Messed Up Situation

[KirkEvil]

Sorry, I have to vent this out.

I purchased a pt4000 stall from a member on ls1tech with +12 feedback a week ago. I sent him a money order for $500, and he shipped it out quick and even sent me a tracking #.

I got the TC delivered by UPS and the input neck was smashed into an oval shape because the seller did a ****** job packaging it up (Pictures Below). Im not sure what he was thinking packing up a 30lb TC with a few peices of foam and a cost cutters bag.

So I contact the seller pretty pissed, but still respectful, and tell him what happened. I asked for a refund and told him that I would be shipping this back to him. (The shipper is responsible for claims, and they are the one to get compensation from UPS) I really doubted that UPS would award the money based on his ****** job at packaging.

This guy apologizes for the damage, and offers to pay for the damage, telling me to call Yank and get a quote. I talk to yank and they quote $300 to fix it. I tell the seller, then he completely stops answering my calls/texts/PMs for 4 days, which I sent every day. The cool thing about technology is that I can track his activity on LS1tech, and texts are confirmed received. I know he checked them but NO ANSWER.

I then open a claim at UPS to replace the part, claiming its new value of $845. UPS allows the receiver to open a claim, but the shipper gets the final compensation for damage.

Now 4 days since he stopped responding, I just got a text from the seller saying that UPS called him and they are going to cover it. Either he is bull****ting me, or I just made this snake a $445 profit for being a neglectful seller. Im still down the 500 with a broken converter to show for it.

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[nj85z28]

Well hopefully the guy refunds you. I recently shipped a heater only box for a monte carlo out to New Mexico and it arrived broken. I'm doing whatever I can to get UPS to cover it even though the buyer is being really cool about it. If it were me I'd want a refund, and I already offered it to him but he wants to wait until UPS settles it.

If hes any kind of decent guy he will fix this situation for you

[Mark42]

That is unfortunate. But hopefully you will get your money back from the seller.

And I agree that was a poor packing job.

[T69SS]

I would first contact UPS and verify that they spoke with him and are indeed going to cover it

[KirkEvil]

I wouldnt be nearly as pissed if this guy actually worked with me to fix this. Basically Ive done everything from contacting yank to filing the ups claim. The real kicker is that UPS works with the shipper even though Ive done all the work and ended up with the damage and time loss. The seller wont respond to anything I send or call, basically hiding behind his inbox.

Im avoiding going public with this over on ls1tech because I feel like it would make it that much harder to see my money back from this guy

[T69SS]

Im avoiding going public with this over on ls1tech because I feel like it would make it that much harder to see my money back from this guy

Thats probably a good idea for now. Wait a few days and see what happens...

I hope it works out for you

[KirkEvil]

I would first contact UPS and verify that they spoke with him and are indeed going to cover it

I think it is strange that he said UPS would cover it since they havent even inspected it yet, and I have it at my house (I setup for on site inspection). I checked the claims status and it says "Package Inspection Scheduled"

[T69SS]

I think it is strange that he said UPS would cover it since they havent even inspected it yet, and I have it at my house (I setup for on site inspection). I checked the claims status and it says "Package Inspection Scheduled"

Well, that pretty much proves he is bs-ing you there. Really sounds like he is trying to leave you high and dry

[LTb1ow]

**** him, bring it public and have the admins on LS1tech get you his IP/name/addy, file a fraud charge until he gets the idea.

[NastyEllEssWon]

its over 300 bucks so its not fraud or petty theft....thats some good old fashioned larceny :nod:

[transmaro93]

i agree with the two lasts posts... **** him man. Sorry you got burnt man. Its happened to me before and its not a good feeling. Hope it works out for you.

[Jersey Mike]

I used to do M.O.s & checks/cash for my online purchases, but never again. PayPal, while it does have it's moments, comes in handy at a time like this

Good luck, Kirk. Get in touch with UPS ASAP to let them know what's going on and what the seller has been saying. If you can, document your convos.

[Featherburner]

That sucks, Kirk. I hope it all works out in the end.

[WildBillyT]

That sucks, Kirk. I hope it all works out in the end.

Same. As much as I think Paypal is a cash grab, this is why I like to use it.

I was on the selling end of something like this once. Original, complete console out of an LS-6 Chevelle. Not fun. UPS was a bitch to deal with.

[KirkEvil]

I used to do M.O.s & checks/cash for my online purchases, but never again. PayPal, while it does have it's moments, comes in handy at a time like this

Good luck, Kirk. Get in touch with UPS ASAP to let them know what's going on and what the seller has been saying. If you can, document your convos.

At this point im regretting not using paypal. All conversation has been electronic...when he did respond. I think he's afraid to answer my daily phone calls.

[Whiplash Performance]

Man that sucks dude hopefully you'll get your money back from this guy.

[KirkEvil]

Should I start a public thread on this or not on Ls1tech? Its pretty apparent that hes giving me the run around, but its still early since UPS hasnt inspected the damage yet.

I think worse case is that UPS doesnt award the damage cost and I have to hound this guy to take responsibility for the fix-it cost and wait another month to get the money, ship to yank, wait, and get it back.

Not sure what to do right now...

[LTb1ow]

Make a thread on the premise of "worried why he has yet to respond to a shipping issue" ...


Should get his attention, if not, bring out the big guns.

[sweetbmxrider]

you have his address, no? send in teh kohler!


sucks though. ****in hate stupid bs like this

[r0nin89]

I would tell UPS exactly whats happening but possibly leave out the detail that it broke because of bad packing. Tell them it broke in transit and the seller is giving you the run around and you feel hes trying to dupe you for the insurance money and not refund what you payed.

That sounds like insurance fraud to me.

O and to add he will get the money. I had an item that apparently got stolen off the guys front porch when they left it at his house. I'm no thief so I sent him his money back and UPS refunded me. It took a month but its pretty much a classic Seinfeld scenario write off. Your refund isnt worth the hassle of fighting, harassment, and dealing with it so they just make it nice nice.

And I would say that someone handled that package quite rough to do that despite the bad packaging.

[V]

id request your 500 back from the seller. and keep the convertor. then fix it or whatever you wish.

in the end, he still made his 500 plus an extra 345... so he shouldnt care about wanting the part back.

then you can take 300 and have it fixed, of sell it damaged for 100 and buy a different one for say 600 then.

Just tell the seller, since hes getting the total new value refunded, you would like you 500 back to fix the part, claim its 300 repair plus like 75 shipping each way plus $50 for having it packed in a larger, stronger package... so itll cost you 500 to repair hence why you want the 500 back.
see what he says then. If UPS was really giving me back 845 as a seller, id have no problem giving the buyer back his original 500. the buyer would have just made me more money.

[KirkEvil]

Well here is where Im at: The guy does not respond to any of the messages I send via PM, text, or phone calls. So I really have no idea what his intentions are for refunding me.

I emailed UPS notifying them that the shipper is not working with me on this. They responded basically saying that they are in contact with the shipper, and that I would be called later today to schedule a "damage inspection". I find this strange since the shipper sent me a text yesterday saying "UPS called and said they would cover it". Then did not respond to any of my questions about how it was going to be handled.

At this point, Ive already lost a lot of time and patience. I would take my 500 refund or the whatever the cost to fix it would be

[69BirdX]

that sucks. Hope everything works out. If not make it public, someone on ls1tech will go to his house with a baseball bat.

[Blacdout96]

Road trip to his front door? see what the return address is on the box :D

[KirkEvil]

I just talked to UPS and they are picking up the TC tomorrow, and said it should be inspected by next Tuesday at the latest. They then send it back to the original shipper and they cannot reveal any results of whether the damage is awarded to me as the receiver. The shipper gets whatever value to replace the part.

I told the UPS rep my situation with the shipper's lack of communication, and he said under contract the shipper gets notice and awarded value. I get nothing as the receiver and I would have to pursue the shipper for the refund.

screwed.

[Blacdout96]

If he does not communicate with you in the coming week, file a small claims court. Might light a fire under his ass to just send you the money back, less of a hassle for him then to hire a lawyer, take time out of his day to go to court. If he decides to go to court with you well then whatever, btu best not to lay over and let him get away with it.

[KirkEvil]

Finally! I guess a question is kind of an answer, right?

Do not buy anything from 01wssick (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/member.php?u=154498)

[Jersey Mike]

So he's got your $500 M.O., about to have the TC, and possibly the insurance money?

So, ideally, he'd get the broken TC back & the insurance money and send you a refund?--That's probably cheaper than shipping the TC back across country + dishing out the insurance check...


That's ******

[KirkEvil]

Pretty much. He's either really dumb and made out, or really smart and con'd me into insurance fraud.

[Jersey Mike]

I just read through his "My Build for sale! :( " thread on Tech... I'd wager the former

[T69SS]

At least you got some sort of response. Hope all works out ok

[V]

interesting.. i almost wouldnt let ups take the damaged item, and without shipping insurance stated on the original shipping invoice, max UPS will cover is $100. if he at least put $500, then they would cover that. but now i bet he didnt put anything, meaning 100 coverage.

Ive shipped a ton of things and bought stuff all using UPS and ive dealt with them several times. Anytime i ship anything, i declare the value as what i sold it for PLUS shipping costs, therefore if it does get damaged i can refund the entire amount the buyer paid and not be out of pocket on anything and in the end the buyer is happy. however good communication is the key and obviously thats not happening in this case. All said and done, take a lot of pictures and keep notes of who you speak to and when, and have the ups driver give you some type of paper of some kind, they should have some form saying they are picking it up i assume. worst case, he'll get his 500 bucks from UPS and stiff you, then youll need to persue it in greater depth. OR he may get the 500 from UPS and then feel comfortable giving you a refund once he has cash in had, because now he may be feeling he'll get ripped off.. its a tricky situation.



or... f the whole situation... dont give it to ups, say it was useable after all... and go pack it up again, poorly, have a friend mail it to another friend, and have them make their own claim for you lol. but thats just wrong.

[sweetbmxrider]

or... f the whole situation... dont give it to ups, say it was useable after all... and go pack it up again, poorly, have a friend mail it to another friend, and have them make their own claim for you lol. but thats just wrong.

i was about to write this. seriously, i'll ship it to kohler then we'll get you monies!

[KirkEvil]

And, back on topic...the shipper of this fiasco is an idiot. check the link to his visitor messages in my post #27 for an update.

[V]

lol, nice. but now if he refunds you like he says he will, all will be well, too bad u still need a TC. and even if he sends back the MO, which im sure he already cashed, with the receipt(part u tear off the MO and keep) im pretty sure you could get ur money back with his name still on it

[KirkEvil]

lol, nice. but now if he refunds you like he says he will, all will be well, too bad u still need a TC. and even if he sends back the MO, which im sure he already cashed, with the receipt(part u tear off the MO and keep) im pretty sure you could get ur money back with his name still on it

I get shafted regardless of how this ends. He should send me an MO made out to me. I dont need any more of a hassle from this ordeal.

[Blacdout96]

You have any evidence of him officially stating he promises to send you the money back? if so, its evidence against him to pay if he tries to shaft you.

[KirkEvil]

I have a text message where he said he would pay for the damage, and hes now agreed to refunding me in two of the visitor messages in his profile. Saying and doing are completely different things though.

01wssick visitor messages (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/member.php?u=154498)

[KirkEvil]

Update for those that care:

I got into contact with the UPS Account he used to ship the package (It was a pharmacy) and the owner agreed to hold the TC and awarded money until the shipper refunded me. He also informed me that the shipper only put $100 worth of insurance on it. (He's really going to be pissed when he figures that out)

I havent received a response from the seller for days, so I started a public thread on ls1tech: Messed Up Situation from 01wssick (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/negative-trader-feedback/1290490-messed-up-situation-01wssick.html)

I also posted everything in his visitor messages for him to find. Some other member brought up the public thread in 01wssick's for sale thread. I made a comment, and 01wssick snapped. Go to page 3.

My [01wssick] build for sale (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/parts-classifieds/1250117-my-build-sale-3.html)

[WildBillyT]

Update for those that care:

I got into contact with the UPS Account he used to ship the package (It was a pharmacy) and the owner agreed to hold the TC and awarded money until the shipper refunded me. He also informed me that the shipper only put $100 worth of insurance on it. (He's really going to be pissed when he figures that out)

I havent received a response from the seller for days, so I started a public thread on ls1tech: Messed Up Situation from 01wssick (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/negative-trader-feedback/1290490-messed-up-situation-01wssick.html)

I also posted everything in his visitor messages for him to find. Some other member brought up the public thread in 01wssick's for sale thread. I made a comment, and 01wssick snapped. Go to page 3.

My [01wssick] build for sale (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/parts-classifieds/1250117-my-build-sale-3.html)

Kirk:

Devil's advocate. How do you plan on forcing him to refund your money? Couldn't he just leave the TC at the pharmacy and never claim it? UPS would probably like that, too.

[Blacdout96]

Damn, it's getting deep, but that's his fault for shipping it out with a Pharmacy address to hide his true address. Stick it to him good man.

[KirkEvil]

The next big step would be to open a small claims case. I really dont want to have to do that. The owner of the pharmacy realizes that since his account was used to ship it, he has some responsibility, and does not want to be caught in a legal crossfire. Holding the TC and UPS compensation until I get refunded is for both of our securities.

I was informed by the owner of the pharmacy that the shipper only put the default $100 insurance on it. So he is going to have to come up with another $400 out of his own pocket. I never intended to go after the guy like this, but I really have no sympathy for him. He screwed himself by not declaring the value and shipping it unsafely packed.

Im not sure how everything is going to pan out when the shipper realizes he has to pay for the damage.

[NastyEllEssWon]

contact the police in his area. 500 constitutes larceny

[KirkEvil]

He's already going to get butt hurt for $400. Criminal charges will not help anything.

[NastyEllEssWon]

if he refuses to refund then the criminal charges force the issue a bit :nod:

[enRo]

****ed up situation man. That is one of the worst package jobs I have ever seen. It's stunning for any buyer who gets that kind of a poor shipment, with all of the positive feedback the seller has. Hope you get your money back.

[KirkEvil]

Update:

Yesterday I received a text from 01wssick saying:
"Hey, Im sorry this is so ****ed up, I went to Webb's today and the guy that's handling it isnt in the rest of the day but he will be in tomorrow. So Im going in tomorrow to talk to him and confirm how much the claim is and etc. Then I'll get a money order out to you."

Today I got 2 emails from Mr. Webb (The acount holder used by 01wssick to ship the TC), saying:

2:30 pm
"I have not heard from Mr. [01wssick] today. UPS sent us a letter denying the insurance claim. They say the item was not packaged appropriately. I also received the item from UPS today. I will hold onto it until I hear that you have received a refund."

4:00 pm
"I met with Mr. [01wssick] a little while ago. He said he will ship a money order out to you today"

I sent 01wssick a text and got no response. I left a visitor message and got no response. UPS denied the claim due to "Insufficient packaging", meaning 01wssick is at fault for the damage. Im still waiting for a response, and more importantly, to be refunded.

[BigAls87Z28]

Hey man, I hope it works out. Sounds like it MIGHT be clearing up a bit, if he in fact did send out that M/O...

[sweetbmxrider]

did you get his addy from the pharmacy guy?

[r0nin89]

The funny part is the proper amount of insurance woulda been like $.50 more...

[WildBillyT]

The funny part is the proper amount of insurance woulda been like $.50 more...

He was better off not getting it. He saved .50 that way.

UPS denied his claim as it was his fault. The amount of insurance does not matter.

He would have been better off spending $2 for packing materials. That would have saved him a lot of money.

[LTb1ow]

Sooo roadtrip? :)

[Blacdout96]

Caravan road trip?

[KirkEvil]

I have his address, I got it when I first sent him the money order. I shouldnt have any respect left for this guy, but I still feel obligated to keep his identity private, for now.

Im going to keep bothering him to send me back my money for the next few days, then look into filing small claims. Maybe a letter for court appearance in NJ would prompt him to send the money. If he doesnt, I feel I have a strong enough case to win. And ruin all his chances of buying/selling on ls1tech.

[sweetbmxrider]

lets fake your death

[LTb1ow]

lets fake my death and give Kohler all my car parts I have laying around

Sounds good bro! 8-)

[KirkEvil]

I love google. :rofl:

http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww42/KirkEvil/Parts/TC%20fiasco/WoodyHahaha.jpg (http://www.myspace.com/woody16woody)

[NJ Torque]

Wow, he even looks like a fagot.

[BigAls87Z28]

Indiana?? Thats like a quick days drive! Lets fuel up the JSFBOAMobile!!

[sweetbmxrider]

Wow, he even looks like a fagot.

and that's the god's honest truth!

[Blacdout96]

Indiana?? Thats like a quick days drive! Lets fuel up the JSFBOAMobile!!

You guys would have JSFBOAmobile up there you whacky central people. Is it in the shape of the weiner mobile or the partridge bus? :lol:

[LTb1ow]

You guys would have JSFBOAmobile up there you whacky central people. Is it in the shape of the weiner mobile or the partridge bus? :lol:

I'll give you a hint, it has onstarr. ;)

[V]

i was in Indiana sunday... and Illinois, Ohio, pa, ny...

[greenformula92]

You guys would have JSFBOAmobile up there you whacky central people. Is it in the shape of the weiner mobile or the partridge bus? :lol:

i can tell you it is definatly not powered by an LT1. :rofl::rofl:

[BigAls87Z28]

You guys would have JSFBOAmobile up there you whacky central people. Is it in the shape of the weiner mobile or the partridge bus? :lol:

http://imgs.getauto.com/imgs/ag/ga/28/95/1/1G1ZF57589F102895-1.jpg

Boooyah

[Blacdout96]

wow, not even batmobile fins at the rear, or an airbrushing of fistpumping on the hood, I am disappointed...... No matter, load up boys, you got a door to knock on, and a kid to come out from his moms basement!!

[Blacdout96]

i can tell you it is definatly not powered by an LT1. :rofl::rofl:

:rofl: nice

[KirkEvil]

More updates:

I havent heard back from the kid since June 7th. I found his home phone number and called his house. I talked to his Mom, and she insists the TC was packaged properly. I said it was not up to me to determine whether it was UPS's fault or not. In all honesty, I would have liked to see the money awarded by UPS so I would get my $500 back. She went on about how it was packed, and she has sold stuff on ebay, etc...She didnt seem to have the entire story of how her son handled the situation, and thought that since I didnt ask for insurance, I was at fault for the damage.

Long conversation short, the Mother is "looking into" the UPS claim and trying to stick up for the kid, which is to be expected. I said that if nothing is done by Monday, Im submitting for small claims and taking him to court in NJ.

[sweetbmxrider]

nice man do it. get everything you can on paper to bring with you. a journal with dates and **** will help too

[NastyEllEssWon]

take him to small claims court, get your court docket report number and then send it to Judge Alex or Judge Judy. doesnt matter who the judgement is for you'll get your cash, a free trip and a video you can post up on ls1tech of this kid being a loser.



EPIC WIN :nod:

[SilverDropTop]

take him to small claims court, get your court docket report number and then send it to Judge Alex or Judge Judy. doesnt matter who the judgement is for you'll get your cash, a free trip and a video you can post up on ls1tech of this kid being a loser.



EPIC WIN :nod:

This FTW!

[LTb1ow]

w00tz for small claims court, I wanna come to it. :lol:

[Tru2Chevy]

A video of Judge Judy telling this kid that he's an idiot would be epic.

- Justin

[noboundreez2345]

A video of Judge Judy telling this kid that he's an idiot would be epic.

- Justin

agreed i can hear the spaz spitting out a bs excuse now uuhhh welllll ii thought ummmmm

[Jersey Mike]

You're going to court. Can I watch?

[KirkEvil]

Small claims court date set for July 29th...in NJ.

[Whiplash Performance]

Small claims court date set for July 29th...in NJ.


Sweet!

[LTb1ow]

JSFBOA july meet!

[Frosty]

Judge Judy is the **** lol That would be beyond epic if you were to do that lol

[zuuhlsT/A]

Cracks me up that he has his Mom sticking up for him.... Good luck in court dude. Hope it works out....

[sweetbmxrider]

best of luck bro, hopefully he shows.

[HeadlessNorseman]

Good luck! people like that ruin this hobby and give everyone involved a bad name as far as im concerned. So let him burn

[WildBillyT]

best of luck bro, hopefully he shows.

Agreed!

[NJ Torque]

Warrant will be issued if not?

[NastyEllEssWon]

or a default judgement will be made in kirks favor and the kid will have so many days set by the judge to pay him and the court costs. if he fails to comply a bench warrant will be issued for him. thats my understanding of it

[WildBillyT]

Warrant will be issued if not?

Not sure. But it's an automatic win for the plantiff, usually.

[Frosty]

Warrant will be issued if not?

No, this isn't a criminal matter...just a default judgment like Nasty said.

[Squirrel]

even if he does win thats not a guarantee hes gonna get his money, it just helps

[FlyingDutchman]

Not sure. But it's an automatic win for the plantiff, usually.


Yeah, but i believe you don't get the full amount of money back.

[LTb1ow]

even if he does win thats not a guarantee hes gonna get his money, it just helps

Well then it goes to the next claims court step and they can get his financial stuff and begin o garnish wages etc.

[V]

if he doesn't show to contest it, a judgment is found in your favor, and basically says he owes you you're full amount.

at that point that part of small claims court is done. Then after a few days i think it is or before a certain number of days, you file with the county to have them collect for you. Basically they will issue the judgment in person, or by his local sheriffs office, and he will be told he has certain number of days to make payments. In this step, you add in all court fees, and they will add in their additional fees. Then u just sit back and wait. Every month you should receive a check from the state/county until you total is reached. At that stage is when they can garnish wages or seize property etc.

i sold a car back in 2000 for $800... i got 200 down and trusted him to pay the rest off weekly... he never did so i took him to small claims court for the remaining 600. he didnt show. judgment was in my favor then, and the next day i went to his job and told him. he said he didnt care about what the judge said and he wasnt paying. the following day or so i filed to have the county collect and few weeks later received my first check. i got 3 checks each for 250 about. i got back my 600 plus fees and other stuff. On top of that the checks showed each payment was like 330... and the state/county got like 80 a month for collecting. in the end, he ended up paying about 1200 for the car.

[Mike]

he doesnt have to show up... he just has to have a representative show up. he can hire a nj based lawyer to attend the hearings

[Jersey Mike]

^^ this.
You'll get your money... the real issue now is how long will it take

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/Jsaul83/wssick.jpg?t=1278967802







i got this in a pm today on one of my for sale threads on ls1tech. not sure if i should try to rip him off back or if i should tell him that he can pick them up while he's in town for his court date :nod:

[BonzoHansen]

Add what kirk is owed as 'handling' and you pay kirk!

[sweetbmxrider]

i got this in a pm today on one of my for sale threads on ls1tech. not sure if i should try to rip him off back or if i should tell him that he can pick them up while he's in town for his court date :nod:

actually, if you wanna be really cool you could have him pay in a personal check. that way, you get his account number and kirk can put a stop payment on the account until he gets his monies!

[NastyEllEssWon]

actually, if you wanna be really cool you could have him pay in a personal check. that way, you get his account number and kirk can put a stop payment on the account until he gets his monies!





pm sent :nod: thanks for the idea.


sure ill sell just one. what were you thinking. as for payment options right now my paypal is frozen due to withdrawing the maximum in one month. do you mind paying with a personal check , that would be easiest with my bank as they dont put a hold on checks as they do with cashiers and money order cheques.

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/Jsaul83/wssick2.jpg?t=1278974698




ok secured. now the question is, once i receive the check do i actually have to sell him the item, or can i just photocopy the check for kirk then send the check back to him to refuse payment with a note saying something funny along the lines of ''dont Eff with njfboa'' or something along the lines. is that valid?? :nod::lol::rofl:

[noboundreez2345]

i like where this is going

[KirkEvil]

Wow I forgot about my thread. Thanks for the support from everyone. I really doubt he will show in court but if he does I bet he will be holding his mommy's hand. He hasnt responded to any of my messages for close to a month. V pretty much summed up what should happen after he doesnt show.

Nasty, I dont think theres much I can do with his personal banking info. From what I understand, if I win my case, the courts handle the rest. Im not 100% sure, but I think theres another form I can file that requests his financial info and enables wage garnishing. Im tempted to give you $75 to snap the sideskirt in half and ship it to him in a paper bag.

This kid is to dumb to realize that this is going to **** his credit for the rest of his life.

[transmaro93]

good luck kirk... hope justice is served in your favor... IT SHOULD BE! we should go to the court date and go nuts when kirk wins like he just pulled an OJ or something hahah

[NastyEllEssWon]

Wow I forgot about my thread. Thanks for the support from everyone. I really doubt he will show in court but if he does I bet he will be holding his mommy's hand. He hasnt responded to any of my messages for close to a month. V pretty much summed up what should happen after he doesnt show.

Nasty, I dont think theres much I can do with his personal banking info. From what I understand, if I win my case, the courts handle the rest. Im not 100% sure, but I think theres another form I can file that requests his financial info and enables wage garnishing. Im tempted to give you $75 to snap the sideskirt in half and ship it to him in a paper bag.

This kid is to dumb to realize that this is going to **** his credit for the rest of his life.



lol alright man, i was just trying to give a hand here. but yeah my gf said there isnt much you can do with the info that the courts arent already able to get access to. so ill just send him a pm telling him he can pick up the skirt while he's in town for court :rofl:

[BigAls87Z28]

Once this is over, this could turn into an epic thread of the interwebz!!

For an extra 5 bucks, im willing to take a dump in said bag with the gfx.

[V]

send him the side ground effect from a 3rd gen

[Tru2Chevy]

send him the side ground effect from a 3rd gen

That would be fun.....seeing the response after he tries to install it would be worth chipping in for shipping this.

- Justin

[jims69camaro]

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/Jsaul83/wssick2.jpg?t=1278974698




ok secured. now the question is, once i receive the check do i actually have to sell him the item, or can i just photocopy the check for kirk then send the check back to him to refuse payment with a note saying something funny along the lines of ''dont Eff with njfboa'' or something along the lines. is that valid?? :nod::lol::rofl:

valid, yes. legal? not so much. you don't want this kid learning his lesson from this and then using the exact same tactics against you...

and, the lamest statement i have heard to date: "that since I didnt ask for insurance, I was at fault for the damage." people are constantly and consistently trying to offload responsibility on who ever they think will take it. it is not the buyer's responsibility to ask for insurance. the seller offers it. if the buyer doesn't want to pay, sometimes i do it anyway just to avoid the hassle of things like this thread - and it all comes down to not wanting to pay an extra $0.50. ****ing kids.

[jims69camaro]

send him the side ground effect from a 3rd gen

i have one you can use for this... but, again, not so legal.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

i have one you can use for this... but, again, not so legal.

It was never specified what generation sideskirts, no? :shifty:

[KirkEvil]

valid, yes. legal? not so much. you don't want this kid learning his lesson from this and then using the exact same tactics against you...

and, the lamest statement i have heard to date: "that since I didnt ask for insurance, I was at fault for the damage." people are constantly and consistently trying to offload responsibility on who ever they think will take it. it is not the buyer's responsibility to ask for insurance. the seller offers it. if the buyer doesn't want to pay, sometimes i do it anyway just to avoid the hassle of things like this thread - and it all comes down to not wanting to pay an extra $0.50. ****ing kids.

He and his mother both think he is not responsible for the damage because I never asked for insurance. Regardless of whether there was insurance on it or not, UPS denied the coverage saying HE was at fault. "****ing kids" with dumb-ass parents.

When I ship anything, I see insurance as protection for the shipper, not the buyer. I think this is especially the case for a high value item in a private sale because you cannot replace the part. $0.50 insurance is easy, $2.00 in packing foam is common sense, the logic to put it all together is obviously priceless.

Almost every decent company follows the same procedure of insuring anything of value, because crap like this does happen. I think ebay is the only company that bull****s the buyer with the condition of insurance for coverage.

[BonzoHansen]

insurance doe not cover crap packaging anyway, does it? I'd ask UPS that, could be helpful to know.

[NJ Torque]

insurance doe not cover crap packaging anyway, does it? I'd ask UPS that, could be helpful to know.


It does not. Only if it is packaged by a UPS store.

[Frosty]

It does not. Only if it is packaged by a UPS store.

Right. It'd be helpful to get that in writing from UPS too and maybe even get an opinion from a UPS store employee.

[SteveR]

send him the side ground effect from a 3rd gen

Or cover the skirt in brake fluid so when he puts it on the car it eats the paint off.

[KirkEvil]

Right. It'd be helpful to get that in writing from UPS too and maybe even get an opinion from a UPS store employee.

The kid used a local pharmacy to print a shipping label and I have been in contact with the owner. He faxed me a copy of the letter from UPS denying the coverage. It has a full list of why it was not properly packaged and tips for the future.

[KirkEvil]

Went to court today and won a default. No surprise the little bastard didnt show up. Now I have to file more paper work to prove he's not in the military, and what he owes me, yada yada. Small claims is such a pain in the ass.

Im not buying anything over $100 through forums unless its in person from now on. Its just not worth the hassle. Lesson learned.

[sweetbmxrider]

stick it to that ****

[Frosty]

stick it to that ****

What he said x1000000

[Jersey Mike]

Kirk-
Not necessarily; You could use your credit card for larger purchases

[V]

at least now, youll get ur money, just takes time. and in the future, yes you could avoid larger purchases, but you sometimes may miss out on a real good deal that way. life is about risks, that part sucks.

I used to sell a bunch of stuff all over different forums. Ans my thing was that id always use the same user name, so i could show i was active on many boards and in good standing. If i sold stuff on a forum, id also state i was an ebay user under the same name and they could look at my feedback over there.

On this site, there are several shady sellers whom the original njfboa group and BBQ group know about and are aware of. So its an option on other forums, maybe PM common/repeat users and see if they know anything about a certain seller if you are hesitant. on a board like ls1tech, its too wide spread really but smaller boards it may be worth it. just my 2 cents.

[KirkEvil]

Kirk-
Not necessarily; You could use your credit card for larger purchases

Yeah, but paypal also sucks at doing anything. It seems high value parts tend to be sold by complete retards. Between this and an intake/TB I never pursued like 3 years ago, Ive been scammed out of over $850. Thats enough to have bought all my used parts new. Yes, there are a majority of excellent sellers, but I feel its no longer worth rolling the dice.

[BigAls87Z28]

This thread reminds me....I need to ship TPI Steve my MAF! Damn it! Sorry Steve.

[sweetbmxrider]

i've had a few people pm me about particular sellers and i always give my honest opinion and let them know i'll do anything to help if they do get screwed over. i have been very lucky dealing online.

[Jersey Mike]

Yeah, but paypal also sucks at doing anything. It seems high value parts tend to be sold by complete retards. Between this and an intake/TB I never pursued like 3 years ago, Ive been scammed out of over $850. Thats enough to have bought all my used parts new. Yes, there are a majority of excellent sellers, but I feel its no longer worth rolling the dice.

Chargebacks are a bitch. Bought a double-din online last summer, guy took my money & said the headunit fell out of his hands & broke while he was shipping it & that he was going to try to get it repaired--a week later, communication is next to nothing. Called my card company, explained, and did a chargeback. Voila, money was credited back to me through Visa & paypal got shafted. PayPal then pursued the seller for their money, b/c they weren't about to get shafted in the middle of all this either. In the end, things worked out well & I didn't lose a penny. Take that, scumbag.

[The Fixer]

This thread reminds me....I need to ship TPI Steve my MAF! Damn it! Sorry Steve.

Thanks Al!! Just PM me or message me with your address so I can send you some funds.

[ryanfx]

The moral of the story, pay with your credit card.

[NastyEllEssWon]

yeah ive never had a problem with paypal/credit card buying. i even ran into a few problems last year when the t/a broke the driveshaft and totally forgot to ship a kids seat cover i sold him. he made a paypal dispute and i told paypal what happened and gave him the option to let me ship the covers or refund his money. i ended up refunding him the money and still shipping out the covers anyway. i dont need bad karma :nod:

[KirkEvil]

So, I got some news in an anonymous email...

Chase ends in car crash: 3 hurt (http://www.timesuniononline.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=224&ArticleID=49325)

As much as I think chris woodcox is a piece of ****, I wouldnt wish a high speed car crash on him...maybe a low speed. Anyway it just goes to show how much of an idiot he is.

[FlyingDutchman]

Holy ****! glad hes okay. what goes around comes around? yeah.

[HeadlessNorseman]

dam karma... that is crazy. Good thing he is ok though. Would be a weird feeling/conscience type thing if he got really hurt

[noboundreez2345]

karma comes back and bites you in the ass once again.

[NastyEllEssWon]

yeah ive never had a problem with paypal/credit card buying. i even ran into a few problems last year when the t/a broke the driveshaft and totally forgot to ship a kids seat cover i sold him. he made a paypal dispute and i told paypal what happened and gave him the option to let me ship the covers or refund his money. i ended up refunding him the money and still shipping out the covers anyway. i dont need bad karma :nod:



what goes around comes around :nod: