsar]

what ever, I forgot, you all know everything, and ideas from enyone else but yourselves are stupid. :rollseye:
Counter argument of the year!!

[LTb1ow]

Counter argument of the year!!

Apparently his argumentative skills are subsidized by the govt.

[foff667]

you didnt get a ticket, why even bring it up? pba cards sometimes will talk you INTO a ticket if you get a real ball buster. its not a get out of jail free card you know

I agree.

[Blacdout96]

im sure the homeless people would be thrilled to hear about your headlight campaign

Which homeless people, the crack heads that pan handle, or the ones that bit off more then they could chew years back when they bought a house a fancy car, and thought they didn't have a care in the world, cause realistically, **** em both, not my problem you pissed your money away.

[Tsar]

Which homeless people, the crack heads that pan handle, or the ones that bit of more then they could chew years back when they bought a house a fancy car, and thought they didn't have a care in the world, cause realistically, **** em both, not my problem you pissed your money away.

But you want ME to give a damn about YOUR headlight, and buy you a new lightbulb for YOUR car because YOU were too irresponsible to do it yourself?

This has "fail" written all over it.

:rofl:

[Blacdout96]

But why is it the cops responsibility to fix your car? Its yours. It's not their fault the bulb blew nor is it their job to pay to fix it. I've heard of subsidized cell phones, subsidized farming, even subsidized child care...but not subsidized car repairs, lol.

reading FTL for you, read the whole post, I said the police would give it to you, you would have to install it. if you can't fix it, then park it till it can be, drive it to a shop, or better hope you have a set of tools. it wouldn't hurt YOU tax dollars if Sylvania, wagner, phillips, etc donated so they could have a nice tax deduction at the end of the year. as well it would be an option per police precinct if they wantedto participate or not, it would be a nice jesture of SERVING the people you sworn to, not give them a yellow slip, and send them on their way.

But you want ME to give a damn about YOUR headlight, and buy you a new lightbulb for YOUR car because YOU were too irresponsible to do it yourself?

This has "fail" written all over it.

:rofl:

You'll give a damn when someone slams into you, or vice versa. by the way, I guess no one knows the meaning of donating ;) the fail has been served back into your court kthanxbye.

[WildBillyT]

reading FTL for you, read the whole post, I said the police would give it to you, you would have to install it. if you can't fix it, then park it till it can be, drive it to a shop, or better hope you have a set of tools. it wouldn't hurt YOU tax dollars if Sylvania, wagner, phillips, etc donated so they could have a nice tax deduction at the end of the year. as well it would be an option per police precinct if they wantedto participate or not, it would be a nice jesture of SERVING the people you sworn to, not give them a yellow slip, and send them on their way.

Just weighing in-

So the cop will have to carry around a bunch of bulbs and a catalog to figure out which ones go with which car?

[69BirdX]

how is a cop suppose to carry around lighbulbs for every car..........squad car are already pretty tight

[WildBillyT]

how is a cop suppose to carry around lighbulbs for every car..........squad car are already pretty tight

late to the party :D

[69BirdX]

late to the party :D

I posted at like the same time you did.........just happen your came alittle sooner

[NastyEllEssWon]

lol exactly my point about the homeless thing. you dont wanna care about that but you want them to care about our headlights. theres bigger fish to fry. the whole point is he was lenient, gave him a warning, swiped his pba card and he's still complaining....and while admitting that he was IN THE WRONG.




kids :shock:

[Tsar]

You'll give a damn when someone slams into you, or vice versa. by the way, I guess no one knows the meaning of donating ;) the fail has been served back into your court kthanxbye.
This thread is turning into something good.

And no I will not have that problem, I have a handy dandy bulb out light. :lol:

[NastyEllEssWon]

You'll give a damn when someone slams into you, or vice versa. by the way, I guess no one knows the meaning of donating ;) the fail has been served back into your court kthanxbye.





so that would be the cops fault for not supplying the person with no headlights smacking into him???

[LTb1ow]

Sometimes I run low on gas, is it the cops responsibility to make sure I am topped off all the time? Premium please too.

[69BirdX]

Im pretty sure that a cop is a taxi if you need a ride home drunk from the bar.............keeps you from drinking and driving

[JL8Jeff]

Wow, you guys are dumber than you look! His idea is a good idea if it was feasible, but it isn't due to the ridiculous number of bulbs nowadays. So you guys would be happier getting pulled over and getting a ticket for a light out, then you would still need to get the bulb and replace it at your cost, hopefully before you get pulled over again and another ticket or in an accident. Now if the cop could sell you a bulb and you get no ticket, it sure sounds like you saved a lot of money. But go ahead and get tickets, it helps our gov't stay in business. :lol:

[Tsar]

Can a cop pay my student loans, so I don't default? :lol:

[69BirdX]

Wow, you guys are dumber than you look! His idea is a good idea if it was feasible, but it isn't due to the ridiculous number of bulbs nowadays. So you guys would be happier getting pulled over and getting a ticket for a light out, then you would still need to get the bulb and replace it at your cost, hopefully before you get pulled over again and another ticket or in an accident. Now if the cop could sell you a bulb and you get no ticket, it sure sounds like you saved a lot of money. But go ahead and get tickets, it helps our gov't stay in business. :lol:

I think they should just give warnings unless they have seen the same person with a headlight out after the warning. Most cops do that that i have run into or heard of.

[Tsar]

How about...... CHANGE YOUR DAMN BULBS YOURSELF!?!

No? bad Idea?

Anyone against that?

[Blacdout96]

Just weighing in-

So the cop will have to carry around a bunch of bulbs and a catalog to figure out which ones go with which car?

WBT, I respect you cause you question things in a repstectful way, so you good sir get a respectful answer.

you are correct, there are a ton of lights out there, thats not including HID's, and the original rectangular lights, which would take up entirely too much room. They would carry only the mainstream bulbs. 9003-9007, carry two of each that just 10 bulbs. If they feel they would want to, they could also carry H1,H7's, especially since alot of cars are goignthat route of using them. A box of ten brake, or tailllight bulbs is the size of a White Castle Slider ( now im gettign hungry lol) you guys are familiar of blister packs at Auto Zone, Advance auto, here at NAPA, we sell bulbs individually, so they'd carry 2 each of the mainstream bulbs which are 2057, 1156, 1157, 3057,3156,3157,4157,7740,7743, making that 18 bulbs, and 28 bulbs all together. all this would fit in a shoe box and then some with plenty of room left in the box, which I can't see taking up to much room, considering they sometimes carry things like teddy bears for children and what not.

If the person pulled over doesnt know what number the light is ( which 9/10 dont) or they can't find what bulb it is in their owners maual, they don't get a light, if they do, well then kudos to them, fix your car and make it safe again. it's just a jesture out of the goodness of the police dept. and that if they would want to even participate in the campaign.

[NastyEllEssWon]

you can say the same thing 10 different ways and its still a bad idea

[WildBillyT]

you can say the same thing 10 different ways and its still a bad idea

Memory is foggy on this:

I forget which country in the EU has this, (Germany?) but their highway patrol is also there for breakdowns and small maintenance. They don't do **** like domestics, robberies, and other crimes- just highway related stuff like making sure your pile is fit to do 150km/h, etc.

Real pie-in-the-sky thinking as far as getting something this in the US, but not too far off from what Blacd is saying. I think it's not a bad idea but not what the cops are there for. Our PDs do stuff other than traffic related offenses.

[Blacdout96]

lol exactly my point about the homeless thing. you dont wanna care about that but you want them to care about our headlights. theres bigger fish to fry. the whole point is he was lenient, gave him a warning, swiped his pba card and he's still complaining....and while admitting that he was IN THE WRONG.




kids :shock:

Difference is that was their choice in the begining to waste their money, it's notthe choice of the driver for the light to go out, go fail somewhere else.

so that would be the cops fault for not supplying the person with no headlights smacking into him???

If it was mandatory for them to give out lights, which it wouldn't be since in the posts I type yet everyone arguing with me has dyslexia, it would be optional for the officer to, it would be optional for the police dept to join the program. The officer would just do it out of the kindness and their ability to help civilians are best as possible.

How about...... CHANGE YOUR DAMN BULBS YOURSELF!?!

No? bad Idea?

Anyone against that?

I think this is the third time im saying this, the officer would not put it in, he's just giving you the bulb, it's your responsibility to change it. it's ashame schools dont have basic maintenance courses when taking drivers ed, that would certainly help alot.

[Tsar]

It's 100% coverage or none at all. Are you saying if I'm driving my S600 and my bulb goes out I'm not entitled to the same treatment as a dude in a 13 year old beater?

As I said before it's a fail plan.

[Blacdout96]

nope, those have an H3 bulb, its a mainstream bulb, so you would be entitled to recieve one.

[Tsar]

I'm surprised it's not using some German engineering mega super incompatible bulb... Replace S600 with something obscure then.

[Blacdout96]

lol, how about a 1996 BMW 740il with an HID bulb, thats the D2 series bulbs, about $117 ea. at my work. no they wouldnt carry those, peopel would be breaking into the back of police cars to get those.

12secondV6 may know this, whay Mercedes had those forever bulbs that ran like $800-$1200 ea.?

[V]

homeless people should be paid by the government to seek out and change the light bulbs that have gone out on all the cars in their area... 2 birds.. one stone... now what? lol

[Tsar]

homeless people should be paid by the government to seek out and change the light bulbs that have gone out on all the cars in their area... 2 birds.. one stone... now what? lol
When are you running for president?

[Frosty]

reading FTL for you, read the whole post, I said the police would give it to you, you would have to install it. if you can't fix it, then park it till it can be, drive it to a shop, or better hope you have a set of tools. it wouldn't hurt YOU tax dollars if Sylvania, wagner, phillips, etc donated so they could have a nice tax deduction at the end of the year. as well it would be an option per police precinct if they wantedto participate or not, it would be a nice jesture of SERVING the people you sworn to, not give them a yellow slip, and send them on their way.

Your idea FTL. My reading skills are fine, even if you install the bulb yourself you're still asking or expecting a cop to provided the biggest part of the repair...the bulb.

You can spin it any way you want, if the bulb blows, regardless if you know about it or not it's STILL YOUR PROBLEM! Christ, has our society and generation become that dependent on other people and are so hell bent on deflecting accountability? It's not the cop's problem, it's not GE or Sylvania's problem...IT'S YOURS. What's next? Should the cop have some RTV in case you have an oil leak? Prestone stop-leak would be good too in case your radiator has a leak. Screw it, lets get rid of the shotgun and computer equipment in the car and just have the cops act as rolling AAA agents.

I'm going to write my Senator and see if he'll put a bill on Obama's desk and see if we can get this program going...

I'm not sure what townships you all live in but the few times I've had a light out I've gotten warnings. If I were to get a ticket then so be it, I'm in violation of the law. While it might be a ticky-tack ticket it's still deserved...why? BECAUSE I VIOLATED THE LAW.

[Tsar]

lol, how about a 1996 BMW 740il with an HID bulb, thats the D2 series bulbs, about $117 ea. at my work. no they wouldnt carry those, peopel would be breaking into the back of police cars to get those.

12secondV6 may know this, whay Mercedes had those forever bulbs that ran like $800-$1200 ea.?
I assume BJ is included in this price?

[Blacdout96]

homeless people should be paid by the government to seek out and change the light bulbs that have gone out on all the cars in their area... 2 birds.. one stone... now what? lol

I tip my hat to you good sir, win cannot describe your answer. :lol:

[Frosty]

Does NJ issue fix it tickets? So in a case like this with a light out they write you a ticket to fix it, you go into court, prove it was fixed then the ticket is dropped?

[Blacdout96]

Does NJ issue fix it tickets? So in a case like this with a light out they write you a ticket to fix it, you go into court, prove it was fixed then the ticket is dropped?

You still haveto pay court fee's, so your not walkign away scott free.

[Frosty]

Well then that's the cost of the cop writing you for a legitimate violation then. It sucks, I've driven around with blown bulbs and didn't know it...but **** happens. Your idea is an idea that would be OK in a perfect world but the car owner is still responsible for making sure their vehicle is operating in a safe manner and they're still responsible for operating said vehicle under NJ state law.

[Mike]

Which homeless people, the crack heads that pan handle, or the ones that bit off more then they could chew years back when they bought a house a fancy car, and thought they didn't have a care in the world, cause realistically, **** em both, not my problem you pissed your money away.

do you personally know either kind? and as for it not being your problem they pissed their money away, its also NOT THE COPS PROBLEM YOU CANT MAINTAIN A CAR

[Blacdout96]

Well then that's the cost of the cop writing you for a legitimate violation then. It sucks, I've driven around with blown bulbs and didn't know it...but **** happens. Your idea is an idea that would be OK in a perfect world but the car owner is still responsible for making sure their vehicle is operating in a safe manner and they're still responsible for operating said vehicle under NJ state law.

Sure, but if thats the cause, if it's your fault, it's under violation regardless, you should recieve a ticket no matter what, is that what your saying? so it's 3a.m. and their bulb goes out, well its ticket time because it was their fault they left home earlier without individually testing their bulbs, stupid them :rollseye:

[Blacdout96]

do you personally know either kind? and as for it not being your problem they pissed their money away, its also NOT THE COPS PROBLEM YOU CANT MAINTAIN A CAR

Actually, it's odd cause yes, we had a homeless guy that used to live near my old job, i think he past away not too long ago, and as for a money pisser, yes, they aren't homeless now, they lost the house, and move in with their parents.


I understand it's not the cops problem, but if you don't knwo theres a problem,how can you fix it, and also if you do, but it's at a point and time when you can't do anythign about it, what can you do? your in east bumble ****, don't know the area, there isnt a form of civilization, or you don't have the ability to get teh available resources to make the repair, what can you do? you could either get a tow truck to take your car back that only has 1 light out, or it would be nice if an officer assisted you with helping of the problem by giving you a light, givign you a warning, and lettign you know of a safe place ( if not already in a parkign lot) to replace it, that's all, they don't needto come whipping out a jack, give you a 21 point inspection, and buff out that hair line scratch on your right rear fender, just a courtousey that's optional to the officer, like I said he doesn't have to give you a light if he doesn't want to.

[91chevywt]

if it's your fault, it's under violation regardless, you should recieve a ticket no matter what, is that what your saying? so it's 3a.m. and their bulb goes out, well its ticket time because it was their fault they left home earlier without individually testing their bulbs, stupid them :rollseye:

That's how it works. Driving in the state of NJ is a privelage not a right. Driving with a burnt out headlight is a safety issue in more ways than one. Not just for the driver but for the other cars around. The only way to enforce it is with some type of penalty.

Cops have a very difficult job to do, and until you know what its like to be in their shoes it's easy to criticize them. 90% of police work is minor things like pulling over people that have headlights out. The other 10% is the stuff that messes with their mind and is the reason why cops have a job and recieve special training. Having someone you know die on your watch is pretty powerful.

To be bothered with something like changing headlights..or maintaining others' vehicles is rediculous. While that cop is figuring out what light bulb fits your car some little girl could be getting abducted.

[Frosty]

Sure, but if thats the cause, if it's your fault, it's under violation regardless, you should recieve a ticket no matter what, is that what your saying? so it's 3a.m. and their bulb goes out, well its ticket time because it was their fault they left home earlier without individually testing their bulbs, stupid them :rollseye:

I'm not saying you SHOULD receive a ticket, that's not my call. That's up to the officer that pulls you over. The fact is driving with a bad light is a violation regardless if it happened 2 minutes ago or 2 weeks ago. Again, it's up to the cop. If he wants to be a dick and write you a ticket at 3AM then he can..it sucks but that's the way it is. So you want to companies to donate bulbs for that rare occasion? Right....

It's called manning up and dealing with the consequences. Again, it's ALWAYS someone elses fault or problem. You can't predict every scenario or situation...

BTW, ignorance isn't an excuse. Saying you didn't know the bulb is out is usually an honest answer...it doesn't magically make the law go away. Most cops cut breaks, most cops believe people when they say they didn't know or that it just happened....so this entire thread and argument is being made over a VERY SMALL percentage of douche bag cops.

[Blacdout96]

To be bothered with something like changing headlights..or maintaining others' vehicles is rediculous. While that cop is figuring out what light bulb fits your car some little girl could be getting abducted.

What is there only one cop in the town?

I'm not saying you SHOULD receive a ticket, that's not my call. That's up to the officer that pulls you over. The fact is driving with a bad light is a violation regardless if it happened 2 minutes ago or 2 weeks ago. Again, it's up to the cop. If he wants to be a dick and write you a ticket at 3AM then he can..it sucks but that's the way it is. So you want to companies to donate bulbs for that rare occasion? Right....

It's called manning up and dealing with the consequences. Again, it's ALWAYS someone elses fault or problem. You can't predict every scenario or situation...

yup, they should carry those along side those stuffed animals they give to the little kids when theres something going on at the house and they have to arrest momm or daddy right in front of them, yup just as rare.....

instead of keepign your head inside that box, how about taking it out and realize this is not a scenerio of blaming someone else, nobody's to blame, it's a scenerio of trying to help resolve the scenerio. god for -****ing -bid someone helps someone else and they don't consider it pointing the fingers at others. nobody was or is pointing the finger, and when the hell did that even come up in any of my posts, I love how you make **** up as you go along. IT'S A ****ING JESTURE OF COURTESY FROM THE ****ING OFFICER, HE'S NOT FORCED TO GIVE YOU A HEADLIGHT/TAILLIGHT IF HE DOESNT WANT TO. MAYBE IF I POST IN CAPS YOU CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND MY POSTS. IT'S AN IDEA, A THOUGHT, A USE OF A PERSONS MIND TO MAYBE FIND A WAY TO SOLVE SMALL PROBLEMS THAT MAKE UP THIS WORLD.WHY MUST YOU SHOOT IT DOWN LIKE IT'S PASSING THROUGH CONGRESS.

[Mike]

What is there only one cop in the town?

on the night shift in some small towns yes, which is when they would notice any headlight problems anyway

[V]

let me just add this... for work here, whenever we take out a truck, we have to do a PMCS, preventative maintenance checks and services. That includes checking to insure that ALL exterior lighting works, wipers work, directionals, tires are properly inflated, bolts are tight, belts are good, no leaks, proper fuel level, etc etc etc. Thats just every time we drive it, Theres also an add on list of stuff to check while and after we are done driving it. On top of that all, there are weekly monthly checks too that must be performed, not by the mechanics but by us, the operators.

Even when we put in for leave or a pass, our supervisor must give our personal vehicle a walk around according to a list, checking lights, windows, valid paperwork and such.

What im trying to get at is that, yes, a light bulb can and will burn out, but a lot can be prevented if a person would take the time to just walk around their vehicle once before they drive it somewhere. Check the lights, its not hard. While they are at it, just look at the car, see whats going on, lol. Its unbelieveable how many unsafe cars i see on the road with bald/bubbled tires, loose body panels, and dragging/hanging parts including rotted exhausts. All those IMO are a greater danger than 1(of 2) headlight bulbs burnt out....

as for the argument that... its 3 am, i had to get somewhere, the bulb isnt available blah blah blah... ill tell you right now... cops dont care "why". Shocker huh? accept it. IF you knew it was out which most people will, its not rocket since to realize, when the cop comes up to you, dont play dumb. Admit you knew and say you plan on getting it fixed. Thats all, If the cops wants to give you a ticket thats his discretion, if you try to say well i was just heading home, no stores were open etc, your just setting yourself up for failure. Now if you didnt know a bulb was out, say like a brake light, you can tell the cop you didnt know, then if given the chance, apologize and say youll get if fixed right away. Cops do know a brake light or such is hard to know about so most often they'll give you a break. but once again, its all up to discretion, which greatly depends on your attitude towards the cop, be it rolling your eyes, sighing, looking away etc. How you talk to a cop and behave, is even more powerful than any PBA card....

[Frosty]

lol at typing in caps. I understand your thought. I've understood your thought since you posted it the first time. I have a right to disagree with it just like you have the right to disagree with my rebuttal. It boils down to not being anyone's problem but your own. It boils down to making sure your car is up to standard and is working properly. If YOU can't understand that I don't know what to tell you. It'd be nice if someone had the courtesy of paying my cable bill, it'd be nice if someone had the courtesy to pay for the Amsoil for the GTA...but the fact is it's my responsibility.

Again, you're coming up with a solution to a relatively minor and minute problem. In a way you ARE deflecting responsibility for the upkeep of your vehicle. I'm not making anything up as I go alone. You said it was ******** she got a ticket. So your beef is with the cop, not with the fact the bulb went out. You said and I quote "be nice if there was a campaign from the police force if they carried around headlights, and would give a person a warning, and a headlight". A campaign for police offers to handle issues that's the responsibility of the vehicle owner? So yes, in essence your idea IS to defect responsibility because of ONE person's peril and **** situation. The cop was a dick but was also in the right. It's really not hard to understand. Cops already give people warnings at their discretion....maybe the lady that came into your store was a bitch, maybe she mouthed off to the officer and gave him a hard time. You don't know, no one does but those that were involved. She very well could have talked herself INTO a ticket. So what if the officer gives someone a headlamp and the owner installs it wrong and it blows a day later...said officer sees the car again and now writes a ticket for the busted bulb and now starts looking for other stuff wrong...just saying.

There's a difference between courtesy and EXPECTING or feeling ENTITLED that someone else help you out. The courtesy on the cop's part is giving you a warning. ;)

BTW, I've had ideas and statements on here blasted up, down, left, right and everywhere in between. It's a public forum, it's not the end of the world. :shrug:

[Blacdout96]

I just can't believe the amount of poo flung at me for suggesting this, as though I'm in the middle of developing a bill for this, it's a simple concept or thought, and instantly I'm flamed, seriously, what the **** is wrong with all of you, that you must ridicule anyone's thought outside of the relm of normalism, really? I'll just say this, you might not be affected by what I say, you're most likely laughing it off, but hopefully one day a loved one, or some one you care about confront's you and open your eye's and makes you realized how much of a pain in the dick you really can be, I can honestly say I don't have to meet you to realize sometimes yuo've dissapointed your parents or loved ones from your outlandish reactions to one's suggestion of something stupid and simple.

I'm not saying Jeff is the only person who I am not saying this to cause he understands it, but I will say Both Jeff and Wild Bill, Paul, etc. approached this conversation the right way, with respect, learn it sometime.

[V]

i never said anything to try to get under your skin or say it was a bad idea.

i just stated facts about such a situation where a cop would pull someone over for a light being out


edit, nevermind... lol i reread your last post lol

[Frosty]

Yeah because your opinion of me matters. :rofl: I know I'm a dick, don't care. I have plenty of loved ones, I have plenty of friends...I speak my mind. If you or anyone else doesn't like it they can easily hit the ignore button or just skip right past my posts. I'm actually easy to get along with, I just like to debate. I'm actually pretty laid back and the class clown...but you know what they say about ASSumptions.

I never called you any names, never insulted your intelligence...just added my opinion with some heavy sarcasm. If that rubs you the wrong way then so be it. If you give respect to some others because they agree with you then so be it. Matters not to me.

The second someone disagreed with you that you got a bit defensive...so the attitude issue goes both ways.

[Blacdout96]

lol, t's ok paul, I didn't write your name in caps :rofl:

[Frosty]

lol, t's ok paul, I didn't write your name in caps :rofl:

Does that make me special since you typed in caps to me? :mrgreen: j/k

[Blacdout96]

It's not just you frosty, a good majority of people on this website are, I just don't understand why everyone has to come off as a dick for everything they have to post here. I'm a dick once in a while, but when it comes to them on here always coming off as one, it's a different story, go somewhere else cause really even though people seem to take it here, your not really welcomed, go be a dick on a Corvette or BMW site. I don't go to meets anymore becuase they used to be fun, and the peopel there were cool, but now they're filled with ********, why am I goign to hang out with peopel who think their **** doesn't stink, when really they need a size 13 reality check shoved up their ass. **** it .

(no "you" or "your" typed in this post is intended for anyone specifically on here ,just saying as a whole to the person reading this, lol, so not you personally frosty lol.)

[Frosty]

F U....man up and say you mean me bitch. :rofl::D (kidding)

[Blacdout96]

:rofl: :rofl: I'll mean it when I caps it.

[NastyEllEssWon]

its 3 a.m and you notice you have a headlight out...instead of waiting 3 hours for daylight to where it wont matter, you drive anyway and chance it.



key word? chance it. its illegal to do so. you knowingly broke the law. has there ever been a time when it mightve blown while you were driving or whatever have you. thats when its up to the cop to use his discretion to give the ticket. even if he decides to still give you the ticket he is in the right and its your responsibility to take care of it.



you also know that motor vehicle stops are one of the best ways to deter even larger crimes from happening. plenty of motor vehicle stops have led to bigger offenses/crimes being uncovered. so you never know. maybe the cop pulled him over to make sure he didnt just ram into two cars down the road and is fleeing with a broken front end (headlight out :wink:).



or maybe....just maybe....how about this scenario.


its night time. youre a cop. you see a car riding with a headlight out. your original intentions was to pull over this person to make sure they are aware of the situation and they get to the window and BAM...you get a young punk in a sports car with a smug look handing over a PBA card like it actually means something. now the traffic stop turns opposite. instead of the cop doing you a solid, he realizes that you are aware of the problem and are trying to skate around it with this ''get out of jail free card.'' what happened here???? was the cop the dick??? or did you just implicate yourself by trying to get out of it with a pba card.



2 sides to every coin. you wanna know what side of a coin that doesnt exist??? the side of the coin where at anytime during any of those scenarios should a police officer need to supply you or sell you a headlight to remedy the situation. :lol:

[Mike]

It's not just you frosty, a good majority of people on this website are, I just don't understand why everyone has to come off as a dick for everything they have to post here. I'm a dick once in a while, but when it comes to them on here always coming off as one, it's a different story, go somewhere else cause really even though people seem to take it here, your not really welcomed, go be a dick on a Corvette or BMW site. I don't go to meets anymore becuase they used to be fun, and the peopel there were cool, but now they're filled with ********, why am I goign to hang out with peopel who think their **** doesn't stink, when really they need a size 13 reality check shoved up their ass. **** it .

(no "you" or "your" typed in this post is intended for anyone specifically on here ,just saying as a whole to the person reading this, lol, so not you personally frosty lol.)

there is a very easy solution to you not liking it here....type something else into the address bar

and no one "flung poo" at you right away, they said it was a dumb idea, YOU in turn flipped out and made it personal, and it escalated from there, if you cant handle both sides of a debate, or cry when someone doesn't like your opinion, then in the same post ridicule theirs, maybe you should stay out of debates?

[enRo]

All you have to do is be honest, and nice with the cop. All the times I've gotten pulled over (and thats quite a bit), I've been completely honest and nice and only gotten 2 minor tickets. Hell, I was pulled over 2 weeks ago for not having a front plate on, as well as having a cover over my rear plate, and ontop of that, I couldnt find my new registration and insurance tags, and after a nice conversation I had with the cop, he let me off with a warning and even told my insurance company to send me a new card. And where I got pulled over, the cops are really nasty.

I have no complaints over what cops do, because its their job. Be nice to them, and they will be nice to you. Law requires operative low/high beams, so next time, obey the law. Thats why its called a warning. Pretty straight forward of a concept if you ask me :lol: .

[91chevywt]

Since cops should be responsible for vehicle lightbulbs, i think it would be a good idea for EMTs to patrol playgrounds and supply free bandaids to kids when they get scrapes and cuts. Also, I think we should have firefighters run around to everyones house and make sure smoke detecter batteries are good.

[Knipps]

I've been reading so long I forget who posted it but to the person who pointed out there are squads in Europe dedicated to break downs etc. NJ has those too, not only with patrolling police cars but there are regular service patrols for just such occasions as well.

[HW72]

and ontop of that, I couldnt find my new registration and insurance tags, and after a nice conversation I had with the cop, he let me off with a warning and even told my insurance company to send me a new card.

dude, your registration & insurance was out of date and you didn't get a ticket? one time i got pulled over for going like 11 over the limit, and it turns out my insurance was expired by 3 days. the new card was sitting on my nightstand. i told the officer my situation (and apologized for my mistake) and i swore that the car was insured and that i could prove it as soon as i got the card from my home, and i got a ticket that was somewhere between $185 and $200. i totally deserved the ticket, so i'm not complaining... but good lord man! you didn't get a ticket at all for no reg or ins? dude! that's like, sacred ground!

[BonzoHansen]

The idea is perhaps good in theory, but worthless in reality, for some of the reasons mentioned.

1: that is not a police officer's job. they are trained to do a specific series of tasks. Auto repair is not on that list.
2: the police unions would tell towns to go pound salt without big raises. Imagine those contract negotiations. oh yeah, forget about collective bargaining process and contracts?
3: the logistics of it all, as previously mentioned.
4: whenever someone's light goes they will just head to the police station for their free light. Why go buy a light and pay for install when you can get it done for free. So parts houses, installers are all out. Yea job growth!
5: the manufacturers would never give up this lucrative LOB out of the goodness of their souls. They are corporations, they have no soul. This would not buy them any consumer goodwill. What else are you going to go out of your way to buy from Sylvannia? So the idea of free lights ain't happening. You might have better luck getting an unrelated firm, lets say Microsoft, to fund it. At least that might make some sense to someone with funds, like adopting a highway but on a bigger scale. Not to me, but the road is littered with stupid ideas.
6: This state is how many billions in the red? How many? What shape are our roads & bridges? On the grand scale of things we need, this woudl be somewhere near the bottom of the list.
7. I'm good with socialized car repair. Do we start buying everyone cat converters too because it is good for the air? How about tires?

I do pay taxes, probably more this year than you have cumulatively in your lifetime. Not that it matters, but you threw that red herring out earlier. If my $$ went to buy someone a new headlight I'd be pissed. More than I am now at all the waste & handouts that already exist.



That said, FWIW, I've never received or known anyone who received a ticket for a headlight or similar nonsense unless they were pulled over for something else and got this ticket a a 'favor' or were disrespectful to the officer and earned it. Even if that something else was being a teen aged boy driving a firebird late at night.


It's not just you frosty, a good majority of people on this website are, I just don't understand why everyone has to come off as a dick for everything they have to post here. I'm a dick once in a while, but when it comes to them on here always coming off as one, it's a different story, go somewhere else cause really even though people seem to take it here, your not really welcomed, go be a dick on a Corvette or BMW site. I don't go to meets anymore becuase they used to be fun, and the peopel there were cool, but now they're filled with ********, why am I goign to hang out with peopel who think their **** doesn't stink, when really they need a size 13 reality check shoved up their ass. **** it .

(no "you" or "your" typed in this post is intended for anyone specifically on here ,just saying as a whole to the person reading this, lol, so not you personally frosty lol.)there is a very easy solution to you not liking it here....type something else into the address bar

and no one "flung poo" at you right away, they said it was a dumb idea, YOU in turn flipped out and made it personal, and it escalated from there, if you cant handle both sides of a debate, or cry when someone doesn't like your opinion, then in the same post ridicule theirs, maybe you should stay out of debates?And there it is, to a tee. Someone disagrees with you and you cry, call people names and badmouth the club. Your usual MO. That is why people are quick to jump on your **** because your act is old. As an admin I get to hear from lot of club folks and your name comes up a lot. And not in a good way. Respect is a 2 way street.

Mike is dead on. You don't like it here, if the people are mean and upset you so, stay away. Log out is up in the RH corner.

[Mike]

another twist i thought of while reading melissas thread about the automatic checkout lanes... you work in parts sales correct? im sure bulbs are a decent part of your business, if the police start giving them out for free, maybe it will be YOUR job they cut to counter the hit on sales, then you get to be one of those homeless people you were just talking about.......

[NastyEllEssWon]

another twist i thought of while reading melissas thread about the automatic checkout lanes... you work in parts sales correct? im sure bulbs are a decent part of your business, if the police start giving them out for free, maybe it will be YOUR job they cut to counter the hit on sales, then you get to be one of those homeless people you were just talking about.......





surely he couldnt be.....only crackheads and overspending despots are homeless....8-)

[79T/A]

From the back of a PBA card:

"The bearer of this Safety Card has been cited as a safe and courteous driver of motor vehicles and is pledged to cooperate with Policeman's Benevolent Association in their safe and courteous driving campaign. This card is subject to forfeiture for ANY violation of the Motor Vehicle Laws of this State."

Covered by the ANY. Also notice that it doesn't say "This card entitles the bearer to not get a ticket from you."

Not a dick. You gave the card, he chose to take it.

[Blacdout96]

They wouldn't be cutting in on our sales, NAPA caters to Shops over walk in customers, so we sell our bulk to them.



and no one "flung poo" at you right away, they said it was a dumb idea, YOU in turn flipped out and made it personal

Your right, it's rude, why do peopel haveto say dumb, and rip down peopel ,when simple nah not a good idea would be sufficient.


if you cant handle both sides of a debate, or cry when someone doesn't like your opinion, then in the same post ridicule theirs, maybe you should stay out of debates?

You mean I should stay out of every post then right? cause it seems like all this place does is debate, I thought it was a forum, not a debate plateform. And I cry just as much as everyone else during a "debate" they express their reasons as much as I do.

I shouldn't have to type somethign into the address bar, if that's how you feel everyone should be treated and shold do, thats a shame for this site.

[deadtrend1]

You mean I should stay out of every post then right? cause it seems like all this place does is debate ....

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[LTb1ow]

yo sweet pic! its like awesome!

[91chevywt]

Its an internet forum..don't take it to heart. "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all" doesnt apply.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Your right, it's rude, why do peopel haveto say dumb, and rip down peopel ,when simple nah not a good idea would be sufficient.








dont blow a gasket yo.....last time i checked the police dont replace those either :rofl:

[BonzoHansen]

They wouldn't be cutting in on our sales, NAPA caters to Shops over walk in customers, so we sell our bulk to them.

If the shops were no longer selling any bulbs because everyone could get them installed for free, the shops would stop buying them from suppliers.

[NastyEllEssWon]

If the shops were no longer selling any bulbs because everyone could get them installed for free, the shops would stop buying them from suppliers.




yup why go to a shop to get your headlight done when the police would do it for free. :rofl: