are people insane ?

[Firebird92]

ok, well i got my check from uncle SAM, looks like he liked me this year so i went out to look for a firebird , anything between 70s and early 90s v8 something nice for 1500-2200. but these people are crazy with the prices.

a 1991 formula 350 130xxx miles with the driver side ground effects all missing the exhaust system on the ground motor, has no oil and the driver side floor had a 2' by 1 foot rust hole form the window being left open for 8 month....
$3400 firm WTF.. and his reason ..oo Pontiac is close so it's a classic

Then a 1989 formula 305 99xxxx that was 800 dollars a year ago now he wants $4000 and the car been there for 9 years now i remember it when i was a kid.

then a 1992 Iroc v6 auto for 5000..... why he was able to put 19s on it and they cost 3000 for the rims and 1000 for the tires . i told him 500 and you can keep the rims.. no no he said it a classic ????

is it me or something because the economy is in the toilet, no one has money i would think this be the time to buy a used car, when people need the money the most.

but man all i want is a 2nd or 3rd gen with a v8 the runs.. little to no rust or body damage that's it, i don't even care for the inside it can be a bucket and a steering wheel . -.-

[mc73nova]

Its true, people think they have gold. When I had my trucks a year ago and didnt need a cheap car they were everywhere. Now because of the economy people want twice what they should be asking. As far as F-Bodies, you'll have to try to find one on a forum where they know what they are worth. People on eBay and Craigslist use that whole "classic" thing like crazy. I feel like telling them, you dont have a classic, you have a ratty car that barely runs and I just need some damn transportation! There is a guy 5 minutes from my fathers house with a bright yellow Iroc, not sure what he thinks he has but he wants $8,000 for it and Im not just saying this but my T/A is in better shape and it was under $2,000. Sorry for the paragraph but I feel your pain!

[maroman88]

ok, well i got my check from uncle SAM, looks like he liked me this year so i went out to look for a firebird , anything between 70s and early 90s v8 something nice for 1500-2200. but these people are crazy with the prices.

a 1991 formula 350 130xxx miles with the driver side ground effects all missing the exhaust system on the ground motor, has no oil and the driver side floor had a 2' by 1 foot rust hole form the window being left open for 8 month....
$3400 firm WTF.. and his reason ..oo Pontiac is close so it's a classic

Then a 1989 formula 305 99xxxx that was 800 dollars a year ago now he wants $4000 and the car been there for 9 years now i remember it when i was a kid.

then a 1992 Iroc v6 auto for 5000..... why he was able to put 19s on it and they cost 3000 for the rims and 1000 for the tires . i told him 500 and you can keep the rims.. no no he said it a classic ????

is it me or something because the economy is in the toilet, no one has money i would think this be the time to buy a used car, when people need the money the most.

but man all i want is a 2nd or 3rd gen with a v8 the runs.. little to no rust or body damage that's it, i don't even care for the inside it can be a bucket and a steering wheel . -.-

if someones selling a 92 v6 iroc they have bigger problems then the 19" rims lol

i flipped an 89 formula last year, bought it for 1900, invested 500 and sold for 3600... it was a really nice car actually just needed a little TLC, but it was SOLID. i bought it sight unseen off ebay with 66k miles

[Squirrel]

lol... i bought my 4th gen for under 4 grand, over 5 years ago, lol at people trying to sell everyday 3rd gens for anything over 500

[Firebird92]

Its true, people think they have gold. When I had my trucks a year ago and didnt need a cheap car they were everywhere. Now because of the economy people want twice what they should be asking. As far as F-Bodies, you'll have to try to find one on a forum where they know what they are worth. People on eBay and Craigslist use that whole "classic" thing like crazy. I feel like telling them, you dont have a classic, you have a ratty car that barely runs and I just need some damn transportation! There is a guy 5 minutes from my fathers house with a bright yellow Iroc, not sure what he thinks he has but he wants $8,000 for it and Im not just saying this but my T/A is in better shape and it was under $2,000. Sorry for the paragraph but I feel your pain!


its just crazy man -.- i seen people get spotless 3rd gens for less then 2000 and low miles -.- i really want a nice car to have my firebird i got now is a DD and has alot of problems so i want a summer/spring car now but man it's hard to find one

[JL8Jeff]

I've been looking for a Camaro in the 67-73 range since last May and the prices are still too high. So much for thinking the hurting economy and a lousy summer last year would prompt people to put stuff up for sale at a reasonable price. Right now we're coming off the recent auction week so everybody raised their price after watching that on tv.

[enRo]

There is a guy 5 minutes from my fathers house with a bright yellow Iroc, not sure what he thinks he has but he wants $8,000 for it

Im gonna take a wild guess and say thats the one that's been sitting on rt206 up in Andover for the past 3 years. The cheese fell off his cracker a long time ago if you know what I mean :lol:

I sold my old Pro/Am for $2600 in damn near mint condition with 90k miles on it. The kid who bought it sideswiped a telephone poll, sold it, and someone posted a link to it on craigslist not too long ago, and the guy who bought it off the kid I sold it to wanted $4,000 firm, with telephone poll dent in the 1/4 and all.

[Mike]

the cool thing about owning something is that you can do what you want with it, you can list it for sale for any price you want, or you can take it and donate it or junk it.... ITS YOURS

if you don't like someones price, just move on.

[Featherburner]

Everyone thinks someone else's car should be dirt cheap BUT their car is worth more when they sell it. It's just the way of the world. Look around on here, broken cars asking top dollar.

[Frosty]

lol... i bought my 4th gen for under 4 grand, over 5 years ago, lol at people trying to sell everyday 3rd gens for anything over 500

:rolleyes: Right. I'd take a nice clean well optioned 91-92 GTA or Z28 over a slow, cookie cutter run of the mill LT1 4thgen any day of the week, some people like what they like but what's so special about a 93-94 Fbody? Absolutely nothing aside from the supposed ego that comes with it(which is comical).***For the record I'm just busting balls, I know you hate 3rdgens...I must defend my brethren. :D

Anyway, prices with 3rdgens are weird, some people think they've been touched by God regardless of the condition, others have a clue as to what they're worth. Unfortunately people see SO many clapped out, junked ones for $800 that they start to think that EVERY ONE should be priced that way. Since there are fewer and fewer nice ones the one that have survived are getting top dollar.

I still feel bad for what I paid for mine....I felt like I should have been charged with grand theft auto, lol. The mileage is high(quite frankly the motor is a ticking time bomb even though it's still running well) but you could barely buy the procharger for what the price I got the car for, so there ARE deals out there...you just have to find them.

[T69SS]

Yea, it was the same way when i sold my Mustang and was looking for a truck. I sold a near perfect 99 Mustang GT with 99k on it for 3,000. I started looking at 04 - 08 F150's and the prices were insane! Like everyone has said, people always think that their cars are worth more

[BonzoHansen]

Everyone thinks someone else's car should be dirt cheap BUT their car is worth more when they sell it. It's just the way of the world. Look around on here, broken cars asking top dollar.

the for sale section here and ls1tech, parts included, proves that.

[Savage_Messiah]

:rolleyes: Right. I'd take a nice clean well optioned 91-92 GTA or Z28 over a slow, cookie cutter run of the mill LT1 4thgen any day of the week, some people like what they like but what's so special about a 93-94 Fbody? Absolutely nothing aside from the supposed ego that comes with it(which is comical).

Can say the same for the slow, cookie cutter run of the mill 3rd gens... aka all of them :wink: (except the tta)

[NastyEllEssWon]

the for sale section here and ls1tech, parts included, proves that.





there are a few sellers on here that offer quality car parts and cars for affordable real world prices :lol:

[LTb1ow]

:rolleyes: Right. I'd take a nice clean well optioned 91-92 GTA or Z28 over a slow, cookie cutter run of the mill LT1 4thgen any day of the week, some people like what they like but what's so special about a 93-94 Fbody? Absolutely nothing aside from the supposed ego that comes with it(which is comical).***For the record I'm just busting balls, I know you hate 3rdgens...I must defend my brethren. :D
.

Hah! I'd like to see a 305 with such a unique ignition system like the optispark, and awesome reverse cooling!

Original to boot. :nod:

Heh..

A stock turbo car is bad ass no matter what gen Fbod it is though. 8-)

[Frosty]

Can say the same for the slow, cookie cutter run of the mill 3rd gens... aka all of them :wink: (except the tta)

Says the person that has a oh-so-wonderful 3.4 :rofl: Please............................................ ..............................:moon:

If it wasn't for the advances in the 3rdgens and the end of the smog era the 4thgens wouldn't have been what they were.

BTW, what generation outsold the other? Oh oh....yeah....now sit down and be quiet....:mrgreen::wink:

What generation had more available combinations and options?

Stop now....:D

[BlackTopKing]

Everyone thinks someone else's car should be dirt cheap BUT their car is worth more when they sell it. It's just the way of the world. Look around on here, broken cars asking top dollar.

LOL
this is so true, I know people who bought the Fbody ( or what ever, alot to be mustangs!!!) for like a Grand maybe 2, they dump useless 500-maybe 1000 in the car on JCWhitney ***** still broke and rattly and then say they got top dallor custom car and want 4G's when it finaly breaks and they cant afford to fix it....



But on the note some people want $$$ so bad they will sell dirt, guy on craigs list got 76 or 75 all orignal and nice, want 5,000....slamming deal i went to look and have been thinking of breaking the bank for it ( just not a smart thing for me right now)

But then others want $$$$ so bad that they try to sell 3x its worth....Crazy, guy on craigs got 87, trashed...for 2500.00...

i am like WHATTTTTTTTT...makes me want to call them or go see the car just to tell them how insane they really are...

but we all want Top $$$ for ours, just dont want to pay top $$$ for someone elses.

i say you keep looking and hold your money untill you find what you want at a price you want- they are out there....

and let the craziess suffer with a car for sale sign and no one coming...

[ws6 jim]

I know what you guys mean...
1991 GTA 105K 5800 FIRM
its a classic invest now Pontiac is no longer

[mc73nova]

Im gonna take a wild guess and say thats the one that's been sitting on rt206 up in Andover for the past 3 years. The cheese fell off his cracker a long time ago if you know what I mean :lol:

Thats the one!

there are a few sellers on here that offer quality car parts and cars for affordable real world prices :lol:

I cant give my stuff away!

[Blacdout96]

Says the person that has a oh-so-wonderful 3.4 :rofl: Please............................................ ..............................:moon:

He has a 3.8, rated as one of the 10 best engines of the 20th century...


BTW, what generation outsold the other? Oh oh....yeah....now sit down and be quiet....:mrgreen::wink: 2nd Gen outsold all.

[sweetbmxrider]

eh its quite rare you get what you ask for. throw the price on the high side, get low balled, meet in the middle. how it usually goes for me.

[Savage_Messiah]

Says the person that has a oh-so-wonderful 3.4 :rofl: Please............................................ ..............................:moon:

He has a 3.8, rated as one of the 10 best engines of the 20th century...

thank you

[Frosty]

My bad, I don't read up on lowly V6 Fbodies...still a 15/14 second car...hold on to your balls, oh noes, we're going 14's. :D ;)

2nd Gen outsold all.

...and that's relevant to this discussion how exactly? We're talking 3rd vs 4th...nice try at being witty though.

A for effort, F on execution. :D

****Again, just having fun so no one gets their tighty whities or their diapers(Kasey) in a bunch :D

[sweetbmxrider]

who cares about ets, whats its do from a 40 roll?

[LTb1ow]

who cares about ets, whats its do from a 40 roll?

Mooar slow?

Its a slow ass V6, what do you think its gonna do?

[sweetbmxrider]

get good mpgs and tow boats? cool?er?

[LTb1ow]

The coolest of the cool yo. But still a slow ass V6. Good for old people and little kids.

[sweetbmxrider]

little as in small or little as in brandon?

[LTb1ow]

Like young childern. Slow, and slow.

[sweetbmxrider]

thats cool












er

[LTb1ow]

Only if you throw a cooler for the coolness on yo. Tis the only way to get cool.

[sweetbmxrider]

joe cool? er?

[LTb1ow]

Be cool.

Wait.... what do turd gen's run stock?

Like sub 11s?

[Savage_Messiah]

My bad, I don't read up on lowly V6 Fbodies...still a 15/14 second car...hold on to your balls, oh noes, we're going 14's. :D ;)



...and that's relevant to this discussion how exactly? We're talking 3rd vs 4th...nice try at being witty though.

A for effort, F on execution. :D

****Again, just having fun so no one gets their tighty whities or their diapers(Kasey) in a bunch :D
13 second 3rd gens? :rofl:

[LTb1ow]

Only third gen that goes fast is Bill's. Thatd be the only one I'd drive.

[sweetbmxrider]

bill is cool er than you

[LTb1ow]

But I can shot put Bill. So I win.

:)

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl: this is truth er

[LTb1ow]

Where are all the turd gen nuthuggers er?

[Frosty]

who cares about ets, whats its do from a 40 roll? Roll racing is the only kind of racing

Fixed ;)

[Frosty]

13 second 3rd gens? :rofl:

Sure about that? ;)

[LTb1ow]

Still no answer on stock turd gen 1/4 mile times....

[91chevywt]

Theres more to a street car than just the quarter mile time

[LTb1ow]

Yea having a decent looking car and since turd gens don't qualify, I was being nice.

[Savage_Messiah]

Sure about that? ;)

I'm talking stock...

Yea having a decent looking car and since turd gens don't qualify, I was being nice.

:nod:

Also the 3rd gens I've driven have all felt like boats

[Frosty]

Still no answer on stock turd gen 1/4 mile times....

Anywhere from 14.30-and up. Anyone knows that...the only exceptions being the TTA and Firewawk.

What's your point? Older cars, lower technology, different era. At least the thirdgens have a personality and look all of their own unlike a LT1 Camaro which looks like a Geo Metro on 'roids.

The only reason I brought up times is because Kasey, who owns a car that can barely get out of it's own way is bringing up performance...which is comical. I'm sorry but the only V6 Fbody worth owning is a TTA, which ironically out performs any stock LT1 car on its best day...a bit ironic eh?

[Tru2Chevy]

I'm talking stock...

His '89 L98 GTA in stock form would run quicker ETs than your modded 3.8 has gone, so I don't see what you are getting at.

The only reason I brought up times is because Kasey, who owns a car that can barely get out of it's own way is bringing up performance...which is comical.

While it's not gonna run with a heads / cam LS1 car, Kasey's car certainly isn't stock and would likely surprise you on a dragstrip.

- Justin

[LTb1ow]

Anywhere from 14.30-and up. Anyone knows that...the only exceptions being the TTA and Firewawk.

What's your point? Older cars, lower technology, different era. At least the thirdgens have a personality and look all of their own unlike a LT1 Camaro which looks like a Geo Metro on 'roids.

The only reason I brought up times is because Kasey, who owns a car that can barely get out of it's own way is bringing up performance...which is comical. I'm sorry but the only V6 Fbody worth owning is a TTA, which ironically out performs any stock LT1 car on its best day...a bit ironic eh?

Well since no one paid attention to my first post, I jumped on teh turd gen hater bandwagon. :lol:

[Frosty]

Also the 3rd gens I've driven have all felt like boats

Really? I thought the exact opposite...I loved my 4thgen Z but my old red GTA out-handled it. I have Tokico shocks here for the current GTA, curious to see how it handles after they go on.

I'm not bashing 4thgens, if I could get my hands on a LS1 WS6 I would in a heartbeat but the arrogance of 4thgen owners gets annoying sometimes....maybe it's just me...I'd take my GTA over most 4thgens....even if the car isn't 100% perfect(close)

[Frosty]

Well since no one paid attention to my first post, I jumped on teh turd gen hater bandwagon. :lol:

No one really pays attention to what you have to say.

Now go post more nitrous questions somewhere. :mrgreen::moon:

[Savage_Messiah]

Anywhere from 14.30-and up.

The only reason I brought up times is because Kasey, who owns a car that can barely get out of it's own way is bringing up performance

Previous best was 14.7 with a dying trans and high mileage engine

[LTb1ow]

His '89 L98 GTA in stock form would run quicker ETs than your modded 3.8 has gone, so I don't see what you are getting at.



While it's not gonna run with a heads / cam LS1 car, Kasey's car certainly isn't stock and would likely surprise you on a dragstrip.

- Justin

Cause of how slow as balls it is?

[Frosty]

While it's not gonna run with a heads / cam LS1 car, Kasey's car certainly isn't stock and would likely surprise you on a dragstrip.

- Justin

Nah it's quick for what it is.

[LTb1ow]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/11/128945254081573715.jpg

Turd gens are slow, but any V6 car just sucks.

[Frosty]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/11/128945254081573715.jpg

Turd gens are slow, but any V6 car just sucks.

O RLY?

[LTb1ow]

O RLY?

Really. Really. *





* try to get a rise out of V6 fanboi.. ha a rise.. hahahaha :lol:

[Frosty]

heh hehehehehe, he said rise

[LTb1ow]

So third gen vs 4th gen day this spring?


Minus Bill and Vinny, they have way to fast cars. :rofl:

[Tru2Chevy]

Sure.....we'll get Jeff to bring his 3rd gen out instead of Bill.

- Justin

[LTb1ow]

Sure.....we'll get Jeff to bring his 3rd gen out instead of Bill.

- Justin

Otay.

I am thinking, that a 3rd gen owner aptly pointed out, there is more to a car than a 1/4... so lets have a rust spot/faded paint contest as well.

[91chevywt]

Otay.

I am thinking, that a 3rd gen owner aptly pointed out, there is more to a car than a 1/4... so lets have a rust spot/faded paint contest as well.

I drive a 2nd gen with a 4th gen drivetrain...does that average out to a 3rd?

I like how the 4th gen drivers are the ones to talk the most crap

[LTb1ow]

I drive a 2nd gen with a 4th gen drivetrain...does that average out to a 3rd?

I like how the 4th gen drivers are the ones to talk the most crap

Comes with the crown and the pedestal.

[BigAls87Z28]

4th gens suck, just give me the LS1!!

edit: screw the LTSlow!

[LTb1ow]

w00t w00t screw the generation debate. LT1 > *

[HeadlessNorseman]

glued on plastic door panels and fiberglass roof? no thanks!

[LTb1ow]

glued on plastic door panels and fiberglass roof? no thanks!

crappy ass 305s? no thanks!

[mc73nova]

To be completely honest, I think my T/A handles quite well. The best handling car I have ever owned was an RX-7, I dont think any F-body could keep up with that thing stock to stock. How do you like them apples!

[LTb1ow]

I am not a fan on fruit thank you very much.



:)

[HeadlessNorseman]

crappy ass 305s? no thanks!

thats cause 350 sbc is still ftw. and you dont have to install headers or own a jack to change the plugs

[HeadlessNorseman]

To be completely honest, I think my T/A handles quite well. The best handling car I have ever owned was an RX-7, I dont think any F-body could keep up with that thing stock to stock. How do you like them apples!

3rd gens DO handle better than 4th gens. And yes IRS is def king on the street handling wise. Wish i could get some power out of my 924 to match the handling and braking power. i still love me some solid axles tho!

[LTb1ow]

3rd gens DO handle better than 4th gens. And yes IRS is def king on the street handling wise. Wish i could get some power out of my 924 to match the handling and braking power. i still love me some solid axles tho!

Yea too bad its buried under like a foot of snow.

[Firebird92]

DAMMMMNNN:jake:ahha

But i need a little advice ok
so after like a week and 4 tanks of gas i found a
a 1989 L98 V8 with a 700r4 and full wire harness & computer out a camaro ....... price 600 :w00t:
now the problem is that 4 other guys are eye balling it so i need be quick

now should i just get the motor and swap it in my car, and kick the v6 to the curb.

now i know i will have to go over this motor with a fine tooth comb as well as the trans and harness. but i know i need to get different motor mounts, springs, brakes, exhaust and basically turn it into a V8 bird. rockauto has alot of the parts i need but i was just wondering want you guys think. is it a good idea it's my first swap and my car has no rust or frame damage it's just a beaten bird lol.

so should i keep looking or had i found my golden egg ?

[enRo]

I've owned 4 third gen's and currently on my first fourth gen... 3rd gens handle rather well, and TBH I enjoyed driving my 86 T/A and my 89 Pro/Am more than my LS1. Sure, they are slow as hell, there's nothing to argue about that, but the ride quality and handling was very comforting.