View Full Version : we must keep guns out of our schools
all too often its all we hear about. Something must be done, and at least one school has a zero tolerance policy....
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Boy-Threatened-With-Suspension-Over-Toy-Gun-83473992.html
:-)
Anti_Rice_Guy
02-08-2010, 12:10 PM
I'd hate to have to load the ammo into that deadly weapon
ryanfx
02-08-2010, 12:12 PM
Serves the kid right. Who does he think he is bringing in something that most any person could confuse with an authentic automatic rifle.
Anti_Rice_Guy
02-08-2010, 12:13 PM
Serves the kid right. Who does he think he is bringing in something that most any person could confuse with an authentic automatic rifle.
Well it DOES look about Kasey's size
BigAls87Z28
02-08-2010, 12:15 PM
Well, maybe next time Kasey wont let his guns fall into the wrong hands.
LTb1ow
02-08-2010, 12:40 PM
wow.
Thanks Al, way to go.
Squirrel
02-08-2010, 12:43 PM
kids still play with legos?... awesome
Mark42
02-08-2010, 12:56 PM
My six year old got detention for drawing a picture of pirates shooting guns. Go figure.
BonzoHansen
02-08-2010, 12:56 PM
kids still play with legos?... awesome
Legos are very big. Bigger than ever.
Well, maybe next time Kasey wont let his guns fall into the wrong hands.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d50/SmokingSS/kaseycaught.jpg
T69SS
02-08-2010, 01:56 PM
hahah rediculous
NastyEllEssWon
02-08-2010, 01:57 PM
rules are rules. it would probably be the same if he brought a butter knife to school. if youre gonna suspend one for making a hand gun gesture (few years back) you have to suspend them all for any breakages of the rules.
My six year old got detention for drawing a picture of pirates shooting guns. Go figure.
rules are rules. tell him to follow them or pay the consequences.
sweetbmxrider
02-08-2010, 02:09 PM
hahaha dude lego guns are legit now. i have a little gray shotgun in my maro, those were the days.....
rules are rules. it would probably be the same if he brought a butter knife to school. if youre gonna suspend one for making a hand gun gesture (few years back) you have to suspend them all for any breakages of the rules.
isn't a butter knife a LITTLE out of proportion?
BigAls87Z28
02-08-2010, 02:44 PM
I could kill someone with a butter knife. But you can't kill anyone with a plastic molded gun that has no moving parts.
LTb1ow
02-08-2010, 03:04 PM
I could kill someone with a butter knife. But you can't kill anyone with a plastic molded gun that has no moving parts.
Why not?
I am sure someone properly motivated could do it.
BonzoHansen
02-08-2010, 03:10 PM
This is about the failure of perhaps well-intentioned but realistically stupid 'zero tolerance' rules. Knee-jerk reactions to events and fear of lawsuits.
Stupid rules says "no weapons, real or toys" - and the zero tolerance parts gives the people in the school no ability to apply the intent of the rule.
sometimes... with rules, discretion is needed though. Without it, it can be just as bad.
like if there was intention or it was premeditated
qwikz28
02-08-2010, 04:17 PM
I could kill someone with a butter knife. But you can't kill anyone with a plastic molded gun that has no moving parts.
let's ban pens and pencils too! :lol:
Knipps
02-08-2010, 04:34 PM
a gun is a gun is a gun. a knife is a knife is a knife. they're trying to keep the idea of killing out of the schools.
why do you think we're taught columbus was a pretty cool guy? :lol:
ryanfx
02-08-2010, 04:41 PM
a gun is a gun is a gun. a knife is a knife is a knife. they're trying to keep the idea of killing out of the schools.
why do you think we're taught columbus was a pretty cool guy? :lol:
a knife isn't a knife isn't a knife.
http://laches.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/dundeeknife.jpg
haven't memes taught you anything?
deadtrend1
02-08-2010, 04:50 PM
a knife isn't a knife isn't a knife.
I see you've played "knive'seys spoon'seys before"
Czop418
02-08-2010, 04:51 PM
Wow that's crazy I understand they have rules but to suspend a kid for a 2 inch Lego Gun. That's a little out of proportion.
Bangin Bob
02-08-2010, 05:00 PM
When I was in school just about every pickup in the parking lot had a gun rack. Some might even had a gun on it? When I was in junior high I was in the bicycle club. They had a gun club and a bow and arrow club too. When I was in elementary school I was a cub scout. On the days we had our meeting after school we wore our uniforms. Guess what I had my pocket knife on my belt loop and took it to school! I would have never thought of taking that knife out to threaten anyone? Man times have changed and not for the good. I'm not that old either. This country is in bad bad shape! No one has any upbringing, self worth or common sense any more.
Wolfblitz
02-08-2010, 06:13 PM
What ever happened to the good ol days of Cowboys and Indians? or running around a playground with r hand in a gun shape making a "pow pow" sound as loud as you could?
madness410
02-08-2010, 07:03 PM
even if rules are rules are rules..teachers should be allowed some sort of discretion, the story is ridiculous.
NastyEllEssWon
02-08-2010, 07:05 PM
What ever happened to the good ol days of Cowboys and Indians? or running around a playground with r hand in a gun shape making a "pow pow" sound as loud as you could?
like i said before. they suspended a kid for doing just this in a school somewhere off yonder. either way...whats good for one is good for all. all or none, there is no middle ground here.
Frosty
02-08-2010, 08:07 PM
like i said before. they suspended a kid for doing just this in a school somewhere off yonder. either way...whats good for one is good for all. all or none, there is no middle ground here.
BS. You said in another post that the kids should deal with consequences, they're 6 freakin' years old.
A butter knife and a LEGO is NOT the same thing. It's ridiculous, this country is a bunch of stress freaks, so quick to bring on the drama and FEAR.
The SENSIBLE thing would have been to take it away, tell the KID that it's against the rules and explain WHY the rules are what they are...not just suspend the kid and put him through hell, he's a KID.
I guess I'm still thinking when we were in grade school in the 80's.....when things were "normal". I wouldn't want to a kid growing up in this day and age....kids can't be kids...
fmybody
02-08-2010, 08:19 PM
ITS NOT A JOKE GUYS.. THEY ARE RIGHT...
i lost my best friend to a lego gun...
NOT.. wtf? and yeah legos are the shizz and expensive as woah..
BigRocsFirebird
02-08-2010, 09:36 PM
what a jokeeeeeeee
BigAls87Z28
02-08-2010, 10:35 PM
When I was in school just about every pickup in the parking lot had a gun rack. Some might even had a gun on it? When I was in junior high I was in the bicycle club. They had a gun club and a bow and arrow club too. When I was in elementary school I was a cub scout. On the days we had our meeting after school we wore our uniforms. Guess what I had my pocket knife on my belt loop and took it to school! I would have never thought of taking that knife out to threaten anyone? Man times have changed and not for the good. I'm not that old either. This country is in bad bad shape! No one has any upbringing, self worth or common sense any more.
The south sound's like a beautiful place Bob....
Its not America that is in bad shape if you cant put a gun on the back of your pick up truck. I was a cub scout in school, and we could NEVER bring a knife into school. Not that I grew up in some murderious neighborhood, it was out of saftey, not to mention Boy Scout saftey.
BS. You said in another post that the kids should deal with consequences, they're 6 freakin' years old.
A butter knife and a LEGO is NOT the same thing. It's ridiculous, this country is a bunch of stress freaks, so quick to bring on the drama and FEAR.
The SENSIBLE thing would have been to take it away, tell the KID that it's against the rules and explain WHY the rules are what they are...not just suspend the kid and put him through hell, he's a KID.
I guess I'm still thinking when we were in grade school in the 80's.....when things were "normal". I wouldn't want to a kid growing up in this day and age....kids can't be kids...
Agreed, the teacher should have been human and just taught the kid that guns are bad, and that the 2nd ammendment should be removed so that no one is allowed to have guns.
NastyEllEssWon
02-08-2010, 11:05 PM
you have no constitutional rights in a school. which is why freedom of speech doesnt apply. they have rules and the rules are there to abide by. how about you follow the rules and no one will have a problem.
the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?
you have no constitutional rights in a school. which is why freedom of speech doesnt apply. they have rules and the rules are there to abide by. how about you follow the rules and no one will have a problem.
the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?
Public schools have plenty of free speech. There have been plenty of court cases to back up that statement. Private one's on the other hand don't, but that's why they are PRIVATE.
EDIT* I'm still shocked at the stupidity of the quoted statement..
Frosty
02-08-2010, 11:26 PM
you have no constitutional rights in a school. which is why freedom of speech doesnt apply. they have rules and the rules are there to abide by. how about you follow the rules and no one will have a problem.
the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?
Holy hell man, I would NOT want to be your kid :rofl: You never brought toys to school when you were in elementary school?
The point is that the principle overreacted. THAT'S the issue, yes the kid broke a rule...but the thing was blown way out of proportion. We're not talking about people our age, we're talking about little kids...they deserve some slack.
Public schools have plenty of free speech. There have been plenty of court cases to back up that statement. Private one's on the other hand don't, but that's why they are PRIVATE.
:werd:
Firebird92
02-08-2010, 11:28 PM
WTF really i can't believe this....... he's 9 the only gun he knows is that lego one.
rule are meant to be broken. American was started on breaking rules and laws .
i would tell my son to bring his water guns, toy guns everything share with the other kidz be a kidz. run around going "BANG BANG" or "BOOM HEADSHOT" lol well u can but that's just me :)
WTF really i can't believe this....... he's 9 the only gun he knows is that lego one.
rule are meant to be broken. American was started on breaking rules and laws .
i would tell my son to bring his water guns, toy guns everything share with the other kidz be a kidz. run around going "BANG BANG" or "BOOM HEADSHOT" lol well u can but that's just me :)
With grammar like that you should not be reproducing, seriously.
NastyEllEssWon
02-08-2010, 11:38 PM
Holy hell man, I would NOT want to be your kid :rofl: You never brought toys to school when you were in elementary school?
lol nope if we brought toys to school the teacher would take it and not give it back unless you had your parent come in and get it back. since we didnt have much money and to save myself from a good ass kicking i obeyed :nod: my son does as well.
this whole thing just sounds like a bunch of kids screaming ''Waaaah the rules apply to me!''
Frosty
02-08-2010, 11:43 PM
...or it sounds like an adult overreacted to a Lego ;)
NastyEllEssWon
02-08-2010, 11:53 PM
its just that this isnt an isolated incident in recent years. there was the finger bang bang kid, the chicken finger bang bang kid, the g.i joe toy gun kid and the cap gun kid from texas i recall. either way. its known and stated that no ''simulated'' weapons are allowed. this can be a variety of things and the child should be punished accordingly. a few days out of school seems appropriate. i bet you he never does this again. :wink:
either way, its nothing new, nothing anyone should be shocked over because there have been plenty of ''overreacting examples'' over the last few years. its just laughable that there are so many ''i know its the rules but this is crazy'' comments. rules are there. they arent new. these rules have been around since columbine....which ironically happened before these kids were born.
once again....waaaah the rules apply to me
Savage_Messiah
02-08-2010, 11:56 PM
the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?
maybe because he's a nine year old kid
Firebird92
02-09-2010, 12:27 AM
With grammar like that you should not be reproducing, seriously.
to bad grammar means nothing on a genetic level "seriously".
if you don't like my grammar, spelling or punctuational; then don't read it, fix it , tell an admin to remove it, or just sit back and shut up.
you got you internet correction award for today... :loser:
NastyEllEssWon
02-09-2010, 01:24 AM
down to the end of it kasey......toys dont belong in school. no matter what they are.
Savage_Messiah
02-09-2010, 01:58 AM
Are you a Puritan, Jay? :lol:
sweetbmxrider
02-09-2010, 07:18 AM
rules are made by humans and we **** everything up so you really have no ground with that. who knows what damaging effects could be occurring from any zero tolerance policy? stop inciting arguments, you don't have one.
Jensend
02-09-2010, 08:44 AM
After 35 year as a classroom teacher, I can tell you that, especially in recent years, teachers have absolutely no discretion when it comes to matters of policy or policing of established policies. Between incidents of in-school violence and lawsuit happy individuals, schools have become absurdly over regulated places. Reason and common sense have given way to a "zero tolerance" mindset based on worst case scenarios.
It's the kind of world we can expect to get more of unless people start to become more realistic and self- reliant. If we expect someone else to be responsible for making judgments for, and protecting us from, everything and everyone, it shouldn't be a surprise that the rules will get progrssively more absurd and pointlessly harsh. More often than not, rules simply provide for punishment after the fact. rarely do most rules have the power to prevent real problems.
Not so sure any grammar school kid needs to serve detention for drawing pictures of pirates etc.- especially in light of the popularity of the Pirates of the Caribbean. That kind of narrow interpretation of policy needs to be challenged. Sure, let the kid serve the detention, but then go to a Board of Ed. meeting and ask some thoughtful and politically uncomfortable questions.
Years ago, my sons (8 and 10) were told by a " school substance assistance that my wife (a non drinker) and I were likely alcoholics because they mentioned to her that I collected wine. After reassuring my sons, we arranged a meeting with the counselor, several other concerned parents and the school Principal. Turned out, the counselor was opposed to all alcohol based on personal religious beliefs. The matter was handled by district administrators after that. Some things need to be challenged.
bad64chevelle
02-09-2010, 08:56 AM
down to the end of it kasey......toys dont belong in school. no matter what they are.
I guess you never went to Kindergarten?
LTb1ow
02-09-2010, 09:34 AM
you have no constitutional rights in a school. which is why freedom of speech doesnt apply. they have rules and the rules are there to abide by. how about you follow the rules and no one will have a problem.
the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?
Ok Mr. marijuana activist... how bout you follow the rules?
Or do they not apply to you cause you are special?
Knipps
02-09-2010, 09:53 AM
Ok Mr. marijuana activist... how bout you follow the rules?
Or do they not apply to you cause you are special?
He does not participate in such activities, he just believes the rules should be changed. Have I got that right Jay?
Honestly, the whole thing is a mess, 0 tolerance means the kid couldn't have the toy gun in school. Do I think the punishment was a little excessive? yeah, but not every punishment is paired up fairly with the infraction. The kid got a few days off from school, he probably enjoyed himself, his parents are making a big deal of it and it's just time to move on with our lives...
LTb1ow
02-09-2010, 10:26 AM
He does not participate in such activities, he just believes the rules should be changed. Have I got that right Jay?
Honestly, the whole thing is a mess, 0 tolerance means the kid couldn't have the toy gun in school. Do I think the punishment was a little excessive? yeah, but not every punishment is paired up fairly with the infraction. The kid got a few days off from school, he probably enjoyed himself, his parents are making a big deal of it and it's just time to move on with our lives...
Thats what I was going after, how can someone be so adament about rules being set in stone and can never ever be broken but at the same time get to pick other rules that they don't like and try to change... :?:
sweetbmxrider
02-09-2010, 10:30 AM
:shock: that.......almost......makes......sense!
Thats what I was going after, how can someone be so adament about rules being set in stone and can never ever be broken but at the same time get to pick other rules that they don't like and try to change... :?:
There's a word in a dictionary for this...
WildBillyT
02-09-2010, 10:53 AM
There's a word in a dictionary for this...
Starts with an H, right?
Starts with an H, right?
Smart man!
69BirdX
02-09-2010, 11:12 AM
2nd amendment has nothing to do with being allowed to own a gun...........but lego guns hell yea
Dark_Knight7096
02-09-2010, 11:50 AM
2nd amendment has nothing to do with being allowed to own a gun
Unsure about this statement. Sarcasm or...???
And Jay, do you honestly have any right to talk ill of a child bringing a toy gun to school? IIRC, pretty sure you have no grounds to comment on that subject.
NastyEllEssWon
02-09-2010, 12:13 PM
Unsure about this statement. Sarcasm or...???
And Jay, do you honestly have any right to talk ill of a child bringing a toy gun to school? IIRC, pretty sure you have no grounds to comment on that subject.
as a father of a 7 year of boy im pretty sure i have the grouds :nod: and if you REALLY recall....I of all people should be against zero tolerance. i mean...really...if you recall correctly.
as for the MJ laws, yes we are fighting for legalization. until then we operate WITHIN the law WITHOUT breaking it. not everyone in america that advocates or even uses MJ is breaking the law. :nod:
BonzoHansen
02-09-2010, 01:07 PM
as a father of a 7 year of boy im pretty sure i have the grouds then you know that it is impossible to know exaclty what your kid takes to school with them everyday. even if you search the bookbag daily, a small toy can be grabbed and put in a pocket or whatever w/o a parent having any idea.
sweetbmxrider
02-09-2010, 01:13 PM
so mr nasty, you have video games in the house right? do you keep your child sheltered from them? do you censor everything he watches on tv? do you not like loud things? be real, boys are boys and we like what we like
Frosty
02-09-2010, 01:21 PM
I understand what Nasty is saying, in a way he IS right....a rule is a rule...but there needs to be some discretion and common sense used in handing out the punishment.
sweetbmxrider
02-09-2010, 01:33 PM
rules are open to interpretation, as are statues and laws. the judiciary system is full of checks and balances for that reason alone.
Frosty
02-09-2010, 01:34 PM
That's why I said common sense needs to be used ;)
Brendan713
02-09-2010, 02:10 PM
My six year old got detention for drawing a picture of pirates shooting guns. Go figure.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats great im sorry it is were you laughing when you found out about that?
NastyEllEssWon
02-09-2010, 02:46 PM
so mr nasty, you have video games in the house right? do you keep your child sheltered from them? do you censor everything he watches on tv? do you not like loud things? be real, boys are boys and we like what we like
yup, he has his own video game system with only games i approve of. he's not allowed to play with my xbox because the games i own are too mature for a 7 year old child. my son is also not allowed to watch certain programming on tv as well. yes i do monitor what my child does.
we love loud things....cars, trucks, sports, metal whatever have you and boys will be boys. my son has tons of gun toys and he goes out with his friends and they run around playing cops n robbers and whatever have you. the difference is my son knows he's not allowed to bring toys to school and leaves them for playtime at home.
boys will be boys and boys will get in trouble. my son has gotten in a fight in school this year and suspended for it. even though he wasnt the one to start the fight both boys were suspended. was i mad??? not really. we had a talk, he explained what happened and I understood that even though IT WASNT HIS FAULT, the rules still subjected that he be suspended as well. did i post up crying that its not fair and the rules need interpretation? nope....i took him out for ice cream and a pat on the back :lol:
sweetbmxrider
02-09-2010, 04:49 PM
so you encouraged the bad behavior/rule breaking? call me ignorant but i don't get that.
NastyEllEssWon
02-09-2010, 05:22 PM
so you encouraged the bad behavior/rule breaking? call me ignorant but i don't get that.
no because he didnt break the rule. he defended himself which i am very proud of. i just understand that the RULES provide that it doesnt matter who started it they both get punished. even if he didnt defend himself he wouldve been suspended, so which is why he didnt get punished.
LTb1ow
02-09-2010, 06:33 PM
no because he didnt break the rule. he defended himself which i am very proud of. i just understand that the RULES provide that it doesnt matter who started it they both get punished. even if he didnt defend himself he wouldve been suspended, so which is why he didnt get punished.
Um, what?
He broke the rule, you admit that, and yet, you also admit you rewarded him cause of it. :?:
Where is the logic there?
69BirdX
02-09-2010, 08:16 PM
Unsure about this statement. Sarcasm or...???
And Jay, do you honestly have any right to talk ill of a child bringing a toy gun to school? IIRC, pretty sure you have no grounds to comment on that subject.
It was a little of both. When I the second ammendment was written it had nothing to do with gun. The british were still in America and sleeping American homes and takig the over. So the right to bear arms basicly gives you the right to defend your own home from foreign invasion.
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