Is this totaled? (pic)

[fmybody]

2005 honda civic ex special edition sedan my friend slid on some ice and hit a pole =/ shes fine but she wants to know if her car is "totaled" so i told her id ask you guys..

she said the guy drove it onto the truck so i guess at least the motor is in some what of working condition.. shes a girl and she could tell me much

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/jonarroyo/cait_accident.jpg

[Mark B]

Book on it is about 10k. It will probably be fixed.

[redbanditZ28]

I am no expert but it looks like it is to me. When I've been on autotrader.com looking for a car, they have pics of some cars for sale that were totaled and some didn't look as bad as that. I would think if the frame of the car is damaged or bent, they probably would say its totaled. When my mom had her Subaru totaled by a guy that ran a light years ago, the engine still worked and the car could move on its own, but they still totaled it. Glad your friend is okay.

[1994lt1]

If it isnt totaled it will be very close Im sure.

[BurninrubberGT]

any frame damage? airbag go off?

if niether than i dont think its totaled, a good amount of damage though

[DevilDougWS6]

assuming the frame isnt bent it looks like it will need a hood, front bumper, fog lights if they were there, grill, fender well splash guards, valance splash guard, trans/oil cooler, radiator, and anything that is behind the front subframe, which im not familiar with hondas that much so it could be washer bottle, hood latch etc etc.


could be a bit pricey to repair.

[miketa95]

my 88 camaro was totaled with less damage than that.

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/MikeTA95/The%20Camaro/037.jpg

I'd assume there's definitely frame damage too, my girlfriends mint condition cougar was totaled with "frame damage" when all that was visible from the outside was the bumper cover being all waked out after being rear ended.

[Scrat's_Camaro]

if the airbgas went off then its a good possibility they will total it. i seen alot of cars with very minimal damage but were totaled out cause of the airbags being blown.

[sweetbmxrider]

any frame damage? airbag go off?

if niether than i dont think its totaled, a good amount of damage though

these are the two big things. air bags especially though.

personally don't think it will be totaled but its just a glance we are getting.

[BurninrubberGT]

my 88 camaro was totaled with less damage than that.

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/MikeTA95/The%20Camaro/037.jpg

I'd assume there's definitely frame damage too, my girlfriends mint condition cougar was totaled with "frame damage" when all that was visible from the outside was the bumper cover being all waked out after being rear ended.


you may have less damage, but it has a lot lower value than the civic does, so it doesnt take as much to total it, i think if the repair is 75% or more than the value of the car, they total it, or atleast thats what they told me when my car was totaled

[//<86TA>\\]

you may have less damage, but it has a lot lower value than the civic does, so it doesnt take as much to total it, i think if the repair is 75% or more than the value of the car, they total it, or atleast thats what they told me when my car was totaled

true, considering the book value on most 3rd gens is only a couple grand.

[ar0ck]

Yes

[transmaro93]

depends also what insurance company she has... they all total at different % of the value of the car.... how many miles on the car plays in also... if the air bags didnt go it probably wont total... but if they did it probably will... if those frame rails are kinked and the bags went off then it definitely will... its hard to tell though in just one picture like that... but if the frame is kinked and the bags went off the motor will ahve to come out and thats just alot of labor added.... let us know what happens...

[DaSkinnyGuy]

Im 99% it is totaled

[fmybody]

the air bag DID go off.. as for the frame.. she doesnt know and i dont think you can tell from the pic..

do you think the air bag would be the icing on the cake?

[sweetbmxrider]

for sure. go car shopping.

[Frosty]

Those rails will need some work, the reinforcement bar is bolted to the rail ends. The radiator support is toast, the air bags aren't cheap for that car.

Like the one response said, the motor may have to come out but I doubt the rails are kinked too far up, if anything the ends are probably shot but they're serviceable, you can just replace them.

As also stated it will depend on the insurance company, every company has different thresholds.

IMO the car is toast...and if not it's VERY close.

I miss my old job :(

[Knipps]

It's toast. Go pick out something nice :lol:

[V]

if cost of repair is 2/3 value of car, most insurance companies will total it.
im pretty sure thats the number.
so if book is 10k, if cost to fix is 6k or more, its done. depending on the shop it goes to could be close.

[WildBillyT]

Even if it isn't totaled, it will never be the same.

How's the roof?

[transmaro93]

Even if it isn't totaled, it will never be the same.

How's the roof?

if its repaired correctly it would be... actually better becuase if its got 100k+ it would have a new condenser radiator new crystal clear headlamps... only problem is that insurance companies dont all use OEM parts so aftermarket stuff sucks... sometimes it doesnt fit right but at that point we force the insurance company to get OEM...

[chrisfrom nj]

i seen cars hit worse then that and a few weeks later look mint again i allso seen cars cut in half and welded together

[fmybody]

if its repaired correctly it would be... actually better becuase if its got 100k+ it would have a new condenser radiator new crystal clear headlamps... only problem is that insurance companies dont all use OEM parts so aftermarket stuff sucks... sometimes it doesnt fit right but at that point we force the insurance company to get OEM...

do they quote it lower when using aftermarket? cause if thats teh case it may be better in somecases in order for the car not to be totalked.. i should have made this a poll.. but yeah the air bags did come out.. and shes pretty upset i told her more than likely it is but you never know..

ill let you guys know when she finds out

thanks for everyones replies

[transmaro93]

well yea its much less money... thats why the companies use them.. but more often than not the parts fit like ass and have to massaged into place...

[fmybody]

well yea its much less money... thats why the companies use them.. but more often than not the parts fit like ass and have to massaged into place...

only time will tell, i think its time for her to upgrade anyways lol

[Firebird92]

2005 honda civic ex special edition sedan my friend slid on some ice and hit a pole =/ shes fine but she wants to know if her car is "totaled" so i told her id ask you guys..

she said the guy drove it onto the truck so i guess at least the motor is in some what of working condition.. shes a girl and she could tell me much

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/jonarroyo/cait_accident.jpg
well my grandfather who worked at a bodyshop since cars where invented lol.
said if airbags popped and the frame is bent more then .5 inch its totaled

but as it being a honda the parts are cheap mean aftermarket and the insurance company knows this, so like about 1-2k in parts and body shop labor is like 3-5k with paint mmm looking at 8 -9k when done. better just to total it out.

[Frosty]

Air bags popping doesn't not make a car a total loss, nor does a bent frame...there is no magic part that makes it a total loss in most states(though it varies state to state).

As far as A/M parts, yes they're cheaper...some parts fit fine, some don't...and if the shop gets some that fit fine they make a KILLING on profit compared to OEM parts(unless they have a good deal with what ever OEM distributor or dealer they use).

[fmybody]

yeah thats what i figured... that when they use aftermarket parts they just keep the profit..

[sweetbmxrider]

well when insurance companies pay $40 an hour for labor, gotta make something somewhere.

[Frosty]

The insurance companies force the shops to use the A/M parts...but some shops don't mind it because if they parts fit OK(meaning they don't have to pay their body guy extra time to get them to fit) they're fine with using the parts. All the shop can charge is list but what it costs them is their business. There very well could be a 40% profit on an A/M bumper cover for that Hon-duh and only a 10-15% profit if the shop got an OEM cover(again, depends on the dealership).

Shops love using A/M radiators and condensers, rarely any issues and they make good $$ off of them...and if the insurance companies makes then use it then it's a win/win.

Some body parts fit like ass though, Keystone is hit or miss, some hoods/bumpers/fenders fit fine, others are a nightmare for a shop to get to line up correctly.

[Frosty]

well when insurance companies pay $40 an hour for labor, gotta make something somewhere.

No body shop in NJ works for $40/hr ;)

The lowest rate as of last summer was $43-44/hr for body/paint. Materials rate is usually around 24-26/hr, mechanical is in the ballpark of 70-75.

[transmaro93]

yea we make $44/hour labor its terrible considering all the crap you have to deal with in autobody... its going to be another buissness where "only the rich can survive" pretty soon... my boss went to an epa/dep seminar last night to find out about new laws... there is some crazy new laws comming and they said if you dont abide by them and they catch you there "can" be a fine "up to" $37k for each day you function like that.. yes $37k i did a double take when my boss told me this... not to mention all the new machines and materials they want you to use... all the little shops are going to be going under really soon i have a feeling... sad but true... BIG GOVT regulation driving people out of work... well now you just sent me off in a rant...seee what you did! long story short... its a hard buisness to make money in... especially if you do your work right and dont cut corners or commit insurance fraud like some people do to make $$$ btw i think adam was just round off to $40

[Frosty]

You're going to see a lot of mom & pop shops close up soon....I really don't know how a small shop(say 3-6 guys) can make any $$ unless you have one sick crew. Between the EPA laws, the price of materials going up AND companies like PPG that require to use XYZ product on top of their paint it's just getting harder and harder to make $$$. Example: PPG requires you to buy an $80 bumper prep kit(1 kit per bumper obviously) if you spray their paint. Insurance companies don't give a rats ass if that's what PPG requires, that's a $80 cut into profit before you even start working on it....(keep in mind that's just one example)

Unfortunately we're going to be left with dealerships and high volume supercenters. Low/medium volume shops are going to be struggle more than than they are now.

[transmaro93]

yea my shop is the largest in brick but yet only has a work crew of 5 guys... one painter... 3 body men and and mechanic... i agree with you on everything you said but what bumper kit are you talking about... we use ppg paints... we were using DBC line, but have just switched last year to their envirobase water born system... but the undercoats are the same... alls we do with bumpers is scuff em down... shoot some 801 adhesion promoter let it sit for a few and hit it with a DP primer/sealer with a special bumper additive to help it stick and then shoot color... iv been there for over 3 years now and i havent really seen any peelers come back... i think i know what your talking about but my boss had a problem with it so he stopped using it.... before i got there of coarse...

[Frosty]

I forget the name of it, it's something to do with the adhesion promoter(it's been a while and my memory is a bit fuzzy lol)

[Knipps]

yes $44/h is terrible :rollseye:

(44*40*52= ~92k in case you were wondering)

[Frosty]

That's not what a tech makes....that is what the shop charges an hour for body/paint labor.....

[BonzoHansen]

yes $44/h is terrible :rollseye:

(44*40*52= ~92k in case you were wondering)

You think a dealer tech makes $100 an hour too? :lol:

[sweetbmxrider]

yes $44/h is terrible :rollseye:

(44*40*52= ~92k in case you were wondering)

yup, all profit too. idiot.

[Mark B]

Not to mention health insurance, bennifits, overhead, insurance & profit for the shop.

[Knipps]

yup, all profit too. idiot.

My bad, when someone says they get $44/h for labor, I'm assuming that's what the person is paid. GFY

[transmaro93]

yea shop makes $44 an hour labor... i wish i made that much!!!... ahhaha still think is a lucrative business???

[Featherburner]

My bad, when someone says they get $44/h for labor, I'm assuming that's what the person is paid. GFYYou know what they say about doing that.:lol:

[Frosty]

yea shop makes 44k an hour labor

That shop better do some DAMN good work for that labor rate. ;):mrgreen:

[transmaro93]

ahhh damn.....

[T69SS]

Even if it isn't totaled, it will never be the same.

How's the roof?

Yes, after an accident like that, that civic will never drive 100% again. It will probably turn into a money pit. Time for somehting new

[transmaro93]

ahhah where are you guys getting your cars fixed???