Drivers that will be 17 untill may 1 or after

[DAcoatAH]

screw this im not waiting untill im 21 to drive past 11:00pm... http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/About/safety_gdl.htm

[LTb1ow]

Wah, sucks to be you.

Don't drive if it makes you so upset. Its not a right.

[Tsar]

3M? If I used other "sticky tape", will I be fined too? :lol:

Well, I'm old enough to bypass this law, so I guess it sucks for someone who isn't. Although it's pretty stupid to say that a 20 year old shouldn't be out past 11pm..

[Tru2Chevy]

3M? If I used other "sticky tape", will I be fined too? :lol:

Not tape - It's 3M brand velcro, because if someone over 21 is driving the car, they are supposed to remove the reflectors.

- Justin

[transmaro93]

till 18 i can understand... but 21.. ehh... matt is right.. driving is a privilege not a right.. but 21 is a little excessive... i was the first year to have to get the provisional liscense at 17 man that was 7 years ago... damn... time flies... i wonder what is next after this law...

[redsoxsstink]

its only for drivers with a GDL, if you have a basic license your clear( the one you get at the age of 18). so if you had your GDL for a year and are eligable for a basic drivers license regardless of your age that law will not apply.

but it still sucks for me, i have to go 5 months until i get my basic. that law will not change anything, stupid people will stil crash regardless of the time of day....

[thunder]

Wouldnt the best way to make drivers better be to make the driving test somewhat challenging?Cause i know plenty of people who are over 21 and are more likely to drive up a tree than use a turn signal

[Tsar]

Not tape - It's 3M brand velcro, because if someone over 21 is driving the car, they are supposed to remove the reflectors.

- Justin
F that, I would not put some velcro crap on my car. Regardless, that's not what that part was about. I was questioning why they said/endorsed 3M and not some other company. Does no one else make it? Does 3m have a deal with NJ State gov? Will "I" be breaking the law if 3M is not used? :lol:

Last question is just for fun.

[V]

i wanna get the labels and put them on my car, give the cops somethign to do at night

[Featherburner]

screw this im not waiting untill im 21 to drive past 11:00pm... http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/About/safety_gdl.htmDid you actually read the law? It doesn't say you have to be 21 to drive past 11:00. You need to have an unrestricted license to drive after 11:00. For most people, that would be 18.

[ryanfx]

...that law will not change anything, stupid people will stil crash regardless of the time of day....

The same thing could be said about speed limits. You gotta start somewhere.

[DAcoatAH]

Did you actually read the law? It doesn't say you have to be 21 to drive past 11:00. You need to have an unrestricted license to drive after 11:00. For most people, that would be 18.

im 17 untill july 21, the law is effective may 1st i wont have my unrestricted licence

[Featherburner]

Not tape - It's 3M brand velcro, because if someone with an unrestricted license is driving the car, they are supposed to remove the reflectors.

- Justin
Fixed

[Featherburner]

im 17 untill july 21, the law is effective may 1st i wont have my unrestricted licenceBut as of July 21 you can remove the stickers and drive after 11:00 because you'll have an unrestricted license.

[V]

yea, not a new law really, just new that they are marking the cars of gdl drivers now

[DAcoatAH]

But as of July 21 you can remove the stickers and drive after 11:00 because you'll have an unrestricted license.

"effective May 1, 2010 all drivers under age 21, who are subject to the requirements of New Jersey’s Graduated Driver License (GDL), which includes those drivers possessing a special learners permit, examination permit or probationary (formerly provisional) license, must display a reflectorized decal on each license plate (front/back) of any motor vehicle they operate.
In addition to the decal requirement, effective May 1, 2010, New Jersey GDL drivers will also be subject to the following restrictions:

* May not operate a motor vehicle after 11:01 p.m. and before 5:00 a.m.
* May not use a hand-held or hands-free interactive, wireless communication device
* Unless over age 21, GDL drivers may only drive with the following passengers: Probationary (formerly Provisional) License Holder
-Parent(s), guardian(s) or dependent(s)
-One additional passenger unless accompanied by a parent or guardian."
dosent this mean i unless i have my UNRESTRICTED licence by may 1st (which i wont) i cant drive past 11pm untill im 21?

[BurninrubberGT]

so this definately doesnt affect everyone under 21? just people without a basic license? because i have seen articles that have said everyone under 21 and articles that say only permits and previsional licenses

[thor117]

how about we focus on the fact that this is actually profiling. which is highly frowned upon in our society as well as being illegal. so they are now making profiling legal. awesome.

[enRo]

Next step: implementing a senior citizen decal. Maybe white in color. Or one of these:

http://www.dtspeaks.com/gebedo/old-people-crossing.jpg

:lol:




It doesn't apply to me... But really, is this suppose to "warn" experienced motorists that there is a new driver on the road?? Is this suppose to help experienced motorists drive extra cautious around these new drivers just because they have a red decal on their license plate, and have a higher risk of getting into an accident? Mind as well put a "Pull me over, I may be tweeting on my cellphone" sticker on the back window. :roll:

[Bcozzi71]

im confused .....so do all driver under 21 have to have these stickers? Or am i grandfathered in and only new drivers have to have the sticker?

[Mike]

"effective May 1, 2010 all drivers under age 21, who are subject to the requirements of New Jersey’s Graduated Driver License (GDL), which includes those drivers possessing a special learners permit, examination permit or probationary (formerly provisional) license, must display a reflectorized decal on each license plate (front/back) of any motor vehicle they operate.
In addition to the decal requirement, effective May 1, 2010, New Jersey GDL drivers will also be subject to the following restrictions:

* May not operate a motor vehicle after 11:01 p.m. and before 5:00 a.m.
* May not use a hand-held or hands-free interactive, wireless communication device
* Unless over age 21, GDL drivers may only drive with the following passengers: Probationary (formerly Provisional) License Holder
-Parent(s), guardian(s) or dependent(s)
-One additional passenger unless accompanied by a parent or guardian."
dosent this mean i unless i have my UNRESTRICTED licence by may 1st (which i wont) i cant drive past 11pm untill im 21?


it is not changing how and when you can get your unrestricted license, it is changing what happens to the people that dont have one

[WayFast84]

its only for people with provisional.. If it were for everyone under the age of 21 they would make the provisional last till age 21.........

NJDMV is so crappy. $4 for stickers? My motorcycle permit is $5. Guess what they did when I finally was able to upgrade my license? They voided my permit. So now I get to give them more money and wait another 20 days till I take my test...

Edit

What CBRMIKE said. You can still upgrade your license within a year you get it. But for the people that don't upgrade and wait for it to expire you have to display the decals.

[DAcoatAH]

it is not changing how and when you can get your unrestricted license, it is changing what happens to the people that dont have one

so when i turn 18 i get an unrestricted licence? even though i dont get it untill a couple months after the law takes effect

[thor117]

being as how I'm 20 now this shouldn't be an issue for me, but the whole profiling is ok thing just bothers me. I'm jewish should i go and sew a yellow jewish star onto my clothes like the nazi's did? or should i just have to put a decal on my car saying that. its just messed up in every respect. if the state feels that they're a hazard to other motorists then maybe the state shouldn't issue them a license. no one group is worse than another, its individuals who screw things up. the media just likes to make ratings off of "another teen driver getting into a horrific(possibly alcohol involved) car crash"
but seriously, if teens have to have a sticker, how about the elderly?

[Mike]

so when i turn 18 i get an unrestricted licence? even though i dont get it untill a couple months after the law takes effect

YES, you get your unrestricted license whenever you already would have as long as you dont screw up, NOTHING is changing about that

[DAcoatAH]

YES, you get your unrestricted license whenever you already would have as long as you dont screw up, NOTHING is changing about that

ok, thanks for clarifying that for me

[WayFast84]

so when i turn 18 i get an unrestricted licence? even though i dont get it untill a couple months after the law takes effect

Technically no. When you have been driving for a full year you can go to the dmv and pay for a new basic license.

[BurninrubberGT]

can I give out stickers to 95% of the idiots in this state that i see driving daily? lol

i wanna get the labels and put them on my car, give the cops somethign to do at night

:rofl: thats a good idea

[DAcoatAH]

Technically no. When you have been driving for a full year you can go to the dmv and pay for a new basic license.

well for me when i turn 18 it will be a full year

[Whiplash Performance]

So all that has changed is now you guys got to put rookie stripes on your license plate when you have a provisional license.

+3 on putting some on my plates to give cops something to do at night.

[BarneyMobile]

I think its a great idea. It would be even better if the police actually enforced it. I don't think its profiling in the least. It seem to me that the only thing it will do is make it easier for the police to catch curfew violators. Everyone seems to think driving is a right, driving is not a right, its a privilege. (Flame Suite On)

[JerzLT1]

if you're 17 with license, YOU ALREADY CANT DRIVE PAST 11PM OR BEFORE 5AM. just put the sticker on your car and go about your business. I agree Rob, until now the only way to know if they're driving past curfew is to pull them over randomly unless they're breaking some other law.

[BonzoHansen]

The sticker idea is stupid. The rest of the GDL rules are fine. Now they can start making plans for seniors. I’m going lazy and regurgitation my thoughts from the last time this came up (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43225&highlight=gdl). And to all you guys with big ideas like increased testing better behind the wheel or anything that costs money, take note of the state budget crisis and comments like "NJDMV is so crappy. $4 for stickers?". People are cheap, and are already taxed to the gills for programs.

Graduated licenses are good, now they need to enforce them. Last I read it's a secondary offense so cops can't pull a group of kids over simply because there is a kid driving when he is not supposed to be (late night, car full of kids, etc).

Every time I've looked at per mile crash stats, it's like this:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8075/drivers.jpg

I don't have actual stats handy right now, so I paraphrased what I have read.

that is why policies skyrocket when driving aged kids are around. The numbers are staggering. I had fun with the wording, but the graph is on the money.

…BTW, they are going hard after kids 1st because they don't vote or really pay taxes like the 65+ up AARP crowd. Once the kid laws are firmly in place then the AARP has less of an argument for cracking down on the older drivers. Politics matter, and the stats bear out the actions.

I already said I'm not sure a tag is worth anything, but it's not like a cop can't see a kid is driving. But kids today are not paying attention to the laws. I read an article in the paper a few months ago where a reporter sat in a high school parking lot and counted the cars driven by students with 3+ kids in the car, which appears to be against the provisional license law. But the cops cannot pull them over just for that. So how do you guys propose the get kids to adhere to the laws?

You cry all day about kids not being treated fairly, but the fact it is just like a credit report. If you have no history it is as bad as having a bad history. Kids have no history, so you judge them by statistical fact. And the facts show kids crash a lot. Welcome to being a grown up. Life can be unfair, deal with it.

That graph I made up before, well, here is a real one from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. I wasn't too far off, huh? Stats have not changed much over the years I guess.

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/images/older_people3.gif
And a big part of fatality part for the elderly is they are old and don't heal as easy.

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/older_people.html
http://www.iihs.org/research/topics/teenagers.html

And to those asking why the state is 'wasting time' with this, it's called car insurance rates. Lower those ends of that curve and rates go down for all of us. Then politicians can claim they helped push rates down and get re-elected. After the work over the young, then they can use the data to institute programs geared towards the older drivers. By then you guys will be old and be pissed they are targeting older drivers. I giggle at the irony.

Fact is young and old people get in the most accidents by far. You have to handle the kids first because they don't vote and don't pay taxes - no politician has lost his job due to pissing off teenagers. That's life, get over it or go cry in the corner. I say screw the stickers and just let cops pull over cars by making provisional license primary offenses.


Trying to argue with a teenager and tell him that he doesnt know everything is like trying to nail jelly to the wall. They're just going to turn around and say "yes we do" or as in the case of some of the arguments here "other teenagers don't know everything, but I know I do"…I still don't know everything. But when you finally admit that to yourself and get off your own high horse, then you stop being a danger to the people in the other lanes.I just quoted this so I could again say ha ha, you’re growing up!

[CHRIS67]

Next step: implementing a senior citizen decal. Maybe white in color. Or one of these:

http://www.dtspeaks.com/gebedo/old-people-crossing.jpg

:lol:


Totally agree, especially in the Roxbury mall area. Aggggggg!

[WildBillyT]

The sticker idea is stupid. The rest of the GDL rules are fine. Now they can start making plans for seniors. I’m going lazy and regurgitation my thoughts from the last time this came up (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43225&highlight=gdl). And to all you guys with big ideas like increased testing better behind the wheel or anything that costs money, take note of the state budget crisis and comments like "NJDMV is so crappy. $4 for stickers?". People are cheap, and are already taxed to the gills for programs.








I just quoted this so I could again say ha ha, you’re growing up!

1.) Should I just make this a sticky? LOL

2.) Comparing this to WWII era Jewish registration is a HUGE jump. Not even close to the same thing.

3.) It doesn't matter what they tell kids to do. Put them behind the wheel of damn near anything and they will still recklessly kill themselves. Here's the formula- key in ignition, foot to floor, tree in engine bay. I don't see how a sticker will do jack. This is a colossal waste of money for a state with very little of it.

[sweetbmxrider]

....tooo.......much.......stupid!!!!!!!!!!!

yes, graphage

[WayFast84]

First of all I haven't had a ticket or an accident and I took a defensive driver course to lower my insurance(10%) which Is still sky high. Second the reporter that sat in the school parking lot didn't go up to them and ask "so which one of you is related to the driver" I am willing to bet that over half of those drivers had a sibling or more in the car which is legal. How many of those kids had been driving for a year? Some people do turn 17 and start driving junior year...

The bottom line is you can be a good and safe law abiding GDL licensed citizen and need to be out driving past 11:00. What will happen when a family is at get together and the parents had to much to drink? A child has a gdl and drives the parents home and gets pulled over. He is now f&*(*d.

The family should have stayed the night or called a cab I know. You guys have thought of it all. Bottom line this does nothing to punish the reckless teen drivers and reward the good teen drivers but it does single them all out to get money for the DMV...

I wonder how much a year in surcharges it will be if you get caught.

[LTb1ow]

First of all I haven't had a ticket or an accident and I took a defensive driver course to lower my insurance(10%) which Is still sky high. Second the reporter that sat in the school parking lot didn't go up to them and ask "so which one of you is related to the driver" I am willing to bet that over half of those drivers had a sibling or more in the car which is legal. How many of those kids had been driving for a year? Some people do turn 17 and start driving junior year...

The bottom line is you can be a good and safe law abiding GDL licensed citizen and need to be out driving past 11:00. What will happen when a family is at get together and the parents had to much to drink? A child has a gdl and drives the parents home and gets pulled over. He is now f&*(*d.

The family should have stayed the night or called a cab I know. You guys have thought of it all. Bottom line this does nothing to punish the reckless teen drivers and reward the good teen drivers but it does single them all out to get money for the DMV...

I wonder how much a year in surcharges it will be if you get caught.


Wah.... wahhh .... wahhh spoken like a true teenager. The world is against you...


You don't think an officer would show some discrepancy in the situation you drempt up?

[BurninrubberGT]

next step: Implementing a senior citizen decal. Maybe white in color. Or one of these:

http://www.dtspeaks.com/gebedo/old-people-crossing.jpg

:lol:



totally agree, especially in the roxbury mall area. Aggggggg!

yes!!!!!

[Featherburner]

it is not changing how and when you can get your unrestricted license, it is changing what happens to the people that dont have oneThank You!


ok, thanks for clarifying that for meWhat have I been saying?:banghead:

You don't think an officer would show some discrepancy in the situation you drempt up?Really?

[79T/A]

being as how I'm 20 now this shouldn't be an issue for me, but the whole profiling is ok thing just bothers me. I'm jewish should i go and sew a yellow jewish star onto my clothes like the nazi's did? or should i just have to put a decal on my car saying that. its just messed up in every respect.

I gotta say, I can respect your opinion on profiling but you're comparing apples to oranges with this one. It's not illegal to be Jewish and drive with more than two passengers in the car. It IS illegal to be 17 and drive with a car load of your peers. All this does is mark the car so the officer has PROBABLE CAUSE for the stop versus REASONABLE SUSPICION. Same thing. Not illegal to be Jewish and drive after 11:01, but it IS illegal if you're 17. The sad fact is that despite the laws being in place, SOME KIDS WILL BREAK THEM EVERY CHANCE THEY GET. Don't believe me? Spend a day in municipal court to see how many are there for tickets GDL violations. Same goes for criminal law, and if you don't believe me on that one, spend a day in Family Court.

And in all honesty, I can't speak for every LEO out there, but if a kid's driving his drunk parents home and a cop tickets him/her for it, that cop's a douche and needs to go back and re-read the definition of the word 'discretion.'

[V]

And in all honesty, I can't speak for every LEO out there, but if a kid's driving his drunk parents home and a cop tickets him/her for it, that cop's a douche and needs to go back and re-read the definition of the word 'discretion.'

i was just thinking that, all the cops i know and am friends with wouldnt ticket in that situation, just for breaking curfew.




but the only problem i see with this is, ok so a kid is out and a party or wherever, maybe even youth group... and goes to drive home or somewhere after 11pm... whats stopping the teenager from removing the little velco-attached squares... really now....? cuz i would and take my chances

[LTb1ow]

Its a 100 dollar fine.

[Knipps]

OK so I haven't read 2 pages of BS but did anyone bother to read this?


Get a basic driver license
You must be at least 18 years old
Complete the unsupervised driving period
Go to any MVC Agency with your provisional license and other documents to pass the 6 Point ID and Address Verification
Pay $24 license fee
For your convenience, MVC accepts American Express® card, MasterCard® card, Visa® card, checks, money orders and cash.


AKA if you're 18 with a full license the law doesn't affect you.

[Featherburner]

OK so I haven't read 2 pages of BS but did anyone bother to read this?




AKA if you're 18 with a full license the law doesn't affect you.Welcome to page one.

:wink:

[NJ346]

I'm glad I'll be 19 in June. From my understanding, this law doesn't affect my driving privileges .

[Tru2Chevy]

well as if the nj economy already didnt suck anyone who works late is screwed and any business that profits from late night customers is screwed. oh wait didnt you all stay out late when you were 19 & 20? so thats a bs statement. if your gonna f off behind the wheel your gonna do it reguardless of mommy n daddy nj telling you not to only now you'll do it later in life. maybe everyone over 21 shouldnt be able to drive after 11 since omg isnt drunk driving the number one killer of whoever is making the graph.nj has to be the best communist state in the union. how about the parents do their job and teach their damn kids not to be stupid. oh no dont blame the parents no lets pass responsibility to someone else. liberal yuppie ************************ who are out of touch with reality. at 19 i was getting ready for a deployment over seas tell me i cant drive at night and i'll show you where to stick it.

Once again....the curfew / rules about who you can have in the car / sticker on the plate only apply to those who still have a graduated license (17 year olds). Once you have been driving for a year (typically on or shortly after your 18th birthday) you can go to the DMV and turn in your graduated license to receive a standard license and non of these rules will apply to you.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

It appears being old enough to drive does not equate with being old enough to read, lol. :lol:

And aren't there laws about how late under 18 can work? Might be 16 and under, I forget now, been too long since it mattered to me.

[Tru2Chevy]

It appears being old enough to drive does not equate with being old enough to read, lol. :lol:

And aren't there laws about how late under 18 can work? Might be 16 and under, I forget now, been too long since it mattered to me.

~10 years ago when it applied to me there were restrictions about kids under 16 working a certain number of hours or past a certain time of night (8:00pm IIRC). At 16 I was working until midnight or later a few nights a week though.

- Justin

[NJ346]

Labor laws for 17 and under in NJ is that they are allowed to work from 7am to 10pm, and I believe a maximum of 24 hours a week while high school is in session.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

http://jalopnik.com/5502155/new-jersey-now-requires-pointless-red-sticker-for-probationary-drivers

[thor117]

"Proponents argue these restrictions act to limit high-risk activities during high-risk times of day young drivers are so drawn by, and thus reduces fatalities." - http://jalopnik.com/5502155/new-jersey-now-requires-pointless-red-sticker-for-probationary-drivers

how is the sticker limit high risk activities during high risk times. they still can't drive at night when you guessed it, the roads are emptier. they're still driving at the same times during the day on the ever crowding roads

[LTb1ow]

The one post on that link that stood out was the one about, what happens when a pedophile claims that these helped him find young girls.... lovely job the state is doing labeling em for him.

[sweetbmxrider]

The one post on that link that stood out was the one about, what happens when a pedophile claims that these helped him find young girls.... lovely job the state is doing labeling em for him.

that is the dumbest thing ever. i can't express with words how much this statement angers me and how much i disagree with it.

edited for teh newb

[LTb1ow]

that is the dumbest thing ever. i can't express with words how much this statement angers me and how much i disagree with it.

Explain then.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Explain then.



your statement is on the parallel of saying we should keep the locations of schools or ban schoolyards/playgrounds because pedophiles can easily find the kids there.

[LTb1ow]

your statement is on the parallel of saying we should keep the locations of schools or ban schoolyards/playgrounds because pedophiles can easily find the kids there.

Pretty sure they are banned from these places, and being as though young drivers def won't be staying and driving circles in school parking lots,defeats that idea...

But whatever.

[Tru2Chevy]

My mother in law brought up the pedophile point to me the other day (not that it matters to her anymore - her youngest daughter just turned 18 and no longer has her graduated license).

I say that it's easy enough to drive up next to a car and see how young the driver looks....sure looking for red stickers is easier, but not by a huge margin. Not to mention that red sticker does not automatically mean that there is a cute defenseless 17 year old girl behind the wheel that will be easy for said pedophile to attack.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

"Proponents argue these restrictions act to limit high-risk activities during high-risk times of day young drivers are so drawn by, and thus reduces fatalities." - http://jalopnik.com/5502155/new-jersey-now-requires-pointless-red-sticker-for-probationary-drivers

how is the sticker limit high risk activities during high risk times. they still can't drive at night when you guessed it, the roads are emptier. they're still driving at the same times during the day on the ever crowding roads

The reduced traffic argument is weak IMO. It is just as easy to screw up at night because of the reduced traffic, it's just different screwing up. I did my best speeding at night when I was young, no doubt. How many of the way cool street racers that post up do their racing at 3pm vs late night in the dark? I also think a good deal of the late night thing is related to drowsy driving.

IMO it’s all back to the lack of experience thing. A lot of kids don't realize what too tired to drive is until they get older; they underestimate what can happen on the roads that is out of their control, and dark & tired & faster make it all happen a lot faster; they may still over estimate their abilities; whatever the reason it is what it is. I don’t have the data but I bet the accidents per mile for young drivers are even higher than daytime rates.

I still think stickers are dumb, but the laws are not. Probationary drivers can argue until they are blue in the face, stomp their feet, yell it's unfair, but the statistics bear out young drivers get in a lot more accidents per mile. Maybe not ‘you’ (whoever associates with that), but the group in general. Go blame the last 30+ years of 16-20 year olds for ****ing up too much. I helped you with that, I got 3 tickets in my 1st year, and my car got wrecked too, but that was 100% the fault of the other (17 year old) driver - I wonder if that was one or two accidents in the stats, lol. Then there is the **** where I did not get cuahgt or got lucky nothing happened. Like that o-turn I did that one night… So you're welcome. :p

If this is the worse thing that ever happens to you, your life is blessed.

[LTb1ow]

The reduced traffic argument is weak IMO. It is just as easy to screw up at night because of the reduced traffic, it's just different screwing up. I did my best speeding at night when I was young, no doubt. How many of the way cool street racers that post up do their racing at 3pm vs late night in the dark? I also think a good deal of the late night thing is related to drowsy driving.

IMO it’s all back to the lack of experience thing. A lot of kids don't realize what too tired to drive is until they get older; they underestimate what can happen on the roads that is out of their control, and dark & tired & faster make it all happen a lot faster; they may still over estimate their abilities; whatever the reason it is what it is. I don’t have the data but I bet the accidents per mile for young drivers are even higher than daytime rates.

I still think stickers are dumb, but the laws are not. Probationary drivers can argue until they are blue in the face, stomp their feet, yell it's unfair, but the statistics bear out young drivers get in a lot more accidents per mile. Maybe not ‘you’ (whoever associates with that), but the group in general. Go blame the last 30+ years of 16-20 year olds for ****ing up too much. I helped you with that, I got 3 tickets in my 1st year, and my car got wrecked too, but that was 100% the fault of the other (17 year old) driver - I wonder if that was one or two accidents in the stats, lol. Then there is the **** where I did not get cuahgt or got lucky nothing happened. Like that o-turn I did that one night… So you're welcome. :p

If this is the worse thing that ever happens to you, your life is blessed.


QFT.

I still won't admit I am not the best driver in the world. Drives my rents nuts. :lol::lol: But, I did survive the most dangerous part of a young adults life according to insurance company's. 8-)

[spina74]

IMO this new law is profiling. Not that I honestly care, as I have not had my GDL for some time now. In reality they should also be putting stickers on the license plates of senior citizens too. If you choose not to agree with me okay, but many seniors simply can not drive anymore. Many NOT ALL, make random stops, swerve back and forth, hold up the flow, mistakenly push the gas down instead of the brake, and a lot as they get older lose their vision and continue to drive. Another thing that is commonly over looked is the fact that when a teen and an older person get into an accident. The teen is often blamed when many times it is not their fault. For example the kid who's GTO was wrecked. I didn't read the full thread whether it was his fault or not. The police could have said it was him since he was young and driving a sports car. Really if you think about it teens don't cause every accident that occurs between them and someone else. Don't get me wrong THEY DO cause some and so do people who have had their license for many years. This law WILL NOT make any difference in your awareness of how old the drivers around you are. All it is, is to give the people who b**ch and moan about teen drivers an illusion of safety.

[Tru2Chevy]

IMO this new law is profiling. Not that I honestly care, as I have not had my GDL for some time now. In reality they should also be putting stickers on the license plates of senior citizens too. If you choose not to agree with me okay, but many seniors simply can not drive anymore. Many NOT ALL, make random stops, swerve back and forth, hold up the flow, mistakenly push the gas down instead of the brake, and a lot as they get older lose their vision and continue to drive. Another thing that is commonly over looked is the fact that when a teen and an older person get into an accident. The teen is often blamed when many times it is not their fault. For example the kid who's GTO was wrecked. I didn't read the full thread whether it was his fault or not. The police could have said it was him since he was young and driving a sports car. Really if you think about it teens don't cause every accident that occurs between them and someone else. Don't get me wrong THEY DO cause some and so do people who have had their license for many years. This law WILL NOT make any difference in your awareness of how old the drivers around you are. All it is, is to give the people who b**ch and moan about teen drivers an illusion of safety.

First, while I see what you are trying to say about profiling, driving is not a right - it's a privilege. As such, if you don't want to be "profiled" by having a red sticker on your car, you can wait and apply for your driver's license after you turn 21, or not at all if you choose.

Second, the GTO thread clearly states that the older woman ran a stop sign - no way to twist that.

It was mentioned earlier in the thread that the politicians will likely go after senior citizens once this is in place and running as they expect. They go after the teens first because teens can't vote - and senior citizens can, and do to a large degree.

- Justin

[TheV6Guy]

The one post on that link that stood out was the one about, what happens when a pedophile claims that these helped him find young girls.... lovely job the state is doing labeling em for him.

i totally agree with you there! thats what makes this law stupid! young girls will always be getting followed by creeps.

[BonzoHansen]

Another teen speaks up! Welcome to life. It isn't always fair. I'm pretty sure we everyone knows the accident rate per mile goes up a lot from around 65-70 and on, you are not coming up with some startling revelation - that information is already posted. Here is your civic 101 class for the day: You can't go after the older, much larger, much higher tax paying, high voter turnout block first. That's how it works. Get used to it.


The sticker is still stupid. It will go away just like the registration sticker did.

[V]

i didnt even think of the young girl aspect...

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

i didnt even think of the young girl aspect...

For you are not j0n

[spina74]

Another teen speaks up! Welcome to life. It isn't always fair. I'm pretty sure we everyone knows the accident rate per mile goes up a lot from around 65-70 and on, you are not coming up with some startling revelation - that information is already posted. Here is your civic 101 class for the day: You can't go after the older, much larger, much higher tax paying, high voter turnout block first. That's how it works. Get used to it.


The sticker is still stupid. It will go away just like the registration sticker did.

I'm just stating my opinion, that law does not apply to me so they can screw over the 17 year old drivers and drivers with a GDL for all I care. What is messed up about this whole idea is how teens are the ones that they are penalizing, when seniors are just as much to blame(and no they won't go after seniors because that would be "profiling").

[LTb1ow]

I'm just stating my opinion, that law does not apply to me so they can screw over the 17 year old drivers and drivers with a GDL for all I care. What is messed up about this whole idea is how teens are the ones that they are penalizing, when seniors are just as much to blame(and no they won't go after seniors because that would be "profiling").

No. See below.

Another teen speaks up! Welcome to life. It isn't always fair. I'm pretty sure we everyone knows the accident rate per mile goes up a lot from around 65-70 and on, you are not coming up with some startling revelation - that information is already posted. Here is your civic 101 class for the day: You can't go after the older, much larger, much higher tax paying, high voter turnout block first. That's how it works. Get used to it.


The sticker is still stupid. It will go away just like the registration sticker did.

:nod:

Tax payers = voters = relect ability.

[BonzoHansen]

You have to wait. They will clamp down on older drivers someday...just wait for the next one to mow down a farmers market or something. Then when you're old you'll complain, lol.


And it's not profiling,. You are earning your privilege to drive. And they made it a little harder. Next you'll tell me the driver's test is profiling too because they only give it to new drivers.

[spina74]

You have to wait. They will clamp down on older drivers someday...just wait for the next one to mow down a farmers market or something. Then when you're old you'll complain, lol.


So thats all it will take is a few broken bones and possibly a death or 2 huh? I most likely won't complain as my kids will have to drive me around so I can kick back with my smoking jacket, pipe, and coke bottle glasses.

[BonzoHansen]

It might. I'll almost guarantee no elected official will bring it up without a public outcry to do otherwise. It would be political suicide. Welcome to how the world works. Tomorrow we'll talk regressive tax structures.


OOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

You get active, start badgering your elected officials to get off their asses and get on this. Start a grass roots campaign, show them there are plenty of voters who agree with you. That is the only thing they know, votes. Whining about the inequalities of teenage life on a Camaro/Firebird forum will get you no where but giggled at by the no longer teenagers. :p

[LTb1ow]

It might. Welcome to how the world works. Tomorrow we'll talk regressive tax structures.


OOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

You get active, start badgering your elected officials to get off their asses and get on this. Start a grass roots campaign, show them there are plenty of voters who agree with you. That is the only thing they know, votes. Whining about the inequalities of teenage life on a Camaro forum will get you no where but giggled at by the no longer teenagers. :p

Camaro only eh?

I am calling my Representative! Bias!

[3origZlovers]

Saw on the news today that New Jersey is making all drivers 20 and younger attach a red sticker to their license plate. Heard all kinds of pro and con...
just curious as to what everyone thinks about it...is the "stalker" argument legit?
Here in Missouri they just passed a "no text" while driving for the younger drivers, another bill, soon to be passed; will ban texting for all drivers. I think thats a good idea, I've met more than one vehicle edging towards my side of the road because the driver was paying more attention to their phone than to the road.
Does New Jersey have a text ban law?

[thor117]

NJ has a no cellphone law use law. No texting or talking unless using a hands free device. But there is no specific law on texting, its just an overall ban on the use

[Mike]

Its not for all drivers from 17 to 20. Its for drivers 17 to 20 that are STILL ON PROVISIONAL LISENCE.

I also hate that stalker argument. Young female drivers don't complain about high scoool or college parking permits. And love putting on the college stickers.

[V]

I also hate that stalker argument. Young female drivers don't complain about high scoool or college parking permits. And love putting on the college stickers.
...and i love them...

[bubba428]

...and i love them...

thats how I decide what bar i'm going to :nod: